Jul 15, 2023 Special Council Meeting

UH, JUST A LITTLE REMINDER THAT THIS IS KIND OF A INFORMAL TYPE THING.

AS LONG AS MYSELF, ERIC, AND THREE OR ERIC AND TWO ARE IN THE ROOM, YOU FEEL FREE TO TAKE A BATHROOM BREAK OR WHATEVER YOU NEED.

BUT IF, IF IT COMES TO THE POINT WHERE LESS THAN TWO AND ONE OF US ARE IN HERE, THEN WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE A RECESS.

SO JUST LET US KNOW.

NEXT ITEM BE WORKSHOP I WORKSHOP ITEMS. AND IT IS A DISCUSSION OF THE FISCAL YEAR.

[II. WORKSHOP ITEMS]

UH, THANK YOU FOR EMOTIONAL THIS TIME OF YEARS.

AS YOU GUYS ALL KNOW, DEVELOPED A REALLY NICE CALL.

UH, I DO WANT TO SAY, UH, AGAIN, TO MY APARTMENT DEPARTMENT HEADS, UH, THANK THEM FOR THEIR GRACE.

THEY HAVE BEEN SUPER PATIENT WITH ME.

THEY'RE ALMOST AS MUCH IN THE DARK AS YOU GUYS ARE ON THE MODIFIED NUMBERS.

UH, CAUSE WE WERE, LIKE I SAID, YOU'RE FIGHTING WITH THIS WELL INTO THE, WELL INTO THE NIGHT LAST YEAR.

I WANNA SAY THAT, UH, CLEAR GOV IS GONNA BE GREAT NEXT YEAR.

UH, IT'S A LEARNING PROCESS, I GOTTA SAY, UH, ESPECIALLY, AND I'M GONNA TRY REALLY NICE PROMOTIONAL.

UM, SUPPOSE MY APPRECIATION TO THE LADY ON THE LEFT AND PATIENCE, UH, PUTTING UP WITH MY COCKING ME IDEAS.

AND, UH, SOME OF 'EM I THOUGHT ARE PRETTY GOOD, BUT SHE JUST THINKS UP.

SO YOU KEEP THEM IN MIND.

SHE DOES, SHE DOES A GREAT JOB OF KEEPING US ON YOU.

HOPE YOU MISS NEXT YEAR.

OKAY? EXCUSE ME JUST A SECOND.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE STILL IN YOUR DRAWERS, BUT THERE WAS ONE OF THESE PUT PLACED IN THE DRAWER YEARS AGO.

UH, SO I KNOW EVERYBODY LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS.

IF YOU NEED A BREAK, TAKE IT OUT AND WAVE.

IT'S A STRATEGIC RETREAT, NOT, NOT A, UM, WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID, UH, I'VE PREPARED ABOUT 95 MINUTES WORTH OF REMARKS.

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NO, I'M JUST JOKING.

I DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH TO SAY.

WE DO HAVE QUITE A BIT TO GO THROUGH THOUGH, UH, JOE, THIS BEING YOUR FIRST BUDGET, UH, I'LL KIND OF CUT.

THERE'S A RHYME AND REASON TO HOW WE DO THINGS AND THE FLOW OF FUNDS AND WE'LL, I'LL KIND OF TALK ABOUT THAT IN JUST ONE SECOND.

IN TERMS OF OUR SCHEDULE THIS MORNING, UH, WE WILL BE HANDLING PUBLIC SAFETY, POLICE, FIRE CODE ENFORCEMENT, EMS, UH, FIRST PUBLIC WORKS, SECOND QUALITY OF LIFE.

THIRD, AND THEN THE NO FUND LEAGUE, I MEAN, GENERAL ADMINISTRATION, UH, AT THE VERY END.

AND SO OUR BUDGET IS A SERIES OF AC DIFFERENT BUDGETS THAT OPERATE IN LAYERS.

AND, UH, LET ME KIND OF PUT, THERE'S MAJOR FUNDS AND MICRO FUNDS.

YOUR MAJOR FUND IS YOUR GENERAL FUND.

THAT'S THE ONE WHEN THE STATE TALKS ABOUT THE BUDGET.

THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE REFERRING TO.

UH, THEN WE HAVE OUR ENTERPRISE FUND, UH, SIDEWALK STREETS AND DRAINAGE, WHICH IS OUR CIP FUND.

THAT'S HOW WE FUND OUR GENERAL FUND SIDE PROJECTS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND, HOT FUND, UH, HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX.

AND THEN OUR DEBT SERVICE FUND FOR FUND 400.

THOSE ARE THE KEY MAJOR FUNDS.

AND THEN WE HAVE A BUNCH OF SMALLER FUNDS.

LET ME SEE IF I CAN HAVE A REALLY HARD TIME WITH THIS DUAL MONITOR THING.

THEN THERE ARE MINOR FUNDS THAT BACK UP THOSE MAJOR FUNDS.

SO YOU'VE GOT THE CONSTRUCTION FUNDS, UH, 1 0 1 AND 1 0 5, AND, UH, GENERAL FUND.

AND ANYTIME YOU SEE A GF, THAT'S GENERAL FUND.

ANYTIME YOU SEE AN EF, THAT'S ENTERPRISE FUND.

AND THOSE ARE DEDICATED USE FUNDS.

AND THEN THERE'S A SMALL NUMBER OF DEDICATED PROPRIETARY FUNDS LIKE POLICE FORFEITURE TO KEEP BLUE.

BEAUTIFUL UNEMPLOYMENT THREE 80 PASS THROUGH, UH, THE THREE 80 PASS THROUGH.

IT LOOKS LIKE NOTHING HAPPENS IN THERE EVERY YEAR.

THERE'S JUST ZEROS, BUT THERE'S ACTUALLY A LOT OF ACTIVITY IN THE DETAIL.

SO, UM, WITH THAT, HERE'S KIND OF A ROADMAP TO HOW OUR FUNDS WORK.

AND SO YOU'LL SEE UP HERE, HERE'S OUR GENERAL FUNDS.

HERE'S OUR SIDEWALK STREETS AND DRAINAGE CIP, OUR ENTERPRISE FUND, GTM F ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND, HOT OR C DB FUND.

OUR CONSTRUCTION FUNDS, OUR EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUNDS, WHICH ACT AS A SURROGATE OR SURPLUS TO THE OTHER FUNDS.

AND THEN OUR DEBT SERVICE FUND.

AND THEN THE WAY WE FUND THOSE IS THROUGH REVENUE AND FEES FOR SERVICE.

UH, AND OUR REVENUES ARE MADE UP.

THUSLY PROPERTY TAXES, WHICH GO TO THE DEBT SERVICE FUND, AND THEN DIRECTLY TO THE GENERAL FUND GRANTS, WHICH GO DIRECTLY TO THE GENERAL FUND AND THEN ALSO TO OTHER FUNDS, SOMETIMES LIKE THE SIDEWALKS, MOST NOTABLY IN THIS BUDGET.

THE SIDEWALK STREETS AND DRAINAGE FUND SALES TAX, WHICH IS DIVIDED, UH, REALLY, EXCUSE ME, DIVIDED REALLY THREE WAYS.

IT GOES TO THE GENERAL FUND, BUT IT ALSO, WE HAVE AN APPORTIONMENT UNDER THE CHARTER THAT 40% HAS TO GO TO SIDEWALK STREETS AND DRAINAGE.

AND THEN THERE'S AN APPORTIONMENT TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND.

THE HOT TAX FUND IS VERY, VERY RESTRICTED.

IT HAS TO GO TO, UH, ELIGIBLE PROJECTS, WHICH ARE RUN BY THE C BBB.

AND THEN THAT PASS THROUGH, UH, CAN PASS THROUGH INTO THE GTM F FUND.

AND THEN THERE ARE FEES FOR SERVICE RELATED TO WATER, SEWER, GARBAGE, UH, EMS, ALL OF THOSE FEES ARE OVER HERE.

AND THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE THE GREATEST LEEWAY IN MAKING, UH, MAKING CHANGES HERE.

UH, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT RESTRICTED ON GOING TO THAT IN JUST A SECOND.

UH, AND THEN GRANTS, OBVIOUSLY WE TRY REALLY HARD TO GET GRANTS, BUT IT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN.

UH, SALES TAX IS A FUNCTION OF THE MARKET, AND SO IT'S VARIABLE.

OH, AND THEN HERE'S HOW EVERYTHING KIND OF FLOWS TOGETHER.

IT LOOKS LIKE A BIG BALLS BEGINNING.

SO, UH, YOU BASICALLY HAVE INTER FUND TRANSFERS THAT MAKE UP DIFFERENCES, UH, THAT FLOW BETWEEN THE FUNDS.

UH, SOMETIMES THERE'LL BE MONEY GOING FROM ONE FUND TO ANOTHER FUND, AND THOSE ARE CALLED TRANSFERS, ALTHOUGH SOMETIMES THEY ALSO SHOW UP AS OFFSETS, UH, DEPENDING ON WHERE THE MONEY'S COMING FROM AND WHERE THE MONEY'S GOING TO.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S VERY SIMPLE.

NOT COMPLEX AT ALL.

UH, THIS YEAR, UH, WE'VE HAD A CONTINUING SITUATION WITH OUR FRIENDS IN AUSTIN WHO BELIEVED THAT THEY, UH, KNOW MUCH BETTER THAN THE LOCAL FOLKS DO.

AND THEY HAVE SET A REVENUE CAP THREE CYCLES AGO TO US.

IN THE OLD DAYS, WE HAD WHAT WAS CALLED, I GET REAL EMOTIONAL, WANNA TALK ABOUT THIS TOO.

MY APOLOGIES.

IN THE OLD DAYS, WE HAD A SITUATION WHERE WE CALLED WHAT WAS CALLED THE ROLLBACK TAX, AND THE CITY COULD GO ALL THE WAY OUT TO EIGHT AND A HALF PERCENT.

WE NEVER DID.

UH, BUT THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE BENCHMARK THAT YOU COULD GO TO.

AND IF YOU WENT ABOVE THAT, THEN IT FOR YOU, IF SOMEBODY COULD CALL AN ELECTION THREE YEARS AGO, OR THREE CYCLES AGO, THE COUNCIL OR THE LEGISLATURE GOT TOGETHER AND THEY DECIDED TO IMPLEMENT WHAT'S CALLED THE, UH, VOTER APPROVED TAX RATE.

AND SO WE, UH, WE, I TOOK A LOOK AT WHAT THAT COMPRESSION HAS BEEN TO US IN THESE CYCLES.

AND IT'S THE OPPORTUNITY COST FOR US, BECAUSE TYPICALLY WE WOULD GO LESS THAN THE ROLLBACK, BUT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER THAN THE NO NEW REV, WHAT THEY CALL NO NEW REVENUE.

UH, IT'S BEEN ABOUT $172,000 IN LOST REVENUE PER

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YEAR FOR US, OR COMPRESSED REVENUE FOR US, UH, ADDING.

SO THEY WANTED TO MAKE IT MORE FUN THIS YEAR.

AND SO THEY PASSED A BILL CALLED HB 2127.

YOU PROBABLY HEARD ABOUT IT OR READ ABOUT IT IN THE PAPER CALLED THE DEATH STAR BILL.

AND IT BASICALLY PREEMPTS THE CITY FROM LICENSING ANY INDUSTRY THAT IS REGULATED BY THE STATE OR LICENSED BY THE STATE WITHOUT EXPLICIT APPROVAL OF THE LEGISLATURE.

SO I HAD HOPED TO SEE THIS ADDED TO THE AGENDA OR SOME CLARIFICATION ADDED TO THE AGENDA FOR THE SECOND LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

IT DID NOT HAPPEN THAT PROMPTED THE CITY OF HOUSTON TO FILE A LAWSUIT IN TRAVIS COUNTY SEEKING AN INJUNCTION, OR AT LEAST SOME CLARIFICATION OR AN INJUNCTION UNTIL SOME CLARIFICATION COULD BE BROUGHT.

UH, WHEN I TALKED WITH DR.

KEENAN YESTERDAY AT THE UNIVERSITY OF HOUSTON, WHO IS PART OF THE LEGAL TEAM WORKING ON THIS PROBLEM FOR THE CITY OF HOUSTON, HE INDICATED THAT THEY DID NOT BELIEVE THAT THEY WERE GONNA GET AN INJUNCTION AT THIS TIME.

SO THIS BILL WILL GO INTO EFFECT ON SEPTEMBER ONE, WHICH LEAVES US IN A VERY, VERY AWKWARD SPOT.

UH, WE OBVIOUSLY, THE BILL MAKES IT VERY CLEAR THAT YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO CHARGE ANYTHING THAT WILL PUT AN ECONOMIC BURDEN ON ANYBODY LICENSED BY THE STATE.

SO IF YOU'RE A PLUMBER, ELECTRICIAN, UH, H V A C, WE CAN NO LONGER CHARGE THOSE TRADES A PERMIT FEE OR AN INSPECTION FEE.

CAUSE THAT'S AN ECONOMIC IMPACT.

SO WE'D HAVE TO GIVE OUT PERMITS FOR FREE.

CORRECT, LIKE AN ELECTRICIAN GOING AND DOING ELECTRICAL WORK.

THEY JUST COME AND ASK FOR IT AND WE JUST GIVE IT TO 'EM FOR FREE.

THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THE LAW SAYS.

MEANWHILE, UH, WHAT'S NOT SO CLEAR IS OUR BUILDING PERMITS IN GENERAL ALLOWED TO CONTINUE FORWARD.

WE'RE NOT SURE ABOUT THAT.

WE ARE, WE'VE LEFT THAT REVENUE LINE ITEM IN OUR BUDGET.

BUT DEPENDING ON HOW ALL THIS PLAYS OUT IN THE COURTS, CUZ IT WILL, UH, QUITE FRANKLY, UH, DR.

KEENAN AND THE TEAM FROM HOUSTON BELIEVE IT'S UNCONSTITUTIONAL BASED ON THE HOME RULE PROVISIONS IN THE STATE CONSTITUTION.

BUT GETTING A COURT TO AGREE TO THAT MAY BE VERY DIFFICULT.

SO WE'LL SEE WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING THERE.

BUT WE ARE CHALLENGED IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SEE IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO GENERATE REVENUE OUTSIDE.

AND SO THIS BUDGET DOES CONTINUE.

UH, WELL, LET ME, LET ME HEAR YOU WITH SOME MORE BAD NEWS.

I'M GOING BAD NEWS, CORRECT.

UH, CLOSER TO HOME.

AND THIS IS A FUNCTION OF THE MARKET OH YEAH.

THAT WE DOING.

WE HAVE MORE HOTEL CAPACITY NOW IN OUR REGION THAN WE EVER HAVE BEFORE.

THANKS.

THROUGH SOME INCENTIVIZATIONS BY A ADJOINING JURISDICTION.

UH, IN THE 2018 THINGS WERE GOING REALLY, REALLY WELL.

THE MAJORITY OF THE HOTEL ROOMS IN THE CENTER OF THE COUNTY WERE ALL INCLUDE.

AND WE GENERATED ALMOST $900,000 IN REVENUE.

AND THEN COVID HIT AND WE DROPPED DOWN TO 380, BUT WE KEPT THINKING MAYBE WE'LL START TO PICK BACK UP.

UH, AND LAKE JACKSON BROUGHT, I THINK IT'S THREE OR FOUR NEW HOTELS ONLINE IN THAT TIME.

AND IT, QUITE FRANKLY, JUST SUCKED THE OXYGEN OUT OF THE ROOM IN TERMS OF HOTEL, HOTEL GROWTH.

OUR VENDORS, OUR PARTNERS IN THE HOTELS HAVE CHANGED THEIR MODEL, UH, TO REFLECT A, A, A WEAKER MARKET AND ARE LOOKING FOR LONGER TERM STAYS.

AND SO IF YOU STAY IN A HOTEL ROOM PAST 30 DAYS, IT'S NO LONGER A HOTEL STAY.

YOU BASICALLY ARE A RESIDENT.

AND SO WE HAVE NOW FOUR HOTELS THAT ARE ALLOWING, EXTEND AND STAY BEYOND THAT.

SO OUR HOT, OUR HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX REVENUE HAS DROPPED BY HALF.

UH, WE PROJECTED TO BE ABOUT $410,000 IN THE COMING YEARS BUDGET.

UH, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE RECOVERED FROM THAT, QUITE FRANKLY.

UH, THAT HAS A KNOCK ON EFFECT IN OUR ABILITY TO FUND OTHER AGENCIES AND OTHER ACTIVITIES.

UH, WE'LL GET INTO THAT WHEN WE GET INTO THE HOT FUNDS A LITTLE BIT LATER.

UH, BUT IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH MY COLLEAGUES, UH, FROM THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON, WHEN I ASKED IF THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WERE GONNA BE ABLE, WHEN WE HAVE THESE DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR PARTNERS, IF WE HAVE THOSE DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS, ARE YOU GONNA BE ABLE TO HELP PICK UP THE SLACK? AND THEIR ANSWER IS NO, BECAUSE THEIR INCENTIVIZATION PACKAGES ARE TIED INTO, THEY'RE PAYING A DIRECT PAYBACK TO THESE OTHER HOTELS TO REDUCE THEIR DEBT.

MEANWHILE, TWO OF THOSE HOTELS HAVE LIKEWISE TAKEN ON A 30 DAY OR EXTENDED STAY MODEL.

SO THERE'S NO REVENUE THERE TO REPAY TO PAY BACK THE HOT TAX LOAN THAT THEY SAID THEY GOT TO INCENTIVIZE THEIR LOCATION THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

SO IT'S A VERY, VERY, UH, TENUOUS SITUATION.

UH, IT'S NOT A LOT OF FUN, BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE REALITY AS IT SETS.

AND SO TO OFFSET THAT, UH, WE'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT HOW WE FUNCTION.

AND THEN OF COURSE, THE SAME TIME THAT THE COMPRESSION CAME ON WITH THE PROPERTY TAX, WE ENDED UP WITH, I THINK IT WAS 9.2% INFLATION, ONE YEAR, 6.3% INFLATION.

THE NEXT YEAR WE HAVE SEEN SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES, EVERYTHING AS A RESULT OF THE PANDEMIC, WHICH HAS PUSHED PROJECT COSTS OUT.

SO IF YOU RECALL, WE BOUGHT A TANKER TRUCK IN 2022.

MIKE AND I MET WITH OUR VENDOR ON WEDNESDAY.

AND WHAT WAS THEIR ANSWER? ANYBODY WANNA TAKE A GUESS?

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ANYBODY? WE'RE GONNA TAKE A LIBERTY APRIL OF NEXT YEAR, SO, WOW.

YEAH, YEAH.

I'M NOT GONNA HOLD MY BREATH.

NO.

OH, WE PLEASE DON'T.

, WE'RE GONNA GET A TRUCK.

IT MAY NOT BE THAT FAR.

UH, SO LIKEWISE, WE'VE SEEN IT PROJECT COSTS THAT HAVE LAGGED, UH, YOU KNOW, GOT THE GRANT FOR HAZMAT IN 2020.

WE STARTED THAT PROJECT OFF.

IT'S MOVED VERY, VERY SLOWLY.

WE JUST ARE IN THE FINAL PHASES OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW RIGHT NOW.

UH, I HAD NO IDEA THAT WE HAD A NATIVE AMERICAN, ANCIENT PRE-COLUMBIAN, NATIVE AMERICAN SITE ALONG ONE OF THE, YEAH, IT'S IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

YOU'RE, YOU'RE, IF YOU GUYS HAVE LIKE SOME POLTER GAS ACTIVITY GOING ON, , I CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY WHY.

UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAD SOME CEMETERY ISSUES.

WE THINK WE'VE GOT THOSE WORKED OUT NOW WITH THE, THE STATE HISTORICAL COMMISSION.

AND, UH, SO WE'RE LOOKING TO MOVE FORWARD.

BUT, UH, THE COST FOR THAT PROJECT HAVE GONE UP, OR THE PROJECTED COST FOR THOSE PROJECTS HAVE GONE UP SIGNIFICANTLY, WHICH HAS IN TURN DELAYED OUR ABILITY TO FORECAST THE CIP, UH, AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

SO, UH, I SAY THAT ALL TO SAY THAT WE, WE HAVE SOME CHALLENGES AND WE ARE LOOKING TO OVERCOME THOSE CHALLENGES.

UH, WE'RE EXACTLY IS IT.

NOW I WANT TO KNOW WELL, SO ACCORDING TO THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION, IT'S ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, SOUTHEAST SOUTHWEST CORNER OF LAKE BEND AND RUNS FOR APPROXIMATELY 500 FEET BACK TOWARDS THE TOP OF THE ROAD.

HOWEVER, I WAS TALKING TO OUR LOCAL HISTORICAL GROUP, AND THEY'RE SAYING THAT IT ACTUALLY WAS LOCATED CLOSER TO OYSTER CREEK, UH, UP ON THE LAKE JACKSON SIDE OF THE LINE AND EXTENDS DOWN ABOUT 700 FEET INTO THE KROGER PROPERTY.

SO, UH, THE IRONIC PART IS IT'S PERFECTLY FINE TO BUILD OVER IT.

AND THAT'S WHAT THE LADY FROM THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION TOLD US, BUILD OVER IT IF YOU WANT TO.

AND I SAID, WELL, WE'RE DIGGING DITCHES.

AND SHE SAID, WELL, THAT'S A PROBLEM.

SO YOU CAN, CAN'T DIG THEM UP, BUT YOU CAN LAY STUFF ON TOP OF THEM.

SO, UH, WE'LL SEE HOW THAT GOES.

WE, WE THINK THAT WE'VE GOT THAT ALL CLEARED UP, HOPEFULLY NOT ON WOOD.

SO WE'LL SEE HOW THAT GOES.

UM, SO WITH THAT ENVIRONMENTAL WORK, WITH THE DESIGN WORK THAT HAS TO TAKE PLACE, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY A EARLY, MAYBE LATE 2024, EARLY 2025 START CONSTRUCTION ON THE HAZMAT PROJECTS.

TAKE ONE AS WE EXPECTED.

UH, AS, AS WE EXPLAINED, WE'RE LOOKING AT APRIL, 2024.

WE HAVE BUDGETED FOR THE MARION STREET GENERATOR ALL THE WAY BACK IN 2021.

AND WE HOPE TO BRING THAT THAT'S IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.

UH, AND THEN WE HAVE BEEN WAITING ON, UH, A BREAKER FOR THE NEW GENERATOR AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO COMPLETE THAT PROJECT.

AND IT'S BEEN TWO WEEKS, EIGHT WEEKS AGO.

SO HOPEFULLY THIS WEEK IT'LL, IT'LL SHOW UP.

UH, AND THEN THE GENERATOR FOR THE SERVICE CENTER.

WE'RE LOOKING AT 50 WEEKS ON DELIVERY AFTER WE MAKE THE ORDER.

AT, UH, AT THE SERVICE CENTER.

THE GOOD NEWS IS, IS, UH, WE ARE, I, I LEFT THE CHILLER PROJECT OFF OF HERE, BUT WE WE'RE UNDERWAY.

THERE WE'RE, WE'VE STARTED THE CLOCK.

SO, AND I THINK WE'RE 48 WEEKS NOW.

UH, IN ORDER TO OFFSET THE REVENUE, UH, IN SOME CAPACITY WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, WE'VE BEEN, THIS BUDGET DOES INCLUDE SOME INCREASES TO COST THE PIECE FOR SERVICE THAT INCLUDES WATER, THE WASTEWATER, GARBAGE, EMS, UH, AND THEN THE ADOPTION OF VTR, WHICH IS THE, THE 3.5% INCREASE, UH, IN OVERALL REGIMEN.

SO, UM, IF YOU GUYS WANNA THROW STUFF AT ME, NOW'S THE TIME TO DO THAT.

OR YOU CAN WAIT TILL LATER AND THROW STUFF AT ME IN PRIVATE, THAT'S GOOD TOO.

UH, BUT THOSE, AND WE'LL GET INTO WHAT THOSE, WHAT THOSE LOOK LIKE, UH, AS WE GO THROUGH THE FUNDS.

UH, IT IS ALL NOT DOING LUKE, UH, WITH THE COMPLETION OF THE PARTS MASTER PLAN, THE LOUISVILLE CENTERS PLAN, THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN, OR WASTEWATER WATER WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN, WHICH WE HOPE TO HAVE DONE BEFORE THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR.

WE'VE POSITIONED OURSELVES, UH, FOR MORE GRANT AND FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES FROM THE FEDERAL AND THE STATE GOVERNMENT.

AND THE GOOD NEWS IS, IS THEY BUSTED OUT THE CHECKBOOK THE PAST TWO YEARS IN TERMS OF INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS.

SO WE THINK WE MIGHT HAVE A SHOT SOME OF THOSE.

UH, AND WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU VERY AGGRESSIVE, HAVE BEEN VERY AGGRESSIVE, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO BE VERY AGGRESSIVE TO GO INTO THAT.

UH, AND THEN WHILE EVERYBODY IS COMPLAINED ABOUT THEIR APPRAISALS GOING UP, AND RIGHTFULLY SO, UH, SIMILAR NUMBERS WERE SEEN BY BSF DOW AND THE FOLKS IN THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, THEY'RE FIGHTING THEM, BUT THEY'RE NOT HAVING, I DON'T THINK, AS MUCH SUCCESS AS THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD HAVE.

SO OUR NUMBERS THIS YEAR CAME IN $200,000 HIGHER THAN WE ANTICIPATED, UH, IN BUDGETED FOR LAST YEAR.

SO THAT WAS A VERY PLEASANT SURPRISE.

WE THINK WE'RE GONNA SEE CONTINUED GROWTH ON THAT, ON, ON THAT RATE.

AND SO, UH, THIS BUDGET DOES INCLUDE SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, IDA MONEY.

THAT AGREEMENT IS UP FOR NEGOTIATION.

UH, IN 2026.

UH, WE HAVE POSITIONED OURSELVES IN A MANNER WHICH WE THINK IS CONDUCIVE TO, UH, ENSURING LONG TERM, UH, REVENUE STREAM FROM

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THEM.

I DON'T KNOW, UH, WHAT THEIR STOMACH IS FOR TRYING TO CONTINUE.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT THEY HAVE 3, 4, 4 LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS IN A ROW SOUGHT TO BE ABLE TO DE ANNEX THEMSELVES FROM THE TGA TO PARTITION THEMSELVES FROM THE E PETITION THEMSELVES FROM ETJ.

AND EVERY TIME THE LEGISLATOR, THANK GOD HAS, HAS STOOD UP AND SAID, NO, WE'LL EXCISE THE RESIDENCE AND PRIVATE RESIDENTS FROM, AND THEY CAN OPT OUT OF AN TJ, BUT IF YOU'RE AN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, THEY PASSED YOU AN TJ, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE ANNEX YOURSELF.

SO THANK GOD FOR THAT.

UH, LET'S JUST HOPE THEY KEEP COMING THE LINE THERE.

WHAT THIS BUDGET DOES IMPROVE IN TERMS OF, UH, OPERATING EXPENDITURES IS A TWO AND HALF PERCENT, UH, INCREASE FOR EXEMPT, EXCLUDING MYSELF THREE AND A HALF FOR NON-EXEMPT STAFF.

WE WOULD LIKE TO DO A ONE TIME PROPOSED ADJUSTMENT TO LONGEVITY TO TRY AND KEEP UP.

UH, LET ME JUST EXPLAIN KIND OF WHY WE'RE DOING THOSE TWO THINGS.

LAKE JACKSON HAS SET ASIDE A 3, 4, 5 COLA FOR THEIR STAFF PLUS MERIT.

PREPORT FOLLOWED SUIT.

RICHWOOD IS HOLDING STEADY FOR NOW AT THREE AND A HALF PERCENT.

ANGLETON IS STILL EVALUATING, BUT WE KNOW IN THE LOCAL MARKET WE'RE GONNA BE FACING SOME PRETTY STIFF COMPETITION.

AND IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING, I'M AFRAID WE'LL LOSE.

UH, WE DO.

IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THAT NUMBER, UH, THOSE NUMBERS, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DELAYING THE OPENING, THE, UH, FILLING OF OPEN POSITIONS FOR A PERIOD.

AND THAT'S ALL.

THOSE ARE NON FIRST RESPONDER POSITIONS.

THE FIRST RESPONDER POSITIONS WOULD BE FILLED ON DAY ONE.

UH, SO THAT'S HOW THAT WOULD GO.

UH, WE GOT GREAT NEWS YESTERDAY.

THAT NUMBER FOR HEALTH INSURANCE WAS 18%.

WHEN THE SLIDE PROJECT SLIDESHOW STARTED, WE GOT IT DOWN TO 5% PER ANN, WHICH WE'RE VERY, VERY EXCITED ABOUT.

UH, AND THEN THE DIFFERENTIAL, UH, THIS IS, THIS INCLUDES ONCE WE SEE THE, THE NUMBERS, UH, $215,000 IN INTERNAL REIMBURSEMENT TO FUND OH FIVE.

SO THAT'S MONEY GOING BACK INTO THE, WE TAKE MONEY OUT OF EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT, AND THEN WE PAY THAT BACK AT 10% A YEAR TO COVER THE AMORTIZATION ON THOSE VEHICLES OR EQUIPMENT.

UH, THIS CONTINUES OUR CURRENT OBLIGATIONS UNDER THE SIDEWALK STREETS AND DRAINAGE C IP PROJECTS, UH, THE COMPLETION OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AT THE PARK, AND FS ONE AND THE GENERATOR INSTALLATION AT THE MARION AT THE SERVICE CENTER OF MARION GST.

NO NEW PROJECTS ON TOP OF THOSE, THOUGH.

WE HAVE SCALED THOSE BACK.

UH, HERE WE GO.

CAPITAL EXPENDITURES, UH, WE DO INCLUDE A PROP, POTENTIAL PROPERTY ACQUISITION, OR MAYBE MORE THAN ONE BY THE EDC.

UH, THAT WAS DISCUSSED WITH THEM EARLIER THIS WEEK.

WATER SEWER LINE IMPROVEMENTS THROUGHOUT, INCLUDING THE NEXT PHASE IN THE BRIAN SUBDIVISION PROJECT.

AND THEN WE PAIRED BACK, EXCUSE ME, THE REQUEST FOR, UH, VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT.

UH, WE ARE DOWN TO, WE HAVE TWO AMBULANCES THAT ARE FUNCTIONING.

WE HAVE ONE THAT CANNOT BE LICENSED OR APPROVED BY THE STATE.

IF WE HAVE TWO, WE HAVE ONE.

IF WE HAVE THREE, WE HAVE TWO AS THE OLD SAYING GOES.

AND SO WE HAVE INCLUDED THAT IN HERE, INCLUDING THE OUTFITTING.

UH, WE HAVE ONE SILOED COMMERCIAL, UH, SOLID WASTE VEHICLE THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.

IF YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN A CHANCE TO GO BY AND SEE THE WELDING JOB THAT JOHN AND HIS GUYS DID ON THE SIDE OF THAT, PRETTY AMAZING TRYING TO KEEP THE ONE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE INTACT, BUT IT LITERALLY HAS FILLED OFF THE SIDE TWICE.

UH, TWO PATROL UNITS, AND THEN ONE SIX INCH DIESEL PUMP THAT KEEPS US ON PACE.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ASKED, I CAN TELL YOU THAT PUBLIC WORKS ASKED FOR A LOT MORE.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE POLICE ASKED FOR A LOT MORE AND WE PAIRED ALL THOSE BACK TRYING TO KEEP IT AT ABSOLUTE NEED.

AND SO THIS IS WHAT IT, IT LOOKS LIKE.

UH, AS YOU'LL RECALL, THIS YEAR IN OUR CURRENT, IN OUR CURRENT FUND PROJECTIONS, UH, WE'D ANTICIPATED ABOUT 11 MILLION IN REVENUE.

WE'RE A LITTLE BIT ABOVE WHAT WE ANTICIPATED, UH, BASED ON THE, UH, ID EIGHT.

WE ARE A LITTLE BIT ABOVE, UH, OUR NET EXPENDITURES.

UH, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT ABOVE, BUT WE'RE A LITTLE BIT BELOW, UH, THE DRAW.

WE HAVE STILL NOT DRAWN THE FUNDS, UH, AND PAID FOR THE MORTGAGE AT KROGER.

WE WILL BE MEETING WITH THOSE FOLKS THIS WEEK TO SEE IF WE CAN'T COME TO AN AMICABLE SOLUTION TO OUR ISSUE, UH, AT SHIFFLETT'S WAY, WE WOULD PREFER NOT TO HAVE THAT BIG FIGHT WITH THEM.

SO, UH, BUT IF YOU TAKE A LOOK HERE GOING INTO FISCAL YEAR, UH, 2024, YOU CAN SEE WE'VE SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED OVERALL EXPENDITURES.

AND THE DRAW HERE AGAIN, IS THAT TWO 15 PLUS PART OF THE COLA INCREASE, WHICH WE THINK IS MANAGEABLE.

WE STILL END WITH THE FUND BALANCE OF 4.2 MILLION, WHICH IS STILL EXCEEDS OUR, OUR BASIC, UH, BASIC OPERATING PRINCIPLES ON OUR INVESTMENT POLICY.

UH, IF YOU RECALL, TWO YEARS AGO, WE TALKED ABOUT DRAWING DOWN THE GENERAL FUND CONSTRUCTION FUND OR MERGING IT INTO THE, THE GENERAL FUND.

WE CONTINUE TO MAKE DRAWS THIS 4 95 RIGHT HERE.

THAT IS THE CHILLER PROJECT.

IF YOU RECALL, ORIGINALLY WE HAD BUDGETED 225 FOR THAT AND ANOTHER 125 FOR THE GENERATORS

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AND WE GOT OUR NUMBER BACK.

AND IT WAS A LITTLE BIT, WELL, IT WAS A LOT, BIT HIGHER THAN WE EXPECTED.

SO UNEMPLOYMENT IS UNEMPLOYMENT, UH, KEEP PLEA BEAUTIFUL.

UH, WE, THE NEGATIVE NUMBER THERE IS TRANSFERS IN FOR INTEREST.

UH, POLICE FORFEITURE FUND IS BASICALLY, UH, WHERE IT'S AT.

UH, GENERAL FUND EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT AGAIN, SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE OUTFLOW AND THE INFLOW.

UH, ONCE WE GET INTO THAT BUDGET, WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHERE THAT SHOWS UP.

BUT THIS YEAR WE PROJECT 736,000 GOING OUT AND ABOUT 215 TO 221 BACK IN ON GENERAL FUND SIDE THREE 80.

AGAIN, IT LOOKS LIKE MUCH OF ZEROS, BUT THERE IS STUFF HAPPENING IN THERE, WE PROMISE.

UH, THAT'S HOW WE FUND THOSE, UH, REBATE AGREEMENTS FOR BASICALLY EVERYTHING, BUT IT'S A TRANSFER AND A DIRECT TRANSFER OUT.

HOT C B, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE GOTTEN PRETTY RADICAL ON OUR CUTS.

UH, AND WARREN AND I MET YESTERDAY TO TRY AND TALK ABOUT MAYBE TRYING TO CUT BACK FURTHER TO GET BACK TO BALANCE.

UH, WE HAVE A HEALTHY FUND BALANCE RIGHT NOW, BUT WITH THE LACK OF REVENUE COMING IN, UH, WE'VE GOTTA MAKE SOME CHANGES.

THAT'S VERY, VERY EVIDENT.

UH, AND THEN SIDEWALK STREETS AND DRAINAGE.

THIS IS YOUR C I P YOU'LL SEE WE BUDGETED HERE.

WE WERE GONNA BE VERY AGGRESSIVE ON PROJECTS AND THAT KIND OF HIT A WALL.

SO WE HAVE, UH, WE EXPECT TO FINISH THE YEAR AT NOT EVEN A THIRD OF WHAT WE ANTICIPATED SPENDING.

WE ARE SHIFTING THAT MONEY OVER HERE AND THE HOPES THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO MORE THIS NEXT YEAR.

UM, BUT WE'LL SEE HOW THINGS GO.

, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, UH, AGAIN, UH, VERY AGGRESSIVE, TRYING TO TEAR DOWN COSTS, UH, TRYING TO, UH, GET THAT UNDER CONTROL STILL WITH A VERY HEALTHY FINISHING YEAR.

THE VERY HEALTHY FUND BALANCE.

UH, CURRENTLY SPEAKING, UH, WE'RE PROJECTING, UH, OUR COSTS.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR REVENUES ARE GONNA BE FOR THIS YEAR, SO THAT IS A ROUGH GUESSTIMATE.

UM, WE DID BUY THE INSURANCE AND WE'RE HOPING IT PAY OFF AGAIN.

SO WE'LL KEEP PUTTING THE, KEEP PUTTING OUR CHIPS ON THE TABLE THERE.

WHAT'S THE TEMPERATURE THIS TIME THAT WE'RE GOING FOR? UM, WHAT'S THE TEMPERATURE THIS TIME? I'M SORRY, WHAT? WHAT'S THE BASELINE? TEMPERATURE? 1 0 6.

1 0 6.

HE'S A CAPE.

IS THAT HEATING? IS THAT LIKE, FEELS LIKE TEMPERATURE.

THAT'S YOUR EXPECTED EXPENDITURE.

MY GOD.

SEE THAT? WE WERE, THAT'S FINE.

WE SHOULD CALL ABOUT THERE.

SO THIS IS WHERE YOU FI OH, HOLD UP.

THIS IS WHERE YOU FINISHED LAST YEAR.

THIS IS, THIS IS YOUR EXPECTED REVENUE.

SO THESE NUMBERS ARE GONNA CHANGE.

WE KNOW THAT I THINK REVENUE WAS OVER EXPENSES LAST YEAR, RIGHT? THAT'S HOW YOU GOT TO THERE BECAUSE YOU WERE IN THE RED GOING INTO THE YEAR, THE YEAR PRIOR.

GOOD FRIENDS NEXT DOOR WHEN THEY'RE GONNA GIVE THEIR OWN SEWER PLANT AND THEY KEEP KIND OF DEMURRING FROM THAT ANSWER.

DEBT FUND, UH, DEBT SERVICE FUND.

UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE ALSO ENDED THE YEAR LAST YEAR, PROJECTED THE YEAR TO CATCH UP.

WE WILL BE CATCHING THAT UP THIS YEAR.

THE BUDGET AMENDMENT, UH, TO PUT US THERE.

AND WE ANTICIPATE $362,000 IN DEBT SERVICE.

I GOT THAT PHONE TURNED TO ALMOST COMPLETELY .

FORGOT LAST NIGHT.

WE HAD A DEADLINE YESTERDAY TO GET THAT INTO THE COUNTY.

SO IT'S IN, UH, GOOD NEWS.

UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, OVERALL, UH, THE, THE BULK OF THE PROJECTED, UH, DRAWDOWN OF FUNDS IS RELATED TO OUR, UH, SIDEWALK STREETS AND DRAINAGE.

UH, I WILL TALK ABOUT, UH, AS WE GO INTO OUR NEXT CHARTER AMENDMENT ELECTION, CHANGING SOME OF THE LANGUAGE IN THERE BECAUSE THE LANGUAGE IN THE CHARTER SEEMS TO THINK THAT WE'RE GONNA BE BUILDING NEW ROADS AND NEW STREETS AND NEW DRAINAGE ADD INFIN ITEM.

AND OF COURSE, WE'RE LANDLOCKED.

SO WE PHRASE THAT TO ALLOW, TO ALLOW FOR SOME MAINTENANCE COST TO BE INCLUDED IN THERE.

UM, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE DOING A LOT OF REDEVELOPMENT, BUT IT DOESN'T, THE LANGUAGE IS IFFY ON WHETHER OR NOT THAT THAT CAN BE USED FOR REDEVELOPMENT ON THE WATER SIDE.

UH, WE'RE AS AGAIN PROPOSED PROPOSING AN INCREASE IN WATER RATES, UH, SEWER RATES RIGHT NOW.

UH, WE HAVE BUDGETED A $1 MILLION, UH, DRAWDOWN OF FUNDS.

WE THINK WE'RE GONNA FINISH WITH HALF THAT.

AND NEXT YEAR WE'RE ACTUALLY PROJECTING A LITTLE BIT OF RESIDUAL, UH, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A LONG TIME, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT PUTS US IN A POSITION THAT WE WILL NOW BE ABLE TO START THINKING ABOUT LAYING OUT DEBT FOR A NEW WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY, OR AN EXPANDED WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY THAT WE WILL NEED TO START WORKING ON PROBABLY NEXT YEAR AS WE BRING THE FINAL GROUPS, FINAL SECTIONS OF WOOD SHORE COLLEGE PARK, AND THEN A POTENTIAL WOOD SHORE OR COLLEGE PARK EXPANSION, UH, ONLINE.

SO, UH, WE'VE HIT THE NUMBER A COUPLE OF TIMES, UH, THROUGH THE MAGIC OF MATH AND DATES AND TIMES.

WE'VE STAYED BELOW THE NUMBER.

BUT THE RULE IS, IS AT 60%, YOU'VE GOTTA START THINKING ABOUT IT AT 70%.

YOU'VE GOTTA START SETTING ASIDE FUNDS AT 80%.

YOU BETTER BE PLANNING AND GETTING READY TO GO UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

AND SO WE'RE, I KEEP ASKING OUR

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SO, UM, IF THEY CONTINUE TO GROW AT THE RATE THAT THEY'RE GOING AND WE CONTINUE GROWING AT THE RATE WE'RE GOING IN A SHARED FACILITY, WE'RE GONNA BE THERE REALLY, REALLY QUICKLY.

UH, OVERALL YOU CAN SEE CONSTANT STILL, EVEN WITH THE CHANGES AND WITH THE DRAWS, UH, FROM CONSTRUCTION, UH, A VERY, VERY HEALTHY FUND BALANCE, UH, BETWEEN BOTH, UH, BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT FUNDS.

LET ME GO BACK UP THE GOVERNMENT FUNDS AND, OH, HEY, LOOK AT THAT.

HE FINISHED THE PRESENTATION.

DIDN'T KNOW.

UH, I DO THAT.

OH, LEMME GO.

OH, HEALTHY FUND BALANCE.

AND, UH, WITH THAT SAID, UH, UM, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE OR IF YOU GUYS ARE READY TO DIVE INTO THE ACTUAL PROCESS ITSELF, WE CAN DO THAT BEFORE I CAN SHOW YOU THIS VIDEO, WHICH IS, UH, WHICH WAS A LOT OF FUNDRAISING.

WHAT THEY JUST PASSED THE, THE NEW CAPS AND STUFF ON ALL THE YES.

IS THAT HOW BAD THAT GONNA HURT? WE DON'T KNOW YET.

UM, THE VERSION PASSED BY THE HOUSE.

WILL THEY, WILL THAT START SEPTEMBER ONE OR WILL IT START A YEAR FROM NOW? NO, .

UH, WORSE THAN THAT.

IT IS RETROACTIVE.

SO, UH, WELL, WE'LL WE'LL SEE IS AN ADJUSTMENT TO TAX BILLS BEGINNING SEPTEMBER ONE OR OCTOBER ONE, DEPENDING ON THE DATE THEY FIND.

THE SENATE HAS IT ON OCTOBER ONE, THE HOUSE HAS IT ON SEPTEMBER ONE.

SO THE NEW EXEMPTIONS WILL GO INTO EFFECT RETROACTIVELY.

AND SO THAT, UH, THAT'S ANOTHER, ANOTHER FUND HIT.

UH, WE'RE NOT SURE HOW THAT'S GONNA GET MADE UP.

ALLEGEDLY THE STATE IS GOING TO COVER THAT COST FOR US THIS YEAR.

SUPPOSEDLY.

MAYBE IT'LL COME OUTTA THE RAIN TODAY.

FUN, HUH? YEAH.

SO THE HITS KEEP COMING FROM OUR DEAR FRIENDS OVER THERE.

UH, IT'S A LOT OF FUN.

I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE DAY THAT WE HAVE TO PICK UP THE PHONE AND ASK PERMISSION TO ISSUE A BUILDING PERMIT.

SO, DO YOU GUYS WANT SOME LEVITY OR DO WE WANNA JUST DIVE INTO ALL THE, LET'S DIVE, LET'S DIVE.

ALRIGHT.

AND WE GO.

LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE DRAGGING.

SO THIS IS THE, UH, THIS IS THE GENERAL FUND AS IT STANDS TODAY.

UM, AS I SAID, WE BEGAN OUR PROCESS, UH, BACK AT THE END OF MAY.

THIS NUMBER RIGHT HERE WAS ABOUT 15 MILLION.

WE PAIRED IT BACK SIGNIFICANTLY FROM THERE.

UH, AND THIS, THIS IS BASICALLY, UH, IN SUMMARY OF WHAT YOU SAW ON THE OTHER SCREEN JUST A MINUTE AGO.

UH, NOW WE'LL DIVE OFF INTO THE DETAILS.

CHIEF, YOU WANNA COME? SO RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT ABOUT A POSSIBLE $350,000 CUSHION.

THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE DRAW.

AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A, AS I SAID, THAT 215 OF THAT GOES BACK TO OURSELVES.

UM, AND THEN THE REMAINDER IS, IS THE, WHICH WE CAN ADJUST ON THE FLIGHT IF WE NEED TO SEE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER.

SO, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT IS OUR LARGEST EXPENDITURE AS IT IS EVERY YEAR.

WE'RE GONNA GO INTO D DETAIL HERE.

MAN, THAT IS REALLY HARD TO READ.

HOLD ON AT ABOUT A THREE AND A HALF PERCENT INCREASE THAT IS DUE IN LARGE PART TO THE, UH, THE REMAINDER.

I WONDER IF THERE'S A WAY, CAN YOU GUYS SEE THAT OKAY ON YOUR SCREENS? MM-HMM.

OKAY, GOOD.

SO, UH, PART OF THE FUND OF CLEAR GO WAS GETTING THE SALARIES AND PERSONNEL COSTS FIGURED OUT AND MERGED.

WE HAD BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT.

UH, AND SO THIS REFLECTS THE SALARIES, THE OVERTIME, UH, THE LONGEVITY.

AT ONE POINT WE WERE GONNA HAVE THOSE IN SEPARATE LINE ITEMS AS A GUESSTIMATE, BUT, UH, WE GOT THAT WORKING LATE YESTERDAY EVENING.

UM, SO VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT.

UH, WHERE WOULD YOU GUYS LIKE TO START IN TERMS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT? UH, THIS FIGURE OVER HERE REPRESENTS THE CHANGE IN EXPENDITURES.

UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE

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UH, THE BENEFITS PUT DOWN JUST A TOUCH.

UM, THE SUPPLIES ARE UP A FAIR AMOUNT, TRIED TO OFFSET THAT, UH, WITH THE, UH, TRIED TO OFFSET THAT WITH, UH, REDUCTIONS IN OTHER AREAS, UH, ESPECIALLY MAINTENANCE AS WE'VE PULLED TWO OF OUR CORE PROBLEM UNITS OFF THE LINE.

THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A LINE ITEM THAT WAS, UH, 600% INCREASE.

CAN YOU GO BACK? HOLD ON JUST ONE SECOND.

DID I SEE THAT CORRECTLY? WAS THAT IN PD? OH YES.

SIX OH, EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT.

REPLACEMENT, YES.

THEY DID NOT BUY POLICE CARS LAST YEAR.

AND THAT'S WHAT THIS REFLECTS.

SO IF YOU DIVE IN HERE TO CAPITAL LA BE THERE REAL QUICK.

YOU HAD TWO UNITS AT 90 1001 82.

THAT IS OFFSET BY THIS TRANSFER IN FROM FUND 1 0 6 AND THAT PAYMENT BACK OUT.

UH, AND SO LET ME PULL, HOLD ON HERE.

THROWING ME OFF.

I CAN'T, I CAN'T SEE WHAT, OH, SORRY.

HOLD ON.

THIS IS THE BREAKOUT OF THE TRANS OR THE VEHICLES AND THE TRANSFER.

WELL, A LITTLE AGGRESSIVE.

TOO AGGRESSIVE.

THIS IS THE BREAKOUT ON THE VEHICLES REQUESTED.

THE CAPITAL FUND VEHICLES, THESE ARE THE POLICE, UH, REQUESTS.

THIS IS THE TRANSFER IN FROM FUND 1 0 6 AND THE PAYMENT OUT.

SO YOU'LL SEE, UH, WE'RE STILL PAYING ON CARS FROM TWO YEARS AGO.

THEY HAD NO VEHICLES LAST YEAR, WHICH IS WHAT RESULTED IN THE, UH, THE BROAD INCREASE HERE IN THIS LINE ITEM.

DUNNO, HOW, HOW MANY VEHICLES DO WE HAVE? AND HOW OLD ARE EACH ONE OF 'EM? CURRENTLY WE HAVE, I BELIEVE, 14 VEHICLES OF CONTROL VEHICLES.

UM, THEY VARY IN AGE FROM TWO YEARS OLD TO SEVEN YEARS OLD.

HOW, HOW LONG DO WE USUALLY KEEP 'EM? CAUSE I KNOW LEASE CAR, PROBABLY GUESSING WE DRIVE 'EM UNTIL THE WHEELS FALL OFF.

WHICH ISN'T SAFE.

UM, MANY OF THEM ARE OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND MILES.

I START SEND PROGRESS.

WERE PRETTY, UH, ON THE VEHICLES.

UH, SO, SO THAT YOU'RE AWARE, UM, WHERE WE'RE AT AND WHAT WAS ACTUALLY REQUESTED.

I ACTUALLY REQUESTED, UH, SIX, UH, NO, SORRY, SEVEN CONTROL VEHICLES.

UM, AND, AND ANIMAL CONTROL TRUCK AS WELL IS HIS TRUCK.

AND WE'RE NOT, THE ANIMAL CONTROL TRUCK IS, IS JUST A PICKUP TRUCK.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET THE FULLY OUTFITTED AIR CONDITION TYPE THING.

IT'S JUST A TRUCK.

AND UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE DOWN TO, UH, JUST, UM, TWO, TWO PATROL VEHICLES.

UM, JOHN'S GUYS, UM, HAVE BECOME PROS AT DUCT TAPE AND BOGO AND, UM, WE DO OUR BEST WITH THEM IN MAINTAINING THEM.

UM, WE HAVE GOTTEN THE FLEET BIGGER SO THAT THEY'RE NOT BEING HOT SEATED AS MUCH, BUT JUST AS THEY GO DOWN, IT CAUSES THAT TO HAPPEN A LOT OF TIMES.

UM, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A DANCE.

DO I HAVE LIKE AN ASSIGNED UNIT PER OFFICER? DO THEY SHARE WITH IT? IT ONE OR SOME OF 'EM ARE ASSIGNED? SOME OF 'EM ARE SHARED.

IT JUST DEPENDS.

WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FOR EVERYBODY TO HAVE ONE ASSIGNED.

WHAT WE LEARNED OVER THE YEARS IS THAT WHEN THEY'RE ASSIGNED, THEY GET TAKEN BETTER CARE OF.

CAUSE WE CAN HOLD THEM RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.

PLUS THEY HAVE SOME OWNERSHIP IN THOSE VEHICLES, BUT WE'RE JUST, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TO HAVE THEM SIGN.

AND THEN WHEN THEY GO DOWN, THEY'RE THEN SHARING AND, AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.

AND I'M SURE AT ONE POINT THEY'RE RUNNING FOR 48 HOURS STRAIGHT PROBABLY AT, AT TIMES.

CONVERSATIONS TO WHERE I'VE EXPRESSED SOME FRUSTRATIONS AND WHERE MONEY GOES AT TIMES.

IT'S, UH, LIKE I SAID, WE DID NOT ASK FOR ANY LAST YEAR.

UM, AND UM, SO WE NEEDED SOME REPLACEMENT.

UM, I'VE, CJ AND I HAVE HAD SOME

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UM, BUT IT, UH, IT IS WHAT IT'S, WE, I MEAN WE, WE, WE'LL CONTINUE TO, TO MAKE, DO AND MAKE THE BEST THAT WE CAN WITH WHAT WE HAVE.

I MEAN, I KNOW WE'VE GOT A, A LIMITED AMOUNT OF MONEY.

THEY'RE LIKE, SO THEY'RE LIKE 60 SOMETHING THOUSAND DOLLARS A PIECE ONCE YOU GET 'EM COMPLETELY OUTFITTED.

THEY, THEY'RE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, ONCE, ONCE YOU PUT ALL THE 18 YEARS AGO, I THINK WE WERE PAYING ABOUT 18 GRAND.

WELL I THINK RIGHT NOW JUST, JUST THE TAHOE IS WHAT, 50? YEAH, THE TAHOE 50 ITSELF IS AROUND 50.

AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT OPTIONS THIS YEAR AS TO ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO STAY WITH TAHOES? ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT EITHER THE BOARDS OR THE DODGES? I'VE TRIED MY BEST JUST UNIFORM WISE.

I LIKE THE LOOK OF EVERY, ALL OF THEM BEING THE SAME.

PLUS IT MAKES IT A LITTLE EASIER FOR JOHN'S FOLKS TO ONLY HAVE TO ORDER CHEVROLET EQUIPMENT, BUT CHEVROLET'S NOT MAKING THE AMOUNT OF VEHICLES THAT THEY WERE LAST TIME, UH, TWO YEARS AGO WHEN WE GOT THE ONES WE DID, I HAD TO WILL AND DEAL WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS, UM, THAT WERE GETTING, YOU KNOW, 30 AND 40 AND ASK THEM, HEY, CAN YOU GIVE UP TWO, GET THIS DEPARTMENT TO GIVE UP TWO FOR US JUST TO GET THE FIVE THAT WE GOT TWO YEARS AGO.

AND WE MET YESTERDAY, UH, THE CITY MANAGERS ASSOCIATION MET WITH ENTERPRISE FLEET MANAGEMENT, TALK ABOUT THEIR PROGRAMMING.

THEY'RE THE LARGEST PROCUREMENT FOR GOVERNMENT VEHICLES IN THE UNITED STATES.

AND BASICALLY WHAT THEY TOLD US, AND THEY HAD THE GM, A LETTER FROM GM BASICALLY EXPLAINING THAT THEY HAD CUT THEIR POLICE INTERCEPTOR PROGRAM IN HALF THIS YEAR BASED ON CHASSIS AVAILABILITY.

SO WHERE THERE WAS 6,000 ON THE MARKET LAST YEAR, THERE'S 3000 ON THE MARKET THIS YEAR.

UH, THEY USED TO HAVE A SIX WEEK ORDER WINDOW AND THAT'S CLOSED ONE AND A HALF DAYS.

YOU HAVE 18 HOUR.

YEAH, 36 HOURS ONCE THEY TELL YOU IT'S OPEN TO PLACE YOUR ORDERS.

UM, AND SO, UH, WHAT'S ODD, AND I HADN'T REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT IT UNTIL WE WERE TEXTING BACK AND FORTH WITH THE MEETING YESTERDAY, IS DODGE HAS NO LIMIT ON ORDERS OR AVAILABILITY.

WE'VE HAD MIXED, WELL I WOULDN'T SAY MIXED, WE'VE HAD PRETTY NEGATIVE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CHARGERS, BUT THEY'RE OFFERING A DURANGO INTERCEPTOR PACKAGE.

SO, UM, WE'RE HAVING TO TAKE A LOOK AT, AT THOSE OPTIONS AS WELL.

I THE SPEAK OF THE SUPPLY CHAIN SHORTAGE OR THE SHORTAGE OF, UH, ADEQUATE SCOTT SQUAD CARS.

CITY MARK HAS BEEN WAITING NOW FOR ALMOST TWO AND A HALF YEARS ON AN ORDER PLACED, UH, DIRECTLY WITH GM.

SO WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR ALMOST A YEAR TO GET ORDERS.

BASICALLY WHAT I DID LAST TIME, AS SOON AS KIND OF THE BUDGET WAS BLESSED, I WENT AHEAD AND ORDERED THEM ON GOOD FAITH AND THEY LET ME ORDER THEM KNOWING THAT I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PAY FOR THEM UNTIL OCTOBER.

BUT EXCEPT THAT WE HAD TO ACTUALLY GO PICK 'EM UP.

DO WE, WE WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET.

OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY THE IS, IS ALL THE UNCERTAINTY THAT'S AT THE STATE CAPITAL RIGHT NOW.

CHIEF, HAVE YOU REACHED OUT TO LAKE JACKSON TO SEE HOW THEIR DURANGOS ARE HOLDING UP? CAUSE I'VE HEARD KIND OF MIXED REVIEWS ON THE DODGES.

YEAH, I, I, I'VE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE WILL STAY WITH SUVS.

WE'RE NOT GONNA THE CHARGER, IT'S JUST NOT OPTION.

WELL, I THINK THEY GOT THE DURANGOS DOWN TOO, BUT THEY DO HAVE DURANGOS, UH, RICHWOOD HAS GOTTEN THE FORDS AS WELL AS LAKE JACKSON.

AND AGAIN, IT'S JUST MIXED AS TO, UM, HOW, HOW THEY DO WELL.

I MEAN, IT MAKES MORE SENSE FOR US TO TRY TO KEEP 'EM ALL UNIFORM AS FAR AS MAINTENANCE AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.

SO I MEAN, YEAH, WELL WITH, WITH TWO, I DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE AS MUCH OF AN ISSUE.

IF, YOU KNOW, SEVEN, I PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO DO SOME MORE WILLING AND DEALING IF I, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, ONE TIME YEARS AGO WE BOUGHT A CHARGER AS A, UH, TRAFFIC CONTROLLED VEHICLE.

AND I THINK IT WAS TROUBLE FROM DAY ONE TILL TILL DAY GOT RID OF.

YEAH, IT WAS, IT WAS HERE WHEN I GOT HERE AND I COULDN'T GET RID OF IT QUICK ENOUGH.

SO GOT SOME ELECTRICAL ISSUES.

HOW, HOW DID WE END UP WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, CHIEF ASKED FOR SEVEN AND HE'S ONLY GONNA GET TWO.

I MEAN, THAT WAS JUST MONEY.

IT IS JUST, IT'S BASICALLY DOWN MONEY.

MONEY AND JUST TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING DOWN TO A MANAGEABLE NUMBER IN THE, UH, IN THE, IN THE DRAW DOWN OF RESERVES.

UM, LOOKING AT, WE CAN GO BACK OVER HERE.

THIS INCLUDES THE REQUEST.

UH, NOW I'VE NOT GOTTEN HIS PATROL UNITS, UH, FROM THE TOTAL, BUT EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT HAD MADE REQUESTS THAT HAVE SOLID WASTE, HAD A SIGNIFICANT NEED.

AND WE HAD TO FOCUS ON WHAT WAS PRIMARILY THE MOST IMPORTANT VEHICLE TO GET IN ORDER TO BALANCE THE DRAW BETWEEN THE DRAW FROM EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT AND THE, AND THE PAYBACK.

SO I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT ONE

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I MEAN, WE DON'T KNOW.

WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GONNA TAKE, TAKE MORE FROM US.

AND ADDING, ADDING THESE TWO VEHICLES, ARE YOU PLANNING ON GETTING RID OF ONE OR TWO OR WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, OKAY.

WE GOT, WELL WE'VE GOT ONE THAT YOU'ALL DON'T NEED TO PUT ON AUCTION THE OTHER DAY.

WE GOT JUST ONE MORE THAT JUST, I MEAN WE, WE HAVE LITERALLY, LIKE I SAID, I CAN'T GIVE JOHN'S FOCUS ON THE CREDIT.

WE PUT IN NEW ENGINES.

WE'VE REPLACED COMPLETE ENGINES, UH, TO KEEP THE UNITS GOING, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.

UM, YOU KNOW, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO, TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO, TO MAKE, MAKE THAT MONEY.

HOW MUCH DO THE, THE AUCTION TAHOES END UP KIND OF GOING FOR? NOT MUCH.

IT DEPENDS ON THE DOLLAR.

UH, ESPECIALLY THESE BECAUSE OF THE MILEAGE THAT WHEN WE SEND THEM OFF, CAN WE GET A PRINTOUT OF THAT, THE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW? SURE.

QUICK QUESTION.

I KNOW YOU, I UNDERSTAND THE HOT SEAT AND THE ASSIGNING AND THE THINGS AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.

NOT TO POKE THE BEAR, BUT HOW MANY OFFICERS TAKE CARS HOME? THE, THE WAY THAT, IS THAT THE ASSIGNMENT DEAL? OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? THE WAY, THE WAY THAT WE'RE DOING THE TAKE ON, WE KNOW THE, UH, ONLY THE LIEUTENANT TAKES HIS HOME FULL TIME.

EVERYBODY ELSE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY IF THEY LIVE WITHIN 15 MILES TO TAKE IT HOME ON THEIR SETS.

SO LIKE THE FOLKS THAT ARE WORKING THIS WEEKEND, THEY COME IN ON FRIDAY, THEY'VE GOTTA BE BACK IN 12 HOURS, THEY CAN TAKE IT HOME.

IT JUST KEEPS THEM FROM HAVING TO TRANSITION THOSE TYPE OF THINGS AND THEN BRING IT BACK.

IT'S JUST A, A LITTLE INCENTIVE FOR THEM.

THE THING I'LL TELL YOU IS, YOU KNOW, NUMBER ONE, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, OUR PRIMARY THING IS NOT TO GENERATE REVENUE, IT'S TO STOP THE BEHAVIOR AND IF WARNINGS DO THAT.

BUT THEY ONLY TAKE IT ON, ON THEIR SETS, NOT ON.

I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW THAT WORKED.

SO IF THEY WERE OFF, WHERE WAS IT? CORRECT.

IF WHEN THEY'RE OFF, THEY, THEY DON'T TAKE THEM OFF.

SO I GUESS, UH, MY BIG QUESTIONS ARE MOVING ON FROM THE VEHICLES IS HOW MANY, UH, HOW MANY OFFICERS IF WE CAN SEE THAT? I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT WOULD BE AT.

I GUESS SALARIES.

SALARIES.

HOW MANY OFFICERS DO WE HAVE ON STAFF? HOW MANY OFFICERS DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD HAVE? AND HOW MANY OFFICERS ARE WE ACTUALLY ADDING THIS YEAR? SO, SO, SO JUST AS FAR AS POKING THE BEAR, YOU'RE DEFINITELY, UH, HIT THE RIGHT SPOTS THERE.

UM, THE, THE, THE WHERE, WHERE WE'RE AT, UM, SPECIFICALLY YOU FROM WHAT Y'ALL SEE IS, WHICH IS THE PATROL OFFICERS ON A DAILY, YOU KNOW, DAILY BASIS FULL STAFF, WE WOULD HAVE 18 PATROL OFFICERS.

CURRENTLY WE ARE SHORT TWO OFFICERS.

UM, THOSE TWO SHORTAGES ARE, ARE CHOICE.

UM, AT THIS POINT, I WILL TELL YOU I'VE GOT ONE THAT I AM PRETTY CERTAIN WILL BE HIRED BY B I S D B S D HAS SIX OPENINGS, UM, FOR, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY, BUT THE OTHER SIDE OF IT IS FOR HER, SHE'S A SINGLE MOM AND IT'S THE HOURS FOR THE MOST PART.

MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, I DO HAVE ANOTHER OFFICER THAT IS LOOKING AT GOING TO TEXAS CITY, LAKE CITY AREA.

UM, AND THAT'S JUST BECAUSE THAT'S THE, HE'S FROM THE, UM, WE'VE DONE THE, THE PAY PAY SCALE THAT WAS VOTED ON A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND GOT US MORE COMPETITIVE WITH EVERYBODY ELSE.

WE'RE MAINTAINING OUR OFFICERS NOW.

UM, I WILL TELL YOU I ASKED, OH YES, YES SIR.

I ASKED FOR SIX OFFICERS THIS YEAR.

UM, WE WE'RE RUNNING INTO IS WE ARE TO, TO KIND OF EXPLAIN HOW IT WORKS IS WE HAVE A MINIMUM STAFFING OF THREE AND A LOT OF TIMES THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT IS, IS THREE ON THE STREET.

THAT'S A SERGEANT AND TWO OR SERGEANT TWO OR A CORPORAL TWO.

AND SO IT TAKES ONE PERSON CALLING IN SICK AND NOW WE'VE GOTTA CALL SOMEBODY OUT OVER TIME.

OR WHEN WE DO GET FURTHER STAFFED WHERE WE HAVE FOUR ON THE STREETS, IF WE HAVE ONE OFF IN TRAINING, BECAUSE WE'RE MANDATED.

AND, AND I'M A FULL BELIEVER IN TRAINING.

WE HAVE ONE OFF IN TRAINING IF SOMEBODY CALLS AND SICK.

NOW AGAIN, SOMEBODY GETS CALLED IN ON THEIR DAYS OFF.

UM, NOT, YOU KNOW, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSIONS AS TO THE AMOUNT OF CITATIONS THAT ARE WRITTEN.

AND UM, THE,

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BUT I'LL TELL YOU, AS FAR AS MY FOLKS, I'VE GOTTA DEFEND THEM FOR A LITTLE BIT.

I RAN THE NUMBERS YESTERDAY IN THE PAST FOUR YEARS, WE'RE AVERAGING 524 HOURS OF OVERTIME A MONTH.

UM, THAT ON AVERAGE IS AT SOMEWHERE IN THE NUMBER OF 25 TO 30 HOURS OF OLD TIME PER OFFICER THAT THEY'RE NOT GETTING THEIR DAYS OFF.

THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GETTING CALLED IN.

UM, IT IS JUST GETTING HARDER.

WE, THE PAST TWO DAYS WE'VE HAD INMATES HAVE TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL, WHICH WE'VE HAD TO CALL PEOPLE IN TO GO AND SIT ON THEM AT THE HOSPITAL.

UH, JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE ON THE STREETS TO SEND SOMEBODY.

SO NOW WE'VE GOTTA CALL SOMEBODY IN FOR THOSE TYPE OF OVERTIME.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A HARD ENOUGH JOB, UM, ESPECIALLY IN WHERE THE SOCIETY WE KIND OF LIVE IN TODAY.

AND, UH, WE ARE, WE'RE JUST ASKING A LOT OF THEM.

BUT ULTIMATELY, I I, WE HAD THE DISCUSSION, UM, THE, WE HAD A SWEARING THE END AT AND UM, STEVE'S, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WHO WAS IN LAKE JACKSON FOR YEARS, AND THAT WAS WITH US.

SHE ASKED ME, SHE SAYS, HOW MANY DO YOU HAVE ON THE STREETS? AND I SAID, WELL, TODAY WE'VE GOT THREE.

AND SHE SAID, WELL, I CAN REMEMBER BEING HERE 25 YEARS AGO AND Y'ALL HAD THREE THAT, THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION.

HOW LONG HAS THAT BEEN THE MINIMUM? I CAN TELL, I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE, IN MY EIGHT YEARS WE HAVE, WE HAVE ADDED JAIL POSITIONS TO KIND OF HELP FROM PATROL JUST CUZ IT IS CHEAPER.

UM, BUT WE HAVE NOT ADDED AN OFFICER POSITION IN EIGHT YEARS AND OUR POPULATION HAS GROWN OR WELL, AND, AND SO THAT IS, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN IT COMES INTO, WE'VE ADDED POSITIONS IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS BECAUSE OF POPULATION GROWTH, BUSINESS GROWTH, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.

UM, WE'VE, IF YOU'VE LOOK AT WOOD SHORE AND COLLEGE PARK ALONE, THE NUMBER OF NEW RESIDENCES THAT ARE THERE AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE, IF YOU AVERAGE FOUR, YOU KNOW, I KNOW OUR POPULATION FROM, UM, THE CENSUS DOESN'T SHOW POPULATION GROWTH HERE, BUT I THINK THAT WAS DONE DURING COVID AND I DON'T THINK IT'S AN ACCURATE NUMBER, BUT IT IS, IT, LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, MY MY EXPLANATION IS SOMETIMES YOU DO TOO GOOD OF A JOB WITH WHAT YOU HAVE.

AND I, I WILL GIVE MY FOLKS CREDIT FOR THAT.

WE, THEY WORK HARD AND UH, AND UH, I THINK AS FAR AS OUR CRIME RATES AND OUR THINGS THAT HAPPENED AND EVERYTHING YESTERDAY, UM, OUR REP WITH, WITH THE TASK FORCE, THEY RAN A WARRANT, UH, OVER ON FOURTH STREET K STREET AND GOT OVER 700 PILLS OF FENTANYL YESTERDAY.

SO THEY'RE THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE WORKING HARD.

UM, WELL ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD PLANNED WAS WITH ALL THE INCREASE IN OUR, IN OUR POPULATION AND OUR, AND OUR PAY WAS, WAS THAT WE WERE GONNA TAKE THE INCREASES FROM THAT AND PUT IT TOWARDS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

WELL, THE STATE'S TAKEN IT AWAY FROM US EVERY YEAR.

SO I MEAN, WHEN YOU STOP AND CONSIDER THAT IT COST PROBABLY 150 TO $180,000 A YEAR TO ADD ONE OFFICER TIME.

YOU PAY THE SALARY BENEFITS AND EVERYTHING AND THE STATE TAKES AWAY $180,000 EVERY YEAR FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

WE COULD HAVE HAD FIVE OFFICERS AT IT.

IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT'S HARD FOR THE OFFICERS.

AND I, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS, AGAIN, I I GIVE THEM CREDIT FOR STAYING MOTIVATED.

UM, WHERE I, I, CJ AND I HAVE HAD THE DISCUSSION OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE HARD PART FOR MY FOLKS IS THEY DRIVE AROUND TOWN AND AND THEY SEE EVERYTHING AND THEY DON'T ALWAYS UNDERSTAND THAT NEW SIDEWALKS GOING IN IS GRANT MONEY.

IT'S NOT THAT MONEY, BUT THEY SEE MONEY BEING SPENT IN OTHER PLACES AND WONDER YEAH.

YOU KNOW, WHERE WITH OUR PART, AND I HAVE TO, AND I EXPLAIN THAT TO 'EM AND THEY UNDERSTAND.

UM, BUT IT, IT, IT IS WHAT IT IS.

IT, WE JUST, WE JUST GOTTA KEEP DOING WHAT THEY DO.

AND, AND AGAIN, I I'LL GIVE MY FOLKS CREDIT FOR THAT.

SO YOU SAID YOU ASKED FOR SEVEN OR SIX? SIX AND HOW MANY ARE WE ADDING? NO, NONE .

WELL,

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WE, WELL WE, WE HAD MOVED A DETECTIVE POSITION AND SO WE ARE ON JANUARY 1ST MOVING THAT DETECTIVE POSITION WE HAD BORROWED FROM PATROL.

SO WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

BUT IT, IT'S STILL THE SA YOU STILL HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF EMPLOYEES OVER THERE.

YOU'RE JUST KIND OF MOVING SOME THE STRUCTURE AROUND A LITTLE BIT.

IT, IT GIVES ME ONE EXTRA DETECTIVE, BUT BASICALLY WE'RE WE'RE, WE HAD A PART-TIME DETECTIVE THAT WILL NOW BE MOVED TO A FULL-TIME DETECTIVE.

BUT AS FAR AS PATROL GOES, IT'S, IT'S THE SAME.

I SAW THE, UH, IN THE ORIGINAL NOTES THAT THERE WAS A HIRING FREEZE OR MM-HMM.

PLAINTIFF TO STAY AT CURRENT STAFF.

NOW THAT THOSE POSITIONS THAT ARE VACANT ARE BUDGETED, CORRECT.

THE POSITIONS THAT ARE VACANT ARE BUDGETED.

SO AND SO THE FIRST RESPONDER POSITIONS THE MEDIC POSITION THAT'S OPEN THEN 2%.

SO IF WE'RE THREE SHARP, IF WE'RE THREE SHARP, THOSE THREE PEOPLE ARE IN THE BUDGET.

THEY'RE OKAY.

WE JUST GOTTA GET APPLICANTS NOW.

WE JUST GOTTA, WE JUST GOTTA FIND SOME BODIES, SO WE GOTTA WELL, AND AND I'LL TELL YOU AGAIN, I I, I CAN'T APPLAUD MY, MY PEOPLE ENOUGH.

WE, OUR INTERVIEW PROCESS STARTS WITH THEM.

UH, THEIR FIRST INTERVIEW A PROSPECTIVE APPLICANT SITS ON IS WITH THE PATROL OFFICERS.

THEY'VE GOTTA GO THROUGH THEM BEFORE THEY GET TO ME.

AND THEY HAVE TOLD ME WE WOULD RATHER WORK SHORTHANDED THAN JUST HAVE A WARM BODY THAT'S NOT GONNA HANDLE THINGS.

AND WE'VE, WE'VE PASSED ON SOME PEOPLE THAT OTHER DEPARTMENTS HAVE PICKED UP AND IT'S BLOWN MY MIND THAT OTHER DEPARTMENTS, UH, BUT IT, IT'S, IT'S NOTHING DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER THING THAN QUALITY OF APPLICANTS AND HAVE HAS GONE DOWN.

WE'VE, UM, I HATE TO SAY THAT, BUT THAT'S NATIONWIDE.

EVERY, EVERY INDUSTRY ABSOLUTE YES.

ABSOLUTELY.

WE, I MEAN, BUT WE, WE JUST REFUSE, WE, WE'VE CAUGHT, UH, APPLICANTS LYING ON THEIR, UH, APPLICATIONS AND WE JUST WILL NOT, THAT'S AN AUTOMATIC DISQUALIFIER I'LL OUT.

YOU, WE HAD AN APPLICANT THAT, AND I'LL GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR BEING HONEST, BUT HE WAS A MARIJUANA USER AND HAD STOPPED SIX MONTHS AGO.

AND WE JUST DECIDED THAT NO, WE NEED TO PASS.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, UM, SO I MEAN, WE, LIKE I SAID, WE, WE JUST REFUSE TO JUST PUT WARM BODIES WITH THE, WITH THE ATMOSPHERE THE WAY IT IS IN OUR, IN OUR NATION TODAY.

ARE, ARE THE ACADEMIES SEEN MORE APPLICANTS OR IS IT IT WAS CLASS.

THEY, I CAN TELL YOU SO, UM, THE, THE NEW ACADEMY, I MEAN, I KNOW AT ONE TIME NOBODY, NO, YOU COULDN'T, YOU COULDN'T MAKE ANYBODY WANNA BE A POLICE OFFICER.

AND THE, THE NEW ACADEMY ACTUALLY STARTED THURSDAY HERE LOCALLY.

UH, THEY'VE GOT 12 IN THE DAY ACADEMY, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A PRETTY DECENT NUMBER FOR THEM.

UM, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN THE APPLICANTS HAVE THE QUALITY OF, BECAUSE THE DIFFERENCE IN POLICE ACADEMIES NOW IS ANYBODY, IF YOU MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS AND YOU PAY THE MONEY, YOU CAN GO YEAH.

USED TO, YOU HAD TO BE SPONSORED BY SOMEBODY TO GET INTO AN ACADEMY.

AND HONESTLY, THERE'S JUST THE, THE QUALITY OF EVEN THE CADETS HAS, HAS GONE DOWN, BUT THERE'S FOUR OF US THAT TEACH AT THE ACADEMY, AND WE USE THAT AS A MAJOR RECRUITING TOOL, UH, WITH THAT.

AND WE START TALKING UP, NOT JUST OUR DEPARTMENT, BUT HONESTLY WE START PICKING THE ONES THAT WE REALLY WANT TO PUSH WHILE WE'RE TEACHING.

SO, OKAY.

I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.

DO THIS AS WELL, ESPECIALLY UH, EMS IS THAT THEY EITHER SELL BACK 40 HOURS OF VACATION BECAUSE THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE THEM OR UNFORTUNATELY THEY LOSE THEM.

I, I HEARD YOU SAY A WHILE AGO THAT THERE WAS LIKE 500 AND SOMETHING HOURS WORTH OF OVERTIME.

IS THAT DUE TO WORKLOAD OR SHORTAGE OF PEOPLE? IT, FOR THE MOST PART IT'S, IT'S SHORTAGE.

UM, JUST AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I, I HAVE, AND I'M PROBABLY TAKING UP MORE TIME THAN Y'ALL WANT, BUT TO BE COMPLETELY ON THE 500, I, I REALLY BELIEVE THAT NUMBER IS LOW IN THAT YOU'VE GOTTA REMEMBER THAT IF DURING THAT TWO WEEK PAY PERIOD, IF THEY HAPPEN TO HAVE TAKEN A DAY OFF, OR IF THEY HAD BEEN SICK AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PAY PERIOD AND GOT CALLED IN THAT DOESN'T, THAT WASHES OUT SO THEY DON'T GET OVERTIME HOURS FOR THAT CUZ THEY'VE GOTTA WORK A HARD 80 HOURS.

SO I THINK THAT 500 A MONTH IS ACTUALLY LOW CUZ THERE'S A LOT OF TIME THAT THEY JUST DON'T GET THE OVERTIME HOURS BECAUSE THEY HAD TAKEN A DAY OFF HERE OR SOMETHING.

AND UH, A LOT OF, UH, MY OFFICERS END UP AT THE END OF WHEN ON THEIR, UH, DATE AND IT'S JUST NOT ME.

I KNOW OTHER DEPARTMENTS

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AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS IS, YOU KNOW, AND I CAN'T FIGHT MY GUYS FOR IT, IS I DON'T WANT TO TAKE VACATION IF I KNOW I'M GOING TO LOSE OVERTIME.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A DANCE THERE AS FAR AS THOSE HOURS GO.

SO THE 500 IS WHAT IS ACTUALLY ON THE BOOKS.

I THINK THEY PROBABLY WORK WELL OVER THAT JUST BECAUSE AGAIN, IF THEY CALLED IN SICK OR TOOK A DAY OFF AND THEY GET CALLED IN ANOTHER DAY, THEY DON'T GET OVERTIME FOR IT.

AND I UNDERSTAND IT CAUSE I'M DEALING WITH THE EXACT SAME THING.

A SMALLER SCALE.

OF COURSE I GOT GUYS THAT HADN'T HAD A DAY OUT, A TOTAL DAY OFF WHERE THEIR PHONE COULDN'T RING FOR SIX MONTHS.

THEY TRYING TO HIRE HELP.

BUT MY, BUT I, I'M THE ONE THAT HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, I DID, I'VE ASKED ABOUT, BUT I'VE HEARD FROM OTHER THINGS ABOUT CITATIONS.

SO, BUT MY QUESTION IS, I, THEY WORK, I I, I'M A CONFUSING DISCUSSION BECAUSE WORKING AND HOURS AT WORK TO ME ARE NOT THE SAME THING.

BUT I KNOW THAT'S HOW THE WORKFORCE SEES IT.

SO ONCE AGAIN, MY QUESTION IS, IT SAYS LOT OF THIS TIME CUZ THEY'VE GOT THAT MUCH WORK, BUT IN ACTUALITY IT'S CUZ WE'RE THAT SHORTHAND IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WHEN YOU'RE ONLY WORKING WITH THREE ON THE STREETS AND YOU START CATCHING REPORTS, RIGHT.

NUMBER ONE, YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TO GET OUT AND WORK TRAFFIC.

THE OTHER TIME IS SOMETIMES IF YOU CATCH THAT REPORT AT FIVE 30, YOU MAY NOT GET DONE UNTIL 6 30, 7 O'CLOCK WITH THAT REPORT.

SO THAT DOES ADD SOME OVERTIME IN THERE AS WELL.

SO IT'S A COMBINATION OF THE WORK PLUS THE OTHER THING, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT SOME SHIFTS THAT HONESTLY ARE LIKE, SAY ON THIS WEEKEND, THEY WILL, I, I GIVE 'EM CREDIT AGAIN.

THEY WILL PLAN AHEAD AND GO, OKAY, IF SOMEBODY CALLS IN SICK, I'VE GOT FRIDAY, YOU'VE GOT SATURDAY AND YOU'VE GOT SUNDAY.

THAT WAY THEY CAN AT LEAST PLAN THEIR DAYS OFF VERSUS SITTING AT HOME AND JUST WONDERING, DO I GET CALLED IN TODAY? SO YEAH.

CAN I HAVE A BEER OR NOT? YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY MY, IT DOES COME INTO PLAY.

WELL YEAH, I THAT AND JUST, YOU KNOW, THINGS WITH FAMILIES THAT, THOSE TYPE THINGS.

CAN I TAKE MY FAMILY TO THE MOVIE? CAN I TAKE MY FAMILY TO EAT? YEAH.

CHIEF WITH, WITH THAT AMOUNT OF HOURS IN OVERTIME, DO YOU KNOW AROUND HOW MUCH WE PAY IN OVERTIME? SO, UH, WE'RE ON TRACK THIS YEAR TO PAY ABOUT 350, 350.

UH, AND WHEN AND WITH THE AMOUNT OF OVERTIME THAT WE PAY, I MEAN, DON'T YOU THINK THAT WE COULD HIRE WELL, YEAH.

YES AND NO.

YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE OVERTIME GENERATED AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS IF YOU HAVE ONE, YOU HAVE NONE.

IF YOU HAVE TWO, YOU HAVE ONE.

SO YOU'RE IN A POSITION WHERE IF WE ADD ONE OFFICER, WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO ADD TWO AND POSSIBLY THREE.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TRYING TO DO SOME SWING SHIFT STUFF IF WE WERE GONNA ADD OFFICERS TO MAKE THAT WORK.

UM, SO NOW YOU'VE COMPOUNDED, AGAIN, THE COST ABOVE WHAT THE OVERTIME COST IS JUST TO YEAH, WE, WE STARTED LOOKING AT, AGAIN, 12 HOUR SHIFTS CAME OUT OF MEAT BECAUSE IT'S THE LEAST AMOUNT OF PEOPLE YOU'VE GOT TO COVER THE STREETS.

AND UM, I I I, ME PERSONALLY, I HATE 12 HOUR SHIFTS.

I THINK THEY'RE UNHEALTHY FOR THE OFFICERS.

BUT IT, IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S WHERE YOU CAN DO MORE WITH LESS.

AND SO WE'VE STARTED LOOKING AT SOME POTENTIALS OF OUR SHIFTS OR SIX TO SIX OF MAYBE MOVING SOMEBODY TO A TWO TO TWO TYPE SHIFT TO KIND OF COVER THAT FIVE TO SEVEN AREA WHERE THEY CAN MAYBE GET OFF ON TIME AND, AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF.

SO IT'S UH, WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVES, I HAD TO DO THAT.

I THINK, I THINK WHEN, 18 YEARS AGO, I THINK WE WERE WORKING THREE EIGHT HOUR SHIFTS, I THINK 18 YEARS AGO.

EIGHT, EIGHT HOURS, EIGHT HOUR SHIFTS TAKE THE LEAST.

I MEAN TAKE THE SECOND LEAST THEN TWELVES, UM, AND THEN TENS, WHICH REALLY IS THE MOST PRODUCTIVE THEY'VE FOUND.

BUT IT TAKES JUST WAY TOO MANY PEOPLE.

IT TAKES FOUR TIMES AS MANY PEOPLE .

WELL, JUST A KIND OF A RELATED, UNRELATED QUESTION.

HOW MUCH COVID ARE WE SEEING NOW? CAUSE IF SOMEBODY TESTS POSITIVE FOR COVID, THEY GOTTA BE OFF LIKE FIVE DAYS, DON'T THEY? WE DON'T SEE ANY, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY ELSE GETS TESTED ANYMORE.

OKAY, LET'S

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WAIT.

I, I, I'LL, I'LL BE, I MEAN MY GUYS ON A REGULAR BASIS COME TO COME TO WORK SICK.

UM, AND WE DON'T ASK DON'T TELL.

BASICALLY.

YEAH, BECAUSE PROTOCOL IS, IF THEY, IF THEY HAVE A POSITIVE TEST, IT'S FIVE DAYS MINIMUM, RIGHT? YES.

, THAT'S WHAT THEY SAY.

THAT'S WHAT THEY SAY.

WE'VE BEEN RUNNING OFF OF BACK DURING THE HEIGHT, WE WERE RUNNING OFF OF TWO DAYS WHEN THOSE SYMPTOMS BASICALLY.

AND WE, WELL, I KNOW WHEN THEY WERE, I KNOW WHEN THEY WERE TESTED, WE WERE LIKE MAYBE ONE PERSON ON THE STREET.

WE WERE, IT WAS JUST 24 HOUR DAY, 24 HOURS.

NO FEAR.

THAT'S ARE, WE DON'T ASK.

WELL, IT'S NOT GONNA GET ANY CHEAPER OR EASIER.

THERE'S NO DOUBT YOU THAT'S THE, THAT'S ALL WE ALL KNOW.

HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY, LIKE I SAID, THEY'LL, THE PEOPLE IN AUSTIN WILL FINALLY GET THEIR HEAD HALFWAY STRAIGHT THAT WE CAN, WE CAN DO WHAT WE PLAN TO DO INSTEAD OF WHAT THEY MANDATE WE DO.

I WILL ADD THE, THE DEFUND THE POLICE ACT THAT THEY PASSED A COUPLE YEARS AGO MEANS THAT WE REALLY, THERE'S NO FLEXIBILITY.

ONCE WE ADD SOMETHING, IT'S THERE AND IT NEVER COMES OFF THE BOARD.

THE ONLY WAY THEY'RE GONNA CHANGE IS WHEN PEOPLE VOTE.

RIGHT NOW, THE WAY, THE WAY THAT, THE WAY THAT THEY HAVE THE LEGISLATION UP THERE RIGHT NOW IS IF WE ADD $500,000 WORTH OF REVENUE, THEY TAKE AWAY 380,000 FROM WHAT WE HAD.

IT'S GOOD.

THEYS YEAH.

WE SEEPS WANTS TO BE BE MINI AUSTIN .

SO I GUESS RIGHT NOW THERE'S, THERE'S NO WAY WE COULD ADD TWO MORE OPTIONS.

OPTIONS.

I MEAN, WE CAN FACTOR THAT IN AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU GUYS WHEN WE GET FURTHER ALONG IN THE PROCESS.

BUT LIKE I SAID, ONCE YOU ADD THOSE TWO PEOPLE, YOU'VE BASICALLY ADDED THAT YOU'VE COMPOUNDED YOUR TIME, YOU'VE COMPOUNDED YOUR COST.

AND NOW WE'RE IN A POSITION WHERE, WELL, RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THIS BUDGET IS SAID, IF WE HAVE A $364,000 SURPLUS, WE COULD ADD TWO OFFICERS.

THAT'S IT.

WELL, WE HAVE, AND THAT $364,000 WOULD ONLY COVER TWO OFFICERS, RIGHT? WELL, AND AND HONESTLY THAT'S NOT A SURPLUS.

THAT'S THE PAYBACK OR DRAWDOWN OUT OF, OUT OF THE, WELL, I MEAN I JUST SAW THAT THAT'S A PLUS NUMBER IN THE BUDGET OR WHATEVER.

BUT THEN WOULDN'T ADDING THOSE TWO OFFICERS WOULD CUT BACK ON THE OVERTIME THOUGH, RIGHT? BECAUSE HOW DOES, HOW DOES THAT WORK? YEAH, SIG DEPENDS ON HOW SICK THEY'RE, IT DEPENDS ON, THERE'S SO MANY VARIABLES WE'VE TRENDED SINCE 2018, RIGHT? AT TWO, BETWEEN TWO AND TWO 50.

UH, AND WE'VE BEEN AT FULL CAPACITY BEFORE AND WE'RE STILL TRENDING THAT NUMBER.

I MEAN, WE COULD LOOK AT IT AND I CAN MODEL OUT, BUT LIKE I SAID, I, I THINK IT, YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE AN OVERTIME COST AND YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE THE CORRELATED PERSONNEL COST.

SO OVERTIME, THE OVERTIME IS A SMALL NUMBER WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU FACTOR IN THE, THE BENEFITS, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

, WE'LL MODEL THAT.

UH, THAT'S ONE OF THE FUN THINGS ABOUT THIS SYSTEM.

NOW THAT WE'VE KIND OF FIGURED OUT HOW TO WORK IT, WE CAN RUN A SCENARIO AND SHOW YOU WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

UM, AND WE'LL DO THAT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF OR? ALL I'VE SAID IS WE COMMEND YOU BECAUSE I'VE SAID IT OVER AND OVER AND AGAIN.

THIS CITY HAS TO DO MORE WITH LESS THAN ANYBODY I KNOW.

THANK YOU CHIEF.

YEAH, THANK YOU EVERYBODY.

EVERYBODY IN THE WHOLE CITY DOES A BETTER, DOES A GOOD JOB FOR, I MEAN, EVEN OUR, ALL THE OTHER CITIES AROUND HERE HAVE A CITY MANAGER AND AN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER AND PROBABLY AN ENGINEER AS WELL.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY, WE GOT A CITY MANAGER.

NO, ABSOLUTELY.

THAT'S CITYWIDE.

I I GIVE THESE FOLKS BEHIND ME JUST AS MUCH CREDIT BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING THE SAME THING THAT, THAT WE'RE DOING.

SO I THINK THAT'S WHY WE ALL LOOK SO TIRED.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE TRYING TO, OUR PLAN 15 YEARS AGO WAS TO TRY TO GET IT, GET US IN LINE WITH EVERYBODY ELSE.

BUT EVERY TIME WE, EVERY TIME WE MAKE A STEP FORWARD, THE STATE TEXAS TWO STEPS BACKWARDS.

THAT'S THE ONE THING WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH PUBLIC SAFETY, SPECIFICALLY US AND EMS, WE WORK TOGETHER WITH OTHER CITIES SO MUCH AND THEY TALK AND SO THEY KNOW WHAT EACH OTHER'S GETTING YEAH.

WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE, YOU KNOW, PAY INCREASES.

AND SO THAT, THAT ALWAYS IS A CONTENTION THAT WE'VE GOTTA WORK WITH.

SO, UH, CHIEF WHAT, JUST ONE MORE QUESTION BEFORE YOU GO.

SO WHAT, WHAT'S OUR BASE RATE FOR NEW, FOR NEW HIRES? UM, 25 53.

25 53.

NOW HOW IS THAT ON PAR WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS? IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY COMPETITIVE.

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UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE GOTTEN COMPETITIVE WITH OUR PAY.

UM, NOW IT'S, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I, I DON'T HEAR THE COMPLAINTS AND WE'RE NOT LOSING THE PEOPLE THAT WE WERE LOSING.

THE PAY HAS GOT TO WHERE, I MEAN, TRUST ME, WE CAN ALWAYS USE MORE MONEY.

THERE'S, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S, YOU JUST RUN INTO OTHER, OTHER FRUSTRATIONS LIKE, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE EQUIPMENT AND HAVING THOSE TYPE OF THINGS OR WORKING THE OVERTIME.

THOSE ARE WHERE YOU, WELL THEN WHEN YOU GUYS COMPETE, LIKE MONEY B I S D WHERE YOU'VE GOT SUMMER OFF MONEY WILL GET YOU AN EMPLOYEE, BUT WORK ENVIRONMENT WILL KEEP YOU.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I, I HEAR MORE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE, THE VEHICLES, THEIR VEHICLE BEING DOWN THAN I DO ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH PAY SCALE, YOU KNOW, THEIR PAYCHECK IS WHERE, WHERE WE'VE GOTTEN COMPETITIVE THERE.

UM, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF CONTINUING AND, AND LIKE I SAID, UM, I I, I CAN'T TAKE ANY CREDIT.

I GIVE IT ALL TO, TO THEM.

THEY, THEY DO A GREAT JOB.

START AT THE TOP CHIEF.

THANK YOU CHIEF.

MOVING ON.

NEXT UP IS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

SO THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES HERE, WE DID INCREASE THE RETIREMENT BENEFIT TO THE, THOSE THAT SERVE.

UH, WE'VE ALSO INCREASED THE SUPPLY BUDGET TO ANTICIPATE SOME NEW RECRUITS.

UM, AND UH, CHIEF HAD A PRETTY HAPPY ASK ON THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT, UH, VEHICLES.

BUT WE UH, WE MIX THOSE FOR THIS YEAR.

SO, UH, WITH THAT, I'LL OVER IT UP FOR QUESTIONS REALLY QUICK CUZ JUST, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT IS, THERE'S SO MANY NUMBERS AND IT'S BEEN FOLLOWING.

I EVEN ASKED ERIC, SHE CAN'T SEE THE TAB RIGHT NEXT TO WHAT? 23? WHAT IS NEXT FISCAL YEAR? 23 ACTUAL, OH, I'M SORRY.

THAT TAB HAS BEEN DRIVING.

I'M LIKE, WHAT IS IT? CAUSE THERE'S SO MANY NUMBERS AND I'M LIKE, WHAT IS THE, OKAY.

YEAH, YOU, I CAN SEE SO ADOPTED IS WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR.

THAT'S CORRECT.

THIS IS WHAT WE'VE DONE YEAR TO DATE.

THAT YOU WANT ME TO TAKE THAT OFF SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS CONFUSING? UM, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

YEAH, THAT'S, IT'S JUST A TON OF NUMBERS.

IT'S JUST, YEAH, WE'LL JUST, WE'LL TURN THAT DOWN RIGHT THERE AND THEN THAT WAY IT'S JUST WHAT WAS ADOPTED, WHAT WE PROJECT TO FINISH THE YEAR AT AND THEN WHAT WE HAVE REQUESTED.

OH ACTUALLY THAT DOES HELP.

SORRY.

YEAH, ANYTIME YOU GUYS WANT TO, THEN WE CAN MINIMIZE, MAXIMIZE THERE'S, WE CAN'T TURN THAT ONE OFF AND NEXT YEAR WE'LL HAVE ACCESS TO THIS THAT WE CAN HOPEFULLY, YEAH, NOW THAT WE GOT THE PERSONNEL, LIKE WE'LL HAVE ACCESS AFTER TODAY.

THAT'S OUR GOAL.

HUH? I SAID WE HOPE TO HAVE YOU ACCESS IN THERE TODAY.

JUST THAT'S ONCE WE HAD THE, LIKE I SAID, IT WAS A FUN FIGHT LAST NIGHT, SO THIS SYSTEM'S GONNA BE AWESOME NEXT YEAR.

I LIKE IT SO FAR.

YEAH, I DO.

I LIKE THE LOOK AT EVERYTHING.

THE ONE THING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE IS BECAUSE OF THE COLOR DIFFERENTIATION I HAD WHEN I LIKE TO TINKER LATE AT NIGHT.

AND SO I HAD MISASSIGNED A BUNCH OF EQUIPMENT STUFF TO THE ENTERPRISE FUND, NOT TO OUR FUND.

AND SO THEN SHE HAD TO GO CORRECT IT AND THEN I REALIZED THAT I WAS ALSO MOVING TRANSFERS BETWEEN THE FUNDS INCORRECTLY.

IF THEY COULD JUST COLOR CODE 'EM ON THE SIDE, THAT WOULD MAKE LIFE A LOT EASIER.

SO ACTUALLY YOU'RE JUST MESSING IT UP.

NO.

YOU TALK ABOUT THE UPGRADE TRAINING.

TRUST ME, SHE HAS TO CLEAN UP SO MANY MESSES.

IT'S NOT EVEN FUNNY.

WELL, AS CJ IDENTIFIED Y WHAT WE DID ASK Y FOR AN INCREASE IN THINGS FOR KITCHEN THAT FED TO, UH, FOR, FOR THE YOUNGER PEOPLE IN THEIR LANE TO ATTRACT THOSE INTO THE, UH, VOLUNTEER ASPECT OF, UH, FIRE, FIRE ONTO THOSE.

UH, WE COMPARED THE NUMBERS IN THEIR LANE TO THE UH, NEIGHBORING THE CITIES AND THEIR CONTRIBUTION IN THEIR LANE INTO THE SYSTEM AND THEIR LANE IS QUITE ABOVE US AND THEY HAVE A BETTER ASPECT OF RECRUITING MORE PEOPLE INTO IT.

SO, AND IT GIVES 'EM SOME SENSE IN THEIR LANE SENSE SINCE WE'RE NOT PAID IN WORTH GIVING SOME INCENTIVES TO MAKE THEM COME IN AND GIVE UP THEIR TIME TO BE ABLE TO DO A SERVICE AND EVERYTHING TO THE CITY.

THAT WAS INCREASED IN HANGING AS FAR AS GENERALLY EVERYTHING FROM THE, UH, 1 55 UP TO UH, 1 75 CONTRIBUTION LANE.

HER FIRST.

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AS FOR AS YOU CUTTING IT, HALF, HALF THE EXPENSE.

AND IT ADDS FOR THE REQUIREMENT COMING IN AND FROM THE N FPA AS FAR AS REQUIREMENTS IN OUR LAND FOR OUR FIREFIGHTERS PAID OUR VOLUNTEER, WHICH IS PUTTING US INTO, UH, THE ASPECT OF BEING PROFESSIONAL.

UH, NO MATTER WHAT RANK YOU ARE IN, IF YOU'RE COMMISSION OR NON COMMISSION, YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RULES TO BE ABLE TO BE A TRAINED FIREFIGHTER.

AND THAT'S INCREASING AS FAR AS REQUIREMENT OF OURS.

AND THEN AS FAR AS THE EXPENSE OF IT.

SO WE HAVE TO HAVE A CERTIFIED FIREFIGHTERS AND SEND TO THE, UH, AVAILABLE SCHOOLS.

SO THAT HAS, UH, IN INCENTIVE TO HAVE THE PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS THAT WE HAVE.

AND I CAN'T SPEAK MORE THE TOP OF THE LINE.

I COMPARE OUR FIREFIGHTERS WITH ANYONE WITHIN COUNTY.

MATTER OF FACT, WE'RE BEEN CHOSEN IN LANE AS FAR AS THAT'S COMING OUT AS FAR AS ONE OF THE UH, BEST FIREFIGHTER, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENTS.

WHEN THAT UH, COMES OUT IN EVERYTHING AS FAR AS THE, UH, PEOPLE'S CHOICE IN LANE, INCLUDING BEEN CHOSEN IN LANE AS FAVORABLE, UH, FIREFIGHTER FIRE DEPARTMENTS BE ON, UH, THAT'S INCREASE IN .

SO WE SEE AN INCREASE IN TRAINING ALL THOSE.

I DID PUT IN AN AS FAR AS CJ HAS IDENTIFIED FOR APPARATUS THAT WITH THE GROWTH OF THE CITY IS ONTO IT.

BUT THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING EVERYTHING.

THE EXPENSE OF EVERYTHING BEING SO HIGHER IN EVERYTHING.

THESE EMERGENCY EQUIPMENT, WE HAVE TO CUT THAT OUT.

BUT WE ARE ON THE LOOKOUT AND I'VE BEEN ALL OVER THROUGH THE STATE FACT LOOKING FOR OTHER ALTERNA, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE CAN FIND SOMETHING ELSE AND EVERYTHING.

BE ABLE TO, AND THAT'S MAINLY APPARAT OF A, UH, WHAT WE CALL A PLATFORM CAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION AND THE, UH, BUILDINGS IN COMING THE AREA.

UH, WE HAVE THE, UH, AND YOU SEE HOW TALL THAT IS.

THAT'S BASICALLY A FOUR STORY BUILDING.

AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE AN AIRLINE AS FAR AS NEIGHBORHOODS WITH THEIR EXTREMELY HIGH ROOF LINES AND NARROW ENTRANCE AND EVERYTHING GOING AROUND TO THE BACK SIDE.

BUT I'M STILL PUSHING FOR THAT, UH, WITH SOME OF OUR SUPPLIES AND SPILL ONTO THERE.

UH, IT'S BECAUSE OF THE AGE ONTO IT THAT WE HAVE TO DO REPLACEMENT AND THE CAPITAL FIXED AND ALL THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO REPLACE OUR AIR BOTTLES, UH, YOU KNOW, SUPPLY AIR, WHAT CALL WE HAVE TO REPLACE THOSE CAUSE THEY GOING OUT DATE, THEY'RE GOING OUT DATE AND THAT OUT THIS YEAR WE HAVE TO PLACED THAT.

AND I, I DO WANT TO SAY MIKE'S UH, BEING POLITE, WE DID CUT THIS BUDGET A LITTLE BIT BACK.

YEAH, I, I'LL FEEL PROBABLY A LITTLE YES STOMACH THAT WE, WE AGAIN, WE WERE TRYING TO BE COST CONSCIOUS HERE AND BREAK DOWN THE COST JUST A LITTLE BIT.

CAUSE YEAH, I DID HAVE A DENTAL HANG AS FAR AS ANY, UH, SUPPLIES AS NECESSARY EQUIPMENT INTO IT.

BASICALLY WERE CUT JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOVE, UH, HALF ON TO IT.

BUT I WAS LOOKING IN LANE AS FAR AS GETTING EQUIPMENT SUCH AS WHAT WE CALL EXTRICATION OF GEAR.

BUT IT IS, IT FITS THE FDA RULES, UH, BEING ABLE TO BE FIRE PROTECTION FOR A CERTAIN PART AND PLUS IN OWN AS BEING ABLE TO SERVE AS PROTECTIVE GEAR AND HANG IN OTHER OCCASIONS SUCH AS FIGHTING, UH, WILDFIRE FIRES AND BRUSH FIRE OR ANYTHING THAT YOU MAY HAVE UP TO THERE OR GETTING TO UH, GETTING RESCUE MODE.

THAT'S A CHEAPER UNIFORM THAN TRYING TO RUIN AND HANG THE UH, THE ASPECT OF THE UH, WHAT WE CALL BUNKER GEAR.

BUNKER MIRRORING IS VERY EXPENSIVE AND YOU DO DAMAGE, YOU CUT, YOU DO A BURN ONTO THE, UH, BUMPER GEAR THAT HAS TO BE REPLACED OR UH, SELLING AND THAT'S VERY EXPENSIVE.

YOU COMPARE NARROW

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AND ALL THAT GEAR IS, IS REGULATED BY UH, YEARS ALSO.

AND I WANNA APOLOGIZE, WHEN WE MADE THE MODIFICATIONS TO THIS BUDGET, EACH ONE OF THESE LINE ITEMS HAD A DETAIL AND A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THEM AND FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT ALL GOT RESET.

SO IF THAT POPULATED FOR YOU, I WAS WONDERING WHY WE WERE LOOKING AT A LOT OF XOX.

I KNOW YOU WERE DOING A GREAT JOB WITH THE BUDGETS.

IS IT ANYTHING? NO, THIS, THIS BUDGET DOESN'T INCLUDE THE, THE APPARATUS THAT WE HAVE ON ORDER NO SIR.

THIS, THIS DOES NOT BECAUSE WE PREPAID, IF YOU RECALL, WE PREPAID THIS ANCHOR AT THE TIME.

THAT'S ALL.

YEAH, THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL BE BUDGET AMENDMENTS FOR PREVIOUS PREVIOUS BUDGET, CORRECT.

YES, THAT IS CORRECT.

NOW THE CHARGEBACK FOR THOSE IS HERE.

I THAT, SO BASICALLY THE INCREASE HERE IS BENEFITS AND SUPPLIES AND TRAINING.

CORRECT? CORRECT.

EXCLUDES AND CAPITAL EXPENSE IN EVERYTH THAT'S SHOWING UP IN BLOOD RIGHT NOW.

UH, IS THE, UH, THE, UH, S EBA BOTTLES.

I MEAN IF THE, IF THE FIREFIGHTER DON'T OWN A HOME, THEY DON'T GET THE, THEY DON'T GET THE WATER BILL BENEFIT.

SO YOU KNOW, IF THEY LIVE IN AN APARTMENT, ALL THEY GET IS WHAT, WHAT LITTLE BIT THAT WE PUT IN THEIR RETIREMENT IN PENSION.

A LOT OF, I'LL SAY THAT I APPLAUD Y'ALL FOR BEING ABLE TO KEEP 20 PEOPLE INTERESTED IN VOLUNTEERING BECAUSE IT, IT'S HARD TO GET 20 PEOPLE TO VOLUNTEER TO SET ON COMMITTEES UP HERE.

THAT'S IT.

AND WE ARE GOING ON A CAMPAIGN IN .

WE ARE SEEING AS FAR AS AN INCREASE IN THEIR AND UH, AVAILABLE, UH, INTEREST.

INTEREST AND STUFF.

WE HAVE GOT SOME NEW, UH, ROOKIES FOR WHAT WE CALL AS FAR AS ONTO THE, UH, ONCE THEY GET THROUGH ALL THEIR PRE UH, ASPECT OF TRAINING, THEN WE CAN BOLT 'EM IN AS FULL TIME FIREFIGHTERS.

UH, WE STILL ASPECT ONTO THAT LANE IS WE'RE STILL RUNNING ABOUT 16 TO 18 TO 20.

CORRECT.

RIGHT NOW.

NOW.

AND WITH THE NEW APPLICANTS, WILL BE AT 23.

OUR CHARTER, WHICH MANY YEARS AGO KNOW LANE, UH, WE HAVE OUR CHARTER COSTS FOR UH, TOP LINE 40 PEOPLE, WHICH WE HAD AT ONE TIME AND EVERYTHING WE HADING, I LOOKED BACK ON IT.

WE UH, TOPPED OUT AT 38 VOLUNTEER NOW AND EVERYTHING.

YOU'RE HALF OF THAT REMAINING.

IT'S CONSTANT.

I CAN TELL YOU WHAT THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT Y'ALL, THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT Y'ALL DO FOR THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE IS UH, AMAZING.

AND I PUT ALL THESE AND EVERYTHING, FIGURES AND EVERYTHING AND I'LL SHOWED UH, CJ YOU KNOW, IF WE WENT FIRE UH, PAY IN EVERYTHING AS FAR AS ON A FULLTIME BASIS, UH, THAT WOULD BE AN INCREASE IN EVERYTHING IN HIS SALARY FOR A MILLION AND HALF THAT BASELINE AND IT'S WORTH.

AND THAT'S JUST ONLY 25 OR A HALF OF 20 AND YOU HAVE 23 YOU SAID, OR HOW? YEAH, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE HANG FOR, WE'VE GOT 23 AND WITH THAT, THAT'S NEW HANG PAGE.

THEY'RE NOT ELIGIBLE AND EVERYTHING TO TAKE OFF ALL THESE BENEFITS.

BECOME A, UH, CERTIFIED SWORN IN, UH, MEMBER.

UH, AND THEN WE DO HAVE THE ASPECT AND EVERYTHING OF SOME RETURN AFTER PUTTING IN 40 YEARS, 35, 40 YEARS IN THE DEPARTMENT.

SO OUR RECRUIT ASPECT IS GOING AFTER THE YOUNGER PEOPLE, EVERYTHING AND GIVING SOME SUCH AS THE RAISING THE, UH, PITCHING AS TO SHOW EVERYTHING FOR THOSE YEARS OF SERVICE AND EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN RETAIN.

SO WE DON'T HAVE, WHEN WE HAVE TURN AT EXPENSE GENERAL HAVE PUMP OUT, UH, ALL THEIR TRAINING, WE JUST LOSE THAT TO ANOTHER DEPARTMENT.

TRY TO RETAIN, WE HAVE HAD A GOOD BASELINE IN WITH OUR 40, 35 TO YEARS AND STUFF ON THEIR END SERVICE.

UH, JUST UH, JUST AS THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS IN THEIR, AS FAR AS EVERYONE IN THEIR REACHING OUT THERE AND DOING THEIR THING A LOT WITH THE, WITH LEFT.

AND AS FAR AS THERE AND GETTING CUT ANDING AS FAR AS ANY, IT DOES HURT THEIR, AS FAR AS THERE, CAUSE THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN THERE IS WHAT WE REQUIRE AND EVERYTHING NECESSARY AND EVERYTHING MAKE THE CITIZENS OF PROTECTED

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I UNDERSTAND IT'S WORTH THAT.

AND AGAIN, AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT, THEIR LANE, THEY'RE KEEPING UP IN THEIR LAND TIME TO THEIR FAMILY, THEIR BUSINESS AND STUFF ONTO THERE BE ABLE TO GO IS THE CONJUNCTION IN OUR LAND AND WE HAVE THE RESTRICTIONS IN CITY AND ALL THAT STUFF.

AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS, EVEN OUR FELLOW DEPARTMENTS AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO RETAIN ROSTERS, THEY'RE GOING OUT AND RECRUITING, UH, AND GUIDING PROGRAMS THAT YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO LIVE IN THE CITY, BE IN THE CITY, WORK IN THE CITY AND THEY'RE BECOMING MEMBERS.

KEEP EVERYTHING HERE CITY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF? THANKS MIKE.

THANK YOU CHIEF.

APPRECIATE YOUR, APPRECIATE YOUR TIME MIKE.

Y'ALL DO, LIKE I SAID, Y'ALL DO A LOT OF WORK WITH VERY FEW PEOPLE STILL .

NEXT UP IS FIRE MARSHAL CODE ENFORCEMENT, STEVE, LIKE A VERY AZZY UH, THE, YOU KNOW, THE BIG BIGGEST CHANGE IN THIS DEPARTMENT WAS THE ADDITION OF THE NEW STAFF.

CPA COURSE THEN GOES TO THE VOLUNTEER SIDE.

OR LAST YEAR.

UH, PRODUCTIVITY HAS COME WAY, WAY UP.

UM, WHICH HAS LED TO SOME WEIRD ACCUSATIONS BY SOME OF THE PUBLIC.

WE ARE NOT TARGETING ANYBODY OF ANY POLITICAL PERSUASION, UH, WITH OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OPTIONS.

AND I THINK WE'VE RUN HOW MANY CASES IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS, CLOSE TO 270.

SO THE ENFORCEMENT HAS INCREASED AND HAS NO, AS, AS WITH THAT HAS COME THE NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS FROM FOLKS ABOUT THE METHODOLOGY.

I WE HAVEN'T CHANGED OUR METHODOLOGY.

WE'RE ISSUING LETTERS.

WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH PEOPLE.

HOW MANY DEMOLITIONS HAVE WE DONE THIS? I THINK WE'VE GOT SIX TOTAL.

THREE IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS THAT WERE VOLUNTARILY.

WE GOT LESS TO THE ATTORNEY GOING THROUGH PROCESS BOARD ADJUSTMENTS WILL VOLUNTARILY AND REMOVE DANGEROUS STRUCTURES ARE UP A TO.

WE HAD A COUPLE THAT, WELL I'M GOING TO DO IT, REBUILD IT AND THAT'S BEEN THREE YEARS.

SO WE GOTTA MOVE FORWARD AND GET THE BOARD GOVERNMENT APPEAL AND THEN COME BEFORE Y'ALL WITH THEIR DECISIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.

UH, IT'S A LONG PROCESS TO TRY TO GET FROM NOTIFYING THE END RESULT.

THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AND COUNCIL SAY, YES, WE'RE GONNA, OR NO, WE'LL GIVE YOU TAX AMOUNT OF TIME TO GET IT.

CAUSE WHEN THEY TELL US, I SAID IT'S BEEN TWO OR THREE YEARS I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH PEOPLE, BUT WE HAVE GOTTEN SEVERAL, WE'VE HAD THREE OF THEM THAT I KNOW THAT HAVE BEEN REMODELED AND TAKEN OFF THE LIST CAUSE THEY WENT AHEAD AND BROUGHT THE HOUSES UP TO CODE.

UH, IN ADDITION, UH, WE GETTING BETTER ON OUR APARTMENT INSPECTIONS.

MY DEPUTY JUST FINISHED THE POLICE.

SO BE ARTS, INVEST, PRESENT TIME.

WE HAD CHANGE THE PERSONNEL THAT BROUGHT IRENE MCKAY OUTTA RETIREMENT FROM THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT.

AND SHE IS CERTIFIED.

WE GOT HER LICENSE BACK AND SHE CERTIFIED IN THE HEALTH UH, AS A HEALTH INSPECTOR.

WE'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT THE ROAD JUST, JUST CONSTANT THERE.

TRAINING IS OUR BIG ISSUE AND WE'RE, WE GET FAR TRYING TO BECOME A T UH, FOR, FOR NOW.

YOU'RE P TRAINING FACILITY.

UH, MONEY IS STILL THERE.

AND DO YOU WANNA KINDA EXPLAIN WHAT THAT IS? UH, WE'RE TRYING TO UH, THROUGH THE FIRE MARSH OFFICE WITH THE TEXAS COMMISSIONER ON FIRE PROTECTION TO BECOME A CERTIFIED TRAINING AGENCY.

UH, THE INITIAL PART IS THE NON-FIRE FIGHTING, UH, COURSE FIRE OFFICERS, UH, FIRE INSPECTOR, FIRE EDUCATORS WHERE WE CAN GO OUT AND TEACH OTHER UH, PAID PERSONNEL OR EVEN VOLUNTEERS.

UH, MY DEPUTY FIRE MARSHAL, UH, CARRIE ROCKFORD, UH, RETIRED RUNNING THE FIRE FIELD ATM FOR 21 YEARS.

HE RAN THE EIGHT CAPTAIN THERE.

UH, SO THIS IS RIGHT UP HIS ALLEY WHERE WE CAN BRING IN SOME REVENUE ON TEACHING THESE COURSES.

IN ADDITION, UH, GARY HAS JOINED AS THE VOLUNTEER CHIEF WITH OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT ON HIS OFF TIME AND HELPED HIM WITH THE TRAINING ON THE VOLUNTEERS.

SO IS THIS, UH, IF YOU GET CERTIFIED WITH THE T

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SO THE TRAINING WE CAN HELP YOU GET OUR VOLUNTEER CERTIFIED ALSO.

CAUSE LIKE I SAID, I THINK WE ARE AT MINIMUM AND HOPEFULLY WE MIGHT ABLE WE LITTLE BIT LESS BUT WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH GOING WITH JERRY'S ASSOCIATION WITH ALL TOP LEVEL THE TEXAS COMMISSION FIRE PROTECTION INSIDE APPROVAL AND BE ABLE GET UP AND GET OFFERED IN TRAINING.

AND NOT ONLY IN THE FIRE BUT BECAUSE THERE'S CROSSOVER IN FIRE POLICE THAT WE CAN DO SOME TRAINING, POSSIBLY LAW ENFORCEMENT.

BUT THAT'S THE REASON BEHIND TRYING TO TRAINING FACILITY.

AND THEN DOWN THE ROAD WITH UH, PERRY'S, HE'S ALSO ON THE VOLUNTEER SIDE WITH A FIRE BILL THAT WE MADE.

WE GET IN TO DO SOME FIREFIGHTING TRAINING FROM THERE.

UH, IF WE GET THE RIGHT AGREEMENTS WITH THE COUNTY TO USE THEIR FIRE EQUIPMENT.

SO IT WILL HELP NOT JUST THE SIDE ON OTHER AGENCIES BUT ALSO THE VOLUNTEERS THAT UH, WE CAN GET MORE EDUCATION THAN THE REDUCE PRICE.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STEVE? STEVE ALSO WEARS MANY HATS.

HE HAS ALSO OUR PLUMBING AND HEALTH INSPECTOR.

SO, UH, I TELL 'EM ALL THE TIME HOW MUCH WE, THAT DEPARTMENT ALSO DOES THE APARTMENT INSPECTORS CORRECT.

FIRES, OFFICE, APARTMENT, DEPARTMENT INSPECTIONS, HEALTH INSPECTIONS, CODE ENFORCEMENT, PLUMBING AND UH, SOME ENVIRONMENTAL.

YEAH, WE NEED TO ADD SOMETHING.

I THINK STILL, WHATEVER.

SO IT'S THREE OF Y'ALL RIGHT NOW, CORRECT? YES SIR.

THREE.

WE GRATEFUL TO HAVE ONE IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET.

AGAIN, KNOWING HOW TIGHT MONEY IS WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR.

WE DO THE BEST WE CAN HAVE, WHICH IS A LOT BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAD BEFORE MR. UH, AND TRAINING DEPUTY LAW ENFORCEMENT, CHIEF POLICE, SO THAT WE'LL GET HIM ALL THERE.

SO, AND WE ALL WORK TOGETHER.

THAT'S THE KEY TO CITY EVERY DEPARTMENT.

AND THAT'S WHY I LOVE HERE THE CITY.

THANK YOU SIR.

YEAH, THEY CARRIED IT GINGER DOSSEY WITH EMS. UH, I WILL SAY THAT WE'VE UH, GOT A GREAT TEAM OVER THERE.

VERY COMMITTED AS WELL.

YOU HAVEN'T LIVED IN UC, PRINCE SEEMED TO YOU IN A, UH, PIZZA.

ONE SEAT.

THAT'S PRETTY COOL.

UH, THE ONGOING ISSUES WITH FIRE STATION ONE, UM, JUST CONTINUE.

UH, WE HAVE INSTRUCTED THEM THAT IF THERE IS A SITUATION JUST TO PULL EVERYTHING OUT AND THEN UH, GET SOME MARSHMALLOWS.

SO I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE AC ISSUES ARE, UM, AT ALL TIME, THEY'RE AT AN ALL TIME HEIGHT TO THE POINT THAT IF WE DON'T GET, UM, SOME SORT OF, UH, FIXED TO IT, THAT WE'RE MAYBE LOOKING AT UM, ALTERNATIVES TO LETTING THEM SLEEP SOMEWHERE.

BUT THE BLEEDING BORDERS AREN'T 70 DEGREES SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN THAT WAY SINCE WE MOVED IN AND WE, THERE DID EBBS AND FLOWS.

UM, WE RUN A COUPLE WEEKS WHERE EVERYTHING SEEMS VERY HOMEOSTASIS AND COMFORTABLE AND THEN OUT OF LEFT FIELD IT'LL WILD SWING AND YOU'LL HAVE LITERAL CLIMATE ZONES IN THERE WHERE YOU'RE FREEZING IN ONE OFFICE AND THE OTHER OFFICE IS LEAKING CAUSE ITS HUMID IN IT.

AND THE OTHER OFFICE FRONT 70 ACRES AND THERE'S A LOT NO REASON TO IT.

BUT I GIVE IT TO MY GUYS, THEY HAVE YET TO MURDER ME OR QUIT.

AND, UH, WITH THIS HEAT THAT'S, THAT SAYS A LOT CUZ THEY'RE GETTING HOT WHILE THEY'RE OUT OF THE STATION AND THEY'RE NOT GETTING MUCH REPRIEVE WHEN THEY GET BACK.

AND THEY LIVE THERE FOR 48 HOURS, 72 HOURS AT THE TIME.

SO, UM, I GIVE THEM ALL I GET TO GO HOME.

THEY DO NOT.

SO I GIVE THEM ALL THE UH, THE PROPS FOR THAT.

SO YOU'RE SAYING IT'S 78 DEGREES INSIDE? IS THAT WHAT YEAH, YESTERDAY PORT CHERRY, I DROVE HIM OVER THERE CAUSE THE DORMS UPSTAIRS WERE 78 DEGREES AND, AND THE DORMS AND 75.

THE LIVING AREA IS LIKE THE DAY ROOM AND WHAT'S IT, WHAT DO YOU NEED IT TO BE? IT? 78 DEGREES.

SO I,

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I'M CONFUSED.

WHAT ENDS UP, WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS IT CREATES CONDENSATION IN THE BUILDING AND THEN WE'LL HAVE WATER COME OUT.

WE'LL HAVE WATER.

I'M SORRY, I'M JUST ASKING CUZ THAT'S WHERE MY OFFICE 78 DEGREES.

YEAH, BUT YOU DON'T LIVE THERE.

WHERE DO YOU KEEP IT AT YOUR HOUSE? 79.

OH OH MAN.

OH MY GOD.

I OH MY GOD.

I'M SORRY.

NO, I JUST ASKED 72 HERE.

MEXICO 60, THE 72 WE TAKE.

THAT'S WHY YOU YEAH, I THINK THE, I THINK WHAT THE, I THINK WHAT THE BIG DEAL IS, IS THAT UNDERSTAND THE COOL DOWN WHEN THEY GET BACK, YOU KNOW, IS THE, IS THE INCONSISTENCY.

I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, IF YOU'RE USED TO, IF YOU'RE USED TO STAYING IN A HOUSE AT 79 DEGREES AND YOU GO INTO ONE THAT'S 70 DEGREES.

YEAH, NO, YOU WANT A JACKET .

IT'S COLD IN HERE TO ME.

BUT THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU HAVE THE DUELING ZONES WHICH CREATE A MOISTURE ISSUE.

YOU IN THE HALLWAY.

YEAH, I UNDERSTAND.

HUMIDITY, COLD FRONTS.

UM, IT'S JUST THIS HEAT COLD, BUT IT DEPENDS ON WHETHER IT'S A DRY 78 OR A DAMP.

IT'S PRETTY MUCH THAT GUARANTEE IT'S GONNA BE A DAMP.

SO WE'VE GOT A MOISTURE YEAR HUMIDITY.

YEAH, THAT'S THE, I MEAN WE'VE HAD CEILINGS THAT FELL IN CAUSE IT GOT WET.

SO WE'VE CUT THAT.

WE WE'VE DONE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF REMEDIATION, ABOUT $270,000.

WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, WE'VE CUT THE RIDGE VENTS, WE'VE PUT THE VENTS IN, WE'VE CHANGED THE BS, WE'VE INSTALLED DRYING ELEMENTS TO REDUCE THE HUMIDITY COMING OUT OF THE AC UNITS WE HAVE REPLACED.

BUT THAT'S THE WHOLE ACS JOB IS TO REMOVE THE HUMIDITY.

AND IT'S NOT HUMIDIFIERS.

WE HAVE, UH, WE'VE UPGRADE THE INSULATION TIN WINDOWS.

WE, I MEAN YEAH.

WE BOTH UPGRADE THE INSULATION.

SO THE UNIT ITSELF IS NOT MOVING ENOUGH AIR.

WELL WE, IT'S SEVERAL UNITS.

WE THINK THAT'S PART, HONESTLY, I THINK IF WE MOVE THE CHILLER OFF THE PARK, IT'S SWAP THEM OUT.

WE'D PROBABLY BE IN DECENT SHAPE.

THERE'S SEVEN AC UNITS IN THAT BUILDING.

AND SO IT IS JUST KIND MIND BLOWING.

IT'S BY IT'S NOT, AND THEN IT'S THE BALANCE.

TRYING TO KEEP THE BALANCE OH, THE CHEAPEST BID.

JUST CAN'T JUST CAN'T KEEP EVERYTHING BALANCED.

YES, YES.

IT'S, UH, IT'S BEEN AN ADVENTURE AND, BUT WE THINK, UH, THERE'S LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL.

IT'S PROBABLY A TRAIN, BUT, UH, WE, NO PUN INTENDED.

THE WAY IT'S LOOKING RIGHT NOW, WE'D BEEN BETTER OFF IF WE'D HAVE BUILT THREE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS.

AND SEALED THEM.

NO, WE HAVE THREE PROBLEMS INSTEAD.

A ONE.

NO, IF WE'D HAVE BUILT THREE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS, THEY WOULD'VE BEEN, YOU WOULD'VE BEEN ABLE TO PSYCH IT FOR EACH ONE.

I'M SORRY.

I DIDN'T MEAN TO GET US HUNG UP.

NO, NO, NO.

BUT THAT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT IS BEEN THE BANE OF OUR EXISTENCE.

WE, I TURNED TO CALLING IT THE .

IT'S AN ONGOING PROBLEM.

EVERY TIME I, I ASK GINGER, HOW ARE THINGS GOING? THERE'S LIKE, AND THERE'S NO ONE MORE THING FIX IT.

WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD TWO DIFFERENT SETS OF ENGINEERS COME IN TO TELL US WHAT'S WRONG AND TO TELL US HOW TO FIX IT.

BUT I MEAN THE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY DO THE WORK, RIGHT, RIGHT NOW, JEFF'S WORKED ON IT.

WE'VE HAD OTHER PEOPLE, WE HAD THE PEOPLE FROM CONROE COME DOWN INITIALLY.

NOBODY SEEMS TO BE ABLE TO GET IT INTO BALANCE.

JEFF AND THEM WERE WORKING ON A, ON REVISION TO THE BAFFLING.

THEY THINK THAT MIGHT BE PART OF THE ISSUE AND HOW IT'S SAID AND THE TIMING THAT HE GETS CHANGED AT.

BUT HE'S AS BAFFLED AS WE ARE.

I KNOW JERRY'S READY TO PULL HIS HAIR OUT.

I HAVE TO TAKE HIM, YOU KNOW, AND SEND HIM HOME SOMETIMES JUST TO COOL OFF.

THAT'S PARTLY MY FAULT CAUSE I'M NOT GO OVER HERE JUST, BUT YOU DO COME RAGING AGAINST THE MACHINE BECAUSE IT'S SO WARM OVER THERE AND THINGS START LEAKING.

BUT THREE YEARS WITH, YOU KNOW, JEFF AND HIM BEEN TRYING, WE HAVE, I THINK THAT WE HAVE RAN EVERY POSSIBLE SCENARIO THAT WOULD BE THE CAUSE OF WHY WE'RE HAVING AN ISSUE.

AND SO IT BLOWS MY MIND THAT SOMEBODY CAN FIX.

IT'S BLOWING OUR MIND.

IT'S BLOWING MY MIND AS WELL.

AND I'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION AND I DON'T, WE JUST, WE'LL FIX A PROBLEM AND THEN A NEW PROBLEM.

AND THEN OF COURSE I'M NOT AN HVAC PERSON.

I'M LIKE, HOW COME THIS PROBLEM HASN'T REARED ITS HEAD BEFORE NOW? NOW WE'VE GOT THIS WHOLE DIFFERENT PROBLEM.

SO WE'RE LITERALLY, UM, FEEL LIKE HAMSTER'S ON IT, ON THE WHEEL.

I MEAN, WE'RE JUST NOT ONLY HVAC BECAUSE I KNOW SOMETIMES YOU'LL HAVE ELECTRICAL PROBLEMS OR, YEAH.

YOU'VE GOT THE H H V C SYSTEM DOESN'T WORK CORRECTLY, WHICH CREATES A MOISTURE ISSUE, WHICH THEN INFER THEN GOES INTO THE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM.

AND QUITE FRANKLY, SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT, I MEAN WE HAD TO REPLACE AN ENTIRE QUARTER MASTER'S ROOM FULL OF EQUIPMENT FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

CAUSE IT WAS COVERED IN MOLD.

SHE HAD TO REPLACE A BUNCH OF FURNITURE BECAUSE IT TURNED OUT WE HAD TO REPLACE TRAINING EQUIPMENT.

IT WAS COVERED IN MOLD.

WE LOST THE PROJECTOR, UM, THAT WAS IN THE TRAINING ROOM BECAUSE THE SEAMLESS STARTED LEAKING.

UM, WE ACTUALLY REFUSED TO PUT ANYTHING BACK UP THERE FOR THE LONGEST TIME.

AND THEN IT SEEMED LIKE EVERYTHING WAS GREAT.

AND SO LAST YEAR, UM, ABOUT THIS TIME ACTUALLY, I PUT THE NEW PROJECTOR UP AND WE'RE RIGHT BACK.

SO MAYBE THAT WAS THE PROJECTOR

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IN THE WE HAD .

I GOT, I GOT THAT VIDEO ON MY, I WAS LIKE NOTHING ELSE CAME ACROSS MY PHONE IN THE MIDDLE OF, OF THE GULF OF MEXICO.

BUT THE VIDEO OF THE LEAKING WATER AND THE TRAINING ROOM WE CAME THROUGH WITH NO, AT ONE TIME WE WERE LOOKING AT MAYBE, POSSIBLY WE WERE GETTING YES, A TEMPORARY TRAILER OR SOMETHING OUTSIDE FOR HIM TO STAY IN UNTIL WE FIGURED THIS OUT.

IS THAT STILL GONNA HAPPEN? IS THAT STILL A POSSIBILITY? UH, TO, AS A, WE, WE OBVIOUSLY DON'T WANT TAP TO GET TO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT GONNA BE VERY, I MEAN IF WE WERE WORKING 12 HOUR SHIFTS, IT WOULD BE THAT WHERE WE NEED TO PUT, HONESTLY, WE WOULD JUST DEAL WITH THE WARMTH IF IT WAS 12 HOUR SHIFTS.

BUT TO MOVE AN ENTIRE FOUR TO FIVE MAIN CREW INTO A SMALL TRAILER FOR 48 HOURS AT A TIME.

I MEAN, WE WOULD LIKE TO JUST STAY IN OUR BUILDING.

BUT, BUT THE LAST, WITH THE HEAT WE'VE HAD THE SUMMER, IT, IT'S, I THINK THAT'S COMPOUNDING EVERYTHING.

IT'S JUST SO HOT THAT 78 WHEN YOU JUST COME IN FROM A 10, YOU KNOW, 10 50 WHERE YOU'VE BEEN SWEATING, UM, NOW YOU'RE JUST FEELING LIKE THERE IS NO RELIEF.

SO I MEAN, I GUESS IF IT GETS TOO BAD, WE WON'T REALLY HAVE A CHOICE.

WELL I'M JUST, UH, OR WE'LL MOVE IT TO THE TRAINING ROOM, WHICH SEEMS TO BE THE COOLEST ROOM IN THE AROUND THAT JUST SETTING UP TENTS IN THERE.

WHAT I'M HEARING, WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING FOR MORALE .

I'LL TELL YOU THOUGH.

THEY, WE, WE JOKE ABOUT IT.

WE GET FRUSTRATED.

WE KIND OF TRY TO KEEP EACH OTHER, UH, POSITIVE ABOUT IT.

BUT THERE ARE JUST SOME DAYS YOU JUST CANNOT SEE THE POSITIVE LINE ABOUT IT WHEN IT'S HAPPENING.

BUT THEY, THEY, THEY SOLD HER THROUGH IT.

THEY THEY DO.

THEY SHOW UP EVERY DAY.

EVERY DAY.

HOW OLD IS THE SYSTEM? UH, SIX YEARS OLD.

YEARS SIX.

IT'S BRAND NEW.

I MEAN, S**T BRAND NEW.

WE BEEN INTO THAT BUILDING FEBRUARY OF 2018.

WE HAD OUR FIRST AC PROBLEM FEBRUARY OF 2018.

OH.

SO IT IS JUST, SO IT'S BEEN A PROBLEM FOR DAY ONE.

WELL, PEOPLE THAT FIX THIS FOR A LIVING, , I MEAN, I'M JUST FLOORED.

THERE'S NO WAY I WOULD'VE HAD A PROBLEM CONSIST IN MY OFFICE FOR THIS LENGTH OF TIME.

THERE'S NO WARRANT.

THIS JUST MAKES NO SENSE.

OH, THE WARRANTY IS THAT THE ANOTHER ISSUE AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE GONNA END UP IN A LAWSUIT WITH THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY THAT THERE'S TIME TO HIRE.

IT IS TIME TO HIRE SOMEBODY TO FIX IT.

AND TO HELP WITH A BUNCH OF ENGINEERS, HIRE COMPANIES.

SAY FIX MY AIR CONDITIONER.

IF THEY WANT AN ENGINEER, LET 'EM GET ONE.

WELL THAT'S, WE'VE, WE HIRED THE ENGINEER TO DOCUMENT AND GIVE US DIRECTIVES SO WE CAN FILE THE LAWSUIT.

YEAH, WELL THEY'RE GONNA BE OUT OF BUSINESS BEFORE YOU GET THERE ANYWAY.

WELL, THAT'S PROBABLY TRUE TOO.

SO, I MEAN, WE NEED TO FIX THE PROBLEM.

BUT WE'VE, I MEAN, JOHN, WHAT'S YOUR OFFICE MILES? WHAT? YEAH, WHAT'S YOUR MECHANIC'S OFFICE? WHAT, WHAT TEMPERATURE ARE THEY WORKING AT? OURS ABOUT 95.

MY ASSISTANT STAYS ASSISTANT OVER THERE.

THINK A LOT OF THE PROBLEM GETS BACK TO THE CONTRACTOR JUST SIMPLY DID NOT FOLLOW THE CLAIM.

AND I MEAN, I I I'M JUST FLOORED THAT WE'VE SPENT THIS MUCH MONEY, THIS MUCH TIME, THIS MUCH COMPLAINTS AND WE CAN'T GET IT FIXED.

THAT QUESTION, WOULD YOU? NOT THAT I INSULATION, UH, IS IT POSSIBLE TO BE INS ADDING THAT'S AIR.

THE WHOLE PROBLEM IS IT'S NOT MOVING ENOUGH AIR THAT THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE EITHER BECAUSE EITHER THE WAY IT'S SECTIONED, THE WAY IT'S BUILT, LIKE, LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, THREE SEPARATE BUILDINGS.

WELL, I MEAN WE WENT, WE WENT THROUGH THE, WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF, OF THE BUILDING WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE A ROOF IN.

WELL THEY PUT THE ROOF IN ON, BUT THEY DIDN'T CUT ANY SLOTS FOR US.

SO NOW WE, WE VENTED, NOW WE GOT THE CEILING VENT, WE GOT THE ROOF IN IT.

THEN WE HAD A VENT IN THE END OF, OF THE BUILDING THAT THEY PUT IN INCORRECTLY OR WHATEVER.

WE'VE FIXED THAT.

WE HAD TO MOVE THE, LIKE I SAID, EVERY TIME WE, YOU KNOW, IT IS JUST A YEAH, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE PIECEMEALING WE'RE PIECE PIECEMEALING IT TOGETHER.

I MEAN IT BOTTOM LINE LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, WE'VE GOT AN AIRFLOW PROBLEM.

IT'S NOT RETURNING ENOUGH AIR AND TURNING THE AIR OVER.

NO, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY CAME UP YESTERDAY TO KEEP THE WARRANTY OUTTA.

IT'S, IT'S NOT PUSHING ENOUGH AIR INTO THE FORMS. AND SO HELL, I BROUGHT A RECORD.

I KNOW THAT.

WELL, AND THAT'S, SO WHEN WE, WE, IT HASN'T BEEN PIECE MILL, I WOULD SAY IT'S BEEN SYSTEMATIC.

WE REALIZED VERY QUICKLY WE WEREN'T VENTING ANY OF THE HEAT OUT OF THE BUILDING, WHICH WAS CREATING CONDENSATION AROUND THE LINES.

SO WE CUT THAT REGIMENT.

WE THEN TOOK THE BAFFLING AND THE, THE DUCT WORK, WHICH HAD BEEN PRESS UP AGAINST THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

IT WAS LEAKING.

YOU COULD LITERALLY JUST SQUEEZE IT AND WATER WOULD RUN OUT, MOVE THAT OUT, REHUNG IT THE WAY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE UNDER THE PLANS AND RE INSULATED THAT.

WE'VE ADDED INSULATION WHERE THERE WAS SUPPOSED INSULATION CALLED ONE OF THE PLANS THAT WASN'T INSTALLED.

THE PROBLEM IS IT JUST FEELS LIKE WE HAVE MAYBE TOO MANY UNITS THAT ARE EITHER UNDERSIZED OR OVERSIZED AND NOT IN THE RIGHT ZONES.

AND I

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IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S OVERSIZED, IT'S NOT RUNNING LONG ENOUGH AND THAT, THAT WORD GOT USED.

I KNOW I HAVE ONE, ONE UNIT THAT'S RUNNING AT 64 DEGREES, BUT IT'S SET LIKE YESTERDAY UP UNTIL NOON IT WAS SET TO 75.

AND I CAN'T FOR LIKE, WE FIGURE OUT WHY THAT UNIT WOULD RUN UNTIL IT WOULD BE 64 DEGREES IN A ROOM.

BUT JUST ACROSS THE HALL, I CAN'T GET IT DOWN TO 74.

UM, SO IT'S WEIRD.

IT'S, I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT, HONEST, IT'S, THIS HAS BEEN THE SAME COMPANY THAT INSTALLED IT THAT KEEPS COMING BACK.

NO, NO, NO.

SO WE'VE BEEN THROUGH PROBABLY FOUR FROM THE START OF THE PROJECTION FROM THE START OF THE PROJECT IN TERMS OF H V A C PLUMBING.

WE, THEY, THE WARRANTIES WERE FAILED TO BE HONORED BECAUSE THEY WERE, THEY DID NOT GET PAID BY THE ORIGINAL CONTACT GC.

SO, UH, THE PEOPLE THAT WE HAD TO COME OUT THE INSTALLATION CAME OUT A COUPLE TIMES, QUITE FRANKLY MADE THE SITUATION WORSE.

AND THEN THEY REFUSED.

THEY WEREN'T PAID SO THEY REFUSED TO COME BACK, WHICH WAS A BLESSING IN DISGUISE.

WE WENT OUT AND GOT ANOTHER CONTRACTOR.

WE HAD, IN ADDITION TO THE H V A C ISSUES, WHEN THIS FIRST OPENED, WE HAD PLUMBING ISSUES AT THE YIN YANG.

SO WE DIDN'T, WE WEREN'T SURE WHETHER THE WATER INITIALLY WAS COMING FROM THE PLUMBING ISSUES OR WAS IT COMING FROM THE H V A C.

WE ISOLATED IT NOW TO THE CONDENSATION RELATED HVAC.

IT'S THE CLUSTER.

IT IS LITERALLY AN YEAH, I THINK YES.

YEAH, WE'VE HAD THE SAME AC CONTRACTOR OVER THE LAST TWO, THREE YEARS.

BUT THE PLUMBING STUFF WE GOT, WE GOT WORKED OUT FAIRLY QUICKLY.

UM, THAT WAS AN EASY FIX.

WE, UM, MOST OF THE ISSUES THAT WE RAN INTO INITIALLY MOVING IN THERE WERE QUICK, QUICKLY IDENTIFIED AND EASILY FIXED UNTIL WE HIT THE AC WALL AND WE JUST CANNOT SEE WHAT AC CONTRACTOR WERE WE USING.

WERE YOU UH, SOLUTIONS? MECHANICAL WHO SOLUTIONS? MECHANICAL SOLUTIONS.

MECHANICAL SOLUTIONS.

SOLUTIONS.

MECHANICAL.

THE PD, WE HAD TO HAVE IT FIXED BY NOW.

WELL THAT AIN'T GOING FIT .

SO ARE WE MAKING REPAIRS BASED ON, I KNOW WE, WE HAVE ENGINEERS COME IN.

SO ARE WE DOING REPAIRS BASED ON WHAT THE ENGINEERS ARE SAYING? CORRECT.

BUT WHAT THE CONTRACTOR THAT'S COMING OUT TO LOOK AT IT.

WELL, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BOTH.

IT'S A LITTLE OF BOTH.

SO THE ENGINEER WANTED US TO PUT IN THE, UH, MOISTURE MONITORS, THE, AND THEN THE THERMOSTATS, PROB WE ALSO HAD TO RELOCATE EVERY, JUST ABOUT EVERY THERMOSTAT WITHIN THE BUILDING IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

WE'VE LOCATED THAT SO MANY TIMES.

POLICE DEPARTMENT, IF YOU COME TO THE BUILDING, THEY'LL BE ABLE, SHE BROUGHT, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T CATCH A SINGLE POINT WHERE THE TEMPERATURE MATCHES WHAT THE SYSTEM SAYS IT'S RUNNING.

AND THAT'S STILL THAT WAY.

THEY GOT UP GARY YESTERDAY, RIGHT.

THAT WHEN THE SENSORS IS NOT SHOWING THE RIGHT HUMIDITY, THE SENSOR FOR THE, THAT SHOWS THE AMOUNT OF HUMIDITY TO UPSTAIRS.

WHAT WAS IT WAS SHOWING ON THEIR SYSTEM.

70 AND 68 ON THE OTHER UNIT SEVEN WE TOOK UP THERE HUMIDITY IT WAS 58%.

SO HUMIDITY NOT RUNNING TOO HIGH.

THERE'S JUST, THE SENSORS ARE NOT WORKING CORRECTLY FOR THOSE TWO UNITS UP THERE.

WHICH MAKES YOU BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE OF THAT, THERE THERE'S, THERE'S, SO I THINK NOTIFICATION SYSTEM'S NOT GONNA WORK CORRECTLY, RIGHT? THERE'S SO MANY PROBLEMS IT STILL HAVE NOT GOT FIXED THAT WORKING ON, RIGHT NOW WE NEED SERVER HUMIDITY, UH, SERVER UNITS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ADEQUATE.

WE'RE RUNNING SPOT COVERS IN THERE.

WE HAVE TO KEEP A DOOR OPEN, PUSH AIR THROUGH THAT HALL OF CERTAIN PLACE AROUND, THROUGH THAT DOOR, THROUGH A HOLE IN A WALL, TWO HOLES IN A WALL INTO THAT SERVER ROOM TO KEEP BURNING THE SERVICE UP.

WE NEED SEE, AWARE OF IT, WE NEED UNITS IN THERE THAT ARE AT TAKE CARE OF THAT BUILDING.

THAT WILL HELP THAT UPSTAIRS COOLING SYSTEM.

I'VE GOT FENCES COMING FOR THE THREE SLEEPING DOORS DORMS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, THE COMMERCE SIDE.

I'M GONNA PUT TWO FOOT TWO FOOTS IN THERE SO WE CAN KEEP THAT AIR CIRCULATING BETTER.

THIS, IT'S A WORK PROGRESS.

WE'VE BEEN THAT BUILDING TO THE OTHER, WHEN I FIRST TOOK OVER THE BUILDING THE AIR SYSTEM IN THERE, ONE THE OTHER WAS BLEEDING WATER ALL OVER THAT BUILDING.

IT WAS A MESS.

WE'VE BEEN, WE HAVE COME A LONG WAYS AND WE'RE NOT THERE YET.

SO THERE'S THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE.

WE JUST NEED TO GET, GET IT DONE.

WE'RE WORKING WITH IT.

I I I'M NOT KNOCKING YOUR EFFORTS BY NO MEANS.

I'M JUST SAYING IF THIS WAS GOING ON AT

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WELL IF THIS, WHEN IT WAS, I, I'M SORRY.

I'M A PROBLEM SOLVER SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT GETS STRETCHED THIS LONG.

AND IF WE'RE USING THE SAME PERSON OR THE SAME COMPANY AND, AND TRYING TO BE RETROSPECT, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS STAIR-STEPPING PROCESS.

CAUSE THERE'S NO WAY THAT I COULD DO THAT HAUL IN A CAR IS TAKE THREE DAYS AND GET IT FROM A TO B BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M DOING THE FIRST TIME.

SO I, I I GUESS I GET IT.

IT SOUNDS REALLY FRUSTRATING TO Y'ALL AND TO Y'ALL AND TO Y'ALL THAT THIS CRAP AIN'T FIXED YET SINCE 2018.

THAT, THAT BLOWS MY MIND.

IT WAS, UH, WELL THE PART OF THE REASON THAT IT HASN'T BEEN FIXED SINCE 2018 IS BECAUSE WHEN IT FIRST STARTED OCCURRING, IT WAS UNDER WARRANTY AND WE WERE RELYING ON THE, THE CONTRACTOR AND THEIR PERSONNEL.

BUT AFTER IT GOT OUT OF WARRANTY, THAT OF COURSE THEY SAID, GUESS WHAT UP YOUR GAZOO.

SO NOW WE'RE HAVING TO TRY TO GO IN THERE AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY DID AND, AND, AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE JERRY TRIES WE'RE STEPPING OVER DOLLARS, PICKING UP I BUG FOR JERRY EVERY SINGLE DAY.

AND I, WE HAVE A GRANDSON.

WHEN THAT BUILDING WAS DESIGNED, IT WAS DESIGNED TO HAVE A FENCE PUT AT THE OVER THE TOP.

THE DECKING WAS TRIMMED ALL THE WAY AIRTIGHT AT THE TOP OF THAT BUILDING.

SO NOW WE START ONE END OF THE BUILDING TO THE OTHER END OF THE BUILDING, TAKING TRIED TO FIX, TRIED TO FIX THE DESIGN FLAW GROUNDS.

YOU LOOKED, CONSTRUCTION FLAW THE DOCKS LOOKED LIKE DOS, LOOKED LIKE ROUND HOLES.

AND THOSE VENTS THAT WERE UP THERE, IT WERE SOLID.

SO WE TOOK ALL THAT OFF WITH THE PROPER CUT.

THE, UH, PLYWOOD BACK, DECKING BACK.

FAR ENOUGH AIR MOVING, MOVING OUT.

I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND YOUR AGGRAVATION AND, AND OUR PIECE BY PIECE FIX.

BUT WITH ALL DUE HONESTY, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE BUILDING A HOUSE AND GETTING TO POINT A AND THEN DOING IT WRONG AND COMING BACK AND DOING IT RIGHT.

THERE'S SOMEBODY, THERE'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN KIND OF GET A CONTINUOUS GAME PLAN TO FIX.

WELL THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S, SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE STARTED TO PLAN ON MEDIATION, THAT WAS THE GAME PLAN.

THE PROBLEM IS, IS IT'S BUILDING FROM SCRATCH AS YOU KNOW, IS MUCH EASIER THAN COMING BACK AND FIXING.

AND SO IT'S LIKE WE FIX ONE THING AND THINGS GO STEADY FOR A LITTLE WHILE AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT POPS UP OVER HERE.

THAT'S THE WEIRD PART THAT IT EVER GOES STEADY AT ALL.

IF IT'S STILL NOT WORKING PROPERLY.

AND IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THOSE DEALS WHERE WE GET, YOU LOOK AT LIKE THE ELECTRICAL, YOU COULD PULL THE PLUG BOX, THE PLUG BOXES OFF WHILE AND THERE, PUT YOUR FINGER IN THERE.

THERE'S MOISTURE.

WELL WE'VE GOT THAT HAD IT RESOLVED AND THEN WE WERE RIGHT BACK TWO WEEKS AGO, EARLIER THIS WEEK WHERE WE WERE.

SO I WOULD ASSUME THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER UNIT THAT'S NOT WORKING PROPERLY.

IS THAT THREE RIGHT NOW? UNITS THREE, SIX, AND SEVEN.

SO IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD FIND, BECAUSE I KNOW SINCE THE AC IS TAKING SO LONG TO BE FIXED, IS THERE ANY OTHER OPTION LIKE GETTING LIKE A DUCTLESS? I KNOW LIKE SAMSUNG MAKES THESE LITTLE AC UNITS, SO AT LEAST TO GET A COUPLE OF ROOMS. SO WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT SPOT COOLERS RUNNING.

SO AND JERRY, IS THAT WHAT THE SPOT COOLERS ARE? THAT'S CORRECT.

YEAH, THEY'RE IN THE SERVER ROOM.

BUILD THIS, IT WOULD GO UP QUICK TOO WET.

WE'VE HAD TO MOVE THOSE INTO THE SERVER ROOM.

WELL THAT'S NOT GONNA HELP Y'ALL WHEN Y'ALL ARE SLEEPING THOUGH.

OKAY, SO, SO NO, NO.

SO THAT AGGRAVATES THE YEAH, THAT ACTUALLY AGGRAVATES THE ISSUE.

UM, BECAUSE YOU END UP THOSE THAT CREATE HEAT WHILE THEY BLOW.

COOL.

THEY ALSO CREATE HEAT AND MOISTURE IN OTHER SPOTS.

WE'VE HAD TO INSTALL THE SPOT HEATERS INTO THE SERVER ROOM TO KEEP THAT COOL.

SO OUR MASTER CONTROL UNIT, EVERYTHING RELATED TO THE CITY'S OPERATIONS, OUR FIBER, EVERYTHING IS CONTROLLED OUT OF THAT SERVER ROOM.

MM-HMM .

AND WE ARE DOING OUR BEST EVERY DAY TO KEEP IT AT 75, WHICH IS NOT HEALTHY.

IT NEEDS TO BE 68 AND 70.

SO WE'VE GOT AN UNDERSIZED UNIT WHICH IS INSTALLED ORIGINALLY, PLUS THREE SPOT COOLERS.

NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE'VE CHANGED THE WALLS OUT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A NEW UNIT IN.

WE'VE BUDGETED FOR THAT IN THIS BUDGET.

BUT IT'S, YOU JUST KEEP, IT FEELS LIKE GONNA SAY IT IS LIKE PLAYING WITH A TAR BABY FROM BRA RAPID.

YOU PUNCH ONE SPOT AND YOU'RE STUCK AND THEN YOU PUNCH ANOTHER SPOT AND YOU'RE STUCK AND THEN YOU GO KICK IT, TRY TO PRY YOURSELF OUT AND YOU'RE STUCK.

AND IT'S JUST BEEN THAT SITUATION NOW FOR AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN HERE.

AND SO WE'VE TRIED TO BE SYSTEMATIC, I DON'T KNOW, SORT OF RUNNING A TRUCK THROUGH IT, WHICH I, YOU KNOW, HEY, IF IT HAPPENS, IT HAPPENS.

OR SEEING JUST THE DOOR, JUST THE DOORS.

WAIT, DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THE DOORS PLEASE.

WELL WHAT ABOUT, OH YEAH, THE DOORS WEREN'T EVEN WORKING THE OTHER DAY.

I WENT TO, I THINK THE BUILDER'S HAUNTED.

WELL I THINK THERE MIGHT BE AN ANCIENT NATIVE AMERICAN SITE UNDERNEATH DOORS AS WELL.

UH, DID BRING THOUGH.

ITS JED, WE LONG TIME WE

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BUT WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS? IT'S WET WHERE EMS IS SLEEPING DIESEL BECAUSE WHAT, WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS? LIKE WE CAN, WHAT ABOUT A MINI SPLIT? YOU CAN'T INSTALL A MINI SPLIT SOMEWHERE WHERE IT'S YOU JUST, SO THERE'S A MINI SPLIT IN THE SERVER ROOM.

THAT MIGHT AS WELL NOT EVEN BE THERE.

LIKE IT'S NOT.

WELL WHAT IT DOES IS IT ENDS UP PUSHING THE HEAT BACK OUT INTO THE HALLWAY, WHICH THEN AFFECTS, IT COMPOUNDS.

THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO WAY TO INSTALL MINI SPLIT WHERE THE HEAT'S GOING OUTSIDE.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

THE, THE PEOPLE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE EXAMINING THE HESTER BUILDING HAVE, HAVE WE HAD THEM LOOK AT THAT BUILDING HDR? NO, NO.

WE HAD UH, WE HAD A FORENSIC ENGINEER, MR. WALINSKI TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND WE CAN HIRE JOHN OR ASK JOHN IF THEY WILL COME TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

JUST HAVE I SAY GET SOME MORE EYES ON IT.

WHEN YOU GO TO THE DOCTOR, THEY TELL YOU SOMETHING'S WRONG WITH YOU AND YOU DON'T THINK THAT WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU GET A SECOND OPINION.

, I'LL SAY HIS SECOND OPINION.

HE WAS THE SECOND OPINION TO THE INITIAL FOLKS FROM, I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE COMPANY NOW, BUT HE WAS OUR SECOND OPINION.

YEAH, WELL LET'S, LET'S BRING THOSE, BRING THOSE CATS IN, LET 'EM LET THEM LOOK AT IT.

LET THEM SEE IF THEY TELL US WHAT'S WRONG.

WHAT WAS THE REASON OR WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO FIX IT.

DID THEY DO A GOOD JOB AT THE STER BUILDING? IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE INITIAL, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE EOC.

SO DARREN ENGINEER NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR, BUT TABLE WERE MEET.

SO THE ROOM IS, THERE NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST DOUBLE THE SIZE THAT IT IS.

THIS IS MY BEST SITTING IN THERE GENERATING MORE HEAT.

SO I THINK THE LONG TERM PLAN IS WALK THAT WALL OUT, MAKE IT A LITTLE BIGGER.

WE DO THANK FOR FOR TWO DAYS.

YOU COULD MAKE THAT YOUR, WE'VE ACTUALLY, YEAH, SO TURN THE EOC.

WE'VE GONE TO A BASIC LABEL VIRTUAL.

SO WE WE THAT WE FIGURED THAT PART OUT.

MOVING THE SERVICE A LITTLE BIT MORE TO IT.

JUST THE RAN SPECIFICALLY RAN THERE WALKING THE WALL OUT.

I THINK IN THE SCOPE OF ALL THAT, BUILDING ISSUES WILL BE THE EASIEST THING.

YOU JUST WALK IT OUT, IT DOUBLES THE SIZE OR EVEN TRIPLE I TALKED COLLE THINK IT BE TRIPLE THE SIZE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT.

IT'S GONNA BE RATHER, WHICH IS GREAT.

IT NEEDS TO BE AND IT WILL BE EASIER, IT'LL BE MORE EASY TO COOL THAT ROOM, WHICH WILL BE THAT END OF THAT PROBLEM WITH THE, THE, THE SERVER.

THE ISSUE IS THAT WAS GONNA HAVE ITS OWN INDEPENDENT AC BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE PULLED.

IT'S THAT IMPORTANT.

NOT REALLY GONNA BE MUCH FOR US ON THE OTHER END OF AND FLOOR AND INDEPENDENT TO BE CUT OFF FROM ANY WATER OR ANY OF THAT.

THAT'S WHY THAT GOOD.

ALRIGHT.

SORRY, LET'S GET TO THE BUDGET.

BUDGET.

INCLUDE SOME CONTINUED REMEDIATION ON THOSE EFFORTS.

WE DID, YEAH.

SAW THAT TAKING THE WALL OUT.

UM, AND THEN, UH, THE OTHER MAJOR CHANGE TO THE BUDGET THIS YEAR IS THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT AS MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, THEY DO HAVE AN AMBULANCE IN HERE, UH, UNIT, WHAT WAS 12 THREE? SO UNIT 1203.

THE LAST TIME THAT WE REMOUNTED THE TRUCK WAS IN LIKE OH SEVEN.

UM, THAT MAYBE GOT A NEW FRONT CHASSIS.

THE, THE BOX ITSELF IS FROM LIKE OH THREE, SO IT CAN NO LONGER BE REMOUNTED.

SO THE AC DOESN'T WORK IN THE FRONT, AC DOESN'T WORK IN THE BACK.

WE'VE SENT IT FOUR JOBS.

GUYS HAVE TRIED EVERYTHING UNDER THE MOON.

WE'VE HAD THEM REPLACE THE EXHAUST SYSTEM IN THAT TRUCK, WHICH TOOK MONTHS AND ABOUT $6,000 AND IT'S ALREADY TRYING TO REGENERATE AGAIN.

SO IT'S A DONE DEAL.

SO, UH, WITH THE HEAT GOING ON AND THE STATE REGULATIONS ON HOW, UH, WHAT THE TEMPERATURE CAN BE WITH A, THE MEDICATIONS AND THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE IN THE BACK AND THEN JUST PUTTING A HUMAN BEING BACK.

THERE'S ALREADY A MEDICAL EMERGENCY PLUS NOW IT'S 110.

THE BACK OF THE TRUCK, I'VE TAKEN THAT TRUCK OUT SERVICE.

IF WE GET CAUGHT WITH THE PATIENT IN THE BACK OF THAT TRUCK, THEY'LL FIND US THE STAPLE.

SO THAT TRUCK IS NOW JUST SITTING IN THERE.

UM, CAN WE OPERATE WITH TWO MAYBE, BUT THAT MEANS IF ONE GOES TO GET AN OIL CHANGE, NOW WE ONLY HAVE ONE AND WE'RE RELYING ON OUR, UH, BROTHERS AND SISTERS TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH TO COVER OUR CITIZENS, WHICH WE NEVER LIKE TO DO.

UM, IF ONE GOES DOWN FOR ANY REASON, UH, IF WE HAVE A PR EVENT, MOSQUITO FEST, LIKE THIS MOSQUITO FEST, WE'RE GONNA BE RUNNING ON A SKELETON CREW BECAUSE EVERYONE WHO'S COVERING THE CITY IS GONNA HAVE TO COME, UM, RUN AND FUNCTION OUT OF THE PARK.

CAUSE I DON'T HAVE A THIRD UNIT TO, TO PUT THERE AND, UM, DEDICATE TO THEM.

SO WE REALLY DO NEED TO REPLACE ALL THREE.

IT'S JUST, IT IS JUST, IT HAS SERVED, ITS, ITS CITIZENS WORLD IS NOT TO PUT INTO ITS RETIREMENT.

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AND YOU, YOU, OH, SORRY.

UH, BUT YOU SAID YOU HAVEN'T LOST ANY OF YOUR EMPLOYEES.

UH, I GOT NO I, WE HAVE HAD THE SAME ONE OPENING FOR ABOUT A YEAR WE'RE WITH, UM, THE CHIEF AND MOST PUBLIC SAFETY WHERE WE WOULD RATHER HIRE QUALITY OVER QUANTITY.

SO MY GUYS HAVE BEEN HANDLING THAT ONE OPENING FOR A WHILE.

WE DID LOSE ONE OF YOU, UH, MONTHS AGO, BUT NOT BECAUSE, UH, WE THREE, UM, WE DID.

AND SO, NO, WE'VE BEEN HOLDING STRONG WITH RECRUITMENT.

WE'VE HAD, UH, WE'RE IN MUCH BETTER SHAPE THAN MOST OF THE OTHER EMS IN THE AREA.

WE'RE NOW A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PEOPLE.

SO, AND I WILL SAY ALONG THE SAME LINES AS RECRUITING FOR POLICE CADETS, ALTHOUGH NOT THE SAME STIGMA OR I GUESS SOCIAL AWARENESS WITH MEDICS, THE PROBLEM IS NOW THAT YOU CAN GO SPEND AS MUCH TIME, GET THE SAME AS MUCH TRAINING AND BECOME A FLOOR NURSE MAKING WHO KNOWS WHAT WITH LESS HOURS, OR I CAN COME WORK IN THE PRESSURE COOKER, TAKES THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT OF TIME TO BE A NURSE AS IT DOES BE A PARAMEDIC FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS, UM, WITH A DIFFERENCE IN ABOUT THREE TIMES THE HOUR.

SO MOST PEOPLE WERE JUST STRUGGLING TO GET PEOPLE TO DO THIS FOR LIVING WITH A PAY, UM, WORSE THAN EVER, I THINK SHIFTED EVERYTHING.

SO, BUT WE'VE BEEN STRONG WITH THE CREW.

WE HAVE, THEY DO A FANTASTIC JOB OF COVERING THEIR SHIFTS OF COMING IN, COVERING THEIR SHIFTS, AND THEN COMING BACK AFTER THEY'VE GOTTEN OFF.

THEY COVER PR EVENTS CAUSE WE ALSO COVER PR EVENTS, SO COVER THEIR EMAILS ANYTIME THEY HAVE EVENT THERE, WE SEND A CHART OVER THERE.

SO THOSE GUYS KNOCKED OUT PARK AND I, I MEAN, I'VE GOT NO COMPLAINTS FOR THEM.

WE DO HAVE A PARAMEDIC COMING IN MONDAY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WHICH WILL HELP TO FILL ONE OF THOSE POSITIONS.

AND SO PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

I WOULD ADD THIS, UH, WE WERE TALKING WITH OUR GOOD FRIENDS AT RICHWOOD BECAUSE IT'S THAT TIME OF THE DECADE AGAIN TO RENEGOTIATE THAT CONTRACT.

AND WE'VE ALREADY GOT GIVEN THEM THE HEADS UP THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE BASED ON COST.

UH, FOR SOME REASON THEY SEEM TO THINK THEY WERE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO INDEPENDENT BILLING.

THEY WERE UNDER, I THINK, UM, THEY JUST WEREN'T AWARE OF HOW THE SYSTEM WORKED AND HOW IT WORKED BETWEEN US AND THEM AND US AND OUR OWN CITIZENS.

THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THEIR CITIZENS' BILLS EVERY TIME, ALL THE TIME.

AND SO I I, WE DID, WE, I DISCUSSED SOME THINGS WITH THEIR FINANCE DIRECT DIRECTOR.

I THINK I ANSWERED SOME OF HER QUESTIONS THAT SHE WAS WAY UNAWARE OF.

SO I'M NOT TOO SURE HOW IT'S GONNA GO FROM THIS POINT.

BUT THEY MEET MONDAY, SHE SAID, SO THAT WE WOULD HEAR BACK AFTER THAT.

AND I TALKED WITH BRIEFLY AND APPRECIATED THE FACT THAT WE WERE TRYING TO EDUCATE THEM A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

YEAH, I MEAN SHE WAS, SHE WAS VERY, SHE JUST, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY EVER EXPLAINED TO HER EXACTLY HOW IT WORKS.

BUT, AND JUST TO CLARIFY MORE COUNSEL, WE BILL, BUT THEY DON'T, IF THE INSURANCE DOESN'T PAY, WE DON'T.

SO HOW IT WORKS, AND YOU KNOW, THERE ARE MEDICARE RULES SAYING WE GO ONE WAY.

YOU HAVE TO BILL ANOTHER, UH, IF YOU BILL ONE PERSON ONE WAY, YOU HAVE TO BILL ANOTHER PERSON THE SAME WAY.

YOU CAN'T, UM, PICK AND CHOOSE.

SO WE BILL EVERYONE.

I DON'T THINK SO.

EVERYONE GETS A BILL.

IF YOUR INSURANCE PAYS GREAT.

UM, WE ALL KNOW INSURANCE DOESN'T PAY LIKE IT USED TO, BUT NOT PAYS SOMETHING.

ONCE THAT'S OVER WITH, THEN THAT'S DONE.

WE DON'T AGGRESSIVELY BILL, WE DON'T SEND YOU TO COLLECTIONS.

NO ONE'S GONNA HOUND YOU OVER IT IF YOU GET A SECOND BILL OR EVEN A THIRD.

IT'S JUST A CYCLE THAT THE BILLING COMPANY HAS.

AND A LOT OF TIMES IT'S BECAUSE THE PATIENT, UM, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY BILLING INFORMATION WHEN WE TRANSPORTED THE PATIENT.

UM, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE SEEKING THAT INFORMATION OUT.

A IF YOU HAVE INSURANCE, SEND THAT IN TO US.

BUT WE WRITE THAT OFF AND WE WRITE OUT, WRITE OFF WELL OVER A MILLION DOLLARS.

THIS, THIS IS FOR RICHWOOD OR FOR FOR BOTH.

FOR BOTH.

THIS, FOR BOTH.

STAIRS AND MARKED ITSELF DOWN THE STAIRS.

THIS IS FOR BOTH WHAT RICHWOOD AND LEE JACKSON.

I MEAN, RICHWOOD INCLUDE, AND THAT IS HOW LAKE JACKSON DOES IT.

THAT'S HOW FREEPORT DOES IT.

UM, WE SEND THAT BILL, WE GET WHAT WE CAN GET FROM INSURANCE.

THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS THAT INSURANCE NOT TO POUND THE CITIZEN OR EVEN A NON CITIZEN TO BE HONEST.

SO THIS IS NOT A MONEY MAKING INSURANCE, IT'S JUST A RECOUP WHAT IT COSTS THE CITY, THE REST OF THE, I THINK THAT'S IT.

I MEAN, WE ASKED FOR A CARDIAC MONITOR TO GO ON THE NEW TRUCK.

UM, THAT WAS A DUAL PURPOSE, UM, TO, UH, REPLACE, PUT ONE ONTO THE UNIT AND WE WILL TAKE THE ONE THAT'S ON THE EXISTING UNIT, WHICH IS STILL FUNCTIONING AND WE'LL PUT IT IN MY COMMAND UNIT.

THAT WAY WHEN WE'RE FIRST RESPONDING TO THE COMMAND UNIT, THERE'S A CARDIAC MONITOR IN THERE.

UM, I CUT EVERYTHING ELSE.

WE HAD ASKED FOR SOME OTHER THINGS, BUT, UM, I UNDERSTANDING WHERE WE'RE AT THIS YEAR.

SO WE JUST WENT, TOOK THOSE OUT.

AND THESE ARE THE, THE NITTY GRITTY OF WHAT WE NEEDED.

THEY DID HAVE A WHOLE CHAIR LIFT THING THAT I WENT GO FOR WHEN I WAS IN THE BACK OF THE BOX.

IT WAS AUTOMATIC.

IT JUST MARKED ITSELF UP THE

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BUT IT WAS NOT DEEP.

NICE.

AND IT WAS A WANT, NOT A DEEP.

SO WE, TO HIS SADNESS, UM, WE TOOK IT OUT.

SO THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU AND YOUR TEAM ARE DOING.

20,000 GALLONS OF FROM B AT THE SAME TIME.

SO WE ARE LEAVING THE AMBULANCE IN HERE.

THAT IS OUR REQUEST.

YES, MA'AM.

I WILL SAY, GINGER, YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB EVER SINCE YOU'VE TAKEN OVER THE DEPARTMENT.

DO WE WANNA TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF A BREAK? OH, DAMN.

I GUESS, YES.

WELL SEE.

AND I HAD IT BECAUSE I WAS PART OF THE, THE HISPANIC ONE WITH ROSIE.

YOU READY? DOING THINGS? AND NOW THAT THEY'RE NOT AND WE'RE UP NEXT, WE HAVE, UH, PUBLIC WORKS.

UH, JOHN HAS A, HAS A PREPARED STATEMENT.

I ASKED HIM TO SING IT.

UH, BACKED UP BY BANJO.

HE'S BRING BANJO, BUT HE WAS GONNA HAVE BACKUP SINGERS AND I DON'T SEE THEM EITHER.

WHAT'S GOING ON, MAN? WELL, THE THING IS, CJ IS WRITING THIS.

ASK FOR A COUPLE MINUTES TO, TO UH, GO OVER A FEW THINGS.

AND I, I WORKED ON THE BAND AND THE, AND THE ACTORS AND EVERYTHING, BUT THE BAND GOT STUCK AT THE AIRPORT AND ACTORS STRIKE.

DO WE STILL HAVE LASER? WE STILL GET THE LASER LIGHTS.

SHOW THOUGH.

IF WE COULD TURN OFF THE LIGHTS FOR A MINUTE.

I DID ASK FOR A COUPLE MINUTES JUST TO GO OVER A FEW THINGS I KNOW WITH ALL OF US ASKING TO BE, UH, CUT BACK ON OUR, OUR BUDGETS AND EVERYTHING MAKES IT MORE CHALLENGING, UH, TO GO FORWARD.

AND I KNOW EARLIER THE STATE, UH, TAKING THINGS FROM US, UH, AT THE SAME TIME FROM BACK, ASKING US IN AREAS THAT AFFECT US IN THE PUBLIC WORKS.

UH, I WANNA GO OVER A FEW THINGS REAL QUICK, WHICH MAY ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTION ASK.

WE HAVE BASICALLY DEPART STREETS AND DRAINAGE, WATER, WASTEWATER, SANITATION, UH, AND STREETS AND DRAINAGE, WHICH ALSO INCLUDES THE WATER WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT.

THERE ARE A TOTAL OF 15 POSITIONS AT THE CURRENT TIME.

WE HAVE TWO OPEN POSITIONS, ONE OF WHICH WAS, WAS BEING HELD.

UH, DURING THE LAST PROCESS OF THE BUDGET, AT LEAST THROUGH MARCH.

WE FILLED, WE HAD ONE JUST VACATED.

SO WE HAVE TWO OF POSITIONS, UH, IN THOSE TWO DEPARTMENTS.

SANITATION, THERE'S A TOTAL OF NINE POSITIONS.

UH, RIGHT NOW WE ARE STAFFED THERE.

THERE'S ZERO OPENINGS.

THE SERVICE CENTER, WHICH BASICALLY INCLUDES FLEET AND THE UH, UH, SUPERVISOR AND SANITATION SUPERVISOR, THERE'S FOUR IN THAT DEPARTMENT.

THERE'S NO OPENING THERE AS WELL.

PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR STREETS AND DRAIN WATERWAY, WATER, SANITATION, MAINTENANCE, BUILDING, UH, SANITATION.

AND I TOOK SOME STAFFS BASED ON THE PAST YEAR FROM THIS, UH, THIS TIME, BASICALLY LAST YEAR THROUGH JUNE OF THIS YEAR.

AND THE SANITATION DEPARTMENT, THE COMMERCIAL TOTAL LOADS, WHICH IS SIDE COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS, WE PICKED UP A TOTAL OF 18,000 YARD ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, WHICH IS YOUR REAR LOADER, WHICH IS ONE THAT COMES IN YOUR AREAS TWICE A WEEK.

UH, THERE WAS A TOTAL OF 10,000 7 22 CUBIC YARDS.

AND THE HEAVY HAUL, WHICH IS YOUR BRUSH CREWS, WHICH THEY GO BY ZONE.

THERE WAS A TOTAL OF 30 1006 49 CUBIC YARDS.

THE TRASH PICKED UP OVER THE PAST YEAR.

DO THE MATH ON THAT.

HOW MANY TIMES YOU GO TO LANDFILL? MOSTLY THESE LIKE 20 A2, SIX CIC YARD TRUCK.

SO YOU DO THE MATH TO SEE HOW MUCH WE THE LANDFILL, THESE THINGS.

UH, THE SERVICE FROM 7 22 THROUGH 6 23, WHICH HANDLES THE FLEET MOSTLY.

THERE'S ABOUT 7 91 WORK ORDERS, COMPLET.

NOW, THIS ISN'T EVERYTHING.

THIS IS JUST WHAT WE BEEN ABLE TO TRACK, UH, WITH THE STREETS AND DRAINAGE, WATER WASTE, WATER SANITATION AND MAINTENANCE THROUGH THE INCO SYSTEM.

YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A WAY OF PUTTING THOSE IN THERE.

THERE WAS A TOTAL, TOTAL NUMBER OF WATERS FROM, UH, JULY OF LAST YEAR THROUGH JUNE 6,000, 3 46.

WORK ORDERS COMPLETED.

UM, OTHER ORDERS TRACK, YOU CAN'T TRACK THOSE ON THE, SO THIS, THIS WAS JUST WAS TRACKED THROUGH THE SYSTEM.

UH, ON, ON THE WATER SIDE OF IT.

WE TAKE WATER IN FROM B W AND WE DISTRIBUTE WATER BACK INTO THE SYSTEM.

I TOOK THE NUMBERS FROM 7 22 THROUGH 6 23 FROM B, WE TOOK A TOTAL OF 4, 7, 6

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SYSTEM DISTRIBUTION.

WHAT WE PUT BACK INTO THE SYSTEM WAS 508 MILLION, 40,000, FIVE 80,000 GALLONS, GALLONS OF WATER.

THERE'S VARIANCE THERE.

THAT ALSO COULD BE FROM INPUT.

WE, WE TAKE WATER IN, BUT WE RUN ABOUT 98% SURFACE WATER.

UH, THE REMAINDER OF IT MAY BE FROM, UH, WELLS OR FROM JUST THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT'S IN THE STORAGE TANK, THE SYSTEM WITH REGARDS TO BSF.

WE ALSO HAVE RECLAIMED WATER THAT WE SEND TO BSF, UH, FROM THE WASTEWATER PLANT.

AND THEY WERE A LITTLE LOWER THIS PAST YEAR.

THERE WERE SOME ISSUES THAT THEY WERE LEADING WITH, UH, RECLAIMED WATER FROM 7 22 THROUGH THOUSAND GALLON WATER FROM THE WASTEWATER PLANT THAT WENT TO BS.

THAT'S USE CJ MENTIONED EARLIER.

WITH REGARDS TO THE WASTEWATER PLANT, OUR CURRENT LEARNING RUNNING AVERAGE, UH, FOR THE PLANT IS RIGHT AT 2.2 BILLIONS A DAY.

THAT IS A ROLLING AVERAGE.

SO EVERY DAY A DAY WE DROP OFF.

IT'S A ROLLING AVERAGE.

SO WE GOT A FOUR MD PLANT.

WE'RE RIGHT ABOUT 50 AVERAGE.

THERE'S OTHER THINGS WE'RE BE LOOKING TO GOING FORWARD WITH THE PROJECTS.

YOU KNOW, WE WANNA INCREASE THE BOOSTER PUMPS, CHANGE OUT WITH THE BOOSTER PUMPS AND PUT DIFFERENT ONE IN WITH THE SCADA SYSTEM.

THERE'S SOME AREAS WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS SOME SEWER ISSUES WITH UH, REGARDS LIKE MAIN STREET.

ONE OF THE THINGS I MENTIONED EARLIER WAS WHAT THE STATE REQUIREMENT FROM THE LEAD RULE HAS CHANGED TO WHERE WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY EVERY SINGLE UH, SERVICE THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE CITY.

NOT JUST WHAT OUR SERVICES ARE, ARE UP TO THE METER, BUT WHAT THAT SERVICE LINE IS FROM THAT METER TO THE HOUSE, WE HAVE TO ABLE IDENTIFY THAT THERE'S A DEADLINE ON THAT.

THAT LIST HAS PROVIDED TO THE STATE GOVERN BY OCTOBER 20.

UH, THEY HAVE EXPRESSION THAT THEY SORT OF GUY TO GO BY.

WE'VE ALREADY STARTED THAT PROJECT.

WHETHER OR NOT CONTRACT OUT TO SOMEBODY ELSE, COME HERE AND DO THAT.

BUT I TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, CONTRACT OUT.

UH, IF I, THERE'S TWO WAYS YOU CAN DO FACTUALLY LOOK UP EVERYTHING OR YOU SORT OF GUESS AT IT.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT UNKNOWN, BASICALLY UNKNOWN.

YOU'RE TELLING WHAT DOING.

SO GOAL IS TRY TO IDENTIFY EVERY SINGLE ONE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK WITH THAT AGAIN.

BUT THAT LIST IS DUE TO THE STATE BY UH, OCTOBER 24TH.

UH, AND JOHN, DO YOU WANNA KINDA EXPLAIN WHAT IS GONNA HAVE TO HAPPEN? YEAH, THIS IS THE STATE ASKING THAT THE CITY PAY TO DO THE MAIN LINE FROM THE METER TO SOMEBODY'S HOUSE.

IT'S ASKED YOU TO IDENTIFY THAT WITH AND COPPER IN YOUR SYSTEM.

IN 1988.

THEY BAND OUT USE OF UH, UH, THAT LIKE LEAD SALTER, RIGHT LINES, COPPER LINES AND USE OF, UH, SALTER HAS LEAD.

SO A LOT OF THAT CAN RULE OUT, BUT A LOT GALVANIZED LINES.

YOUR SYSTEM.

ONCE YOU IDENTIFY THOSE LINES AND THEY HAVEN'T REALLY MADE OR REALLY YET WHAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO ONCE YOU HAVE IDENTIFIED IT.

BUT FIRST PART OF IT, IDENTIFY WHAT YOU, A LOT OF OUR SERVICES AFTER 88 ARE THAT RULE.

THEY PROBABLY COME BACK AND ASK ABOUT DOING THAT WITH THE CUSTOMER.

REPLACE THAT METER TO THEIR HOUSE.

UH, OUR OUR, THEY USED TO RUN LEAD SERVICE LINES.

SO TO GET RID OF YOUR LEAD SERVICE LINES, COPPER IN THOSE, IF THERE'S LEAD AND IN THOSE LINES YOU LINES.

SO IT'S POTENTIAL THOUGH THE CITY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR NO, NO.

WELL THE CITY'S RESPONSIBLE FOR IDENTIFYING, JUST IDENTIFYING BUT NOT REPLACING THAT PART.

THE FIRST PART IS THE THE IDENTIFYING.

THEN IT'S THE NOTIFICATION AND THEN IT'S THE REGULATING DECIDE THERE, THEN THEY WOULD DETERMINE WHAT'S GONNA BE REQUIRED.

BUT IF YOU READ THE EPA RULES, IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT THE PLAN IS IS THAT WITH THE, WE WILL BE FORCED TO TELL THOSE CUSTOMERS THEY HAVE TO RETROFIT THEIR SYSTEMS. THAT'S EXPENSIVE.

YES MA'AM.

THAT'S LIKE FIVE, $6,000 TO BE HIRED.

IT'S MORE THAN THAT.

THE FIRST PART IS IDENTIFIABLE ONCE WE GET THAT LIST TO 'EM.

SO ONCE THEY GET ALL THESE LISTS FROM OUR STATE, THEN THEY'LL GO FORWARD WITH WHAT'S GONNA BE REQUIRED, WHAT'S GONNA BE REQUIRED GOING FORWARD.

GOD.

SO UM, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, SORRY, FROM

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THE METER TO THE HOUSE YES.

IS THE POTENTIAL.

YOU HAVE TO IDENTIFY OUR LINES, WHAT THEY'RE FROM OUR MAIN TO THE METER.

AND THEN YOU NEED TO IDENTIFY ALSO FROM THAT METER WHERE IT GOES TO THE HOUSE AND ONCE YOU TO IDENTIFY WHAT'S IN THE HOUSE.

BUT FIRST PART WHAT IT TO THE HOUSE.

SO YOU DO THAT WAYS YOU FIND OUT WHAT ITS OR MAKE JUDGMENT ON.

OF COURSE I'VE BEEN ABLE TO GO BACK AND AS MAPS THE CITY, IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE, I COULD RULE OF LINES AND MAPS.

SIMPLE 1988.

UH, BUT AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO TELL THE HOMEOWNERS THAT YOU'RE GOING HAVE TO REPLACE THE, TELL THE HOMEOWNERS THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.

THEIR PEOPLE, THEIR LINES.

I WOULD THINK AIDS WOULD'VE GOTTEN MOST OF IT.

YEAH, PROBABLY ABOUT THAT.

BUT IT'S GONNA BE OUR MOST VULNERABLE RESIDENCE.

THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING TOO.

WE HAVE ASKED FOR, UH, THAT PROJECT.

THE WORST CASE SCENARIO IS IF, UM, WE HAD TO PUT THAT UNKNOWN COPPER, DEFINITELY YOUR BUT I DON'T WANNA GO THROUGH THERE AND JUST CHECK OFF UNKNOWN.

UNLIKELY.

CAUSE BASICALLY SAY UNKNOWN.

THE RULES IN HERE, DUNNO WHAT IT'S, YOU'VE GOT A RED FLAG.

COUNTY.

YOU MENTIONED THE SEWER A WHILE AGO.

THE CAPACITY THAT'S INCLUDE AND RIDGEWOOD, CORRECT? THAT IS INCLUDE AND RIDGEWOOD.

WHAT COUNTED CONNECTIONS.

BUT PLAN IS, THAT'S THE TOTAL RUNNING AVERAGE.

NOT, NOT, NOT JUST, NOT JUST THE DROUGHT IN THIS CASE HERE, IN THAT RESPECTS.

GOOD CAUSE UH, SO WE, WE ARE RIGHT NOW AS THROUGH 6 23, UH, WE TWO RUNNING AVERAGE.

UH, LAST PART, THIS IS REPORTED.

THERE'S A LOT OF REPORTS THAT REQUIRED STATE.

SOME THESE ARE ANNUALLY, SOME OF THESE ARE, ARE PUT THROUGH THE STAIRS PROGRAM OR ONLINE.

SOME THESE HAVE TO BE KEPT LOCALLY.

UM, IN CASE HAVE AN INVESTIGATION SUCH AS LIKE THE WATER USE SURVEY, WATER CONSERVATION REPORT, WATER LOSS AUDIT, THE CCR REPORT, WHICH WAS JUST SENT OUT, THE TIER TWO REPORT, A GROUNDWATER REPORT, WHICH IS DONE LOCALLY.

IF I DO THIS, WE DO THIS HERE.

IT'S KEPT LOCALLY.

WE DON'T HAVE TO SEND THAT IN DQR, WHICH IS POORLY DIS.

WE OPERATE REPORT FUEL STORAGE REPORT FRONT END BE KEPT AND THAT A LOT OF THEM ARE DONE THROUGH STEERS.

AND, AND SOME OF THOSE DONE OUR TOTAL NUMBER CONNECTIONS, SIX FOUR.

THAT'S WHEN I SAY CONNECTIONS, THAT'S APARTMENT COMPLEX AND HAVE UNITS.

SO EACH UNIT METERS WERE ABOUT 33 40 SOMETHING METERS TOTAL.

AND ONE LAST THING BACK JULY OF LAST YEAR, WE HADACTUALLY INVESTIGATION WHERE THEY COME OUT PERIODICALLY, USUALLY EVERY THREE YEARS, BUT THEY'VE BEEN A LITTLE SLOWER THAN NORMAL.

BUT, UH, ON JULY 28TH, THEY WERE OUT TO DO THEIR, UH, QUALITY INSPECTION INVESTIGATION ON US.

AND UM, THERE WERE NO VIOLATIONS FOR ALLEGED.

AND THE RESULT OF THE INVESTIGATION AT THAT TIME WATER SUPERIOR SYSTEM THAT THIS INVESTIGATION LETTER QUESTION FOR.

SORRY, THAT'S ALL QUESTIONS.

SO THAT'S ALL YOU, THAT'S ALL YOU DO.

HE'S EVERYBODY.

EVERYBODY.

THEY, THEY DO, THEY THEY DO A LOT WITH LESS.

AND UH, THEY'RE CONSTANTLY OUT THERE.

THE SCENE, YOU SAW A PICTURE HE HAD UP EARLIER, EARLIER, UH, WITH THE GUY, THE WATER, UH, WITH THIS DROUGHT START SEEING WATER LINES BREAK.

WE DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT TOO MUCH.

WE, BUT THAT WAS CEMETERY KNOW

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LAKE.

YOU CAN DRIVE AROUND AND SEE THE WATER COMING UP.

BUT WE'RE WATCHING THAT.

WE'VE GOT THE REPAIR PLANTS, EVERYTHING WE THAT WITHOUT A JACK IN THE BOX.

I SEE A WHOLE CONCRETE DOWN THERE.

AND THAT WAS THE SERVICE LINE.

WE WERE AFRAID WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO GET A CONTRACTOR ON THAT.

AND IT ENDED UP WE WERE ABLE TO GET WITHOUT HAVING TO GET THE CONTRACTOR OUT THERE AND THEY WERE REPAIR HAVING TO, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JOHN ELUDED OR DIDN'T ALLUDE TO IN HIS REPORT THOUGH, UH, THAT IS A CHALLENGE THAT WE'RE GONNA FACE IN SOLID WASTE IN REGARDS TO STAFFING.

WE HAVE ONE THAT'S RETIRING NEXT MONTH.

NEXT MONTH, YES.

AND THEN WE HAVE I THINK FOUR OF THE FIVE OPERATORS ARE ALL ELIGIBLE.

WHAT? ELIGIBLE? ELIGIBLE FOR RETIREMENT.

SANITATION DEPARTMENT.

ONE THAT WILL BE RETIRING NEXT MONTH.

YOU HAVE AT LEAST ONE, TWO, POSSIBLY THREE MORE THE DEPART THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

SO SANITATION WITH REQUIREMENTS RIGHT NOW THAT IS GONNA BE CHALLENGE IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT.

HOW WE FORWARD ABOUT GETTING NUMBERS.

AGAIN, THESE, THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE SEEING HERE ARE AT OUR CURRENT STAFF.

EVEN IF WE'RE SHORTHANDED, THAT, THAT, THAT POSITION, THAT THAT POSITION IS STILL IN THE BUDGET, THAT POSITION IS STILL, WE HAVE NOT ELIMINATED ANY POSITIONS WE HAVE.

YOU HAVE ELIMINATED.

YOU JUST HADN'T ADDED HIM.

CORRECT.

AND WE'VE, I WILL SAY THIS MODEL INCLUDES DELAYING, FILLING THOSE POSITIONS ON A STAGGERED TIER.

SO HE'S GOT ONE POSITION WE JUST FILLED RIGHT TS WELL WE HAVE, WE HAVE TWO OPEN POSITIONS.

WE HAVE ONE EMPLOYEE THAT JUST HAS OF THIS PAST THIS WEEK I GUESS.

UM, WE WENT ON MEDICAL LEAVE WITH THE COMPANY.

SO WE THAT'S ONE.

WE HAD ONE THAT WAS, THAT WE DID NOT FILL.

BUT WE FILLED ONE OF THOSE.

SO THERE WERE THREE AND WE'RE DOWN TO TWO.

WE FILLED ONE, BUT WE ENDED UP ACTUALLY HAVING, WE HAD TWO AND THEN THIS ONE HERE WENT ON LEAVE.

THAT'S RIGHT.

AND SO YOU FILLED ONE HAD TWO.

THIS ONE HERE LEAVES BACK AT TWO.

GOTCHA.

SO IT'S SIGNIFICANT.

UH, SO, SO THE DOLLARS ARE THERE IF WE CAN FIND THE PERSONNEL.

THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT IS CORRECT.

BIG QUESTION IS IF , WE GONE THROUGH A FEW, BUT I SAID JOB THAT YOU DON'T FIND A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WANT TO GET OUT HERE AND DO THIS.

I MEAN YOU AT, THEY PUT BUGGIES AND START OFF MAKING 17, 18 AN HOUR AND UH, STAY OUT AS HEAT.

I UNDERSTAND IN TERMS OF FUND THAT LET FOUR 11, WHICH IS UH, SIDEWALK STREETS AND DRAINAGE.

UM, THE MAJOR SIGNIFICANT CHANGE, UH, FOR THE MAJOR, UH, EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT THERE.

WE DID INCLUDE A, UH, SOME MOWERS AND WE ARE LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVE TECHNOLOGY.

USE THAT WORD.

I KNOW EVERYBODY LAUGHS BUT JOHN.

YEAH, JOHN, TELL ME ABOUT THE GOATS.

YEAH, SO, UH, THE CITY OF HOUSTON, THE CITY OF HOUSTON HAS ACTUALLY BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL, UH, UTILIZING A, A FIRM THAT BRINGS IN GOATS, UH, ABOUT A 30% SAVINGS OVER STANDARD OPERATIONS.

AND THE SITE BENEFIT I WAS NOT AWARE OF.

AND THAT IS THAT WHEN THEY TAKE CARE OF THEIR BUSINESS, THE SEEDS THAT COME OUT CAN'T BE GERMINATED.

SO IT'S LIKE YOU'VE BASICALLY DONE A TREATMENT ON THE SITE.

SO IF WE DO THIS, WE'LL DO IT IN THE DITCHES BECAUSE GOATS ARE GREAT AT THAT.

AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE STRUGGLE WITH BECAUSE OF OUR BOX PLATE AND FOUNDING.

UM, SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

IT'S A FORCE MULTIPLIER BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY WE'VE GOT JUSTIN AND WE HAVE JUSTIN AND JAMES, JUSTIN AND JAMES DOING TWO TEMP PANS AND TWO TEMP PANS TRYING TO HANDLE EVERYTHING.

UH, AND THEN WE CONTRACT OUT WITH EVERGREEN FOR, UH, PLANTATION, THIS FACILITY, MAYBE ONE OTHER THAT'S COSTING US ALMOST A HUNDRED THOUSAND A YEAR.

SO, UH, OUR IDEA WAS IS LET'S SEE, IF THERE'S NOT A WAY TO GET US A FORCE MULTIPLIER THERE, THAT MIGHT SAVE US

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A LITTLE BIT MONEY.

SO DOES SOMEBODY, I MEAN, HOW DO YOU KEEP THE GOATS FROM JUST RUNNING INTO THE STREET? IS SOMEBODY GOT 'EM ON A LEASH.

THEY HAVE A, AN ELECTRIC FENCE, A TEMPORARY ELECTRIC FENCE THAT THEY'LL PUT UP AROUND THE SECTOR THAT THEY WANT THE GOATS DINING IN AND THERE'S A GUY THAT STAYS WITH A MAN DOG.

SO IT'S, IT'S A WHOLE SETUP YOU CAN SEEN WITH DOGS THAT HE GO YEAH, HOUSTON, HOUSTON USES IT.

UH, IT'S GONNA BE AWESOME.

AWESOME.

I LIKE IT.

I THINK IT'LL BE AWESOME.

AND, AND LIKE I SAID, I, WE DIDN'T, I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE SEED THING UNTIL WILL LOOKED IT UP AND BECAUSE HE HEARD IT AND YOU COULDN'T BELIEVE IT WAS TRUE.

BUT IT IS.

THEY, WHEN THEY COME OUT, THEY CAN'T.

SO YOUR WEEDS GET EATEN, DON'T COME BACK AT THIS POINT.

AS LONG AS THE DITCHES AND ALLEYWAYS GET CLEARED UP, IT'S .

AND IT'S CHEAPER.

I MEAN WE'RE ALSO LOOKING REMOTE CONTROL.

WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT GOING TO A REMOTE CONTROL ROBOT SO THAT WHILE ONE OPERATOR IS MOWING, THEY CAN ALSO OPERATE A SECONDARY DECK THAT'S MOWING AS WELL TO KIND OF FORCE MULTIPLY AS WELL.

UH, THOSE YEAH, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIND SOMEBODY TO DO THAT.

CAUSE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT LIKE TO DO THIS.

I THOUGHT WOULD BE, IF THEY COULD MOW AND DO THAT AT THE SAME TIME, THAT WOULD BE REALLY AWESOME.

WOULD THAT BE LIKE YOUR SLOW MOWING AND STUFF? OR JUST THE GOATS OR THE REMOTE? THE AUTOMATED OR THE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE.

THEY'RE ARE NEAR TO WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY SET UP GPS WHERE YOU TURN WHAT THEIR BOUNDARIES ARE.

JUST LIKE HOUSE.

BUT THE IDEA WOULD BE TO GET THOSE AREAS THAT IT'S REALLY HARD TO GET, STAY ON TOP OF AND FIGURE OUT WAY TO GET IT DONE.

UM, DO YOU GUYS WANNA SEGUE REAL QUICK INTO CIP AND WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT SINCE WE'RE IN THIS? OR DO YOU WANNA STAY FINISH? YOU'RE DRIVING, YOU GUYS YOU'RE DRIVING.

WE'RE DRIVING.

THAT'S, THAT'S IN 4 4 13.

UM, WE'LL GO FINISH HERE AND THEN WE'LL JUMP OVER THERE.

HOW'S, HOW'S, WAIT, WHERE AM ON THIS? WHERE AM I AT? THERE WE GO.

THIS WHOLE LEVELS ANYTHING.

THIS IS WHY I DON'T DO IT.

UH, SO SIDEWALK STREETS AND DRAINAGE, THAT IS BASICALLY THE BULK OF THAT SOLID WASTE.

THE BIG CAPITAL EXPENDITURE IS THE SIDE LOADER THAT WAS INCLUDED.

AS I SAID, WE'VE BEEN GETTING BY WITH ONE THAT'S, UH, BAILING WIRE, DUCT TAPE, UH, WELDED TO UH, PLASTIC.

AND THEN I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE SOME SILLY PUTTY OR SOMETHING THAT'S SOLD.

IT'S IN ROUGH SHAPE.

UH, WE, WE SOLD IT THREE.

THEY HAD REQUESTED, UH, IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT H V E SHEET, UH, THEY HAD REQUESTED SOME, SOME OTHER EQUIPMENT, UH, REAR LOADER, UH, FLATBED TRUCK AND THEN POSSIBLY MOVE INTO AN AUTOMATED TIPPER TRUCK.

UH, BUT WE FELT LIKE WE COULD MAKE THOSE LAST ANOTHER YEAR IN ORDER TO KIND CONTAIN COST WHAT? THE TIPPER TRUCK, THE SIDE LOADER WAS THE PRIMARY ONE.

SO WHAT'S THE TIPPER TRUCK? TIPPER TRUCK BASICALLY IS ONE WHERE YOU SEE LOT, WHERE WE HAVE THOSE 96 GALLON TRASHCANS WHERE YOU HAVE ONE DRIVER, YOU SIDE PICK TRASH.

OH, OKAY.

PUT TWO GUYS.

THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK.

YEAH, NO, WE WOULD, DIDN'T WE ORDER A, A NEW TRASH TRUCK OF, WE HAVE, WE HAVE CHIPPERS RIGHT NOW ON THE BACK OF TRUCK TO TO THE TRUCKS WHERE YOU CAN TAKE THOSE TRASH CANS, WHICH WE DO HAVE THE TRASH CANS AND WE CHARGE DEPOSITS ON EM.

SO WE'RE NOT GETTING THAT.

WE STILL HAVE PROBABLY FOUR TRASH CANS.

YEAH, BUT DIDN'T WE HAVE A NEW AND ORDER THAT NEVER DID GET DELIVERED OR SOMETHING? NO, WE, WE GOT, WE HAD ONE TRASH TRUCK, WHICH WAS DONE LAST BUDGET AND TOOK A YEAR TO GET IT.

YEAH, WE FINALLY GOT IT IN.

UM, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

I KNEW WE HAD ONE THAT WE WERE, THAT WE PAID FOR THE YEAR BEFORE WE TO GET WHAT KIND OF, WHAT KIND OF DELIVERY ARE THEY QUOTING ON THIS ONE? THE SAME BE THE SAME ISSUE.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET THROUGH WITH THIS ONE UNTIL YEAH, WE'RE LOOKING, WHEN WHEN MIKE AND I MET WITH THE LONE STAR AND THEN TALKED WITH THE FOLKS AT BRIGHT LINER, WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT, 60 MONTHS? 50 52 TO 60 MONTHS.

WHAT? SO MONTHS.

SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS 52 MONTHS IF WE REALLY WANT IT, WHEN THE BUDGET'S FINALLY APPROVED, WE NEED TO ORDER IT .

HONESTLY, WE WOULD LIKE THAT, THAT THAT WE, I KNOW YOU GUYS CAN'T MAKE A FORMAL MOTION OR CONSENSUS TODAY, BUT WE WOULD LIKE CONSENSUS TO BE ABLE TO START THAT PROCESS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE AMBULANCE AND THIS TRUCK JUST TO GET MOVING.

I MEAN THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH EVERYTHING.

I MEAN PROBABLY EVEN WITH THE POLICE VEHICLES, I MEAN WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE SAME, SAME ISSUE WITH THEM.

DID I DID YOU SAY THAT IT WAS GONNA TAKE 52 MONTHS TO GET THE TRUCK? I THINK TWO WEEKS.

I'M SORRY.

OH, I WAS ABOUT TO SAY, I WAS LIKE, WHOA.

I'M NOT EVEN, MIGHT NOT EVEN BE HERE.

I KNOW OTHER VEHICLE ALICIA HAS HAS DONE REAL WELL.

I I WAS JUST GONNA SAY YOU NEED TO, SHE WOULD HER NICKNAME'S BIRD

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DOG.

SHE'S BEEN ABLE TO FIND SHE SHOP ALL OVER.

WE'VE GONE.

WHICH WE WERE RUNNING STORM COMING IN.

UH, ALSO I KNOW THEY'VE GONE TO PICK UP VEHICLES FROM SALES AREAS, FIND WHERE THEY'RE AT.

SECURES CRAZY.

WELL Y'ALL, WE HAD TO GO TO FLORIDA TO GET THE THE BUCKET TRUCK DO FLORIDA AND SAID WE WENT AND LANDED AND THEY HEADED OUT TODAY THAT STORM WAS COMING IN.

THAT'S GREAT TIMELINE IN MY BUSINESS.

UH, 18 MONTHS.

OH, LOOKS GOOD.

CRAZY.

AND WHEN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, RECYCLING, ARE WE GONNA CONTINUE DOING LIKE RUNNING A RECYCLING TRUCK ON? NO MA'AM.

WE'RE, WE'RE, RIGHT NOW IT'S ON WHOLE, THIS BUDGET CONTEMPLATES NOT CONTINUING THAT PROCESS.

IT DOESN'T EVEN GO TO, TO RECYCLING FACILITY.

BUT I'M WHAT I'M JUST SAYING, ARE WE GONNA STILL RUN TRUCKS ON WEDNESDAYS OR NO, MA'AM.

SO WE'RE GONNA STOP AND JUST DO YES MA'AM.

WHATEVER EVERYBODY'S REGULAR GARBAGE DAY IS.

YES MA'AM.

NO, I, I AGREE WITH THAT BEING SAID.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

IT GOES BACK A LITTLE WAYS ABOUT THIS HEAVY TRASH HEAVY HAUL STUFF WE'RE DOING.

HOW DO WE, NO, NOBODY'S GOING LIKE THIS, BUT HOW ARE WE CHARGING FOR THAT? WHAT, HOW ARE WE CONTEMPLATING WHAT GETS CHARGED AND WHAT? WELL, IT'S OVER A CERTAIN SIZE.

WE GO OUT THERE AND LOOK AT IT, MEASURE, GIVE AN ESTIMATE ON IT AND PUT THE TAG ON DOOR PICK UP.

SO THE WORKS KIND HYPOTHETICALLY TO, HOWEVER, BEFORE I'VE ALWAYS DONE IT ON HEARD IT ON POUNDAGE, BUT SEA BREEZE WANTS IT ON VOLUME.

SO FIXATE KEEPING FEET YARDAGE IS WHY WE PAY THOUGH, RIGHT OUT TRUCK, TRUCK COST.

THAT TRUCK IS OUT OF THAT.

HOW MUCH IT TAKES THAT TRUCK.

BUT YOUR FIRST, WHAT'S THE I I GUESS MY POINT IS I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE NOT CHARGING FOR IT.

WE ARE, WE ARE ALL OF IT ALL ONLY, ONLY OVER A CERTAIN SIZE GETS CHARGED.

CHARGED.

SO WE, THE FIRST IT'S THREE BY THREE ESSENTIALLY IT'S FREE.

AND THEN AFTER THAT WE CHARGE.

BUT IF COUNSEL WANTS US TO CHARGE FOR EVERYTHING, WE WILL CHARGE FOR EVERYTHING.

AND I'LL TELL THIS RIGHT NOW.

WE, I KNOW STEVE AND UH, A WHOLE LOT TRYING TO CATCH STEVE NUMBERS.

THERE'S SOME AREAS THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT THEY JUST FIND SPOT AND UM, GOT TWO OF 'EM IS BEHIND MINE.

I'VE EVEN TOOK PICTURES OF THE GUYS DOING IT.

YOU DID? WELL THIS HAS BEEN A LITTLE WHILE AGO, BUT THERE'S ONE ON CEMETERY AND ONE ON UH, BARBARA STREET DOWN THERE BY THE, THAT ONE ON CHERRY STREET RIGHT THERE.

AND THE GENTLEMAN CLAIMS WHEN MY MOM LIVES HERE SO I CAN DUMP TRASH.

BUT IT'S ALL CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS RIGHT.

CHARGED FOR THAT.

AND I KNOW THAT'S A COUNCIL THING, BUT MAY I KNOW TO ME THAT WE, WE DON'T NEED TO BE PICKING UP CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS.

WE WE'RE TECHNICALLY NOT SUPPOSED TO.

WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IS ISSUING THEM THE PAY THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.

AND THEN WE'VE ALSO BEEN FOLLOWING UP WITH, AND THESE GUYS ARE NOT THE BRIGHTEST BULBS IN THE BOX.

CAUSE THEY'LL TYPICALLY LEAVE THEIR PERSONAL MAIL IN THERE.

SO IT'S RIGHT.

UNDERSTAND STREET ONE ON HARFORD STREET TOO.

LP I WAS GONNA SAY.

WELL, ALL LAKE BARBERS SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN BAD.

WELL, AND IT'S NOT JUST THAT, BUT, AND, AND ONE OF MY BIG PET PEEVES IS, IS PEOPLE THAT PUT THINGS OUT WHEN IT'S NOT THEIR TIME TO PUT THINGS OUT THE DAY AFTER.

WELL THAT ONE I LIKE TOO.

AND THEY SIT, SIT THERE, WORK A MONTH, YOU HAVE TO SIT THERE AND LOOK AT IT FOR A MONTH BEFORE IT GETS PICKED UP.

, IF WE CATCH THOSE WHEN THEY'RE OUTTA ZONE, WE'LL BRING TAG THOSE AS WELL.

AND WE HAVE TWO EMPLOYEES THAT WORK AT A CERTAIN BUSINESS THAT ARE SENT HOME WITH ALL THE CASTOFFS ON THE REGULAR.

SO YOU'LL SEE THE SAME ADDRESS WITH A COUCH OR A LOW SEAT OR A CREDENZA.

SO WHAT A, AN EXPENSE AND AT SOME POINT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING IS CUTTING, TRYING RIGHT.

CONTROL EXPENSES.

WELL, I MEAN WE, IF YOU REMEMBER WE HAD A, WE HAD A BEFORE COUNCIL HERE A FEW MONTHS BACK, BUT WE MM-HMM.

, WE STARTED CHARGING FOR THE, FOR ANYTHING THAT WAS OVER A CERTAIN SIZE.

SO WE STARTED I KNEW WE TALKED ABOUT IT.

NO.

WE HAD, SO IF SOMEBODY'S PUTTING LIKE A COUCH OUT, WOULD THAT, WOULD THEY GET THAT GET GREEN TAGGED OR IS THAT OKAY? I HAVE, I CAN'T DO SPATIAL IN MY HEAD AND THINK TYPICALLY FURNITURE GETS GREEN TAGGED.

HUH.

TYPICALLY IT GETS GREEN TAGGED.

IF YOU'RE GONNA DO IT KIND OF HALF DEPENDING ON THE SIZE.

AS LONG, LIKE IF YOU'RE GONNA,

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SO BASICALLY IF IT'S BIGGER THAN THE, THE BED OF A PICKUP IT'S CHARGED FOR.

CORRECT.

AND I'VE HAD ROSIE'S GOT TO ENJOY SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME OF THE RESIDENTS YOU WEREN'T AWARE OF THAT WOULD MADE THE CHANGE IN YEAH, PROBABLY DO AT THAT POINT WE'LL HAVE SOMEBODY, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

SO UNLESS, UNLESS IT'S STORM, TYPICALLY WE, LIKE IF YOU GO NORTH TO THE BAYOU OR YEAH, IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD SPOT.

BUT, UH, IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, NO, IT, IT'S, WE'RE TRYING TO CRACK DOWN ON IT.

IT'S, IT'S LIKE, YEAH, IT'S A CLOSE SPOT.

I, I WOULD SAY WE'VE MADE PROGRESS.

THERE'S STILL SOME, THERE'S STILL SOME STILL A WAYS TO GO, BUT WE'VE MADE SOME PROGRESS.

I JUST KNOW GOING ACROSS SOME SCALE IN LANDFILL EXPENSE.

I COUNT THE FUEL TIME.

OH LORD.

WELL I SAID ON SOME OF THOSE THOUSAND YARDS AND IT'S ONLY A2 YARD TRUCK THAT'S, I CAN TELL YOU THIS MUCH OF, I DID JACK IN LIKE A A 40 YARD DUMPSTER, A 40 YARD DUMPSTERS.

LIKE A GRAND.

THAT'S TO HAVE IT DELIVERED, HAVE TO HAVE IT DELIVERED AND DUMPED ABOUT A GRAND.

SO TO, TO THAT END, WE HAVE INCREASED THE BASE COST BY ABOUT FIVE AND HALF PERCENT.

IF YOU WANT TO CHARGE FOR ALL THE HEAVY TRASH, WE ARE ALL FOR THAT.

I HATE TO SAY THAT OUT LOUD CAUSE IT'LL PROBABLY GIVE YOU A SHOT.

BUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING Y'ALL WANT US TO BRING FORWARD, WE'RE HAPPY TO BRING THAT FORWARD.

YEAH, THAT WAS MY POINT OF BRINGING IT UP.

IT REQUIRES DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT, DIFFERENT PEOPLE, DIFFERENT MONEY, DIFFERENT EVERYTHING TECHNICALLY.

HOW WOULD WE DO THAT? I MEAN, IS IT JUST, IF YOU PUT OUT ANYTHING ON HEAVY TRASH DAY, IT DON'T FEED IN A BAG.

WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO PUT, THERE'S NO HEAVY TRASH DAY.

ESSENTIALLY YOU CHARGE FOR THAT SERVICE.

THAT SOUNDS KIND OF CRUDE, BUT I MEAN IF IT'S, IF IT DOESN'T, IT'S BOARD A BAG FULL.

THESE GUYS CAN'T PICK IT UP, LOAD IT IN THE BACK OF GARBAGE'S TRUCK.

BUT THAT ALSO MEANS IF YOU GO CLEAN UP YOUR SHRUBS AND YOU PILE IT OUT FRONT, YOU'D HAVE TO PAY FOR IT TO GET RID OF IT.

IT'S PART OF MY CONVERSATION AND I'M SURE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T AGREE WITH THAT, BUT I'D, I'D TAKE ON MINE AND BREAK IT DOWN AND PUT IT IN BAG.

WELL YOU GOT IT COVERED.

IT .

MY THING IS, I'M, MY FEAR WOULD BE IS THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE START PUTTING THINGS IN BAGS THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE OKAY, GOOD POINT.

I WAS GONNA SAY YOU GOT, THEY COUNTER FOR CASH.

WE'VE HAD ALL KINDS OF CRAZY MOST TRASH IS A PILE.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

IT'S NOT A, YOU THINK STACKED IT UP.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED WITH, WITH LAKE JACKSON WAS ABOUT GOING TO, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THEY HAVE THE BIG BAG THINGS YOU CAN BUY AT HOME DEPOT AND MAYBE AUGMENTING A BILL IF SOMEBODY DOES THAT ONE TIME TO HAVE IT TAKEN OFF, MAYBE GIVE THEM A 5% DISCOUNT ONE MONTH OR SOMETHING TO COVER THAT COST.

THAT WAY THEY'VE TAKEN CARE OF THE ISSUE THEMSELVES, BUT WE'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.

AND YEAH, THEY CAN BUY THAT BAG OF LOWS AND IT COMES WITH THEIR OWN PICKUP SERVICE AND THEY DEAL WITH THE LANDFILL.

AND THAT WAS OUR THOUGHT WAS IS MAYBE WE OFFER THAT AS A ONE ONCE PER ANNUM.

YOU CAN DO A BIG CLEANUP LIKE THAT AND WE'LL GIVE YOU A DISCOUNT WITH THAT MONTH OR SOMETHING.

OR LIKE A VOUCHER SPECIFIC WHERE YOU HAVE TO LIKE GO BUY A VOUCHER AND THEN WE KNOW EXACTLY WHOSE HOUSE WE GO TO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THAT'S POSSIBLE TOO.

YOU JUST, I DON'T KNOW, TAKE A PICTURE OF WHATEVER OR YOU GO OUT AND LOOK AT IT AND THEN WELL WHAT'S, WHAT'S THIS? HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA COST? THEY COME IN AND PAY FOR IT AND THEN WE ONLY GET THOSE HOUSES.

JP DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB OF TAKING PICTURES AND PHOTOS AND HE USUALLY HAS HIS MEASURING STICK AND SHOWS WHAT THE LOGIC GOES OUT THE WINDOW.

SO, AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT'LL HAPPEN IS HE'LL GO OUT AND MEASURE, GIVE HIM AN ESTIMATE AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBOR HAS DUMPED ON TOP OF IT.

SO NOW YOU SIDES.

YOU DUMPED ON MY PROPERTY.

PUT OVER HERE S PROPERTY.

THAT'S FINE CUSTOMER.

YEAH, IT WAS ON HIS PROPERTY AND IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN.

THAT WAS A WHOLE OTHER, THAT'S BEEN OTHER PROBLEMS. WOW.

WELL THE ONLY WAY TO UNDO IT IS TO JUST NOT PICK UP HEAVY TRASH.

I MEAN, AND THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER ITEM.

NIGHTMARE.

THAT'S JUST GONNA CREATE MORE ILLEGAL DUMPING ALL OVER THE PLACE.

I THINK IF WE DON'T PICK IT UP, I THINK IF WE GONE UP A CERTAIN AMOUNT THEN WE'RE GONNA FIND DEVELOPMENT EVERYWHERE.

WE'RE RIGHT.

SOME POINT WE MANPOWER TO WATCH.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT JUST OFFSET THE EXPENSES IS INDIVIDUALS.

A LOT OF RESIDENTS ARE BE MET AT US CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS TO THE LANDFILL OR RIGHT.

FURNITURE OR WHATEVER.

ALSO TALKED ABOUT DRAGGING, BUT WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT PUTTING SOMETHING UP.

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MAKE SURE THERE AGAIN, IT'S SO EASY.

TOOK A PICTURE, TOOK A PICTURE OF, SENT.

ALL WANT TO DO IS TRY.

UH, NOTHING SIGNIFICANT CHANGED.

UH, SERVICE CENTER.

OH, WHAT HAPPENED? THERE WE GO.

UH, THERE WE DID INCLUDE IN THE CAPITAL, UH, THE EXPANSION OF THE, UH, METAL AWNING AND THEN THE GENERATOR WAS ALSO ON THERE AS WELL.

SO, UH, THAT'S JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE TO WORK SO WE'RE NOT STANDING OUT IN THE SUN AND HAVE STUFF STACKED OUT.

AND THEN JOHN, UH, IF YOU'LL RECALL LAST YEAR WE DID THE, UH, FACILITIES NEED STUDY FOR PD.

WE TACKED ON PUBLIC WORKS.

AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT PROCESS NOW BY, IT'LL BE A COUPLE OF YEARS DOWN THE ROAD BEFORE WE HAVE A TO DO THAT.

BUT THE IDEA WOULD BE TO GET THEM INTO A NEW FACILITY AT SOME POINT.

BUT THAT, IF YOU GUYS WILL INDULGE ME, WE'RE GONNA JUMP OVER THE C I P.

WHAT? WHAT'S THAT? OH YEAH, I WAS TRYING, NO, I MINIMIZE MAYBE.

SO FUND OH FIVE, WHICH IS OUR CONSTRUCTION PROJECT BUDGET, UH, FOR SIDEWALK STREETS AND DRAINAGE IS A SEPARATELY FUNDED FUND.

UH, WE 40% OF ALL OF OUR SALES TAX POURS INTO THERE EVERY YEAR.

AND SO, UH, WE ESTIMATE THAT THIS YEAR LEMME GO, WE WILL SEE LIMITED GROWTH IN THE SALES TAX REVENUE TO THAT FUND.

UH, WE'RE ESTIMATING THAT IT'S GONNA BE AT ABOUT 3.4% JUST AS WE DID FOR EDC AND GENERAL FUND.

UH, HAD A REALLY GOOD YEAR THIS YEAR, UH, ON THEIR INVESTMENT PORTFOLIO.

WE DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S GONNA HOLD STEADY.

SO, UH, WHICH IS WHY WE KEPT THE NUMBER BELOW.

AND THEN WE DO STILL HAVE THE GRANTS TO DRAW FROM THE GLO HAZMAT PROJECT AND THE GLO MIT MOD PROJECT.

UH, SO THOSE NUMBERS ARE REFLECTED IN HERE AGAIN THIS YEAR.

MAYBE WE WILL START WORK, BUT IT LOOKS MORE LIKE IT'S GONNA BE LATE.

IF WE DO, IT'LL BE LATE, LATE IN THE YEAR.

UH, IN TERMS OF, UH, PROCESS AND PROJECTS, WE HAVE BASICALLY JUST CARRIED FORWARD THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAD IN THE PREVIOUS YEARS.

UM, JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY OR WE HAVEN'T HAD THE ABILITY TO EXECUTE EVERYTHING, WE WANNA, UH, GRAPHICALLY TALK ABOUT WHAT PROJECTS WE ARE TAKING ON.

LET PULL THIS.

UM, THIS IS THE READY CIP FOR THE CURRENT, UH, CURRENT CYCLE.

UH, OVER HERE REAL QUICK.

THIS IS, UH, DITCH A THAT RUNS BEHIND BACK OVER HERE AND THEN CONNECTS INTO OYSTER CREEK.

UH, IT, THIS IS THE CATCHMENT BASIN OF THAT AREA.

THIS IS THE PIN MONEY SYSTEM AND THE FLAG LAKE SYSTEM, UH, THE FLAG LAKE SYSTEM.

WE'VE GOTTEN OUR PRELIMINARY CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATES BACK ON ACTUALLY ALL THREE.

WE HAVE 9 MILLION IN GRANT FUNDING AND THE ENGINEERS ARE TELLING US IT'S GONNA COST 15 MILLION TO DO ALL OF THESE PROJECTS.

MORE THAN HALF OF THAT IS RELATED TO FLAG LAKE.

SO I HAVE INFORMED OUR NEIGHBORS THAT THEY WILL NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT GETS TAKEN.

CAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, WE CAN'T SHOW WHO THAT BURN.

UM, THE GOOD NEWS IS THERE'S PLENTY OF MONEY TO GET THIS PROJECT DONE, WHICH WILL HAVE A DIRECT EFFECT THAT WE ARE WORKING RIGHT NOW WITH, UH, SCI DIGNITY TO GET, UH, TO GET A LAND SWAP TAKEN CARE OF BETWEEN VICTORY OAKS.

THIS USED TO BE A SUBDIVISION I GUESS.

AND THEN, UH, THIS WOULD BE A CATCHMENT BASIN.

WOW, THAT GRAPHIC REALLY GRAINY, DOESN'T IT? SORRY ABOUT THAT.

UH, BUT THIS WOULD BE A CATCHMENT BASIN IN INLINE DETENTION FOR, UH, ALL THAT WATER THAT COMES FROM UP HERE AROUND THE SCHOOL.

THIS AREA RIGHT HERE.

AND THAT SOME OF IT CLOSES THIS WAY, BUT MOST OF THIS WATER ACTUALLY GOES TO TEMPLE DITCH.

SO I WOULD OPEN IT UP.

SO THIS, THESE APARTMENT COMPLEXES ARE NO LONGER TESTING ANY WATER ANYTIME WE GET IT RAIN ABOVE TWO INCHES.

AND THEN WE DID INSERT SOME MONEY FOR A DRAINAGE STUDY, UM, FOR THE OTHER SIDE, FOR THE OLD LAKE BARBER SIDE, WHICH HAS

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NEVER BEEN STEADY.

UM, PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH DEPENDING, BUT MAYBE A STARTER TO GET PART OF THE STUDY.

PART OF THE STUDY STARTED THIS YEAR AND THEN GOING INTO NEXT YEAR.

AND OKAY, SORRY ABOUT THAT.

SIDEWALK CIP, WE DID GET BOGGED DOWN ON SHANKS.

UM, THE ENGINEERS, UH, WERE MORE, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE JUST, YOU KNOW, PUT A DECK IN AND LET IT DRAIN INTO THAT.

AND THEY TOLD ME THAT THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS.

SO, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE ELEVATION CUZ THE STREET IN SOME PLACES, HOW HIGH ARE WE LOOKING? LIKE THREE FEET, ONE PLACE, RIGHT? THREE FEET ABOVE THE GRADE OF THE HOUSES NEXT DOOR.

SO THE LAST THING WE WANNA DO IS PUT THE SIDEWALK IN AND THEN TURN AROUND AND FLOOD THOSE HOUSES.

SO WE'VE ALTERNATED THE SIDES.

WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING THAT ENGINEER DONE, BUT THAT'LL COMPLETE THAT LOOP THERE.

UH, THE NEXT PRIMARY FOCUS WILL BE THIS AREA DOWNTOWN WHERE WE HAVE ALL THE POWER LINES RUNNING THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE SIDEWALK AND ESPECIALLY THIS CORNER.

I WATCHED A GUY IN AN ELECTRIC WHEELCHAIR LAST NIGHT TRY TO NAVIGATE THAT AND I THOUGHT HE WAS GONNA GO OVER ON HIS SIDE, BUT HE WAS A PRO AND FIGURED IT OUT.

UM, AND THEN CARRYING THAT THROUGH, UH, AND THEN START THE WORK ON THE COW ROAD SEGMENT AS WELL AS THE DIXIE DRIVE SEGMENT.

UH, COMING OUT OF THE LOUISVILLE CENTER STUDY, UH, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS GONNA BE ACTUALLY, UH, CREATING PEDESTRIAN ACCESS ALONG 3 32.

UH, WE'VE BEGUN THOSE INITIAL CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, THE FOLKS AT TEXTILE AND THEY SEEM AMENABLE TO EXPLORING THE HEAVY LIFT ON THAT HAS REALLY BEEN DONE CUZ THEY'VE ALREADY PUT IN THE RAILING AND THE SIDEWALK SEGMENTS OVER THE DRAINAGE DITCHES AND THE CULVERTS, WHICH WOULD MEAN IT'S BASICALLY JUST THE RUNS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE.

AND SO WE'RE DISCUSSING THAT WITH THEM RIGHT NOW.

AND THAT TIES BACK INTO THE CONVERSATION WE'LL HAVE ABOUT HOT TAX AND WHY THEY'VE GONE TO EXTENDED STAY AND WHAT THE HOTELIERS ARE TELLING US ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHY THEY STRUGGLE TO GET FOLKS IN.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE YOU CAN'T JUST WALK DOWN AND GRAB A BEER OR BURGER.

YOU'VE GOTTA JUMP IN YOUR CAR AND GO.

SO, UH, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S DEFINITELY ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANNA TAKE A LOOK AT.

UM, LONGER TERM WE ARE STILL, UH, LOOKING AT DIFFERENT PATHWAYS, UH, TO CONNECT OVER HERE.

GETTING ACROSS THE RAILROAD IS GONNA BE A PAIN.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT? AND UM, WE'RE NOT SURE HOW WE'RE GOING TO ACHIEVE THAT YET.

SO WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE A TUNNEL OR BRIDGE.

TUNNEL OR BRIDGE OR, AND THAT'S HONESTLY WHAT WE'RE HEARING IS TUNNELS ARE CHEAPER RIGHT NOW.

SO, UH, WHICH MEANS THEY'RE NOT PASSABLE WHEN THE WEATHER'S BAD, BUT IT MAY BE THE WAY IT HAS TO BE.

SO, AND THEN OF COURSE DIXIE DRIVE THE EXTENSION, I THINK I MENTIONED THAT ALREADY, UH, IS IN THE, IS IN THE PIPE FOR THIS YEAR.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEDESTRIANS WE'VE HAD THERE THIS YEAR, BUT WE'VE HAD, I THINK LAST YEAR WE HAD TWO PEDESTRIANS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

SO YOU CAN PROBABLY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

AND THEN AT SOME POINT, UH, WE'VE HAD FOLKS ALONG TO A B TALK TO US ABOUT MAYBE TRYING TO GET SIDEWALKS SET UP THERE AS WELL.

SO, AND WE'RE STILL USING THAT SAME GROUP OF FOLKS THAT WE, THAT WE START STARTED USING.

AGS UH, ACTUALLY YELLED AT THE CITY MANAGER FOR BELAIRE YESTERDAY CAUSE SHE KEEPS HO ON.

IF Y'ALL RECALL, WE PIGGYBACK ON OUR CONTRACT AT THE SEVEN YEAR CONTRACT THAT AT A REDUCED PRICE.

SO WHEN WE DID THE GRANT FUNDED PORTION OF THE PROJECT, WE PAID I THINK IT WAS 281,000 FOR SHANKS.

SO 2 81 TO DO SHANKS FROM PLANTATION TO MAIN.

EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE DID COSTS LESS THAN A HUNDRED THOUSAND OR NO, SORRY, LESS THAN $150,000 ON THE REMAINING PROJECTS THAT WE DID THAT YEAR.

AND THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FEDERAL CONTRACTING WORK AND BEING ABLE TO USE THAT CONTRACT.

YOU USED A DIFFERENT FOLKS FOR SHANKS, RIGHT? YES SIR.

AND WE'RE NOT USING THEM AGAIN.

OH, THEY WILL NEVER, YEAH, THEY'LL NEVER USE THEM AGAIN.

AND WHAT, WHAT WAS THE, WHAT'S THE COMMON CONSENSUS ON THE OTHER PART OF STRIKES? UH, THEY'RE WORKING ON A DESIGN RIGHT NOW.

UH, CAUSE OF THE ELEVATIONS.

AND THEN BASICALLY COVER ONE DITCH ON ONE SIDE.

BASED ON THE YARD, WHERE COMES THE YARD, RIGHT.

ADDITION BETWEEN IT AND THEN WE'VE GOT CONFLICTS WITH WATER AND SEWER LINES.

SO WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PROPOSING IS BASICALLY A, A DECK PROGRAM WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE AN INLET IN AN INLINE DETENTION SLASH DRAINAGE

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BUT WHERE THAT IS AND WHAT THAT ELEVATION IS, IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT RIGHT NOW.

BASICALLY GOTTA RUN A, A DRAINAGE SYSTEM.

AND IF WE WERE TO LOWER THE STREET THAT THEIR, THE INITIAL THING WAS, WELL YOU JUST NEED TO LOWER THE STREET.

AND I WAS LIKE, WELL IF YOU LOWER THE STREET, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW, A COUPLE MILLION BUCKS BY, WE GET THAT FIXING EVERYTHING.

UH, GOT A BE WHERE THE WATER CAN RUN FROM THE YARD INTO THE, UNDER THE SIDEWALK.

THAT'S YEAH, THAT'S THE, BASICALLY IT'LL HAVE ONE CONTINUOUS I THINK IS WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.

BUT WE HAD BUDGETED TO EXP EXPAND.

I THINK IT WAS, UH, RIGHT AT, WELL HOLD ON.

I'LL, IT WAS, LEMME CLOSE THAT WE BUDGETED TO SPEND THIS YEAR.

UH, $10 MILLION WE'VE SPENT RIGHT AT ONE.

UM, WE'RE GONNA DIAL BACK AND BE A LITTLE BIT MORE MODEST NEXT YEAR, WEDNESDAY THAT WE'RE GONNA SPEND SEVEN.

IT'LL PROBABLY BE MUCH LESS THAN THAT CAUSE I DON'T ANTICIPATE THE DRAINAGE WORK STARTING UNTIL 2025.

YAY.

BACK OVER INTO GENERAL FUND.

ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE C I P OR THE PUBLIC WORKS BUDGETS? DO MORE WITH LESS .

KEEP TRYING.

AND I DO WANNA CREDIT JOHN AND HIS TEAM.

THEY COME GO FROM COME TO CANNE AND HAVE TO HANDLE A LOT OF WEIRD STUFF.

LIKE THE GUY GOT CITY FRESH YESTERDAY AND CATCHING ME OFF MY GUARD.

SO OVER HERE? YEAH.

WITH THE DUMPSTER.

MUST HAVE BEEN IN THE AIR OVER THERE.

HE WAS IN A MOOD WITH YOU.

OH, WITH THE, ANYWAY, IT MUST HAVE BEEN HIS DAY.

IT, I SPENT ABOUT TWO HOURS AGO AT THE DUMPSTER, AT THE FUEL.

OH YES.

IT'S ALL OVER ME.

GOOD TIMES.

IT'S, UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, JOHN.

THANK YOU JOHN.

ME AND JOHN AGAIN.

YOU KNOW, EVERY DEPARTMENT HEAD DOES IT, PHIL, AND I KNOW Y'ALL ARE ONLY THINGS I GET TO SEE HIM IN THE DITCH MORE.

WITH THAT WE MOVE INTO QUALITY OF LIFE AND CAN I REMOVE THE BATHROOM FOR JUST A MINUTE? YES.

THANK YOU, SIR.

I TO TELL YOU, I GOTTA LEAVE AT ONE O'CLOCK.

SO BEFORE WE GET IT, WHAT'S THE NEXT ONE? UH, QUALITY OF LIFE.

SO LIBRARY PARK.

I'M GONNA HAVE TO STEP OUT.

SO THANK EVERYBODY FOR EVERYTHING.

UH, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT TO SAY, UH, THAT THE LIBRARY WE HELD COST OVER AND WE DID NOT.

UH, WE HAVE REDUCED THE CAPITAL EXPENDITURE AND OUTLAY, IF YOU WILL CALL IT, THEY WERE CAPITAL RENEWAL PROGRAM FOR THREE YEARS.

UH, WE CARRIED IT INTO A FOURTH YEAR, BUT WE HAVE TERMINATED THAT.

SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN THAT BUDGET THIS YEAR.

MOVING ON TO PARTS AND REC, UH, WILL'S HERE.

YOU WANNA KIND OF GIVE A RUNDOWN OF EVERYTHING YOU GUYS HAVE GOT GOING ON? UM, NOT A WHOLE LOT OF CHANGES THIS YEAR.

OBVIOUSLY OUR, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT A COUPLE TIMES.

OUR, OUR BIGGEST BUDGET CHANGE IS, IS THE CHILLER PROJECT.

UM, OUR CHILLER IS CURRENTLY RUNNING ON A GOOD DAY AT 30 TO 40% OF CAPACITY.

UH, IT KEEPS THE BUILDING TOLERABLE HERE.

LATELY THOUGH, YOU KNOW, IN THE AFTERNOONS, IT, IT DEFINITELY WARMS UP AND DOESN'T, DOESN'T KEEP UP.

BUT, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE MUCH NEW STUFF IN THE BUDGET THIS YEAR.

WE'RE TRYING TO JUST MAINTAIN WHAT WE'RE DOING AND, AND, AND NOT ASK FOR A LOT AND KNOW THAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS TIGHT, NOBODY ELSE CAN, IS DOING MUCH ELSE EITHER.

SO NOT A WHOLE LOT OF CHANGE IN OUR BUDGET THIS YEAR, HONESTLY.

SO WHERE ARE WE IN THE, IN THE PARKS MASTER PLAN? UM, SO ORIGINALLY WE, WE GOT IT FINALIZED AND ADOPTED BY THE STATE, I THINK IN 21.

SO I'M HOPING THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THAT THIS YEAR AT NO COST TO THE CITY.

UH, MY PLAN WAS TO THIS YEAR TO START PUTTING MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR GRANTS TO START ATTACKING SOME OF THE PROJECTS IN THE PLAN.

UH, 400 AND SOME ODD THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR A CHILLER KIND OF NEGATED THAT.

SO HOPEFULLY NEXT YEAR WE'LL BE IN A BETTER POSITION TO, TO START GOING AFTER THAT.

UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, THOUGH, I AM WORKING WITH KODA, UH, THE BAY AREA COUNCIL ON DRUG AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE OR, UM, THEY GRANT FUNDS AVAILABLE AND WE ARE HOPING TO REPLACE THE PLAYGROUND AT PARTY, WHICH IS A SECTION OF ONE, THE PROJECTS IN THE PLAN.

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IT LOOKS LIKE IF WE'RE FUNDED, IT'S, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE MATCH AND IT'LL BE A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDING OF, OF THAT PROJECT AND THAT PLAYGROUND REPLACEMENT, UM, WITH ABOUT A 60,000 PLAYGROUND AND SWING, THAT NEW NEW CIRCUIT THING AND EVERYTHING OVER THERE.

WE'LL LET ME, UH, BREAK THAT NEWS TO HIS BOARD.

THEY WERE, THEY DIDN'T LYNCH ME.

SO I GUESS THAT'S A GOOD START.

SO THE, THE PLAN IS THERE, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO, IF WE CAN START, START WORKING ON THE PIECES OF IT, BUT IT JUST WASN'T A, A FINANCIAL OR A FISCAL POSSIBILITY THIS YEAR.

$400,000 GOES A LONG WAY TO THE GRANT MATCH TO DO A PARK PROJECT.

AND IT'S BASICALLY TRUE WITH THE POOL.

UH, WE'RE KINDA IN A HOLDING PATTERN THERE UNTIL WE GET MORE CAPITAL MONEY.

THAT'S WHAT I, THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION AND, AND, UH, WE'LL ALSO BUDGET IT FOR, SO DID YOU REALLY? WELL WE DIDN'T PUT IT IN HERE.

I PUT THE MOW IN HERE, WHICH YOU HAVEN'T PUT THE, UH, YEAH, THE ROBOT MOWER OR EVENTUALLY GOATS AS WELL.

UM, I WOULD BE, AS FAR AS SOMEBODY INCLUDED AS GOATS, WE, WE, THEY WILL BE, UH, IMPORTED DUDES, BUT THEY'RE CLOSE BY.

SO IT REALLY IS, IT'S A COMPANY THAT RENTS OUT THEIR GOATS.

I MEAN, UM, WE LOOKED AT HOUSTON, MINNESOTA, SAN ANTONIO.

THAT'S COOL.

UM, CEDAR PARK, I BELIEVE SEVERAL OF OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE BEEN DOING IT.

I'VE WATCHED THEIR VIDEOS AND IT REALLY IS AN AMAZING PROCESS.

HOW QUICK THEY COME IN AND STRIP ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING GREEN FROM THE GROUND TO ABOUT SIX FEET UP IN A MATTER OF DAYS.

IT'S THE TIME THAT VIDEOS I THINK ARE REALLY COOL STUFF.

WELL, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THIS COMPANY? RENT A ROOMINATE.

RENT A ROOMINATE.

THEY DO WANNA SAY RENT A GOAT FOR SOME REASON.

SO IT'S RENT OR THEY, UH, THEY ARE FRANCHISE.

IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AN OPPORTUNITY, GOSH.

WOW.

GET OUT OF THE INSURANCE BUSINESS.

HEY, MY HOA WOULD LET ME HAVE GOATS IN MY BACKYARD, YOU KNOW, I'LL DO IT.

UM, WHAT THE, I GUESS THAT WAS THE ONLY, SO THE MASTER PLAN WILL PROBABLY BE TAKING PLACE NEXT YEAR.

I HOPE THAT WE CAN START CHICKEN.

YOU SAID WE CAN GET THE HARDY THING DONE.

THAT'S ONE, ONE SMALL PIECE OF IT.

AND THEN THE PARK BOARD IS RECOMMENDED AND WANTED US TO START WITH THE MILSTEAD PROJECT TO ADDING THE, YOU KNOW, WE GOT A PLAYGROUND IN THERE A COUPLE YEARS AGO WITH THE GRANT MM-HMM.

THAT WE DEDICATED TO MR. PATE.

UM, THE REST OF THE, THE MASTER PLAN FOR THAT PARK SHOWS US WANTING TO ADD A FISHING PAIR, SOME PARKING, PARKING SPACES, A WALK-IN TRAIL, A RESTROOM.

UM, SO YEAH, AS WE, AS WE CAN, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CHIP AWAY AS WE CAN AND WHERE WE CAN, UM, $400,000 MADE A PRETTY GOOD DEBT IN THAT, HUH? YEAH, I DON'T GO LONG WAYS TO CAN TURN INTO COST A MILLION WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR MATCH TO PARTS WILDLIFE GRANT.

UM, PERSONNEL WISE, WE'VE NOT REALLY ASKED FOR ANYTHING THERE.

UH, WE HAVE ONE, ONE POSITION THAT'S BEEN EMPTY FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT FILLING LAST YEAR.

AND WE WENT AHEAD AND LEFT AN EMPTY TO TRY TO HELP THE BUDGET AND HELP HELP THE CITY.

AND IT'S STILL IN THERE.

UM, HOPEFULLY THAT WE CAN FILL THAT THROUGHOUT SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR.

MICROSOFT, WE GET INTO THIS BUDGET CYCLE AND THAT'LL BRING US UP TO, TO THREE, THREE MAINTENANCE WORKERS.

UM, WE HAVE RIGHT AT 80 ACRES APART.

SO RIGHT NOW I HAVE TWO GUYS THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR TAKING CARE OF 80 ACRES, PARKS, SIDEWALKS, MOWING, WEEDING, REPAIRS, MAINTENANCE, EVERYTHING.

SO WE ARE, WE'RE STRETCHED PRETTY THIN, BUT WE GET DONE AS MUCH AS WE CAN.

AND THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS ALREADY ALREADY SAID TODAY, THAT'VE GOTTA BUST THEIR TAILS.

AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S TWO OTHER GUYS THAT COULD ACCOMPLISH WHAT THESE DO EVERY DAY.

I MEAN, THEY WORK THEIR OFF THEY CARE FOR ARE THE GOATS GONNA HELP THEM TO NOT HAVE? YES.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO BE LOOKING AT IS SOME KIND OF BOND FOR A MOVE.

IT IS.

AGAIN, IT'S A FORCE MULTIPLIER.

SO IF THEY CAN SPEND LESS TIME ON A MOWER, THAT GIVES THEM MORE TIME TO DO MAINTENANCE OR RIGHT.

OR HONESTLY, QUITE FRANKLY, THEY, THEY'VE ALMOST BECOME AMATEUR ARBORISTS THIS YEAR WITH ALL THE TREES.

THE TREES HAVE BEEN CRAZY.

WE'VE DONE, I DON'T KNOW, PROBABLY 15, 18 TREES HAVE TAKEN OUT THAT CUT DOWN OVER THE LAST YEAR OR SO.

OH, THE, YEAH, THE FREEZES HAVE KILLED SOME, UH, FREEZE DROUGHT, HEAT STRESS.

IT'S JUST, UH, WE HAD ACTUALLY HAD THE ANNUAL FOREST SERVICE COME DOWN AND, AND WALK THE PARK WITH ME LAST, LAST SPRING.

UH, HE, HE SAID THEN HE SAID, YOU'RE ABOUT TO HAVE A LOT OF TROUBLE.

THESE TREES ARE STRESSED AND WE HAVE,

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AND I, WHEN WE GET INTO FOUR 17, I'LL KIND TALK ABOUT OUR, THAT SITUATION.

AND THEN ON THE, UH, ON THE PARKS, DO WE HAVE ANY, ANY PARKS THAT HAVE A, A SHADE OVER THEM? LIKE A, LIKE A THING ON TOP OF NOT A, A COMPLETE FULL ON SHAKE COVER? UH, THE, THE MUNICIPAL PARK PHASE ONE HAS MORE THAN MOST OF 'EM.

IT'S GOT THE ROUND SHAKE COVERS ON THE TOP OF IT.

UM, PHASE TWO DOESN'T REALLY HAVE MUCH AT ALL, BUT IT IS FAIRLY WELL SHADED WITH THE TREES ACROSS THE STREET THERE.

UM, HARDING IS MERELY COMPLETELY SHADED.

UM, BUT THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE YES.

THE PLAYGROUND.

SO, SO WE HAVE DONE WITH A, YOU KNOW, FREESTANDING SHADE COVER OVER 'EM.

, MOST OF THEM HAVE SOME KINDA OF ROOFER COVER FOR THE MAIN SECTIONS AND OR A GOOD BIT OF TREE COVER.

UH, MILSTEAD IS PROBABLY THE MOST OPEN, BUT AGAIN, I THINK I'VE TAKEN SIX TREES OUT AND WITH RIGHT IN THAT IMMEDIATE, THE VIC SANITY IN THE LAST YEAR THAT WE'VE LOST SOME SHADE THERE AS WELL.

CUZ I WILL SAY THAT'S, I THINK WITH REGARDING TO PARKS, THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST LIKE THINGS THAT I GET ABOUT RESIDENCES IS SHADE OVER THERE.

ABSOLUTELY.

PLAYGROUNDS.

IT MAKES A TREMENDOUS DIFFERENCE.

UH, A PRIOR JOB IN A DIFFERENT SEAT, WE ACTUALLY DID THE MEASUREMENTS AND LOOKED AT IT AS WE INSTALLED ONE, UH, ON A YELLOW SLIDE.

SO ONE OF THE LIGHTEST PIECES THAT WE HAD OUT THERE IN COLOR THAT, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T GET AS HOT AS THE REST OF IT BEFORE WE PUT THE SHADE COVER UP, IT WAS RUNNING ABOUT 140 TO 146 DEGREES ON THE SURFACE.

DANG.

WITH THE SHADE COVER, THEY INSTANTLY DROPPED TO THE HIGHEST WE GET.

IT WAS LIKE 91, 92.

SO IT MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

BUT THEY'RE ALSO VERY, ARE THEY EXPENSIVE, EXPENSIVE PROJECT TO PUT UP.

UH, BECAUSE IN EFFECT IT'S A GIANT SALE.

SO IT TAKES A LOT OF UNDERGROUND, CONCRETE AND REINFORCEMENT AND STUFF TO, TO ANCHOR THAT.

WE WENT.

SO IT DOESN'T BECOME A FIRE MISSILE DURING THE STORM.

WHAT ABOUT, DID YOU GUYS EVER STUDY THE ONES METAL ONE? WHEN WE DON'T ANYMORE.

ALTHOUGH I THINK IT WAS ACTUALLY PUT OUT A VIDEO OF TEXAS DIVISION OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.

THEY WENT OUTSIDE THEIR OFFICE OF THE PARKING LOT, CRACKING EGG AND FRIED AN EGG ON THE ASPHALT IN THE PARKING LOT, JUST TO SHOW HOW HOT STUFF GETS IN THE SUN RIGHT NOW.

ON THE, IN INSIDE THE MASTER PLAN, IS IT, IS IT ON THERE THAT WE PUT SHADERS ON THEM OR NO? UM, PLAYGROUNDS, WE, WE DID NOT GO TO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL.

, IT'LL CALL FOR A NEW PLAYGROUND OR WALKING.

SO THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE DESIGN AS WE, AS WE PUT NEW STRUCTURES IN.

BUT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IT.

WHEN WE DO DO, THEY'LL STAY BECAUSE OF THE TREE LOSS.

TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THERE.

APPRECIATE.

OFF ON SATURDAY THAT EVERYBODY REALLY ENJOYED.

SOMEBODY SAID SOMEBODY BAKED BREAD IN A MAILBOX.

I SAW IT.

THAT'S BETTER THAN GETTING BILLS.

SO YOU FILL WITH BREAD, THEY CAN'T PUT ANYTHING ELSE ON THERE.

THERE YOU GO.

THAT'S EXACTLY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR WILL ON PARKS? LET ME GO GRAB THE, UH, IF YOU WANNA JOIN US REAL QUICK AND TALK ABOUT MOSQUITO.

SO, UH, REVENUE WISE, UH, AS WILL ALLUDED TO EARLIER, AND AS WE DISCUSSED, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO, UH, HIT THE JACKPOT.

I MEAN, WE SCORED WITH THE INSURANCE, THE HEAT INSURANCE, SO WE'RE ROLLING THE DICE AGAIN THIS YEAR, UH, AND HOPES THAT WE WERE ABLE TO, UH, ABLE TO KNOCK THAT OUT OF THE MORE TIME.

UM, NEVER THOUGHT I'D BE ROOTING FOR A DROUGHT AND HEAT SMELL, BUT HERE WE'RE, YEAH.

UM, IN TERMS OF, BUT BASICALLY LOOKING AT OUR OVERALL, OUR, OUR HISTORIC AVERAGE, IT'S ABOUT 170 TO 180,000.

UH, WE FEEL LIKE, UH, WILL AND HIS TEAM AND, UH, CORN, THEY'VE BEEN OUT THERE HUSTLING, TRYING TO GET MORE SPONSORSHIP, TRYING TO ENHANCE THE ADVERTISING.

UH, WE FEEL REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE LINEUP WE HAVE THIS YEAR.

DO YOU WANNA GO THROUGH THAT REAL QUICK? SURE.

SO THURSDAY NIGHT IS OUR, IT'S OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR FAMILY NIGHT, LOCAL NIGHTS, $2 ADMISSION, MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE AFFORDABLE AND EASIER FOR FAMILIES TO COME OUT.

UH, WE'VE GOT TWO LOCAL BANDS PLAYING THAT NIGHT TILL YOU RIDE.

UM, IF Y'ALL WERE OUT LAST YEAR, THAT'S THE BAND THAT'S SET UP AND PLAYED ACROSS THE STREET AT THE, TOOK

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UM, ABOUT HALF OF THOSE GUYS LIVE IN, IN OUR AREA, ABOUT HALF OF 'EM LIVE UP IN CYPRESS MONTGOMERY.

SO THEY'RE A FAIRLY LOCAL GROUP WITH A GOOD FOLLOWING.

THEY'RE GONNA OPEN UP FOR US ON THURSDAY, FOLLOWED WITH BLUEWATER HIGHWAY BAND.

UH, WHO AGAIN, IS A LOCAL, A NATIONAL TOURING BAND, VERY LOCAL.

UM, I THINK ALL THE ONE MEMBERS OF THE BAND GREW UP HERE AND GRADUATED FROM BRASS WOODTON.

UM, IT'S THE, THE GROUP THAT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE GRAND OLD CHRISTMAS SHOW AND THE GRAND OLD AMERICANA SHOW AND STUFF THAT THEY DO OVER AT THE CLA ON EVERY YEAR.

UH, SO YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THURSDAY NIGHT WILL BE A GOOD NIGHT FOR US WITH A LOT OF LOCAL FOLKS AND LOCAL FOLLOWING COMING OUT.

UM, FRIDAY NIGHT WE HAVE OUR HISPANIC NIGHT WITH A COUPLE OF REALLY HOT BANDS FOR THAT OWN AND SORETO PLAY ON FRIDAY NIGHT.

UH, THEN SATURDAY WE HAVE BRIE BAGWELL FOLLOWED BY JOSH ABBOTT BAND WITH BAG OF DONUTS TO CLOSE OUT THE, UM, I THINK, I THINK WE HAVE A GREAT LINEUP.

UH, I DO WANT TO, YOU KIND OF ALLUDED TO IT ON THE SPONSORSHIPS AND STUFF WE CREDIT CREDIT CREDIT OUR STAFF FOR, FOR REALLY GETTING OUT THERE.

UM, WE HAVE $40,000 BUDGETED THIS YEAR TO BRING IT ON SPONSORSHIPS, AND WE'RE CURRENTLY SITTING RIGHT AT 48,000 IN CASH RECEIPT.

NOT, NOT EVEN COUNTING, GETTING CARDS AND KIND OF EQUIPMENT OR, OR OTHER STUFF.

SO TOTAL SPONSORSHIP VALUE THIS YEAR IS, IS WELL IN EXCESS OF 50 ALREADY.

UH, SO STAFF HAS DONE AN AMAZING JOB ON GETTING OUT THERE AND GETTING FOLKS INVOLVED WITH THE EVENT.

UM, PRESALE TICKETS ARE, ARE, ARE KICKING OFF PRETTY WELL.

WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF TICKETS ALREADY SOLD FOR ALL NIGHTS OF THE EVENT.

UM, SO I FEEL FEELING REALLY GOOD.

THIS IS, I'M GONNA JINX MYSELF RIGHT NOW, BUT , I I, I HAVE NO BUTTERFLIES OR, OR NERVOUSNESS OR ANXIOUSNESS YET.

AND FOR Y'ALL THAT KNOW ME HAVE BEEN AROUND, THAT WAS VERY UNUSUAL.

UM, BUT WE, WE'VE GOT A GREAT TEAM WORKING OVER THERE.

UH, MICHELLE HAS DONE AN AMAZING JOB.

THE REST OF THE TEAM HAS DONE GREAT AND, AND SO I'M GONNA GO HOME AND EAT TUMS EVERY NIGHT RIGHT NOW.

SO , IT'S BEEN REALLY GOOD.

I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE EVENT SET POINT.

DID YOU EVER GET IN TOUCH WITH ANYBODY? WE, WE WERE IN TOUCH WITH THEM QUITE A BIT.

YOU AND I TALKED WITH THEM UP IN AUSTIN AND NO, THEY'VE DONE, THEY'VE DONE NOTHING UNLESS YOU PROMISE US UP THERE AND YEAH, I MEAN THEY PRETTY, THEY PRETTY MUCH WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT WERE COMMITTED AND THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING IF THEY EVER CONTACTED.

I MEAN, ACROSS THE BOARD WE'VE KIND OF DISCOVERED, UH, CAUSE WE HAD ANOTHER VENDOR, UH, OFFER TO HELP AND THEN DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN WHAT WAS HELP, THE HELP RECEIVED AND THE HELP OFFERED SEEMED TO BE PRETTY FAST.

AND, AND IT'S BEEN DONE LIKE THAT ON SEVERAL THINGS.

WE'VE LOST SEVERAL BIG, BIGGER SPONSORS THIS YEAR, BUT WE PICKED UP A NUMBER TO FILL THOSE BACK IN.

SO, I MEAN, OVERALL WE'RE UP, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE COULD BE UP EVEN MORE WITH SOME OF THESE PEOPLE THAT PROMISED THINGS OR REALLY MAYBE DIDN'T PROMISE, BUT HINT, HINT, HINT THAT THEY WOULD, THAT THEY WERE GONNA TAKE CARE OF US.

SO THEY HAVEN'T.

I THINK EVEN COMCAST MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT IT COMCAST WAS SUPPOSED TO THROW IN AND I DON'T THINK THEY'VE EVER REACHED BACK OUT FOR INITIAL CONTACT.

I HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT NEXT TIME THEY WANT SOMETHING.

YEAH, YEAH.

WELL, I, THERE'S A COUPLE OF REMEMBRANCE THAT WE'RE GONNA HOLD ONTO FROM THIS YEAR, BUT I THINK TO THAT POINT, MAYBE THEY'RE STILL NOT HAPPY THAT WE'RE NOT RELINQUISHING ON THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT.

SO, WELL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR WILL OR WARREN ABOUT GTM F? NO, I THINK Y'ALL ALWAYS DO A GREAT JOB.

ANTICIPATE THIS YEAR, UH, WITH THIS MODEL THAT'S IN QUESTION DRAWING DOWN ABOUT THE, ABOUT 133,000 FROM THE, UH, FROM THE OVERALL, UH, FUND BALANCE.

WE DO IT AS IT A TEAM EFFORT.

IT'S A VOLUNTEER EFFORT.

HARDER TO COLD FRONT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA COME IN .

WELL, WE, WE WOULD ALL APPRECIATE THAT.

THE BOTTOM LINE WOULD NOT APPRECIATE THAT.

, IF YOU BRING THE COLD FRONT THOUGH, MAKE SURE IT HAS RAIN.

SO LOTS RAIN, RAIN.

WE CAN GET ONE SIDE OF THAT INSURANCE.

AS WE DISCUSSED EARLIER, IS VERY REVENUE CHALLENGED.

UH, WE'VE ACTUALLY PUT TOGETHER, I DON'T KNOW, TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT MODELS, UH, TRYING TO GET US WITHIN A REASONABLE LEVEL OF WHAT THAT, UH, REASONABLE LEVEL.

SO WE'RE NOT DRAWING DOWN THE FUND BALANCE TOO, TOO MUCH.

UH, THIS IS KIND OF THE CURRENT MODEL, UH, THAT WE'RE GOING WITH.

UH, AGAIN, REVENUE JUST HAS NOT REBOUNDED THE WAY WE EXPECTED IT TO POST PANDEMIC.

UH, AND THEN THE MODEL CHAINS THAT WE'VE WITNESSED WHERE THEY'RE LETTING PEOPLE STAY EXTENDED HAS REALLY HURT US.

AND SO WE'VE DRAWN DOWN, WE

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UH, BUT THAT MEANS THAT THERE'S SOME PRETTY DEEP CUTS, UH, AND PUTS A, UH, A PARTICULAR ONUS, UH, OR PUTS A PARTICULAR, SOME OF OUR, OUR FRIENDS AND PART LONGTIME PARTNERS IN A, IN A PRETTY TOUGH SPOT IF WE FOLLOW THIS PATH.

UH, WHAT WE PROPOSE, LET ME, WHAT WAS THAT ONE? YEAH, THEY WANT THAT ONE.

UH, WHAT WE PROPOSED IS A, UH, REDUCTION IN OUR SUPPORT FOR SEVERAL OF OUR DIFFERENT OPERATIONS, INCLUDING OUR OWN C BBB AND THE C BBB AT THE CHAMBER.

UH, LET ME GET TO THAT REAL QUICK.

SO, UH, CURRENTLY WE'RE BOTH SUPPORTING THEM AT 65 AND 60, AND WE WOULD REDUCE THAT DOWN TO 2,500.

THIS MODEL, UH, WE CURRENTLY GIVE $250,000 TO CENTER PARTS AND SCIENCE, WHICH IS A HUGE DRAW FOR US.

AND WE WOULD REDUCE THAT BY $50,000.

IT'S NOT FUN.

UH, LOOKING AT CHRISTMAS AT THE PARK, TAKING THAT DOWN FROM 18 TO FROM TWO DAY EVENT TO ONE DAY EVENT, UH, WHICH WOULD ALLOW US TO FOCUS A LITTLE BIT MORE ON GETTING CROWDS THAT FIRST OR SECOND, THAT FIRST DAY AS OPPOSED TO THAT SECOND DAY REDUCING COSTS THERE.

UM, WE, AND THEN WHEN WE GET INTO SPECIAL PROJECTS, UH, WE DO MAGAZINE TWICE A YEAR.

WE REPLACED THE CALENDAR WITH THAT.

WHAT WE OPTED TO DO INSTEAD IS TO REDUCE OR TO CONTINUE WITH THE, THE, UH, MAGAZINE AND, UH, ROLL THE CALENDAR OUT, UH, AND NOT DO THE SECOND EDITION OF THE MAGAZINE.

SO YOU GET ONE IN NOVEMBER, ONE IN DECEMBER, AND THEN ONE IN THE SUMMER.

UH, ESSENTIALLY IS HOW WE WOULD WORK THAT ADVERTISING.

UH, WE WOULD RESHIFT OUR FOCUS AND REALIGN THAT WOULD THEN INCLUDES THE TEXAS HIGHWAYS AND, AND TEXAS MONTHLY, TEXAS MONTHLY, UH, AD CAMPAIGNS, WHICH ARE BOTH PRINT AND ONLINE.

YOU HAVE TO BUY ONE TO GET THE OTHER.

UM, AND THEN THE, UH, THIS PARTICULAR ONE CONTINUES ON WITH THE, UH, THE BRANDING IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE TAKEN OVER BY THE EDC SOLELY.

UH, SO WE APPRECIATE THEM STEPPING UP.

THIS CONTINUES THE COMMUNITY YARD, UH, INITIATIVE THAT'S NEVER QUITE GOTTEN OFF THE GROUND, SO WE COULD PROBABLY ACTUALLY CUT THAT SIGNIFICANTLY, UH, AND THEN MAYBE SHIP THAT OVER TO STREET BANNERS AND MISCELLANEOUS, UH, IT'S A REALLY TOUGH YEAR.

UH, THEY ARE BEING ASKED, UH, BECAUSE THEY DO PARTICIPATE IN THE BUILDING COST AND MAINTENANCE AT THE PARTS FACILITY.

UH, THEY WOULD BE TRANSFERRING, UH, MONEY FROM THEIR FUND INTO THE CHILL REPAIRS.

SO 10% OF THE OVERALL COST WOULD BE BY THE, UH, BY THE CV.

AND THEN WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT A POTENTIAL REDUCTION FOR THE, UH, FOR THE MOSQUITO FESTIVAL FROM 70 TO 50, WHICH PUTS MORE PRESSURE ON THEM TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE THAT REVENUE UP.

AND YOU SAID THIS IS ONE OF THE PROJECTIONS.

THIS IS ONE OF ABOUT THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT MODELS.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME STAFFING CHANGES.

UH, WE WANTED TO HAVE SOME FURTHER DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF INTERNALLY ABOUT THAT BEFORE WE MAKE THAT DECISION FINAL.

UM, OBVIOUSLY IF IT'S OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS IN A REALLY TOUGH SPOT, I REACHED OUT TO, UH, THE CITY OF LANE JACKSON.

CAUSE IN EFFECT WHAT'S HAPPENED IS I DON'T WANT TO, THEY BUILT MORE CAPACITY.

THEY'VE SOAKED UP WHATEVER EXCESS USED TO BE THERE.

AND SO MY THOUGHT WAS, WELL, MAYBE THEY CAN STEP IN TO FILL THE VOID.

AND THEY'VE TOLD ME THAT BASICALLY THEY'RE IN REIMBURSABLE, KINDA PRECLUDE THEM FROM BEING ABLE TO DO THAT AT THIS TIME.

SO, UH, WE CAN TWEAK THE NUMBERS, WE CAN INCREASE THE NUMBERS.

UH, YOU DO HAVE A FAIRLY HEALTHY FUND BALANCE.

YOU'VE GOT BASICALLY THREE QUARTERS OR ALMOST, YOU KNOW, FIVE, SIX OF, OF AN ANNUAL OPERATING BUDGET LEFT AND RESERVE.

BUT IF WE CONTINUE GOING DOWN THE PATH, WE'RE GOING WITH THE REVENUE TREND THE WAY IT IS, THE RESERVES WON'T BE THERE AND BE THE OA DID, DID EVERYBODY THAT WAS BEHIND OVER CATCH UP? NO, WE'VE GOT TWO VENDORS, THREE VENDORS RIGHT NOW.

THE ONE THAT WE HAD TO FILE SUIT FINALLY PAID.

UH, BUT THE OTHERS HAVE, HAVE FALLEN BEHIND AGAIN.

UM, SO NO, WE'RE STILL TRYING TO COLLECT FROM THEM.

UH, THE LATA, UH, HAD TALKED ABOUT DONATING THE RESTAURANT SITE TO US.

UH, THE NEW OWNERSHIP GROUP DOESN'T SEEM TO BE INTERESTED IN THAT NOW.

SO, UM, THEY NEED TO CATCH UP THERE.

THEY'RE NO, THEY'RE, I THINK THEY'RE PAID UP, AREN'T THEY? ? YEAH.

WHO IS IT? THEY WANT SOME PLACE.

UH, WELL, I MEAN THE STATE TAKES CARE OF THAT ANYWAY, DON'T THEY? WELL, PARKER AND OS THEY DO, BUT THEY DON'T.

SO THIS LAST CASE THAT WE HAD, WE ACTUALLY HAD TO FILE THE STUDENT DISTRICT COURT TO GET THE GUY TO PAY UP.

AND SO THAT'S, UH, YOU REMEMBER HE

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CAME BEFORE COUNCIL BEGGING FOR Y'ALL'S LENIENCY? YEAH.

MIGHT NEED TO CHECK INTO IT.

WELL, THAT'S, WE'VE SENT NASTY GRAMS AND WE'LL LEAST, I THINK WARREN'S GONE A PAID VISITS.

AND I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH, FOR THE RECORD THAT IT INVOLVED A BASEBALL BAT OR A VOICE HIT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

WE'LL GET YOU A BIGGER BAT.

I MEAN, IF, IF, IF WE'RE OPERATING AT A DEFICIT, THEY NEED TO PAY UP.

AND WITH ALL THESE CUTS, CJ ARE WE, WOULD WE STILL BE OPERATING? YEAH, YOU'RE STILL, UH, UNDER THIS MODEL, YOU'RE STILL 133 TO THE NEGATIVE MM-HMM.

UM, LIKE I SAID, WE LOOKED AT SOME DEEPER CUTS AND CAN BRING THAT FORWARD TO YOU AS WELL, IF YOU WOULD PREFER.

UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S VERY, VERY BLEAK IN THIS FUND RIGHT NOW.

HOPEFULLY IT WON'T STAY LIKE THAT FOREVER.

HOPEFULLY IT WON'T EITHER.

I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, I WOULD HOPE THAT MOST OF OUR SUMMER TRAFFIC, IF YOU LOOK, THEY'RE STAYING PRETTY FULL, BUT THEY'RE, MOST OF THE SUMMER TRAFFIC THAT USED TO BE THERE HAS BEEN EATEN UP BY INDUSTRIAL CAPACITY.

AND THOSE GUYS ARE STAYING THERE FOR 30, 40, 60 DAYS.

AND SO IT'S KIND OF, THAT'S KIND OF HAMMERED US.

AND THEN FAMILIES WANNA STAY AT A HOTEL WITH AN INTERNAL HALLWAY THAT'S CONTROLLABLE.

AND I GET THAT AS A PARENTING, YOU KNOW, WHEN I HAD, MY KIDS WERE YOUNGER, I DIDN'T WANNA HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THEM GETTING OUT AND RUNNING.

SO WE'VE GOT SOME CHALLENGES.

UH, WE HAD HOPED THAT THE NEW GROUP, OR WE'D HOPED THAT QUINTA, WHEN WE MADE THE RUN FOR THE HOTEL FOR THE RESTAURANT, WE MADE THE RUN THAT, HEY, WHAT IF WE REDUCE YOUR OVERALL FOOTPRINT AND THEN YOU REINVESTED WE MATCH YOU AND UNDER A THREE 80 AGREEMENT.

AND THAT JUST KIND OF FELL APART.

SO, UM, I MEAN WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT PEOPLE YOU SAID THAT HAVE REDUCED THE RATE TO LIKE 45 BUCKS A NIGHT.

I MEAN, JUST MAKE, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN GET A MOTEL ROOM.

I DIDN'T KNOW YOU COULD GET A MOTEL ROOM FOR 45 BUCKS A NIGHT IN THE STATE DETECTIVE, BUT I GUESS YOU CAN'T INCLUDE YEAH, NO, IT'S, IT'S, UH, AND THAT'S AGAIN, APARTMENT THAT WAY.

I MEAN, THE ONE WE STAYED IN IN AUSTIN, THAT DEFINITELY WASN'T $40 A NIGHT.

DEFINITELY WASN'T $40 A NIGHT.

THAT'S, THEY'RE TRYING TO KEEP UP, YOU KNOW, TRYING JUST KEEP BEDS, PEOPLE IN BEDS.

AND SO, UH, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PRINTED.

SO I MEAN, IF YOU'RE GETTING 45 BUCKS A NIGHT, IT'S STILL A HUNDRED DOLLARS A NIGHT.

IT'S YOUR TAX.

I MEAN, IF YOU GET 7% EXACTLY.

YOU'RE NOT, UH, NOT GETTING QUITE AS MUCH MONEY.

NO, NO.

HOPEFULLY THEY WON'T HAVE TO KEEP THEIR ROOMS AT $45 A NIGHT FOR A LONG TIME.

I WOULD HOPE NOT.

BUT I, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE WE CAN'T TELL, I WAS LISTENING TO AN ECONOMIST ON, I GUESS IT WAS WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON AND BASICALLY EVERYTHING, HIS WORK WAS WEIRD.

WE'VE BEEN IN A WEIRD PHASE WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE THE ECONOMY SHOULD BE GOING INTO RECESSION AND IT'S NOT IF WE ARE IN A PLACE WHERE THE COST OF FINANCING SHOULD BE SLOWING BUSINESS GROWTH OR BORROWING AND IT'S NOT.

AND SO THE OLD RULES DON'T SEEM TO APPLY.

SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEW REALITY'S GONNA BE THERE.

SO, WELL, WELL MEAN THE ONLY GOOD THING ABOUT IT'S THEY'RE STILL USING THE SAME AMOUNT OF WATER AND THEY'RE STILL USING THE SAME AMOUNT OF TRASH, THEY'RE STILL USING THE SAME AMOUNT OF SEWERS.

SO I MEAN THAT'S TRUE.

YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, THAT THOSE RATES ARE STILL COMING INTO OUR BRINGING IN PEOPLE THAT CREATE SALES TAX, SO.

AND YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, IF, IF THEY RAISE THE RATE ON THE ROOM FROM $45 TO $90, OUR, OUR, OUR THING, OUR OUR NUMBERS WILL DOUBLE.

SO, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR LAUREN OR MYSELF ON, WE ON THE, UH, WE WERE GIVING TWO, DIDN'T WOULDN'T GIVE 250,000 LAST YEAR TO YES.

SIGN THE SIGN AND WE'RE CUTTING IT DOWN TO 200.

YES MA'AM.

HOW'S IT GONNA AFFECT THEM? UH, NOT, WELL, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE VERY POSITIVE.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING TOO.

THAT'S, AND THAT'S THE SAME AS TRUE WITH OUR OTHER PARTNERS, THE, THE FESTIVALS AND AT THE, AT THE CHAMBER.

I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE THAT DIFFERENCE UP SOMEHOW.

MY HOPE HAD BEEN THAT WHAT WE NO LONGER HAVE, THAT MAYBE ONE OF OUR PARTNER COMMUNITIES MIGHT HAVE.

AND I WAS TOLD THAT THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

AND SO IT DOES LEAVE THEM A HARD SPOT.

I DON'T WANNA PUT ANYBODY IN THAT SPOT, BUT WE AT THE SAME TIME HAVE TO MAKE OUR CASH FLOW MAKE SENSE.

SO DOES, DOES THE CENTER FOR ARTS AND SCIENCES, DO THEY GET MONEY FROM LAKE JACKSON TOO? YES, MA'AM.

SO THEY GET MONEY FROM, OKAY.

THEY GET MONEY FROM LAKE JACKSON, THEY GET MONEY FROM CORPORATE SPONSORSHIP AND THEN THEY GET MONEY.

SO BASICALLY IT WAS ONE, TWO, I THINK IT'S THREE COMMUNITIES THAT DONATE AND THEN THEIR CORPORATE SPONSORSHIPS ON TOP AND THEN TICKETS OUT.

WE LEFT THEIRS THAT WHERE IT WAS AT? UH, WELL, WE CAN MODEL THAT RIGHT NOW.

WELL, I MEAN, HOW BAD WOULD IT KILL US IF

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IT'S JUST GONNA MAKE THAT NUMBER GET BIGGER.

NEGATIVE.

JUST DON'T OH, RIGHT THERE.

OR POSITIVE.

I MEAN, BECAUSE I MEAN, BASICALLY WHAT, WELL IT'S, CUZ I COULD TOP PUT YOU DID PUT THE FIVE.

IT'S NOT GOING, THERE WE GO.

NOW IT'S IN, I THINK BASICALLY WHEN THE, WHEN THAT THING WAS ORIGINALLY, THE AGREEMENT WAS ORIGINALLY SET UP WITH THEM.

THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING LIKE, WHAT, 40% OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YES.

AND WE HAD CUT 'EM BACK.

WE HAD SET 'EM AT A, AT A FLAT RATE SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS AGO.

I WAS GONNA SAY THEN THAT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS 20, 20 15 WHEN YOU GUYS DID THAT.

YEAH, YEAH.

WE HAD SET 'EM AT LIKE A FLAT RATE.

SO I MEAN, I MEAN, IF YOU TAKE 40% OF WHAT WE'RE GETTING, THAT'S ONLY $160,000.

SO I THINK TOO, I'VE, I'VE SAID THIS EVERY YEAR THAT I'VE BEEN HERE AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN UNPOPULAR, BUT, UH, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE GIVE TO EVEN THE, THE CHAMBERS VISITORS BUREAU, UH, IN MY OPINION, I KNOW I'VE TALKED TO THE MAYOR BEFORE ABOUT IT, THAT, UH, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A LOT IT DOES.

AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT IS GIVEN BY OTHER CITIES FOR THE SAME AMOUNT OF ADVERTISING AND UH, OUTREACH, UH, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE'RE OVERPAYING FOR SERVICE THAT WE'RE NOT SEEING ANY RETURN ON.

WELL, YOU CAN'T MEASURE IT.

I I CAN'T, I CAN'T ASK HIM THAT.

THERE'S NO WAY TO MEASURE ANYTHING THAT THEY DO.

THAT'S WHY LIKE THE ARTS AND SCIENCE, IT'S LIKE, WELL WE KNOW THE BUILDINGS THERE, WE KNOW PEOPLE GO TO IT.

WE KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE SHOWING UP AND STUFF AND THE CHAMBER'S LIKE NO, YOU JUST CAN'T MEASURE IT.

THEY DON'T EVEN SHOW US THE MAGAZINES.

THEY'RE PUTTING THE ADS IN EITHER.

LIKE, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE HOW MANY PROOF ANY OF THIS STUFF IS BEING DONE.

WE'RE JUST BEING TOLD IT'S BEING DONE.

WELL, I THINK, I THINK THEY'RE PROBABLY DOING IT.

UM, LIKE I SAID , I'M JUST SAYING.

BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, WE WERE, WE TRIED TO BE EQUITABLE IN THE CUTS IN THIS MODEL AND IN THE OTHER MODELS TO TRY AND KEEP THEM ABOUT THE SAME.

UM, TALKING TO CORIN, UH, UH, I THINK AT THIS NUMBER THAT'S FOUR SHOWS OR THREE SHOWS.

CAUSE I'VE ALREADY, CAUSE I'VE ALREADY PAID FOR, FOR ONE SHOW OUT OF THIS BUDGET YEAR.

AND THEN I HAVE CREDIT CAUSE ONE SHOW WAS CANCELED AND THEY'VE GIVEN ME CREDIT FOR ANOTHER SHOW.

AND THEN, UM, I HAVE ANOTHER SHOW THAT IS BEING PAID FOR.

UM, IT'S BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY IN THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR.

UM, SO I HAVE THREE SHOWS THAT WOULD BE IN THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR AND I HAVE SIX SHOWS THIS YEAR.

SO, AND I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE OPERATING COST THERE, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE, WE'VE MODELED, WE CAN GO DEEPER ON THIS IF WE NEED TO, UM, TO GET US THE BALANCE.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO, I HATE TO USE THE WORDS THAT THEY USE IN WASHINGTON, BUT TRYING TO FIND A SOFT LANDING FOR SOME OF THESE PARTNERS.

WELL WHEN, WHEN YOU DRAW $900,000 A YEAR INSTEAD, THE $400,000 A YEAR, IT'S EASIER TO, IT'S EASIER TO FINANCE.

THEY'VE OVER LEVERAGED THEMSELVES.

BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF THINGS YOU CAN SPEND THIS DOLLARS ON IT.

THAT'S CORRECT.

SO I MEAN, WHEN, IF YOUR REVENUE'S CUT IN HALF, THEN YOU GOTTA, TYPICALLY YOUR DONATION SHOULD BE CUT IN HALF, RIGHT? YEAH, I'LL TELL YOU THAT BECAUSE OF HOTEL JACKSON ADDING CAPACITY FOR THEIR NUMBERS ARE INCREASING IN THE WAY THAT LAKE JACKSON DOES A, I CAN'T HEAR YOU.

THE PERCENTAGE GOES TO THE CENTER AND TO THE, INSTEAD OF EVERYTHING.

SO INSTEAD OF A FLAT PAYMENT, IF LAKE JACKSON'S GETTING MORE ROOM NIGHTS, THEN THEIR MONEY TO THE CHAMBER AND EVERYTHING IS GOING UP.

WELL THAT'S, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S, I HAD A LONG TALK WITH THEM ABOUT THAT EARLIER THIS WEEK.

I MEAN I UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY THING, BUT I MEAN THE INCOME IS THERE.

NO, YEAH, NO, IT'S DEFINITELY COMING IN.

THEY'VE DEFINITELY GOT MORE REVENUE.

THE PROBLEM IS, IS THE WAY THEY'VE STRUCTURED THOSE AGREEMENTS, THEY'VE TETHERED THEMSELVES ON TWO CASES TO A HUNDRED PERCENT PAYBACK ESSENTIALLY OVER 10 YEARS.

AND THAT'S WHY I WAS HOPING THAT THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO STEP UP CUZ THEY WERE GAINING THE, THE EXTRA CASH, SO, YAY.

BUT THAT'S, THIS IS THE BLEAK AST PICTURE WE'VE LOOKED AT SO FAR.

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THIS WAS DIRECTING .

SO I MEAN, WE GOTTA DO WHAT WE GOTTA DO.

AND, AND TRY TO GET AS FAR AS EVEN AS POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW.

TIMES GET TOUGH.

YOU HAVE TO TIGHTEN YOUR BELT JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.

WELL WE WILL, UH, WE'LL CONTINUE TWEAKING, BUT YEAH, WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE, MAKE SURE WE SHARED THAT WITH YOU GUYS.

UH, IT DOES GET A LITTLE BIT BETTER FROM HERE.

SO HOPEFULLY MAYBE, UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CORIN? ALL RIGHT.

NOTHING.

I AIN'T IN THERE.

HOPEFULLY IT'LL GET BETTER.

THANK YOU, LAUREN.

LOOKS LIKE IT'S JUST YOU AND ME NOW.

WELL, AND JERRY CAN'T STAY LIKE THAT FOREVER IF IT DOES, EVERYBODY CLOSING EM DOWN THE PERIOD.

OH, HERE WE GO.

KIND OF THE EXCITING PART, YOU GUYS, THIS IS WHERE ALL THE ACTION IS NOT REALLY LOOKING AT GENERAL FUND ADMINISTRATION.

UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY BUDGETED A, UH, I KNOW I'M NOT BEING ALLOWED ENOUGH.

AM I? I'M SORRY.

OH, OKAY.

UH, LOOKING AT, UH, GENERAL FUND ADMINISTRATION, UH, WE DO HAVE STILL SCHEDULED THIS YEAR THE PAYOUT TO, UH, KROGER TO FINALIZE THAT NOTE PAYOUT FOR MORTGAGE AS IT WERE.

UH, AND THEN THE RE RESIDUALS TO ACCRUAL, UH, NON-DEPARTMENTAL FOUR 17 IS WHERE THAT, THAT ALL GETS HANDLED.

UH, THAT'S ALSO OUR ENTER FUND TRANSFERS.

UH, BUT I WANT TO TALK REAL QUICK ABOUT OUR DEBT SITUATION.

SO I'M GONNA PULL UP, UH, HOLD ON.

SO THIS IS OUR CONSOLIDATED DEBT SHEET.

UH, THIS IS ALL OUR, OUR DIFFERENT, UH, BONDS THAT ARE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THE GENERAL FUND IS ON THE HOOK FOR, ACTUALLY YOU PROBABLY CAN'T SEE CAUSE THAT IS TINY.

LET'S GO JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE.

GENERAL FUND IS CURRENTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR ABOUT $3.6 MILLION IN A TOTAL DEBT.

THAT'S ONLY ABOUT A THIRD OF WHAT WE OWE, UH, CON COMPARED TO EVERYBODY ELSE.

WE HAVE TWO SIZABLE NOTES THAT WILL BE RETIRING PRETTY SOON.

UH, THAT WOULD BE THE E D C NOTE, WHICH WAS LET BY THE, I GUESS IT WAS LET BY THE CITY AND THEN FINANCED BY THE E D C, CORRECT? MM-HMM.

SO THAT'S THIS PAYMENT HERE ON AVERAGE ABOUT $300,000 A YEAR.

THAT WILL FALL OFF AFTER NEXT YEAR, WHICH WILL GIVE US ADDITIONAL CAPACITY.

THAT'S THE KROGER, RIGHT? UH, NO, NO, SIR.

THAT IS THE, UH, THAT IS ACTUALLY, UH, THE, THIS BUILDING AND THE BR HESTER BUILDING AND PART OF THE FIRE STATION.

OH, THE EDC DID THAT.

SO WHEN THE EDC WAS ADOPTED, UH, BY THROUGH AN ELECTION, UH, THEY LISTED THOSE THINGS AS THE PURPOSE OF THE EDC.

THEY LISTED LIKE FIVE BUILDINGS.

AND SO THE, UH, THE EDC IS ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THOSE COST SHARING, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A GREAT BENEFIT TO THE CITY.

REALLY.

THAT WAS GREAT, GREAT THINKING.

UH, WE'RE ONE OF PROBABLY THE ONLY EDCS IN THE ENTIRE STATE THAT CAN DO THAT.

SO INTERESTING.

IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE, SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE POOL HOUSE.

THIS, THIS BUILDING AND THE POLICE STATION RENOVATION THAT WERE IN THAT CO YEAH.

SO THAT FALLS OFF AT THAT POINT.

HOW MINIMIZE AND THEN KINDA STRETCH IT.

AND THAT WAS ABOUT 17 YEARS AGO.

SO IT SHOULD BE ABOUT PAID OFF.

YEAH, SO THAT ONE'S ALMOST DONE.

UH, TYPICALLY WHEN WE DO DEBT, WE STRUCTURE IT FOR 21 YEARS.

UH, STATE LOSSES YOU CAN GO OUT TO 30, UH, BUT YOU USUALLY DO BETTER ON YOUR SALE AND YOUR RATE IF YOU DO 21.

SO A LOT OF THESE LOOK LIKE THAT.

UH, THIS IS, UH, 2009.

THAT'S ENTERPRISE 2013 IS A SHARED, UH, DEBT ISSUE BETWEEN THE CITY OR BETWEEN THE EDC AND ENTERPRISE TOTAL ABOUT 7.5.

UH, THAT ONE DOESN'T RETIRE UNTIL 2033, BUT BETWEEN THOSE TWO, SO THE WAY THAT WE FIGURED DEBT CAPACITY IS THE OVERALL INCOME OF THE CITY, THE OVERALL VALUE OF THE CITY, THE DEBT OWNED BY THE CITY, BUT ALSO THE CAPACITY OF THE HOMEOWNER TO PAY.

AND SO, IF YOU'LL RECALL, WHEN WE DID OUR DEBT ISSUE IN 2020, WE WERE RIGHT NEXT TO BRUSHING UP AGAINST AAA RATING, WHICH WOULD LOWER AN ALREADY LOW INTEREST RATE OF FOUR POINT HALF PERCENT TO THREE POINT HALF PERCENT.

BUT WHAT KEPT US FROM GETTING THAT AAA WAS THE AMOUNT OF HOUSEHOLD DEBT OWNED IN CLOT.

UM, AND SO, UH, SPEC REALLY SPECIFICALLY THE BANKERS IN NEW YORK POINTED OUT THAT EVERYBODY HAD REALLY NICE TRUCKS.

AND I WAS LIKE, WELL, NOT ME, BUT EVERYBODY ELSE DOES.

ARE STARTING TO FALL AWAY FROM THOSE HOMES AS WELL AS OUR AMORTIZATION.

SO, UH, BUT THEY BASICALLY, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT ALL THAT STUFF.

THEY COMBINE IT TOGETHER.

THE HOPE IS IS THAT THOSE AMORTIZATIONS

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UH, SO WE SHOULD HAVE A BOUNCE THAT GIVEN THE, GIVEN THE INCREASE IN VALUE, WE SHOULD ALSO HAVE A BALANCE IN THE, IN THE AVAILABLE DEBT CAPACITY.

CUZ WE DO HAVE SOME VERY LARGE PROJECTS COMING UP.

WE AS TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, WE'RE AT ABOUT 52% OF CAPACITY ON A AVERAGE DAY AT THE WATER PLANT.

I DON'T WANNA SAY WHAT HAPPENS WHEN IT RAINS.

UH, BUT ONCE YOU BUMP UP AGAINST 60, YOU'VE GOTTA START PUTTING TOGETHER YOUR PLAN OF FINANCE.

70.

YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE A PLAN AND AN 80, YOU'VE GOTTA BE UNDERWAY.

SO WE DON'T WANT TO GET THERE WITHOUT HAVING THE CAPACITY TO START REACTING TO THAT.

AT THE SAME TIME WE TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES AT FIRE STATION NUMBER ONE, UH, CHIEF DID A GREAT JOB OF CONTAINING HIMSELF FROM COVETING AND, AND COMPLAINING CUZ THE POLICE STATION HAS BASICALLY REACHED THE IN OF ITS USEFUL LIFE AS IN ITS CURRENT STATE.

UM, WE'VE STUCK GUM INTO HOLES AND TRIED TO KEEP THE AC RUNNING, YOU KNOW, WITH UH, I THINK AT ONE POINT IT WAS ON A TREADMILL.

SO, UH, BUT THEY, THEY'VE WORKED REALLY, REALLY HARD TO KEEP THAT FACILITY GOING.

SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPLACE THOSE FACILITIES AND THEN IT WOULD BE GOOD TO GET PUBLIC WORKS OUT OF THE FACILITY THEY'RE AT.

AND CUZ IT DOESN'T, THAT'S THE CENTER OF TOWN.

IT SHOULD BE MORE OF A PARK FACILITY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO, UH, WE'VE GOT THOSE PLANS UNDERWAY.

UH, WE'RE YEARS AWAY FROM BEING ABLE TO DO SOME OF THAT.

BUT THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT WE ARE GETTING CLOSER, UH, GETTING CLOSER TO DO THAT.

UH, SO THE AVERAGE OR THE ACTUAL BURDEN PAID BY THE CITY, BY THE GENERAL FUND THIS YEAR THROUGH TAXES IS THIS NUMBER RIGHT HERE.

360 9 6 27.

UM, ACTUALLY IT'S BROKEN OUT.

YOU CAN SEE THE EDC THIS YEAR WILL PAY $582,000 IN DEBT PAYMENT, SIDEWALK STREETS AND DRAINAGE.

WE DID A CHARTER CHANGE, UH, IF YOU'LL RECALL BACK IN 2019, THAT ALLOWS THEM TO PARTICIPATE IN DEBT RELATED TO PROJECTS CONDUCTED UNDER THEIR AUSPICES.

UH, SO THAT'S 171.

UH, AND THEN THE ENTERPRISE FUND IS ON THE HOOK ALREADY FOR A MILLION DOLLARS.

AND I CAN TELL YOU ONCE WE GET TO NEW PLANT TIME, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SIGNIFICANT, SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY.

SO, UH, POWERBALL I THINK TURNED OVER AGAIN LAST, OR IS IT? YEAH, SO TURNED OVER AGAIN.

SO IT'S LIKE 870 MILLION.

WE WILL NAME THE FACILITY OF YOUR CHOOSING IF YOU I BOUGHT A TICKET.

DID YOU? I HAVEN'T WON EITHER, BUT YOU KNOW, WE WILL, WE'LL, WE'LL FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET YOU SPONSORED, UH, SPONSORING US THERE.

UH, SO THAT'S FUND FOUR 17.

UM, LIKE I SAID, ALL THE TRANSFERS, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE A CRAZY JUMBLED MESS, BUT THAT'S WHERE ALL THE MONEY COMES INTO AND OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.

UH, BUT FOR THE CAPITAL, UH, CAPITAL EXCHANGE ITEMS AND CAPITAL OUTLAYS, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, WE'RE UP JUST A LITTLE BIT.

UH, BUT THAT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THE, UH, COLA INCREASES IN THE ADDITION OF STAFF YEAR OVER YEAR.

UM, THE ASSIGNMENT THERE AND THEN LOOKING AT THE, UH, SUPPLIES, EVERYTHING BASICALLY UP JUST SLIGHTLY.

BUT AGAIN, THAT'S THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS MAINTENANCE WISE.

WE DID INCLUDE, UM, THE AC IN HERE HAS BEEN A PROBLEM.

SO, UH, JERRY'S DONE A REALLY GREAT JOB OF FASHIONING IT.

LITERALLY, UH, THE SQUIRREL CAGES, YOU GUYS SHOULD SEE 'EM.

THEY'RE PRETTY DAGG AND AWESOME, BUT THEY HAVE FINAGLED THEIR WAY INTO BLOWERS, BLOWER MOTORS THAT WE'VE KIND OF HAND-BUILT AND THEN ATTACHED 'EM TO THE AC UNITS TO KEEP 'EM GOING ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.

WE DID GET TWO BLOWER MOTORS A YEAR AND A HALF AFTER ORDERING THEM A WEEK AGO.

SO THOSE ARE ON THIS END OF THE HOUSE.

UM, BUT THAT WE'VE, WE, WE KNOW THAT'S AN ONGOING ISSUE HERE.

UH, AND THEN SERVICES, UH, THE, UH, THE CONTRACTS FOR SOFTWARE HAVE GONE UP SIGNIFICANTLY, BUT THOSE ARE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THE NUMBERS.

UM, LEGISLATIVE, WHICH IS Y'ALLS MONEY, UH, EVERYTHING BASICALLY HOLDING STEADY.

UH, WE DID TAKE A LOOK AT THE SERVICES AND REDUCED IT SLIGHTLY, I WANT TO SAY.

UH, PART OF THAT WAS SOME CONSULTING SERVICES THAT WE, UH, THAT WE CUT, UH, THAT WE HADN'T USED IN A COUPLE YEARS.

WE DID LEAVE ABOUT $15,000 IN THERE THOUGH, SO THAT WE COULD, WE DECIDED WE WANTED TO START THE PROCESS TOWARDS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, SO THAT WE CAN CHANGE THE ZONING THAT MONEY'S IN THERE COMING OFF OF THE LIVABLE CENTER STUDY.

LEGAL SERVICES, UH, IN ESSENCE REMAIN THE SAME.

WE DID INCLUDE SOME MONEY FOR ADDITIONAL LITIGATION COSTS THIS YEAR, UH, AS WE ANTICIPATE A COUPLE OF OF CASES, UH, MUNICIPAL COURT BASICALLY HELD THE SAME, UH, SANDS THE COLA, UH, AND THE ADDITION OF NEW STAFF IN THERE.

BUT THEY, UH, THEY NO VEHICLE PURCHASE, NO SIGNIFICANT CAPITAL OUTLAYS COMING.

UH, AND THEN BUILDING CODE AND ENFORCEMENT, EVERYTHING BASICALLY HELD THE SAME.

WE HAD COMP CONTEMPLATED, UH, GETTING JERRY SOME ASSISTANCE.

UM, BUT WE JUST CAN SLIDE IT INTO THE BUDGET AT THIS POINT IF

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WE, IF IT LOOKS LIKE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO.

UH, HE'S PROMISED US EIGHT AND A HALF MORE YEARS.

PROBABLY ROUGH ME OFF FOR THEN BLANK.

SO 10 YEARS THEN, RIGHT? AS LONG AS I'M ABLE, GOOD LORD WILL SHINE ON ME AND KEEP ME HEALTHY.

I'LL BE HERE.

I'LL HAVE NOWHERE TO GO.

MY HOME.

I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 1979.

SO I WOULDN'T MAKE ONE STATEMENT.

I'M THANKFUL FOR SOME OF THE TAX DOLLARS I SPENT THROUGH THOSE YEARS FOR EDUCATIONS THAT WE'RE GETTING FOR OUR KIDS NOW AND NICE FACILITIES THAT WE, THAT WE HAVE.

SO EVERY TIME I LOOK AND SEE STUFF LIKE THAT, IT, IT LIFTS ME UP.

CAUSE THIS TOWN IS NO NEED FOR IT TO STAY.

LIKE IT IS.

IT NEEDS TO KEEP COMING UP.

WE GOT A LOT OF GOOD THINGS ON THE HORIZON.

I'LL QUIT.

NO, NO.

THAT WAS, BUT, UH, UH, BUILDING WISE, YEAH.

IF YOU WANNA KIND OF GIVE 'EM A RUNDOWN.

BUILDING WISE, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD REALLY WELL.

WE'RE, UH, WE GOT, UH, ONLY HAVE 10 HOUSES LEFT TO GET 'EM OFF THE GROUND IN COLLEGE PARK.

IN THIS LAST SUBDIVISION, WE GOT 'EM ALL OUT OF 35.

WE GOT 25 OF 'EM, PARTIALLY FINISHED ALL THE WAY FINISHED AND STILL IN THE WORKS WOOD SHORE, UH, CASTLE ROCK FINALLY DECIDED TO DO 6 0 3 WATER GRASS.

SO WE GOT ONE FIXING TO HAPPEN ON, ON WATER GRASS AND, UH, ANGLE IS FIXING AND HAVE THE THIRD ONE GOING.

SO, AND, UH, COMMERCIAL WISE, KFC FINALLY COMING IN TOWN.

WE GOT, ALL THEIR PERMITS HAVE BEEN ISSUED.

WE'RE JUST WAITING ON THEM TO FINISH COMING IN, PAYING FOR THEIR PERMITS.

WE'RE HOPEFULLY GET, GET THAT STARTED REALLY REAL SOON.

MS. MADDOX, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO CHANGE YOUR PARKING SPOT.

WE'LL BE CHECKING BY THIS TIME NEXT YEAR.

ANYWAY, THAT'S THE GOAL.

, ARE WE STILL, IS THAT ALL WE'RE WAITING FOR? IS THAT, CUZ I REMEMBER WE HAD, IT WAS MY LANDLORD.

I THINK IT WAS ORIGINALLY WAS THE PROBLEM.

YEAH, THE LANDLORD, THE, THE, THE, UH, INVESTOR FROM PORTLAND, UH, HAS BEEN FUN TO DEAL WITH.

I'VE NEVER, I'VE NEVER DEALT WITH THEM.

I JUST DON'T, WELL WE, I SAY DEALT WITH, WE EXCHANGE EMAILS WITH SOMEBODY AT A GMAIL ACCOUNT AND THEN GET LETTERS EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.

SO, OH, IS THAT THE DENTIST? DID WE OMI THEM? WELL AND OR THE DOCTOR YES.

THE SALES TAX.

BUT IN ALL FAIRNESS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE IN PORTLAND, THEY'RE PROBABLY IN A, IT'S LIKE A CORNER ZONE RIGHT NOW.

TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA, COUNCIL MEMBER THAT WE ACTUALLY OWE THEM SOME SALES TAX AND THEY HAVE NOT EVEN BOTHERED TO ASK.

SO THEY SAID WHAT? WELL, WE DID A THREE 80 AGREEMENT FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT, THAT SEGMENT.

OR THAT SHOPPING CENTER.

AND WE OWE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY AND THEY HAVE NOT EVEN BOTHERED TO ASK.

SO, WELL, YOU, YOU DONE GOTTA TELL 'EM THAT.

YEAH, NO, WE, WE, WE WERE HOLDING DOWN TO IT UNTIL WE HEAR FROM THEM.

AND WE HAVE THE, UH, ROAD STAR STATION ON THE CORNER, 2 88.

UH, WE GOT THE TANK PUT IN THE GROUND FINALLY AND FLOODED SO IT WON'T COME BACK OUT OF THE GROUND IF WE GOT OUR BIG RAIN.

BUT WE GOT IT BACKED IN, UH, PEAK GRAVEL IN AND COMPACTED IN REALLY WELL.

SKYRIDGE TWO EIGHT.

AND THE STATION IS ITSELF PHYSICALLY IS COMING UP.

WE GOT THE BLOCK GOING ON RIGHT NOW, LAYING THE BLOCK.

SO THAT'S ONE MORE, UH, COMMERCIAL FACILITY ROAD, UH, STORAGE FACILITY BEHIND.

IT'S MOVING ALONG.

WE'RE GOT SOME OBSTACLES IN THE WAY STILL TO GET THAT, WHERE THAT CAN OPEN.

WE LOOKING AT TRYING TO GET, GET 'EM, UH, A TEMPORARY SEAL FOR THE BOTTOM AT LEAST WHERE THEY GET SOME WATER IN THERE.

BUT WE GOT FIRE LINE ISSUES YET JOHN.

AND, UH, WE'RE ALL WORKING ON THAT, GETTING THAT RELOCATED, GETTING IT BLANKED OFF AND MOVED OVER TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION.

THEY'LL SERVE THE WHOLE, UH, THEY'LL SERVE THE WHOLE CENTER THERE.

SO OTHERWISE GONNA SAY WE DO HAVE, UH, WE, THE DEVELOPER AT COLLEGE PARK IS IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO OBTAIN SOME ADDITIONAL ACREAGE TO THE SOUTH TO EXPAND THAT PROJECT, UH, WITH A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT OFFERING, UH, ALONG THE CREEK.

UH, AND THEN WE ALSO HAD OUR INITIAL KICKOFF MEETING, UH, WITH THE DEVELOPER WHO'S LOOKING TO DEVELOP THE LAKE BARBER AREA.

SO, UH, WE'RE HOPEFUL TO BRING THOSE, THOSE TWO, UH, PROJECTS TO LIFE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.

Y'ALL BE GETTING A PLAT PRETTY QUICK OR REPLANT PRETTY QUICK FOR, UH, ASH ON THE CORNER OF ASH AND GRAVE.

AND THEN, UH, WE'VE ALSO BEEN TALKING WITH SOME FOLKS ON THE AUSTIN STREET AREA, THE AUSTIN SUBDIVISION, THE GREAT GRANDSON.

AND WE'VE ALSO GETTING SOME MORE HOUSES BUILT IN THE OLD PART OF TOWN.

WE'RE LOOKING, WE'RE UH,

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A GUY WANTING TO MAKE TWO LIGHTS THERE.

WE CAN BUILD TWO MORE NEW HOMES.

SO, AND WE GOT ONE NEW HOME GOING IN ON HARGET RIGHT NOW.

2 32 FELLA THAT WORKED FOR KELSO THERE FOR YEARS.

WHAT USED TO BERN KELSO MATERIALS.

BUT ANYWAY, WE GOT, WE'RE PUSHING TO GET ALL, PUSHING TO GET ALL THE NEW HOUSES I CAN GET FOR US.

LIFTING US UP AND NOT PUSHING US DOWN.

THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT ENOUGH OF.

ENOUGH OF BEING CALLED AN INDUSTRIAL TOWN.

IT'S TIME FOR TO BE CALLED OR GOOD RESIDENTS.

A PLACE FOR PEOPLE, FOLKS TO LIVE.

AMEN.

CALL ALL THE HOUSE FLIPPERS AND TELL 'EM TO GET HERE.

SO JERRY, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE DONE.

I KNOW YOU, I KNOW YOU'RE COVERED UP AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, I THANK LOT OF WORK FOR ONE PERSON, BUT MANAGED TO GET IT DONE.

IF WE REFLECT ON, I'LL ITERATE THIS AGAIN, THEN I'LL HUSH ABOUT IT AT THE MOMENT, IF WE REITERATE THE FIRE ONE STATION, IT HAS LITERALLY BEEN A NIGHTMARE.

AND WE ALL LOOK AT OUR CELL PHONE AT WHEREVER WE'VE, WHATEVER PARTS WE'VE PLAYED IN IT, IT'S STILL, WE STILL CAN FIX IT TO MAKE IT GO.

IF AND IF WE END UP HAVING TO GET ANOTHER ENGINEERING FIRM TO REDO THE H V A C SYSTEM, THEN YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.

THAT'S GOING TO BE A HUGE EXPENSE.

THERE'S SEVEN UNITS IN THAT BUILDING.

AND I'M NOT HERE TO SAY THAT THIS UNDERSIZED OR OVERSIZED, I DO BELIEVE IT PROBABLY DOES HAVE A LITTLE MORE TONN THAN IT SHOULD HAVE HAD, BUT THE WAY IT'S DISTRIBUTED FROM THE ORIGINAL GET-GO, UH, THE, THE DUCT WORK AND STUFF.

BUT IT'S, IT'S BEEN CRAZY.

LIKE I JUST, I COULD WRITE YOU A BOOK ON IT.

I MEAN, I GOT A FOLDER OF THIS STICK ON THAT BUILDING THAT'S GOING TO GO THE LITIGATION.

UH, IT'S JUST BEEN CRAZY.

HOW SOON HAVE WE BEEN, UH, WE'RE WE'RE READY TO FILE NOW.

SO OUR DEADLINE IS OCTOBER ONE, BUT WE'LL BE FILING BEFORE THIS.

GOOD.

ANDREA, I THINK YOU DO A GREAT JOB AND ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE TALKED TO CJ WITH IS IN, IN THE NEXT UPCOMING BUDGETS IS, IS LOOKING FOR EITHER AN ASSISTANT OR SOMEONE THAT JERRY CAN TRAIN BECAUSE I THINK THAT JERRY'S BEEN, IS A CRITICAL PART TO, TO OUR MUNICIPALITY.

UM, AND I THINK IF WE CAN GET SOMEBODY THAT HE CAN TRAIN IN, IN TIME, I THINK IT, IT WOULD SERVE US GOOD.

GREAT.

WE DID HAVE A, WE DID HAVE A POSITION SLATED.

WE CAN LOOK AT MODELING THAT BACK IN.

UH, I MEAN IF WE, IF WE COULD, IT'D BE GOOD IF NOT, I MEAN WE COULD ALWAYS LOOK AT IT NEXT BUDGET, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.

AND THAT'LL GIVE HIM LIKE SEVEN AND A HALF YEARS TO TRAIN SOMEBODY.

, APPRECIATE YOU MAYOR.

YOU BET.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TOO.

I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WORKING HARD.

I LOVE MY LIFE NOW.

IN FACT, I HAD MY SEVEN YEARS OLD, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

I HAD SEVEN, SEVEN.

I HAD TO TELL 'EM THURSDAY AND THEN KNOCK OFF EARLY.

CUZ THEY WERE, I THINK THEY CAME IN AFTER BEING IN THE HEAT ALL DAY AND YEAH.

JERRY, WHEN YOU CAME DOWN HERE, THE WORD WHEN, WHEN YOU WERE STANDING AT THE GATE OUT THERE, THE WORD WAS, IF YOU CAN'T GET IT, YOU CAN'T STAY .

SAY THAT LOUDER.

I SAID, I SAID THE WORD AT THE GATE WHEN YOU CAME TO WORK DOWN HERE WAS IF YOU CAN'T GET IT, YOU CAN'T STAY.

THAT'S RIGHT.

THE GOOD SAYING IS, CAN'T DON'T SAYS CAN'T DON'T LIVE HERE.

OF MONEY INTO TEXT PULLING TEXT CLASS, BUT WE DID LEAVE SOME WITH UBS AND UH, THAT BET KIND OF PAID OFF FOR US.

WE WHOOP HIM UNTIL HE CUT .

THAT'S ANOTHER OLD SOUND PUT IN THE BOOK.

EDC IS THE VERY LAST WE'VE DISCUSSED MOST OF WHAT THEY, UH, WHAT THEY INTEND TO DO THIS YEAR.

OH YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

I'LL STOP FOR TWO SECONDS.

SO YOU'RE SAVING THAT FOR LATER.

EDC UH, LOOKING AT THE SAME 3.4% INCREASE IN OVERALL REVENUE, UH, THEY HAD A PHENOMENAL YEAR ALSO IN INTEREST GENERATION.

UH, YOU NOTICE THAT THE CERTAIN FUNDS DO BETTER THAN OTHERS AND IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHERE WE HAVE THEIR INVESTMENTS TUCKED AWAY AT MM-HMM.

SO, UH, THEY'VE DONE, THEY DID VERY, VERY WELL THIS YEAR.

WE MOVED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT

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SO, UH, BUT, BUT THEY'VE ALSO HAD THOSE YEARS WHERE IT HASN'T PAID OFF FOR US.

UH, IN TERMS OF SPECIAL REVENUE, UH, WE'VE ARE NOT PAYING DOWN THIS NUMBER AGAIN REFLECTS THE PAYMENT DOWN OF THE EDC PORTION OF THE KROGER PROJECT.

UH, ONCE THAT'S RETIRED, UH, WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT OR OUTFLOW OF CASH AND A DIFFERENTIAL OF ABOUT 131 TO, TO THE NEGATIVE RIGHT NOW.

UH, BUT THAT ENTAILS SEVERAL PROJECTS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT COME TO FRUITION.

UH, OBVIOUSLY THEIR DEBT SERVICE HAS TO COME FRUIT TO FRUITION AND WE'RE LOOKING AT AN OVERALL FIGURE THERE OF ALMOST $600,000 IN TERMS OF CAPITAL OUTLAY.

WE HAVE BUDGETED FOR PROPERTY PURCHASES, UH, OR PURCHASE DEPENDING ON WHERE WE COME AT PRICE-WISE.

UH, BUT IT DOES INCLUDE THE, UH, INSTALLATION OR CREATION OF THE, UH, MONUMENTATION PLACEMAKING, UH, NEW SIGNAGE, UH, AT AT LEAST ONE SITE, MAYBE TWO.

UH, WE'LL SEE.

UH, AND THEN SOME MONEY IN THERE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION CONTINUED, UH, WORK AT, UH, FIRE STATION NUMBER, UH, NUMBER ONE, UH, UNDER SUNDRY.

UH, THEY DID, UH, TAKE OVER THE STRATEGIC PLANNING, THE BRANDING, UH, AND THE, UH, WILL CONTINUE THE EDC RENOVATION INCENTIVIZATION FOR SMALL BUSINESS.

UH, WE DID CUT BACK A LITTLE BIT ON THAT, BUT UH, WE FELT LIKE IT WAS IMPORTANT TO TRY TO GET THE, THE ECONOMIC STRATEGIC PLANNING DONE AND THE BRANDING DONE IN THE NEXT YEAR.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? NO, I KNOW WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER A POTENTIAL, UH, GRANT FOR E-COMMERCE.

YEAH, YOU KNOW WHAT? UH, I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT.

THAT TOTALLY I BLANKED ON IT.

WE CAN PUT THAT IN THERE AND TAKE THAT BACK TO EBC.

UM, IF YOU COULD.

IT IS JUST AN IDEA AND I'LL TELL THE REST THE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER YOU GO OUT TO A CITY, ESPECIALLY A CITY LIKE LTE, UH, WHETHER THEY COME TO THE BEACH OR SOMEWHERE, FIRST THING YOU DO IS GOOGLE WHERE TO EAT.

A LOT OF OUR SMALL BUSINESSES DON'T HAVE WEBSITES OR THEY'RE NOT ON, OR THEY'RE NOT ON GOOGLE.

UH, I WENT TO THE CITY OF DENISON AND THEY OFFER AN E-COMMERCE GRANT.

THEIR EDC OFFERS AN E-COMMERCE GRANT TO WHERE IF A SMALL BUSINESS WANTS TO GET ON THE WEB SO THAT THEY CAN DO MOBILE ORDERS OR THINGS LIKE THAT, THEY CAN APPLY FOR A E D C GRANT OF ABOUT $2,500.

UH, AND THAT'LL HELP THE START OF COST OF A WEBSITE.

UM, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

SO, WELL THAT COULD BE, THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THAT, INTO THE RENOVATION PROGRAM.

HUH? WE CAN PUT IT IN THERE.

WE CAN AUGMENT IT AS WELL.

I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

IT'S NOT BE APPROVED OUT OF RIGHT NOW ON THOSE LISTS, BUT IT COULD BE PUT IN THERE, CORRECT.

WE COULD, WE CAN ADD IT TO THE, THE GRANT APPLICATION.

WE JUST NEED TO GET EDC TO AGREED TO.

SO MY APOLOGIES.

IT'S NO, YOU'RE GOOD.

I WE HAVE A COUPLE OTHER THINGS GOING ON IN THE BUDGET, SO IT'S YEAH, YEAH, I KNOW.

SO YEAH, AND I THINK WE COVERED ALL OF THE BIG PROJECTS, UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE THAT I DON'T WANNA BRING UP.

SO, UM, OH, WE DO HAVE INTEREST IN THE LONE STAR BUILDING AGAIN, UH, FOR WHAT THE LONE STAR FURNITURE BUSINESS BUILDING.

UH, THERE'S AN INTEREST THERE, THERE IS AN INTEREST THERE.

UH, THE INDIVIDUALS THAT DO THE MARKETING FOR THAT AND SO THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE FRONT BUILDING DOWN AND LEAVE THE BACK FOR STORAGE.

UH, AND THEN LOOK AT A COUPLE OF PAD SITES POTENTIALLY IN THE FRONT.

SO, SO TEAR DOWN, COMPLETELY REBUILD RIGHT THERE.

IT, WHEN YOU SAY THE BACK BUILDING FOR STORAGE, THERE'S LIKE A BIG METAL BACK BUILDING OR SOMETHING? THERE'S A HUGE BLOCK, UH, I THINK IT'S CENTER BLOCK, BUT IT BACKS UP TO, BUT IT GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO, UH, FLAG LAKE DRIVE, RIGHT? YEAH.

SO THEY WOULD TAKE THAT FRONT DOWN SUBDIVIDE THAT PUT TO, UH, SINGLE STANDING PAD SITES.

OKAY, COOL.

FOR USE BY POTENTIALLY RESTAURANTS.

AND THEN BEHIND THAT WOULD BE A WAREHOUSE SITE.

OH, COOL.

THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE LONE STAR FURNITURE.

NO, YOU'RE GOOD.

IT JUST POPPED IN MY HEAD A SECOND AGO.

SO THAT IT, THAT'S ALL WE HAVE FOR TODAY.

WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION.

YEAH, I TALKED TO MS. NIK UH, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.

WHERE ARE WE AT ON OUR APPRAISAL? HAVE THEY, HAVE THEY TOUCHED BASE WITH YOU? UH, I TALKED TO MS. I KNOW, I KNOW IT'S NOT GONNA STAY AT A BILLION DOLLARS.

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SHE TOLD ME THAT WE WOULD HAVE NUMBERS BY TODAY, BUT THEY DID NOT COME IN YESTERDAY.

UH, SO I ALSO TALKED TO PEARLAND, ANGLETON AND SWEENEY YESTERDAY.

NONE OF THEM HAVE GOTTEN REVISED NUMBERS YET, BUT SWEENEY WAS TOLD TO EXPECT A 40 TO 45% DROP IN WHAT THEIR INITIAL WAS.

GEEZ.

SO, WELL, I I, I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS BECAUSE I JUST, JEFF AND I WENT DID ONE OF THE BREAKS.

WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT, I HAVEN'T BEEN UP THERE YET TO MAN FOR MINE, BUT JEFF WAS SAYING THAT THEY'RE BASICALLY TELLING YOU SORRY, SUCKER.

YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE BEEN SAYING.

UH, THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO PUT IT.

IT'S, IT'S BEEN A TOUGH FIGHT UP THERE, BUT THEY ARE APPARENTLY DOING SOME MOVEMENT, AT LEAST ON THE WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA SEE HERE.

SHE WOULDN'T SAY, AND MARCEL WON'T ANSWER HIS PHONE, WHICH I DON'T BLAME HIM.

UM, SO I KNOW THAT WE'LL PROBABLY SEE SOMETHING.

THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO US BY THE 27TH CUZ THAT'S THE DAY BEFORE THE DROP DEAD DATE OR THE 30TH.

IT'S THE FRIDAY BEFORE, SO I KNOW WE'LL GET SOMETHING THEN.

BUT, UH, I WAS HOPING TO HAVE SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT SOONER.

I'M STILL PREDICATING OUR REVENUES, UH, AND OUR TAX BASE AT 850 MILLION, WHICH IS KIND OF THE HAPPY MEDIUM BETWEEN WHERE WE WERE AND WHERE WE, WHERE THEY SAID THAT WE WERE.

SO, OKAY.

SO I MEAN, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT HERE IS, IS PAPER UNTIL WE GET THAT NUMBER CORRECT.

EVERYTHING IS, EVERYTHING IS HYPOTHETICAL UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT THE TAX RATE'S GONNA BE.

CAN YOU IMAGINE? OKAY.

SO I MEAN, I MEAN OVERALL, OVERALL WE'RE BASICALLY CUTTING OUR SPENDING A BIT.

WE, WE FOCUSED HEAVILY ON KNOWING THAT THAT NUMBER, THAT THE FIRST NUMBER WASN'T REAL.

UH, WE JUST BASICALLY SAID LET'S LOOK AT 3.5% ON TOP OF WHAT WE'VE GOT AT 850 MILLION AND THAT'S WHERE THIS NUMBER CAME FROM.

MAYBE WE GET SURPRISED AND WE'RE AT 900 OR MAYBE WE'RE SURPRISED AND WE'RE WELL ABOVE THAT.

THE REALITY IS THOUGH, THE REALITY IS YOU CAN, YOU'RE THREE AND HALF PERCENT YOUR THREE AND A HALF PERCENT PLUS NEW VALUE.

AND SO HOPEFULLY THE NEW VALUE WAS UNDER BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL NEW VALUE FIGURE WAS ONLY 25 MILLION, WHICH SHOCKED ME.

THAT, THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT THE WHOLE THING IS PREDICATED ON AND IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT, WE DON'T HAVE A REAL NUMBER.

IT'S NOT A REAL NUMBER UNTIL WE GET IT.

AND I THINK THE IRONY FOR ME IN THE, THE, UH, THE ENTIRE APPRAISAL DRAMA IS THEY'VE INFLATED THE APPRAISALS TO NO AVAIL FOR ANYBODY OTHER THAN, I GUESS I DON'T KNOW WHO I, I'M STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO, WHO BENEFITS FROM THE APPRAISAL COMING UP.

CUZ IT WON'T BE US AND IT WON'T BE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND IT'S REALLY NOT THE STATE, IT'S NOT THE HOMEOWNER PER SE, UNLESS THEY REALLY CAN SELL IT THE NUMBER THEY GET.

SO I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT BENEFIT COMES.

UH, THE ONLY, THE ONLY PERSON THAT WILL EVER COME OUT ON ANY OF THAT IS IF IT, IF YOU COULD SELL IT FOR WHAT THEY APPRAISE IT.

THAT EXACTLY.

OF ANNOUNCEMENTS AND UPCOMING EVENTS.

I MEAN, I'VE BEEN DOWN SOME DARK CONSPIRACY STUFF ON REDDIT ABOUT WHY IT'S HAPPENING, BUT WE DON'T WANNA PUT THAT OUT IN THE LIGHT OF DAY, SO, OH LORD.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M GOOD.

NEXT ITEM IS NOTICE

[III. NOTICE/ANNOUNCEMENT OFUPCOMINGEVENTSANDMEETINGS]

UH, I PRESUME WE WON'T HAVE A SECOND ONE UNLESS WE HAVE SOME KIND OF DRASTIC, UH, UH, I CAN TELL YOU THAT STAFF WOULD APPRECIATE NOT HAVING A SECOND ONE OR IF WE NEED MAYBE ON A WEEKNIGHT INSTEAD OF A FULL HALF DAY.

YEAH, WELL, LIKE I SAID, WE WON'T HAVE A, WE WON'T HAVE A SECOND ONE UNLESS SOMETHING DRASTIC HAPPENS WITH THE, WITH THE APPRAISAL OR WHATEVER.

HOW'S THAT? HOW'S THAT SOUND? YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA LEAVE IT HERE.

IT SAYS IF NEEDED, SO WE'RE GONNA LEAVE IT HERE AS IT IS IF NEEDED.

WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER ONE ON SATURDAY, JULY THE 22ND.

WELL, WE COULD, I THINK, CJ, DIDN'T YOU SAY THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER ON A WEEKDAY? I MEAN, WE COULD HANDLE IT ON A WEEKDAY, BUT IF YOU GUYS WANNA KEEP IT ON A SATURDAY SEPARATE, WE CAN DO THAT TOO.