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[I. COMMENCEMENT ]
NOTICES HEREBY GIVEN TO THE, GIVEN THAT THE TRAFFIC COMMISSION OF CITY OF CLUTE, TEXAS WILL BE ON TUESDAY, OCTOBER 8TH, 2024 AT 6:00 PM IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS OF KLU CITY HALL, LOCATED AT 1 0 8 MAIN STREET, QUOTE, TEXAS 7 7 5 3 1.FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF THE BELOW LISTED ITEMS, THE TRAFFIC COMMISSION RESERVES A RIGHT TO TURN INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT ANY TIME DURING THE COURSE OF THIS MEETING TO DISCUSS ANY MATTERS LISTED ON THE AGENDA IS AUTHORIZED BY THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO SECTIONS 5 5 1 0.071, CONSULTATION WITH AN ATTORNEY, 5 5 1 0.072 DELIBERATION ABOUT RURAL PROPERTY 5 5 1 0.073 DELIBERATION ABOUT GIFTS AND DONATIONS, 5 5 1 0.087 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND IS AUTHORIZED BY THE TEXAS TAX CODE, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, SECTION 3 2 1 3 0 2 2 SALES TAX INFORMATION.
THIS MEETING'S NOW CALLED ORDER IF Y'ALL WOULD JOIN US IN THE NOTIFICATION DEARLY.
FATHER, WE JUST ASK THAT YOU GOT US TONIGHT DURING THIS DISCUSSION TIME, LORD, AND LET US COME UP WITH THE BEST SOLUTIONS FOR OUR COMMUNITY, LORD.
AND YOU KNOW, WHAT'S SAFE FOR EVERYBODY? AND JUST, JUST CONTINUE TO, TO, TO BLESS OUR CITY, LORD.
AND WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING TO GROW, AND WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DO IT IN A, IN A MANNER THAT'S, YOU KNOW, LOOKS GOOD IN YOUR EYES AND WOULD BE FOLLOWING YOUR WAY.
SO, LORD, WE JUST ASK ALL THIS IN YOUR HOLY NAME.
Y'ALL WOULD JOIN US FOR THE PLEDGE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLICAN FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, LIBERTY, AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
I HAVE A ROLL CALL OF MEMBERS, ARNOLD VINE, PRESIDENT JAMES FITCH, PRESENT RONNIE TWADDLE PRESENT.
[II. NEW AND OLD BUSINESS ITEMS ]
IS NEW AND OLD BUSINESS ITEMS. IT'S ITEM A IS OPEN DISCUSSION FOR CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE DRAFTING OF A ORDINANCE ALIGNED THE USE OF NEIGHBORHOOD ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND OR LOW SPEED VEHICLES WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF CLUE.SO YOU GOING, WHO'S GOING? SOMEBODY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UH, THIS MEETING WAS CALLED, UH, AT THE BEHEST OF, UH, SEVERAL RESIDENTS WHO HAD BROUGHT THIS ISSUE TO COUNCIL.
A COUPLE WEEKS BACK, UH, CHIEF FITCH, UH, WAS ABLE TO PAIR DOWN A 98 SLIDE, UH, TRAINING, UH, MODULE.
UH, THANKFULLY HE WAS ABLE TO CONVINCE THAT, UH, FOR EVERYBODY'S SANITY.
UH, AND SO HE'S GONNA MAKE A PRESENTATION NOW ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FROM A REGULATORY STANDPOINT, AND THEN, UH, WE'LL OPEN THE, WHERE Y'ALL CAN DISCUSS IT AMONGST YOURSELVES.
WE'LL OPEN IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AS WELL.
UM, SO AS I STARTED DOING SOME RESEARCH OF DIFFERENT ORDINANCES, I REACHED OUT TO ALL THE CITIES IN BRAZORIA COUNTY, THE POLICE CHIEFS, TO KIND OF SEE WHO ELSE, UM, HAS THESE KIND OF ORDINANCES, WHO'S DEALING WITH THESE THINGS.
AND IN THAT, I WAS ACTUALLY SENT, UH, LIKE CJ SAID, A 98 SLIDE POWERPOINT, UH, THAT DPS UH, PUT TOGETHER.
AND I'VE PEERED THAT DOWN JUST TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, WE WOULD BE DEALING WITH ON THE LAW ENFORCEMENT SIDE.
ROSIE, DO I SCROLL IT OR JUST CLICK IT? SO, SO THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS KIND OF WHAT THE STATE LAW KIND OF COMES DOWN TO IS GOLF CARTS SPECIFICALLY ARE ALLOWED THREE PLACES UNLESS THE CITY ADOPTS AN ORDINANCE.
THOSE THREE PLACES ARE ON GOLF COURSES.
UM, IF YOU LIVE WITHIN TWO MILES OF A GOLF COURSE, YOU CAN DRIVE IT BACK AND FORTH TO THE GOLF COURSE ON PUBLIC BEACHES.
AND IN PLANNED, UH, COMMUNITIES, WHICH THE ONLY PLANNED COMMUNITY, IT'S GOTTA HAVE AN HOA.
SO THE ONLY PLACE THAT THAT WOULD, UH, APPLY HERE WOULD BE WOOD SHORE.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE STATE LAW SAYS.
NOW WE CAN ADOPT AN ORDINANCE OR NOT.
WE CAN, CITY COUNCIL CAN ADOPT AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO REGULATE AND ALLOW THESE, SO JUST THIS, THIS
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IS, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A GOLF CART AND A NEIGHBORHOOD ELECTRIC VEHICLE.A NEIGHBORHOOD ELECTED VEHICLE IS AT A VEHICLE THAT ATTAIN A MAXIMUM SPEED OF 30, UH, FIVE MILES AN HOUR.
IT'S OPERATED AT THE SPEED OF NOT MORE THAN 25, IS REQUIRED TO DISPLAY A SLOW MOVING VEHICLE EMBLEM.
IT'S OPERATED ON A STREET OR HIGHWAY, WHICH THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT IS 45 OR LESS.
IT MAY CROSS A ROAD OR STREET THAT IS NO MORE THAN 45, AND IT MAY NOT BE OPERATED ON THE STREET AS A SPEED THAT EXCEEDS THE LESSER OF THE SPEED LIMITS OF 35.
NOW, AGAIN, THIS IS THE STATE LAW WHEN IT COMES TO THIS, NOT THE CITY ORDINANCE.
AGAIN, I KINDA RAN THROUGH THOSE ALREADY.
MASTER PLAN, COMMUNITY
OUR, UH, HIGHWAY WITH SPEED LIMIT OF NOT MORE THAN 35 DURING THE DAYTIME, NOT MORE THAN TWO MILES FROM WHERE IT'S PARKED AND FOR TRANSPORTATION TO AND FROM THE GOLF COURSE.
BUT IT SAYS THAT A CITY CAN, CAN ALLOW, UH, THE OPERATION OF GOLF CARTS ON IT, UH, ON OR ABOUT IT, THE HIGHWAY AND THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CITY, AND HAS POSTED LIMITS OF NOT MORE THAN 35.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE REGULATED, IS THAT IT CAN'T BE ANYTHING MORE THAN STREETS OF 35 MILES AN HOUR IN THE CITY.
NOW, I ADDED THESE BECAUSE THIS IS, AS, AS YOU KNOW, THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SEE GOLF CART AND GO, THAT'S FINE.
WHAT ABOUT AN A TV? AND SO AGAIN, AND YOU SEE THE SIDE BY SIDES, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
AND, AND SO THAT KIND OF OPENS UP THAT DOOR.
UH, WHAT IS AN A TV? IT'S A MOTOR VEHICLE.
IT'S EQUIPPED WITH A CEDAR SEATS FOR THE USE OF THE RIDER OR PASSENGER.
IF THE MOTOR VEHICLE IS DESIGNED FOR A PASSENGER DESIGNED TO PREPARE, IT PROPEL ITSELF WITH THREE OR MORE TIRES DESIGNED FOR ALL HIGHWAY USE, NOT DESIGNED FOR FARMING, AND NOT MORE THAN 50 INCHES WIDE.
THEN WE GET INTO RECREATIONAL OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE.
AGAIN, IT'S JUST KIND OF, IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME THING, BUT THAT'S MORE YOUR SIDE BY SIDE.
AND THIS JUST REALLY LAYS OUT ALL THE TRAFFIC CODE AS IT GOES TO ALL OF THESE TYPE OF VEHICLES.
NOW AGAIN, THERE'S ABOUT FIVE OTHER TYPE OF VEHICLES OUT THERE THAT I DID NOT INCLUDE THESE JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T SEE THEM THAT OFTEN, BUT THOSE ARE THE MOST COMMON.
UM, AGAIN, JUST THIS KIND OF RUNS THROUGH THE OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE THAT YOU CAN ALLOW THESE IN THE CITY AS WELL.
BASICALLY GOING THROUGH A LOT OF THE SAME THINGS AS A GOLF CART.
SO, AGAIN, I JUST KIND OF PARED THIS DOWN VERY QUICKLY TO KIND OF GIVE EVERYBODY AN IDEA AND JUST TO SHOW, I DON'T KNOW, UM, WE'VE NEVER REALLY HAD THIS ORDINANCE.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL OPEN UP A PANDORA'S BOX OR NOT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, BUT MY SUGGESTION FOR THE COMMISSION IS TO BASICALLY OPEN THIS UP FOR DISCUSSION SO THAT WE CAN HEAR FROM Y'ALL ON Y'ALL'S FEELINGS OF THIS.
AND SPECIFICALLY FOR ME IS THE QUESTION OF WHY AND HOW DOES IT BENEFIT THE CITIZENS OF KLUT.
SO ARE Y'ALL GOOD WITH US OPENING UP FOR DISCUSSION? ABSOLUTELY.
SO IF Y'ALL WOULD ANYBODY'D LIKE TO SPEAK, UH, PLEASE STEP UP TO THE PODIUM, SAY YOUR NAME AND THAT WAY ROSIE'S GOT IT FOR THE MINUTES.
UH, WE CURRENTLY OWN A GOLF CART THAT WE DRIVE AROUND COLLEGE PARK.
EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE WE CROSS, UH, COLLEGE BOULEVARD TO GO INTO THE COLLEGE AREA AND DRIVE AROUND THE BACK OF THE COLLEGE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
UH, I DON'T REALLY THINK THERE'S ANY REASON TO REINVENT THE WHEEL ON ANY OF THIS.
THERE'S SEVERAL CITIES OUT THERE THAT ALREADY HAVE ORDINANCES.
ONE THAT WAS MENTIONED AT OUR LAST MEETING WAS SMITHVILLE, UH, AND I PULLED THEIR, THEIR ORDINANCE ON IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, I DON'T THINK WE REALLY NEED TO GET REALLY DEEP INTO IT AND EVERYTHING, BUT LIKE ON, UH, GOLF CARTS AND STUFF, I, I DON'T WANNA SEE US GET TO A POINT WHERE WE HAVE TO HAVE SEAT BELTS ON 'EM AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
YOU KNOW? UM, IT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE SPEED LIMIT BE 35 THOUGH, BECAUSE THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO GO FROM COLLEGE PARK OVER TO BUCKY'S, YOU KNOW, AND BACK RIGHT THERE.
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PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA, UH, FROM WHERE IT'S PARKED AT AT YOUR HOUSE.I'LL LEAVE THESE WITH YOU IF YOU'D LIKE TO.
WE GOT THE, WE'VE GOT THE ONE.
HI, MY NAME IS PEGGY GARTMAN AND I ALSO OWN A GOLF CART.
IT HAS HEADLIGHTS, TURN SIGNALS, BRAKE
IT DOESN'T, UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T BARREL DOWN THE STREET.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US MAKE SURE THAT IT IS A LICENSED DRIVER.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GONNA REQUIRE THAT.
I HAVE THE SAFETY SYMBOL ON THE BACK, SO I HAVE EVERYTHING.
SO BEING ABLE TO USE IT GIVES ME A LITTLE BIT OF SOMETHING TO DO BESIDES SETTING QUILT ALL DAY.
AND I HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF GOING DOWN 2 88 B OR ANYWHERE ELSE, BUT I ENJOY IT.
IT'S SIMPLE, YOU KNOW? YES, PEOPLE DO SPEED IN THEIR CARS,
AND UH, WE HAVE HAD SOME INCIDENTS WHERE PEOPLE ARE ALLOWING CHILDREN TO DRIVE 'EM, WHICH I THINK DOES NEED TO BE HANDLED.
AND, UH, ONE WAS PRETTY CLOSE TO GETTING HURT THE OTHER DAY, SO, BUT THAT'S WHY I HAVE ONE.
I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, ADOPT WHAT THE COUNTY HAS IN PLACE, THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS, SAFETY WISE, THE LICENSE PLATES, INSURANCE, UH, OPEN CONTAINERS.
AND, UH, I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR THEIR TIME TO LOOK AT THIS MATTER.
I LIVE IN COLLEGE PARK AS WELL.
I RARELY GET IT OUT 'CAUSE I'M BUSY WORKING ALL THE TIME OR WORKING ON MY CAR, BUT I RARELY GET IT OUT.
MY GRANDKIDS WILL DRIVE IT, BUT THE ONLY THE ONES THAT ARE LICENSED, UM, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE, ALL THE, UH, AROUND THE WHOLE CITY THAT'S, I PROBABLY NEVER LEAVE COLLEGE PARK WITH MINE, BUT I, I AGREE WITH THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND GOLF CARTS.
I INCLUDE THE GOLF CARTS SEPARATELY BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S GAS AND ELECTRIC, THEN THE, THEN YOU HAVE THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES THAT, BUT THAT'S, THANK YOU.
UM, SO I RECENTLY PURCHASED MY GOLF CART THINKING THAT IT WAS ALLOWED TO BE DRIVEN IN COLLEGE PARK.
AND SO I TAKE MY GRAND BABIES, MY NIECES AND NEPHEWS.
I EVEN USED IT LAST YEAR FOR THE CITY OF CLUTE FOR THE MOSQUITO FESTIVAL WITH ANOTHER OFFICER.
WE USED IT FOR PATROL, UM, FOR HALLOWEEN.
UM, SO I JUST PURCHASED IT LIKE A WEEK, I THINK A WEEK BEFORE HALLOWEEN FOR THAT PURPOSE, SO I COULD USE IT THAT HALLOWEEN.
AND THEN FROM THERE WE DON'T GET IT OUT THAT MUCH, BUT WE GET GREAT PLEASURE OF DRIVING AROUND COLLEGE PARK.
I DON'T REALLY GO ANYWHERE ELSE ON IT, BUT COLLEGE PARK.
BUT, UH, I KNOW WHEN THE KIDS COME OVER, IT'S LIKE A FAVORITE THING TO DO IS TO GO RIDE AROUND ON THE GOLF CART.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
UM, SO FOR, FOR ME, I, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE REALLY A, A PRO OR I MEAN A, A A FOR OR AGAINST.
THE PART THAT WORRIES ME FROM MY DEPARTMENT IS THE EXTRA THAT THE EXTRA ENFORCEMENT THAT ALLOWING IT POTENTIALLY IS GOING TO.
CAUSE I WILL TELL YOU, I'VE AGAIN, RESEARCHED NUMEROUS OF THE, UM, OTHER CITIES AND, AND MOST OF THE CITIES THAT ARE ALLOWING IT ARE SMALLER THAN CLU.
UM, SWEENEY ALLOWS IT, BRAZORIA ALLOWS IT, UH, RICHWOOD ALLOWS IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE NOT AS BUSY AS WE ARE, BUT EVERY ONE OF THOSE CITIES REQUIRES YOU TO BRING YOUR GOLF CART OR ELECTRIC VEHICLE TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR IT TO BE INSPECTED, FOR THERE TO BE A PERMIT TO IT, WHICH AGAIN, IS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S EXTRA WORK,
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UH, THAT'S GOING TO BE ADDED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.UM, I WILL TELL YOU, AND AND MY, MY FEELING ON THESE, AND IT, IT MAY NOT BE THE MOST POPULAR FEELING, A LOT OF THE ORDINANCE THAT I'VE SEEN, INSTEAD OF SAYING LICENSED DRIVER, THEY REGULATE IT TO 18 AND UP.
UM, IT KIND OF CUTS SOME OF THE TEENAGE DOWN.
NOT TO SAY THERE'S NOT RESPONSIBLE TEENAGERS OUT THERE, BUT IT KIND OF TAKES SOME OF THOSE OUT.
THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION IF WE MOVE FORWARD, IS TO MAKE THAT 18 AND UP.
NOW, I WILL TELL YOU THE OTHER SIDE, AND I MAY MAKE SOMEBODY UPSET FOR KIND OF, WELL, I WON'T NAME NAMES.
THERE'S ANOTHER CITY, A MUCH LARGER CITY THAN US THAT PASSED AN ORDINANCE, UM, THAT ALLOWS THESE THINGS.
AND IN SPEAKING TO ONE OF THEIR ASSISTANT CHIEFS, IT'S JUST A FREE FOR ALL NOW, UM, THEY DON'T HAVE THE MANPOWER, THEY DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO ENFORCE EVERYTHING THAT COMES ALONG WITH IT.
AND SO BASICALLY PEOPLE DRIVE THESE VEHICLES ANYWHERE AND EVERYWHERE, WHICH I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO GET TO.
UM, BUT IT IS SOMETHING OF, FOR, YOU KNOW, THE OFFICERS ON THE STREET AND, YOU KNOW, I CAN HAVE ANYWHERE FROM THREE TO FIVE OFFICERS ON THE, ON THE FULL STAFF.
WE'VE GOT FIVE PEOPLE ON THE STREET FOR THE ENTIRE CITY.
AND THEN WE'VE GOTTA PRIORITIZE WHAT WE'RE ENFORCING, WHAT WE'RE DOING.
UM, WHEN Y'ALL TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO REGULATE IT TO THE SPEED BECAUSE YOU CAN'T JUST SAY THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU'VE GOTTA OPEN IT UP.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE MAY CONSIDER IS, I THINK MOST NEIGHBORHOODS ARE 25 NOW.
SO MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE CONSIDER IS LOOKING AT 25 MILES AN HOUR VERSUS 35.
I KNOW THAT CUTS OUT BUCKYS, BUT
SO I'VE PROBABLY SPOKE ENOUGH, I'LL LET SOMEBODY ELSE.
I JUST ONE POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT A GENTLEMAN SAID, UM, I FORGOT WHO IT WAS ABOUT.
UH, SOME OTHER CITY HAS A LIMITATION THAT YOU CAN'T DRIVE THEM MORE THAN TWO MILES FROM YOUR HOUSE.
UM, I THINK THAT'S NOT, WOULD NOT BE ENFORCEABLE BECAUSE TYPICALLY, UM, UH, A POLICE OFFICER'S NOT GONNA KNOW IF YOU'RE WITHIN TWO MILES OF YOUR HOUSE, RIGHT? AND A POLICE OFFICER CAN'T PULL YOU OVER UNLESS THERE'S SOME PROBABLE CAUSE YOU COMMITTED A CRIME.
SO HOW WOULD YOU EVER ENFORCE THE, YOU CAN'T DO IT WITHIN TWO MILES OF YOUR HOUSE BECAUSE THE OFFICER DOESN'T KNOW UNLESS HE PULLS YOU OVER FOR NO REASON AND SAYS, HOW FAR ARE YOU FROM YOUR HOUSE? RIGHT? SO I, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT PROVISION, WHILE IT MAY BE WELL INTENTIONED, I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, I'M ENVISION ENVISIONING PROSECUTING CASES IN MUNICIPAL COURT AND, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, LIKE I SAID, THE, THE POLICE OFFICER CAN'T JUST RANDOMLY PULL PEOPLE OVER JUST TO CHECK 'EM OUT.
THERE'S GOTTA BE, YOU KNOW, SOME PROBABLE CAUSE REASONABLE SUSPICION, RIGHT? THAT THERE'S A CRIME THAT WAS COMMITTED.
UM, AND, AND ANOTHER THING IS IT, I'VE DRIVEN GOLF CARTS AROUND, RIGHT? AND, UH, UH, I'VE HAD EXPERIENCES DRIVING, YOU KNOW, GOLF CARTS IN, IN NEIGHBORHOODS, AND A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE LIKE HAVE LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE PARTIES OR GET TOGETHERS AND THEY DRIVE THE GOLF CART DOWN TO THE OTHER HOUSE AND HAVE THE PARTY AND PEOPLE ARE DRINKING AND DDBI STILL APPLIES RIGHT? TO GOLF CARTS, RIGHT? SO, UH, THAT'S AN ENFORCEMENT THAT THE POLICE OFFICERS ARE STILL GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO ENFORCE, YOU KNOW, DWI TYPE OFFENSES, RIGHT? UH, AND PEOPLE THINK, WELL, I'M NOT REALLY DRIVING A CAR, I'M JUST, I'M JUST GOING DOWN THE STREET, RIGHT? AND THERE'S A, THERE'S PROPENSITY THAT PEOPLE WILL BE DRIVING AROUND NEIGHBORHOOD AFTER PARTY DRINKING, RIGHT? UM, AND, AND THEN WHICH KIND OF LEADS TO MY NEXT POINT IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE TRAFFIC COMMISSION AND, AND I DON'T KNOW, IT'S UP TO THE TRAFFIC COMMISSION TO DECIDE HOW TO DO THIS OR WHAT TO DISCUSS, BUT GENERALLY, UM, FROM THE LEGAL STANDPOINT, WHAT THE TRAFFIC COMMISSION IS SUPPOSED TO DO IS CONSIDER SAFETY AND TRAFFIC FLOW, RIGHT? UH, WHENEVER THEY MAKE A RULE FOR, AGAINST SOMETHING, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE BASED ON SOMETHING MORE THAN, UH, WELL, WE LIKE THOSE FOLKS, OR THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA, OR THAT SOUNDS LIKE A BAD IDEA.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE MORE FACT BASED.
LIKE, LIKE WHENEVER YOU PUT UP A, A, A A TRAFFIC SIGN, RIGHT? UH, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE BASED ON TRAFFIC STUDIES.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BASED, BASED ON ACTUAL CONDITIONS RELATED TO SAFETY OR TRAFFIC, RIGHT? AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW YOU CAN
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GO ABOUT BASING THIS DECISION ON, UH, TRAFFIC OR SAFETY, BUT I THINK THE IDEA OF, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, A GOLF CART WITHOUT SEAT BELTS AND, AND POSSIBLY KIDS IN IT, OKAY, I'M, I'M CONFESSING, I'M A LAWYER, RIGHT? AND WE ALWAYS LOOK AT THE WORST CASE SCENARIO AND LIABILITY.RIGHT NOW, THE CITY WOULD NOT BE LIABLE, OKAY? IF THE CITY PASSES A LAW AND ALLOWS GOT GOLF CARTS ON EVERY STREET AND, YOU KNOW, SIX KIDS JUMP ON A GOLF CART AND GO ON 3 32 AND GET PLOWED OVER BY A 18 WHEELER, THE CITY'S NOT RESPONSIBLE, RESPONSIBLE.
SO THERE'S NO LIABILITY TO THE CITY.
BUT JUST MY PRACTICE AS AN ATTORNEY IS, I ALWAYS CONSIDER ALL THE POSSIBLE THINGS THAT COULD GO WRONG WHENEVER YOU'RE LOOKING AT LIABILITY, RIGHT? AND SO THE FACT THAT, UM, GOLF CARTS DON'T HAVE SEAT BELTS AND THEY'LL PROBABLY HAVE, LIKE, PEOPLE SAY, WELL, MY KIDS LIKE TO RIDE AROUND IN THE, IN THE, IN THE, IN THE GOLF CART, UH, EVEN AS PASSENGERS, RIGHT? UH, YOU KNOW, UH, AN F TWO 50 MONSTER TRUCK VERSUS A GOLF CART'S NOT GONNA END WELL, RIGHT? AND SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S BALANCING THAT COMES INTO, INTO EFFECT ON THAT.
YOU KNOW, WHAT IS, WHAT IS REASONABLE RISK AND WHAT IS UNREASONABLE RISK? AND MAYBE THE, YOU KNOW, THE 30 MILE AN HOUR OR THE 25 MILE AN HOUR ZONE OR WHATEVER THAT RULE IS, OR YOU RESTRICT IT TO CERTAIN AREAS, UM, UH, DON'T ALLOW THEM TO CROSS BUSY STREETS OR WHATEVER.
UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE THINGS MAY BE REASONABLE LIMITATIONS, BUT THE, THE, UM, THE FUNDAMENTAL LEGALLY THE FUNDAMENTAL CONSIDERATION OF THE TRAFFIC COMMISSION SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON IS TRAFFIC AND SAFETY, RIGHT? AND LIKE I SAID, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT FIGURES INTO THE CALCULATION FOR THIS, BUT, UM, THAT'S ALL I HAD TO ADD FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD.
HONESTLY, WHEN I SEE THE TRAFFIC GO BY MY HOUSE, AND I'M HOME A LOT, IF THERE WAS AN ORDINANCE STATING THEY HAD TO BE LICENSED DRIVERS, NOT THESE 10 AND 11 YEAR OLDS, THAT THE SPEED LIMIT, I MEAN, I PROBABLY DO 13 OR 14, I'M OUT TO ENJOY RIDING.
I'M NOT, BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA TURN THAT THING OVER.
AND WE PUT A A, A SPEED LIMIT.
I MEAN, I PULL OVER FOR TRAFFIC.
I, YOU KNOW, I'M REAL CAREFUL, BUT I THINK ONCE PEOPLE KNOW THAT THESE CHILDREN CANNOT DRIVE THESE THINGS ANYMORE AND WE DON'T SEE 'EM GOING AROUND THE CORNERS ON TWO WHEELS, I THINK THE PARENTS ARE GONNA RESPECT THAT.
AND THE ONES THAT DON'T, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT'S DOING 50 AND 60 DOWN WILLIAMSBURG ANYWAY, RIGHT? WELL, AND, AND 1, 1, 1 BENEFIT I THINK OF RESPONSIBLE OPERATORS, RIGHT? RESPONSIBLE OPERATORS LIKE YOU IS, UM, Y'ALL PROBABLY REPORT THE OFFENDERS, RIGHT? IF Y'ALL, YOU MIGHT, YOU MIGHT REPORT SOMETHING IF PEOPLE ARE DOING THINGS YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.
BECAUSE IF, IF THE ORDINANCE PASSES AND YOU'RE ALLOWED TO, TO DRIVE THE, THE GOLF CARTS AND THEN A BUNCH OF BAD STUFF HAPPENS AND IT JUST GOES CRAZY HAYWIRE, RIGHT? YOU DON'T WANT TO LOSE THAT, RIGHT? YOU DON'T WANT THIS TO GO THE CITY COUNCIL, GO AND SAY, OH, THAT WAS A MISTAKE, WE'RE TAKING IT BACK, RIGHT? SO IT IT, YOU KNOW, IT WILL REQUIRE RESPONSIBLE COMMUNITY, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S UNREASONABLE FOR THE POLICE TO BE ABLE TO BE EVERYWHERE.
AND, AND, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I REALLY THINK THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA GO OUT AND BUY GOLF CARTS JUST TO RUN UP AND DOWN THE STREETS.
MAYBE I'M WRONG, BUT I DON'T THINK SO.
BUT I MEAN, I JUST THINK PUTTING IN, AND I DON'T WANNA SAY MINIMUM BECAUSE I THINK YOU DO NEED LICENSED DRIVERS.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, HEADLIGHTS AT NIGHT AND, YOU KNOW, I SEE 'EM GOING UP AND DOWN WITHOUT HEADLIGHTS AT NIGHTTIME.
AND YOUNG KIDS, WE HAD A MAN RUN IT UP IN THE YARD ACROSS THE STREET FROM US ALMOST HITTING THE HOUSE IN THE TREE.
AND I UNDERSTAND WITH NO RULES, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE DOES NEED TO BE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED IT SO TIGHT THAT WE WHO HAVE THEM CAN'T ENJOY 'EM.
SO, UM, SO IT IS KIND OF INTERESTING THAT NI ALL REALLY CAME ABOUT WHEN OFFICERS SAW PEOPLE DRIVING THEM AND ADDRESSED IT.
IT WASN'T THAT CITIZENS CALLED US COMPLAINING ABOUT IT.
WE, I'LL BE HONEST, I I, THE ONLY COMPLAINT WE'VE RECENTLY GOTTEN WAS BECAUSE IT WAS BETWEEN LAKE BEND AND WOOD, WOOD SHORE.
AND IT'S BECAUSE OF THEY'RE PLAYING LOUD MUSIC FROM IT.
SO WE, WE, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE COMPLAINTS FROM CITIZENS, IT'S JUST OFFICERS SEEING, UM, FOR ME, THE, IF WE'RE, IF COUNSEL DECIDES THAT WE WANT TO ALLOW IT, I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SOME THOSE RESTRICTIONS.
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AS YOU, YOU MENTIONED HEADLIGHTS, UM, ABOUT HALF AND HALF CITIES ALLOW THEM AFTER DARK.THEIR OTHER HALF DO NOT ALLOW THEM AFTER DARK.
AND SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE A DECISION COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD PROBABLY GIVE A, A RECOMMENDATION, BUT THAT WOULD BE COUNCIL'S DECISION.
SHOULD WE MOVE? I, AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT TODAY'S FOR, IS TO HEAR Y'ALL.
WE'VE GOT SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE AS WELL, AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF GIVE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
UM, THAT'S WHERE WE GET OFF LUCKY.
THEY GET TO MAKE THE HARD DECISIONS.
AND I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVEN'T CALLED BECAUSE THEY DO KNOW THERE IS ANY ORDINANCE.
SO WHY MAKE Y'ALL CHASE OVER THERE? 'CAUSE THEY'RE PROBABLY IN THEIR DRIVEWAY BY THE TIME Y'ALL WENT.
WELL, FOR ME, UH, FOR SURE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A LICENSED DRIVER.
I MEAN, ANY VEHICLE ON THE ROAD SHOULD BE A DRIVER.
WE ALREADY HAVE ISSUES WITH THESE, THESE SCOOTERS AND MOTORBIKES BECAUSE THEY'RE UNDER A CERTAIN CC.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE NO LICENSE.
THEY, THEY'RE NOT REALLY RESPONSIBLE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT CARRYING NO KIND OF INSURANCE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I THINK THAT THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME KIND OF LIABILITY INSURANCE BECAUSE YOU CAN JUST AS EASILY RUN ONE OF THESE GOLF CARTS INTO SOMEBODY'S 25, $30,000 VEHICLE AND TEAR UP THE SIDE OF IT.
SO, UH, FOR ME THERE'S, THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE SOME, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY SOME GUIDELINES ON THE, YOU KNOW, AND LIKE THE HEADLIGHTS WITH THE WAY THE, AND I, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS, IT WAS YOU WHO SAID YOU GO CHECK YOUR MAIL AND STUFF IN YOURS AT THE LAST MEETING.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE TIME CHANGES.
YOU'RE ALMOST GONNA HAVE TO HAVE, IF YOU WORK, YOU KNOW, YOU GET HOME, YOU'RE GONNA NEED SOME LIGHTS ON THAT THING BECAUSE IT GETS DARK REALLY EARLY.
AND, YOU KNOW, SUMMERTIME'S NOT THAT BIG A DEAL.
BUT FOR SURE, YOU KNOW, COMES, YOU KNOW, WINTERTIME, IT'S, UH, SO THERE ARE CERTAINLY SOME, SOME THINGS THAT I THINK WOULD HAVE TO BE IN THERE FOR THAT CONSIDERATION.
AND, UH, I KNOW THERE'S, YOU KNOW, I WAS READING DIFFERENT STUFF THE CHIEF SENT AND I'VE LOOKED UP SOME STUFF TOO SINCE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS.
AND EVERY CITY'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT ON WHAT THEY HAVE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY WORRIED ABOUT WHAT OTHER THE CITIES DO.
WE'RE CONCERNED WITH CLUE WHAT, WHAT'S GONNA KEEP EVERYBODY SAFE ON THE STREET.
UH, WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE MORE OF A, OF A HASSLE WITH THESE ORDINANCES FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE IT TO WHERE IT'S RESPONSIBLE.
UH, AGAIN, I I, FOR OR AGAINST IT, I'M, I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST KIND OF THERE IN THE MIDDLE.
YOU KNOW, SAFETY'S MY BIGGEST ISSUE.
UH, WE'VE HAD IT, WE LIVE ON THE STREET THAT RUNS PARALLEL SHANKS OVER HERE.
POLICE DON'T COME DOWN OUR STREET, REALLY.
THEY STAY ON SHANKS OR ONE OF THE MAIN, YOU KNOW, AND WE'VE HAD TO CALL THE POLICE 'CAUSE THEY'RE RACING THESE SIDE BYSIDE IN THESE DIFFERENT LITTLE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GASOLINE GOLF CARTS AND THEY'RE SOUPED UP.
I MEAN, THESE THINGS ARE GOING 45 MILES AN HOUR DOWN OUR ROAD AND WE'VE ALMOST BACKED OUT OF OUR DRIVEWAY HITTING THEM.
'CAUSE THEY'RE COMING AT YOU SO QUICK.
AND MOST OF THESE GOLF CARTS EITHER HAVE WAR OUTBREAKS OR STUFF, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT STOPPING IN A HURRY.
SO, UH, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I, WE, WE GO THE DEER LEASE, WE RIDE FOUR WHEELERS, WE DO ALL KINDS OF STUFF AND UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT OF FUN.
BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY GET RUN OVER AND HURT, YOU KNOW? 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT REALLY TRYING TO ENFORCE THE MOST SAFETY PART OF IT.
BECAUSE IF YOU GET RUN OVER THAT SEAT BELTS JUST GONNA KEEP YOU SMASHED IN THERE WITH THE GOLF CART.
IT'S NOT GONNA SAVE YOUR LIFE LIKE IN A CAR OR SOMETHING.
SO, BUT FOR SURE, FOR ME IT'S GOTTA BE A LICENSED DRIVER.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF LIABILITY INSURANCE AND, YOU KNOW, YOU DEFINITELY NEED LIGHTS ON IT.
WELL, AND I, AGAIN, JUST GOING THROUGH SO MANY ORDINANCES AND TALKING ABOUT SEAT BELTS AND SOMETHING AND, AND I THINK I, I WANT TO THROW ALL THESE THINGS OUT 'CAUSE THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE'VE GOTTA CONSIDER, UM, ONE CITY, AND, AND THIS WOULD PROBABLY UPSET SOME FOLKS, DOESN'T ALLOW ANYBODY ON A GOLF CART UNDER THE AGE OF EIGHT.
ANOTHER CITY SAYS YOU CAN BE UNDER EIGHT, BUT IF YOU'RE UNDER FIVE, YOU MUST BE IN A CHILD SAFETY SEAT.
UH, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THERE'S THOSE TYPE OF RESTRICTIONS AND, AND ANYBODY THAT HAS EVEN ON A GOLF CART, BEEN IN A GOLF CART, YOU KNOW, IF YOU TURN IT QUICK ENOUGH, YOU CAN COME OUT OF IT PRETTY QUICK.
AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT KIDS.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE RESTRICTIONS THAT WE WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT IS UNDER A CERTAIN AGE, WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A SEATBELT ON JUST BECAUSE OF HOW EASILY YOU CAN BE SLUNG OUT OF ONE I, YOU KNOW, KNOW IT IS WHAT IT IS.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO APOLOGIZE FOR COMING IN LATE.
I'M PART OF, I'M ON THIS COMMITTEE.
I, UH, LIKE ARNOLD, I, I'M, I'M MAINLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY PART OF IT.
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IF THIS THING PASSES, UH, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF, SOME KIND OF SAFETY ISH BUILT INTO OUR ORDINANCE.ANOTHER THING IS, UH, WE ALL, RIGHT NOW I LIVE, I LIVE IN FRONT OF A PARK.
UH, AND WE, EVERYBODY AS, UH, THESE PARKS BELONG TO Y'ALL, THEY BELONG TO US.
UH, BUT IF PEOPLE GET OUT THERE AND ABUSE 'EM, WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE, UH, MOTOR VEHICLES IN THE PARK TO START WITH.
BUT, UM, WHEN IT GETS WET AND MUDDY OUT THERE WHERE I'M AT, THERE'S A CERTAIN PEOPLE THAT WOULD GET OUT THERE ON FOUR WHEELERS RIGHT NOW AND RUN THROUGH THAT MUD AND, AND MAKE RUTS AND JUST TEAR THE PLACE UP STUMP SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE DESIGNED OVER THE YEARS TO BE SOMETHING FOR YOU TO USE.
AND, UH, TIME THE POLICE ARE CALLED AND THEY COME OUT THERE.
WELL, IT JUST, ALL IT'S LEFT OUT THERE IS RUTS 'CAUSE THEY CAN'T FIND WHO DID IT.
YOU KNOW? BUT, UH, I WOULD JUST SAY, UH, I DON'T, THE REASON I THINK IT OUGHT TO BE A LICENSED DRIVER, I DON'T THINK A 18 YEAR OLD'S GONNA GET OUT IN THE PARK AND RUN IT THROUGH SOME MUD HOLES NOW.
AND, UH, SO, UH, UM, WE GOT SOME PRETTY ANOTHER THING IN INCLUDE.
WE GOT SOME PRETTY STEEP DITCHES AND, UH, IN SOME AREAS, AND IF WE RUN ONE OF ONE OF THESE OFF IN ONE OF THEM DITCHES, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET IT OUT EASILY.
IT COULD HURT SOMEBODY PRETTY GOOD.
ANOTHER THING I WAS THINKING IS, UM, LET, LET'S SAY YOU GO FROM COLLEGE PARK, YOU WANNA RUN DOWN TO KROGER'S, GET YOUR, UH, GROCERIES WITH IT.
IS THAT, IS THAT ALLOWABLE? OH, BECAUSE YOU, YOU'RE GOING TO LAKE JACKSON, HUH? BECAUSE YOU'RE ON THE LAKE JACKSON STREET GOING TO LAKE JACKSON.
BUT I WAS THINKING, DO YOU, DO YOU GET ON THE SIDE OF THE, THE ROAD AND GET ON THE E THE UH, OR YOU GET RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE AND MAKE EVERYBODY MAD? 'CAUSE YOU'RE A SLOW VEHICLE? YOU KNOW, I, UM, I THINK THAT PEOPLE OUGHT TO GO, GO OUT THERE WITH AN OPEN MIND.
YOU KNOW, LET'S, I, I DON'T MIND, I DON'T MIND HAVING THEM.
I DON'T HAVE A GOLF CART, BUT I'LL, I'LL, I LOVE RUNNING AROUND ON THEM.
SO, YOU KNOW, 30 MILE AN HOUR SOUNDS PRETTY GOOD.
AND IN YOUR CASE, I CAN SEE Y'ALL'S NEIGHBORHOOD, MY NEIGHBORHOOD 30 MILES AN HOUR ON WILSON ROAD.
I'VE, I'VE SEEN LIKE A FAMILY HAD A DOUBLE ONE AND THEY HAD PROBABLY SIX OR EIGHT PEOPLE.
AND IT WAS ON THE SUMMER SUNDAY, WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE COME DOWN THAT ROAD FROM THE BEACH.
IT'S JUST A, I MEAN, SOMEBODY GONNA GET KILLED AND IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME.
AND EVEN IN OUR LITTLE SUBDIVISION, WE'VE GOT SOME PEOPLE THAT JUST CAN'T DRIVE A YOUNG FAST AND LOUD
AND I MEAN, YOU DRIVE AROUND CLO THESE, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BE DRIVING MUCH LESS A GOLF CART.
THERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION THOUGH.
I HAD, EVEN IF THIS, IF, IF, IF WE PASS THIS, NOW YOU GET THE FOUR, FOUR WHEELER, THE ELECTRIC FOUR WHEELER, NOT FOUR WHEELER GOLF CART.
NOW I'VE BEEN HUNTING ON BIG, BIG LEASES.
WELL, WE HAD A GOLF CART, BUT IT HAD THE ALL TERRAIN WHEELS AND ALL THAT.
SO WHAT DO WE PUT THAT UNDER? IT'S, IT'S, IT'S STILL A GOLF CART.
IT'S A, IT'S A GOLF CART NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S STILL TITLED AS A GOLF CART STILL TITLED YEP.
WELL, MINE DOES 24 MILES AN HOUR.
I HAVE THE ABILITY TO JACK IT UP TO 35, BUT I'M NOT GONNA DO THAT
BUT IT, YOU KNOW, IT HAS THE BIG ALL-TERRAIN VEHICLES OR TIRES ON IT AND EVERYTHING.
BUT IT'S STILL TITLED AS A GOLF CART.
OUR SON BUILT ONE, PUT A 600 CC MOTORCYCLE ENGINE IN IT.
SO THEY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE CONCERNED WITH WITHOUT NO SEAT BELTS, NO ELECTRIC DRIVERS AND THINGS.
I MEAN, THIS THING WAS, AND ELECTRIC MOTORS ARE A LOT, LOT FASTER THAN GAS MOTORS ARE.
ANYWAYS, GETTING UP FROM ZERO TO 25.
UH, BUT ONE OF, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I WANTED TO ASK AGAIN, I'M BRUCE SMITH.
UM, WHAT ARE THE MAJORITY OF THE STREET SPEED LIMIT IN THE
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CITY OF CLUE 30? SO YOU TYPICALLY SPEAKING THE NEIGHBORHOOD SPEED LIMITS ARE 25, THE ARTERIALS ARE 30 TO 35.UH, IT JUST, AND I, I WISH I COULD GIVE YOU, WE HAVE A STANDARD, BUT WE HAVE VARIATED ON OUR STANDARD OVER TIME.
AND SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT WHERE Y'ALL ARE AT IS 25, RIGHT? WOOD SHORE IS 25.
MOST OF THIS PART OF TOWN IS 25 EXCEPT FOR MAIN PLANTATION HARGET, LAZY IN SHANKS IS 30 SHANK EXCEPT FOR DURING SCHOOL ZONE, EXCEPT THE NORTH SIDE.
THE SOUTH SIDE SHOULD BE 30, EXCEPT FOR THE SCHOOLS PLANTATION IS 30.
THAT'S, BUT THAT'S PART OF THE MISHMASH THAT WE HAVE.
YOU'VE GOT VARYING SPEEDS IN, IN, IN, IN, IN A, NOT NOT NECESSARILY FOLLOWING ANY STANDARD.
WE'VE GOT TRAFFIC ENGINEERS THAT HAVE COME IN AND HELPED US WITH OUR SIGNALS, BUT WE HAVEN'T REALLY DONE A, A FULL ON SPEED STUDY TO, TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT THIS, THIS ROAD WOULDN'T NET OR THIS IS WHAT THIS ROAD SHOULD BE AT.
SO I THINK IT'S BEEN TO THIS COMMISSION'S BY DECISION MAKING ON WHAT THOSE SPEEDS WERE GONNA BE ON A PARTICULAR ROADWAY AT A PARTICULAR TIME.
IT THE THIS TO TO FURTHER KINDA JUST TALK ABOUT THE SPEED, THE CITY OF CLU WHEN IT COMES TO SPEEDS.
AND QUITE HONESTLY, QUITE ODD.
UH, WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE, MANY OF OUR STREETS WERE 20, WHICH ACTUALLY WASN'T LEGAL.
AND WE, THAT'S WHY WE HAD TO CHANGE THEM FOR 25 BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SO I LIKED IT BETTER WHEN IT WAS 20.
NOW THE STATE MADE IT STATE SAYS IT CAN'T BE, IT'S 25.
GET SOME STATE BOYS SIT ON MY CORNER AND WATCH A COUPLE OF CARS THERE.
SO, SO, BUT IT, IT IS, IT'S JUST KIND OF RANDOM IN A, A MIS MESS.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO REGULATE THAT SPEED.
AND THEN MOST OF THESE ORDINANCES REGULATE THE STREETS THAT YOU CAN CROSS OVER.
TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A MA, IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A BIGGER HIGHWAY, YOU'VE GOT TO CROSS AT THE INTERSECTION.
I, I WILL GIVE CREDIT TO A LOT OF THESE ORDINANCES.
BUT YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DRIVE THEM ON SIDEWALKS.
UM, THEY ARE PART OF TRAFFIC JUST LIKE A REGULAR VEHICLE IS.
AND, YOU KNOW, AT, THEY CAN'T PASS ANYBODY.
UH, I MEAN THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, AND, AND I I THINK THAT IF THIS IS THE DIRECTION THAT, THAT WE WANT TO GO, UM, I'M NOT ONE FOR A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS, BUT I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE SOME.
AND I AGREE, BUT I, I REALLY WISH WE WOULD CONSIDER THE 30 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT.
I DON'T REALLY NEED TO BE GOING TO BUCKY'S.
IF I DID, I'D JUST GET ON THE GRASS AND GO THAT WAY AND WALK OVER THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
UH, ANOTHER THING TOO, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SAFETY, YOU KNOW, A BICYCLE IS ALLOWED TO RIDE UP AND DOWN THE STREET AND IT HAS TO GO WITH TRAFFIC, WITH THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC.
AND I'VE NEVER SEEN A BICYCLE THAT'LL DO OVER 25 MILES AN HOUR.
YOU'D BE, YOU'D BE WORKING YOUR BUTT OFF TO GET TO 25 MILES AN HOUR.
AN ELECTRIC ONES FLY THROUGH HERE.
AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE REGULATED AT 28 MILES AN HOUR.
'CAUSE I HAVE ONE OF THOSE TOO.
BUT, SO I MEAN, IF WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO RIDE A BICYCLE DOWN THE 30 MILE AN HOUR ROAD, 35 MILE AN HOUR ROAD, AND YOU HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY TOO.
AND WHEN YOU'RE ON YOUR BICYCLE.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD SAY IF WE PASS SOMETHING AND WE PUT THE, UH, RESTRICTIONS IN THERE THAT WE WANT, YOU KNOW, I CAN SEE A YEAR FROM NOW LETTING IT RUN THAT WAY AND THEN SAY, OKAY, LET'S GO BACK AND REVISIT THIS.
WE NEED TO PUT THIS IN, TAKE THIS OUTTA WHATEVER.
TWEAK IT IN ABOUT A YEAR AND SEE HOW IT GOES.
AND, UH, WHAT, WHAT HAS, WHAT HAVE THEY ENCOUNTERED IN THAT YEAR THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE DIFFERENT? SO, UH, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PUT EVERYTHING IN THAT MAKES EVERYBODY HAPPY, BUT WE COULD PUT SOMETHING IN THERE TO GET IT GOING AND THEN SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
WELL, ON THIS ONE FROM SMITHVILLE, IT HAS ABOUT GOLF CART RESTORATION, PERMITS AND DECALS AND STUFF.
WHAT, WHAT ARE Y'ALL'S THOUGHTS ON THAT? DO Y'ALL THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA? OR, OR NOT? OR YOU CAN ANSWER IT.
DO YOU SEE PEOPLE RUN AROUND
SO WE, WE NEED TO THINK OF THE KIDS THAT ARE RIDING WITH ONE ADULT DRIVING 18 YEARS OR OLDER.
UH, JUST ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO, A YOUNG MOTHER HAD ABOUT A ONE, MAYBE A 1-YEAR-OLD,
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ONE AND A HALF YEAR OLD BABY STILL IN DIAPERS AND SITTING BESIDE HER.AND AS SHE MADE THE TURN IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, THAT BABY WAS HEADED OVER THE, THE RAIL.
NOW, FORTUNATELY, HE HAD A DIAPER ON 'CAUSE SHE WAS ABLE TO GRAB HIM REAL WELL.
AND THEN OF COURSE WHEN SHE LEANED THE, THE CART MADE A HARD LEFT TURN.
WHERE I'M FOLLOWING UP IS SAFETY SEAT BELTS.
YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL.
YOU CAN BUY SEAT BELTS AND ALL.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE KIDS AT 18 YEARS OLD ARE GONNA BE DOING, DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD IF THEY DO SOMETHING SILLY.
HOPEFULLY THEY HAVE, THE OTHER ONES HAVE SEAT BELTS ON THE DRIVER'S GOT THAT STEERING WHEEL TO HOLD ONTO.
BUT THE OTHER ONES, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING NOW ALONG WITH, UH, IT'S GONNA GET DARK EARLIER.
YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH WE, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU CAN'T BE ANYWHERE, EVERYWHERE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE TIME.
SO IF WE HAVE AT LEAST HEADLIGHTS ON THERE AND BRAKE LIGHTS, THAT KIND OF HELPS ELIMINATE, UH, SOMEBODY RUNNING OVER EACH OTHER GOING EITHER DIRECTION, BUT JUST KIND OF ANALYZE THE SAME THING WE HAVE FOR OUR REGULAR CARS AND STUFF.
YOU CAN GO OVERBOARD, YOU KNOW, ON SOME OF THE STUFF, BUT THE BASICS, WE NEED TO HAVE IT, THE FLUORESCENT TRIANGULAR SIGNS OR YOU CAN BUY THESE STRIPS, THAT TRACTOR SUPPLY THAT THEY PUT ON THERE, THE RED AND THE SILVER ONES, REFLECTIVE TAPE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE REQUIRE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, TO HELP OUT.
UH, I HAVE IT ON MY TRAILERS AND EVERYTHING, AND IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE WHEN YOUR BRAKE LIGHTS DON'T WORK ON YOUR BOAT.
UH, BUT ALSO, UH, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE TO GIVE OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT THE TOOLS TO BE ABLE TO, UH, ENFORCE THE LAWS THAT COME UP AND ALL, AND GIVE THEM SOMETHING TO WORK WITH AND, AND, UH, HELP 'EM OUT ON THAT.
MAKE BE EXPLICIT IN DETAIL WHEN WE, WHEN WE GO TO DOING ALL THIS STUFF.
NOW YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT FOUR WHEELER.
UH, I HAVE A, UH, PRO KAWAS, UH, KAWASAKI PRO, UH, SIX SEATER.
YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S GOT LIKE A 960 CC ON THERE.
UH, NOWHERE DOES THAT FIT IN THE CONCEPT OF A GOLF CART AND ALL.
BUT WE ENJOY RIDING AROUND ALSO AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND WELL, AND, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHY I KIND OF BROUGHT THESE OTHER THINGS UP IS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA GET THAT, WELL, IF YOU CAN DRIVE A GOLF CART, WHY CAN'T I DRIVE MY MY UTV? YEAH.
AND THE CITY OF RICHWOOD DOES ALLOW BOTH.
BUT AGAIN, THERE'S THOSE RESTRICTIONS ON THOSE AS WELL, THAT THEY'VE GOTTA HAVE ALL THOSE SAME THINGS.
BUT, SO, AND, AND, AND I, I GUESS I, I WOULD LIKE, YOU KNOW, CURIOUS AS TO HOW Y'ALL FEEL ABOUT A, YOU KNOW, A PERMITTING AND, AND OF COURSE IF YOU'RE PERMITTING, THERE'S A FEE TO GO WITH THAT.
UM,
SO, WELL, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE ONE.
'CAUSE HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE, THAT THE BRAKES WORK AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF AND ALL THAT, THE CITY OUGHT TO INSPECT IT, PUT A STICKER ON IT.
NOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH OUR REGULAR CARS, THAT'S ALL GOING AWAY.
WELL TO WELL, AND NOT IN BRAZORIA COUNTY.
YOU'RE STILL GONNA, OKAY, SO WE ARE GONNA REPORT, WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL, SO AS FAR AS INSPECTION STICKERS GO, OUR INSPECTIONS, WE ARE STILL A COUNTY THAT REQUIRES THE EMISSIONS TESTING.
SO YOU WILL STILL, THEY WON WON'T HAVE TO DO THE FULL INSPECTION, BUT THEY'LL HAVE TO DO THE EMISSIONS TESTING PORTION.
I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THAT ONE THE OTHER DAY.
UM, AS FAR AS THE SEAT BELTS GO, YOU KNOW, I, I COULD SEE MAYBE SEAT BELTS ON AN NPV AND MAYBE A FOUR WHEELER THAT DOES 35, 40 MILES AN HOUR.
BUT A GOLF CART, YOU DON'T HAVE A SEAT BELTS ON AT THE GOLF COURSE.
SO I, I DON'T REALLY THINK YOU NEED IT.
PLUS, IF YOU RIDE A BICYCLE UP 'EM DOWN THE ROAD, YOU DON'T HAVE A SEATBELT ON.
I DON'T HAVE A SEATBELT ON, YOU KNOW, AND I HAVE KIDS THAT RIDE WITH ME ON MY MOTORCYCLES.
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HAVE SEAT BELTS ON.YOU JUST HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE.
THAT'S ALL AS FAR AS THE PERMITTING GOES.
MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD DO LIKE A MOBILE PERMITTING, BECAUSE IF, IF PEOPLE ARE GONNA HAVE TO TRY AND GET THEIR GOLF CARTS TO THE POLICE STATION YEAH, WE WOULD.
WHICH Y'ALL HAVE TO TRAILER 'EM AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO YEAH, WE'D HAVE TO MAKE APPOINTMENTS AND GO TO, RIGHT.
I MEAN, AS IT IS NOW, YOU CAN JUST GO DOWN TO THE LICENSE BUREAU OVER HERE AND GET A LICENSE PLATE, YOU KNOW, FOR $10 AND PUT IT ON.
AND I'VE TAKEN THE TIME TO DO THAT.
I'VE TAKEN THE TIME TO GET INSURANCE ON IT.
I'M SURE IT WOULD TAKE THE TIME TO GO GET THE PERMITTING IF I HAD TO, BUT, UH, MAYBE WE COULD HAVE SOME KIND OF MOBILE PERMITTING IF WE WANTED TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW? YES.
SO THIS IS, IF YOU DON'T MIND ME INTERJECTING JUST A LITTLE BIT ON THIS, BECAUSE THIS IS ONE OF MY MAIN PRIMARY CONCERNS, ESPECIALLY FROM A MAN FOR MANPOWER OR PURPOSE, HOWEVER YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SAY IT.
BASICALLY A STAFFING RESOURCE.
UH, EVERY CITY I'VE BEEN IN, UH, AS A CITY MANAGER, CITY ADMINISTRATOR, WE HAVE ULTIMATELY ALLOWED GOLF CARTS, NVS, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL 'EM.
UH, THE FIRST CITY, WE DIDN'T DO ANY, WE DID PASSIVE PERMITTING.
SO IT WAS EXPECTED THAT YOU WERE GONNA HAVE LIGHTS, SAFETY EQUIPMENT, AND IF YOU WERE PULLED OVER AND YOU DIDN'T HAVE THOSE ITEMS, YOU WERE TICKETED.
UH, IN, IN, IN MY, IN MY LAST CITY, WE TOOK IT TO THE EXTREME AND NOW THEY'VE GOT A THREE PERSON STAFF THAT HANDLES AND RE REGISTRATION AND PERMITTING AND INSPECTIONS.
I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO GET TO THAT POINT.
AND SO, UH, IT WOULD BE ON, WE DID AN ANNUAL REGISTRATION DAY AT CENTRALIZED SITES INITIALLY.
I THINK NOW IT'S BY MOBILE PERMIT, WHERE THEY WOULD MAKE A, AN APPOINTMENT TO COME INSPECT YOUR VEHICLE.
AND A LOT OF STAFF MAN HOURS THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO GIVE RIGHT NOW.
WELL, ON, IN THE, IN THE STATE OF TEXAS FOR RVS OVER 7,500 POUNDS, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO A SELF INSPECTION.
IT'S ONE 30 U FORM FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS.
YOU FILL IT OUT, YOU CARRY IT UP TO THE LICENSED BUREAU AND THEY GIVE YOU YOUR TAGS.
COULD WE DO POSSIBLY DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I MEAN, YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN EQUIPMENT.
IF YOU GET PULLED OVER AND YOU'VE ALREADY SIGNED THIS THING, WELL THEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S ON YOU THEN, RIGHT? WELL, I THINK YOU COULD DO, YOU KNOW, WHEN I SAY PERMITTING, I'M NOT LOOKING AT A FEE BECAUSE BELIEVE ME, I HATE THE FEES THE CITY HAS.
I WON'T EVEN PAY MY WATER BILL ONLINE 'CAUSE I HATE THE FEES.
SO, AND I GRIP TO MY COUNCIL PERSON ALL THE TIME, BUT SHE DON'T DO NOTHING ABOUT IT.
SO, BUT ANYWAY, WHEN I, WHEN I'M TALKING LIKE THE, THE, THE RESTORATION PART OF IT, IT WOULD BE JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD FILL OUT SOMETHING AND IF ANY KIND OF FEE WOULD BE MAYBE TO COVER THE COST OF A DECAL THAT THE CITY HAVE OR SOMETHING THAT, THAT YOU COULD PUT ON YOUR, YOUR, UH, YOU KNOW, YOUR LITTLE MACHINE THERE TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF YOU SIGN THIS PIECE OF PAPERS THING, I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ORDINANCE IS.
SO WHEN I GET PULLED OVER, I DON'T HAVE THE LIGHTS, YOU KNOW, OR WHATEVER THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU UNDERSTAND WHY YOU MIGHT BE GETTING TICKETED BECAUSE YOU SIGNED A DOCUMENT SAYING, HEY, I AGREE TO THAT.
NOT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE MONEY, BUT JUST SOMETHING TO WHERE THE POLICE WOULD KNOW, OKAY, THAT PERSON HAS A DECAL.
THEY'VE OBVIOUSLY SAY THEY UNDERSTAND THE RULES, SO RIGHT.
WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA PULL THEM OVER BECAUSE THEY CAN'T CLAIM WE DIDN'T KNOW.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY A FEE TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF IT OR ANYTHING.
BUT SOMETHING, SOMETHING TO GET A DECAL ON THESE VEHICLES OR SOME KIND OF SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE I THAT SAYS, HEY, WE UNDERSTAND.
I THINK AS FORMER LAW ENFORCEMENT, THE, THE MOBILE PERMITTING, WE DON'T NEED TO TAKE THE POLICE OFFICERS OFF THE STREET TO RUN AROUND TO PEOPLE'S HOUSES AND DO THAT.
I AGREE WITH THE MANAGER, THE CITY MANAGER, THAT IT'S ALL THESE LIGHTS AND STUFF ARE IMPLIED AT NIGHT.
I THINK IT'S GETTING A LITTLE TOO COMPLICATED.
UM, AND THE, AND THE LICENSED DRIVERS AND THE AGE LIMITS WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, CHILD SEATS.
BUT THE OTHER STUFF, I THINK WE'RE JUST KIND OF MAKING IT TOO DIFFICULT.
AND WE DON'T NEED TO TAKE THE POLICE OFFICERS OFF THE STREETS TO COME TO EVERYBODY'S HOUSE TO INSPECT THEM.
I MEAN, AGAIN, I'VE LEARNED WAY MORE ABOUT GOLF CART ORDINANCES I EVER THOUGHT I WOULD.
UH, THE, THE CITY OF BRAZORIA, THEIR ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER ALSO HANDLES THE GOLF CART PERMITTING.
I MEAN, THAT'S HOW THEY'VE HAD TO DO IT.
THERE'S NO WAY HE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT.
UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT IS ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS HOW, HOW DO WE ENFORCE, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE, WE'VE GOTTA MAKE SURE
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THAT WE ENFORCE IT AND WE CAN, WE CAN EDUCATE AND, AND QUITE HONESTLY, AND I I, YOU KNOW, WHAT I SEE HAPPENING NOW IS NOBODY, NOBODY'S CALLING US ABOUT IT NOW.YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I WOULD ADMIT THAT, I MEAN, IT'S OBVIOUSLY GOING ON AND NOBODY'S CALLING US ABOUT IT, SO IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S A HUGE PROBLEM.
IT'S NOT A PROBLEM UNTIL IT IS.
AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT TO HAVE, IT CAN'T BE A FREE FOR ALL.
UH, BUT WE DON'T WANNA REGULATE IT SO MUCH THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE TIED UP CHASING THIS BECAUSE WE HAPPENS IN, I'VE HAD A WHOLE ED EDUCATION IN CODE ENFORCEMENT.
AND WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU DEAL WITH ONE PERSON AND THEY GO, THAT'S FINE.
I UNDERSTAND, BUT WHAT ABOUT THEM AND THEM AND THEM? AND THAT'S HOW THIS KIND OF ROLLS FROM THERE AS WELL.
UM, SO I, I THINK IT'S, WE DON'T WANT MANPOWER WISE, WE JUST DON'T WANNA USE, USE THAT UP WHEN WE NEED TO BE DOING OTHER THINGS.
SO I, I KIND, I MEAN, AN ORDINANCE IS AN ORDINANCE.
IF YOU LIVE IN THE CITY, YOU NEED TO KNOW THE ORDINANCE.
IF YOU DON'T READ IT, THAT'S YOUR FAULT.
SO TO PUT SO MANY RESTRICTIONS ON THIS, IT JUST TAKES AWAY EVERYTHING.
YOU HAVE A, B, C, AND B, YOU DON'T GO OVER 35, YOU DON'T DO THIS.
YOU DON'T, YOU EITHER GO BY IT, YOU DON'T ALLOW A 12-YEAR-OLD TO RUN IT.
THEN YOU'VE GOT YOUR MAN KNOWING WHO TO STOP AND WHAT THEY CAN DO.
YOU, YOU KNOW, THE, THE HARD PART IS, AND IT IS KINDA LIKE THE CITY ATTORNEY, WE'VE GOTTA ACTUALLY SEE THAT VIOLATION, HOLD ON.
AND SO THAT'S THE HARD PART IS, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, BEING EVERYWHERE ALL THE TIME AND ACTUALLY SEEING THOSE VIOLATIONS, IT, IT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN.
BUT, UM, I HAVE QUICK QUESTION.
THIS IS FOR EXACTLY FOR CHRIS DUNCAN.
THERE BE A, UH, LIABILITY WITH THE CITY.
IF, IF ONE OF THE CITY EMPLOYEES WAS TO COME AND INVEST, THEY INSPECT THESE GOLF CART FROM BREAKS AND ALL THAT STUFF, THEY PASS IT, THEY'RE NOT CERTIFIED DOING IT.
WOULD THERE BE A LIABILITY FOR THAT? FOR THE CITY FOR THAT? THAT'S MY POINT.
I DON'T, I DON'T, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY LEGAL LIABILITY FOR THAT.
OBVIOUSLY, IF SOMEBODY IS SUPPOSED TO BE INSPECTING, LET'S SAY BRAKES, THEY SHOULD HAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE OF BREAKS.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, THAT CJ MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, YOU CAN OVERREGULATE, RIGHT? AND THEN IT BECOMES JUST A HUGE BURDEN FOR EVERYBODY.
RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVE BEEN AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO, UM, UM, YOU KNOW WHAT, I WOULD EXPECT THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO HAVE SOME WAY TO VERIFY THAT THERE'S THE NECESSARY EQUIPMENT, RIGHT? SO IF YOU, IF YOU REQUIRE HEADLIGHTS, BECAUSE I CAN SEE VERY EASILY WHEN I LEFT THE HOUSE, THE SUN WAS UP, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT GOT LATER QUICKER THAN I THOUGHT.
AND I'M NOT GONNA LEAVE MY GOLF CART AT MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE AND WALK HOME AND LEAVE IT THERE.
SO I'M JUST GONNA, IT'S A SHORT WAY.
UM, ANYWAY, SO, YOU KNOW, REQUIREMENT OF THE, OF THE REFLECTORS, THE LIGHTS OR WHATEVER THE EQUIPMENT REQUIREMENTS ARE, I COULD SEE AN INSPECTION OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD VERIFY THAT THAT STUFF IS IN PLACE.
BUT AS FAR AS RE YOU KNOW, INSPECTING MECHANICAL STUFF, I DON'T SEE THAT.
THAT'S, THAT, THAT WOULD WORK.
RIGHT? I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, EVEN MINE, SO MINE HAS THE HEADLIGHTS.
IT'S GOT A SEAT BELT, IT HAS EVERYTHING.
AND I TOOK MINE TO THE TAX OFFICE AND I GOT MINE REGISTERED.
SO MINE HAS AN ACTUAL LICENSE PLATE.
SO I MEAN, I WOULDN'T KNOW THAT.
I WOULD HAVE TO HAVE MINE INSPECTED AGAIN, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? BECAUSE I GOT A LICENSE PLATE FOR MINE.
I'M MINE MET ALL THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR THE TAX OFFICE TO, TO MAKE LIKE AN ELECTRIC NEIGHBORHOOD VEHICLE.
SO MINE MEETS ALL THOSE QUALIFICATIONS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A GOLF CART.
DID THE TAX OFFICE INSPECT IT? THEY DIDN'T INSPECT IT, BUT THEY GAVE ME A LICENSE PLATE FOR IT.
WHICH, WHICH IS, WHICH IS THE ODD THING.
IT WAS BRAND NEW THOUGH, RIGHT? IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE BRAND NEW THOUGH.
IT JUST HAS TO HAVE, IT HAS TO HAVE TURNING SIGNALS, LIGHTS, SEAT BELTS.
I MEAN, I GOT IT DONE ABOUT A MONTH OR TWO AFTER I BOUGHT IT.
IT DOES, IT DOESN'T REALLY EVEN NEED ALL OF THAT.
THE ONLY THING THEY CARE ABOUT IS THE WEIGHT.
THE WEIGHT AND A VIN NUMBER AND THAT'S IT.
SO, AND, AND, AND SO FOR, SO THAT KIND OF, EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS, AND WHAT WE HAVE HERE TONIGHT IS THE RESPONSIBLE GOLF CART FOLKS, RIGHT? AND, AND
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WE WOULD LOVE TO SAY THAT EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, IF WE PASS THIS, EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE.THAT JUST, SO THAT I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I, THIS GETS ME IN TROUBLE 'CAUSE I LAY ALL MY CARDS ON THE TABLE.
WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA BECOME THE GOLF CART POLICE DEPARTMENT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO, WE'RE PROBABLY ONLY GOING TO RESPOND TO THESE FOR TWO REASONS, OR THAT'S, THAT'S THREE REASONS.
NUMBER ONE, GOD FORBID THERE'S SOME TYPE OF ACCIDENT.
TWO, JUST SOMEBODY DOES SOMETHING SILLY RIGHT IN FRONT OF AN OFFICER.
AND LET'S FACE IT, MOST PEOPLE DON'T.
AND NUMBER THREE, IF SOMEBODY COMPLAINS ON SOMEBODY ELSE, OTHER THAN THAT, WE'RE JUST GONNA BE TOO BUSY TO REGULATE OR ENFORCE THESE THINGS UNTIL WE GET THOSE COMPLAINTS OR SOMETHING HAPPENS.
SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF LAYING IT ALL ON THE TABLE BECAUSE I'D LOVE TO SAY THIS WASN'T GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A WHILE, AND WE'LL GET THOSE.
WHY AREN'T YOU DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THAT? AND SO JUST, JUST KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT THAT COMES WITH THIS ON THE BACKSIDE.
UM, AND, AND SO WHEN THOSE COMPLAINTS START COMING INTO CJ THAT I'M NOT DOING MY JOB, I'M JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE AHEAD OF TIME.
SO
IT'S EQUAL TO A ELECTRIC CART.
AND I'D LIKE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
AND ALSO I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD BE IF YOU HAD TO WRITE IT UP.
UM, YEAH, JUST, JUST SOME OF THE THINGS, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE SEEN FOR ME, I WOULD WANT, I, I THINK WE DO HAVE TO LOOK AT INSURANCE.
THE, BECAUSE AGAIN, A GOLF CART OR A, YOU KNOW, ELECTRIC NEIGHBORHOOD VEHICLE, WHATEVER WE WANT IT TO, IF WE WANT IT TO EVEN OPEN IT UP TO THE SIDE BY SIDES, I, I THINK THEY CAN BE JUST AS MUCH THE CAUSE OF AN ACCIDENT AND CAUSE DAMAGE JUST AS MUCH AS SOMEBODY ELSE.
NOW THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS IF THERE'S NO REGISTRATION, NO PERMITTING, HOW DO WE KNOW WHO HAS INSURANCE? WE DON'T.
AND UNTIL SOMETHING HAPPENS, BUT THEY GET A CITATION AND WE GO FROM THERE.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF BEING AT LEAST 18.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE LICENSE DRIVER'S FINE.
UM, FOR ME, WHEN IT COMES TO THE AGE OF THE, THE PASSENGERS, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK IF WE ARE REQUIRING KIDS IN A, IN A CAR WITH METAL SURROUNDING IT TO BE IN A CHILD SAFETY SEAT AT A CERTAIN, THEN WE'VE GOTTA THINK OF SOME TYPE OF SAFETY FOR KIDS IN THESE THINGS.
WHAT THAT ANSWER IS, I'M NOT SURE.
I'D PROBABLY WANNA DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH.
LIKE I SAID, I'VE SEEN SOME THAT SAY EIGHT.
I'VE SEEN THAT WITH SEAT BELTS.
I'VE GOTTA BE IN A CHILD SAFETY SEAT.
UM, I, I DEFINITELY THINK WE, WE, WE'VE GOTTA LOOK AT HEADLIGHTS, UM, JUST IF WE'RE GOING TO, IF WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW THEM AT NIGHT, UH, THOSE ARE KIND OF THE, THE HIGH POINTS FOR ME.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING UP HERE? I LOVE TRAVIS, YOU WANT TO TAKE OVER SINCE YOU'RE HERE? OR
AGAIN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, ALL WE'RE GONNA DO IS KIND OF MAKE A SUGGESTION TO COUNCIL.
THEY'LL ULTIMATELY, UM, THEY'RE THE ONES YOU'LL ELECT.
AND SO THEY'VE GOTTA MAKE THOSE, THOSE DECISIONS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO YOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS ON, ON HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT IT.
AND THEN PLEASE, WHATEVER SUGGESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
IF YOU, IF YOU FIND A ANOTHER CITY THAT'S GOT A GREAT ORDINANCE, SEND IT TO ME.
I'M, I'M I, I'M NOT FOR REINVENTING THE WHEEL.
SO I'LL OFFER, IF YOU WANNA COME BY AND LOOK AT THE GOLF HERE, I I APPRECIATE THAT.
AND BY, AND, AND FOR, FOR, UH, OFFICER PATE, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THERE IS AN EXCEPTION FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND, AND, AND PERSONAL SAFETY ON FOR GOLF CART.
SO THERE, THERE IS AN EXCEPTION FOR US.
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ARE ARE WE GONNA RECOMMEND TONIGHT? NO, IT'S JUST CONSIDERATION.I WOULD JUST SAY, I'LL JUST ASK FOR A MOTION.
HUH? SO JUST ASK FOR A MOTION.
AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION TO, UH, EITHER, UH, GO FORWARD WITH A ORDINANCE OR NOT.
ANYBODY HERE WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION, I CAN MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TAKE NO ACTION TONIGHT AND WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING TO, WITH, WITH MR. DUNCAN, OUR LAWYER, TO DISCUSS THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WE REALLY NEED IN THERE.
LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T WANNA GET OVERBOARD ON IT, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.
UH, SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY, MY MOTION THAT WE JUST, UH, NOT TAKE NO ACTION ON IT'S TONIGHT AND MEET AGAIN AND THEN BRING IT BACK UP AT ANOTHER TIME.
A MOTION MADE TO TABLE THIS UNTIL ANOTHER SESSION WITH, UH, A LAWYER AND OTHERS AND BEEN A SECOND ALL IN FAVOR.
A A AT THIS TIME, UH, CALL FOR ADJOURNMENT.
JUST SO I, I KNOW PEOPLE WANT TO GET THIS GOING PRETTY QUICKLY, UH, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
UH, BUT PLEASE TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SEND ME YOUR IDEAS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I WANT TO KNOW, THAT WAS THE REASON I KIND, AND I KNOW WHAT MR. DUNCAN SAID.
HE SAID THIS KIND OF WASN'T THE TRAFFIC COMMISSION'S PLACE, BUT I WANTED TO HEAR FROM YOU TO SEE WHY, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS, THAT'S ALWAYS MY FIRST QUESTION OF, OF EVERYTHING.
AND SO NOW THAT I KIND OF HAVE THAT, PLEASE SEND ME YOUR IDEAS, EMAIL ME, CALL ME, AND, AND LET'S TALK ABOUT IT SO THAT I CAN GET WITH MR. DUNCAN AND WE CAN GET A ORDINANCE THAT WORKS FOR ALL OF US.
WHAT I CAN DO WHEN THE TRAFFIC COMMISSION MEETS AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I'LL PREPARE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC COMMISSION WILL THEN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND WE WON'T NECESSARILY HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT WE RECOMMEND, BUT WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE SOME DOCUMENT OF WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE.
AND SO, UM, ALL OF THE INPUT THAT WE GET, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE GET TONIGHT AND WHATEVER WE GET BETWEEN THE NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING AND WHAT HAVE, WHAT HAVE YOU, YOU KNOW, I CAN PUT THOSE DOWN IN KIND OF A, LIKE A, A LA CARTE DOCUMENT AND THEN WE CAN, YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC COMMISSION CAN KIND OF YAY OR NAY.
SO THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION AND HAVE A, A WORKING DOCUMENT TO PRESENT TO COUNSEL AFTER THE NEXT MEETING SO IT DOESN'T DRAG OFF RECORD NOTICE.
BUT WE DO, WE DO NEED TO TAKE SOME INPUT JUST TO SEE WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE AND THEN HAVE TIME TO BE ABLE TO PUT THAT IN AN ORGANIZED WAY.
ONE MORE THING TOO, MS. CHILD.
I'M BRUCE SMITH, UH, ON THE CHILD SAFETY SEATS, COULD WE BE A LITTLE BIT MORE LENIENT ON THAT? BECAUSE MOST OF THESE, OR ALL OF THESE GOLF CARTS ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE THE THREE POINT ATTACHMENTS FOR A CHILD SAFETY SEAT.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA DO THAT, IT'S GONNA, IT'S CERTAINLY, YEAH, CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE WILL LOOK AT.
THAT'S GONNA SAY WE, WE WILL TAKE ALL OF THIS AND JUST, JUST, YOU KNOW, GET ON THE, THE POINTS THAT ARE THE BIGGEST SAFETY ISSUES.
AND THEN THAT'S WHAT, WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE ALL AND ANY OTHER DISCUSSION.
IF NOT, I'LL CALL FOR A ADJOURNMENT.
WE ALREADY SAID WE ALREADY DID THAT.
WE, WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT IT THEN? THE COMMISSIONER'S ASKING FOR A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
MAKE I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.