[I. COMMENCEMENT]
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7:00 PM AND I'M CALLING THIS MEETING OF ORDER FOR THE KING CITY COUNCIL ON THURSDAY, JANUARY 9TH AT 7:00 PM UH, FIRST THING, FIRST, MR. VAUGHN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO LEAD US IN THE INVITATION? FATHER, THANK YOU FOR, UH, US UP ANOTHER DAY.THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU PROVIDE COMMUNITY.
WE, NATIONAL APPRECIATION STUFF.
WE APPRECIATE THEM ALL THE TIME AND ALL THE HARD WORK THEY DO, AS WELL AS ALL THE RESPONDERS AND THE REST OF OUR EMPLOYEES THAT JUST HELP KEEP OUR CITY RUNNING IN A FORWARD.
WE JUST ASK IF YOU, JUST, EVERYONE IN PRAY, AMEN.
IF YOU CAN JOIN US IN THE PLEDGE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA INTO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
ALL RIGHT, NEXT WE'RE GONNA HAVE ROLL CALL OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
JOE LOPEZ PRESENT, FRANCIS VAUGHN PRESENT.
NEXT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO CITIZENS AND VISITORS COMMENTS.
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITIZENS AND VISITORS TO SPEAK TO COUNSEL RELATING TO NON AGENDA ITEMS. SPEAKERS ARE ADVISED THAT COMMENTS CANNOT BE RECEIVED ON MATTERS, WHICH ARE THE SUBJECT OF A PUBLIC HEARING.
ONCE THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN CLOSED.
SPEAKERS ARE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A GENERAL PUBLIC COM COMMENT FORM IN ADVANCE PRIOR TO THE MEETING, AND MUST LIMIT THEIR PRESENTATIONS TO FIVE MINUTES EACH.
[III. CONSENT AGENDA]
WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.THE CONSENT AGENDA, UH, ITEMS LISTED UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED ROUTINE AND ARE GENERALLY ENACTED IN ONE MOTION.
THE EXCEPTION TO THIS RULE IS THAT CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, MAY REQUEST ONE OR MORE ITEMS TO BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR SEPARATE ACTION.
THE CONSENT AGENDA TONIGHT CONSISTS OF MINUTES FROM THE JOINT PUBLIC HEARING AND REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING DECEMBER 12TH, 2024 AT 7:00 PM DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? I'LL MOVE THAT MOTION.
I'LL SECOND AND I HAVE A SECOND.
UM, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.
[IV. BUSINESS ITEMS]
WE'LL MOVE ON TO BUSINESS ITEMS. ITEM A REQUEST TO APPEAR BEFORE COUNSEL BY MR. JAMES BUTTERFIELD, REQUESTING CONSIDERATE, UH, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PICKUP OF HEAVY TRASH AND ITS SCHEDULE.MR. BUTTERFIELD? YES, SIR, PLEASE.
I LIVE AT 10 38 MAPLE IN CLUE.
UH, I, UH, I'M HERE ABOUT A TRIVIAL MANNER, BUT, UH, IT'S ABOUT, UH, I WAS TRYING TO ASSIST MY NEIGHBOR AND SHE HAD SOME, UH, GARBAGE IN HER YARD THAT NEEDED TO BE TAKEN AWAY, AND I ASKED HER IF I COULD DO IT FOR HER, HER, AND SHE SAID NO, SHE WOULD GET HER GRANDSONS TO DO IT.
AND OUR TRASH, HEAVY TRASH PICKUP IS NORMALLY SCHEDULED FOR THE SECOND WEEK OF THE MONTH.
THAT SECOND WEEK, UH, HER, UH, GRANDSONS DID TAKE IT OUT, BUT IT, UH, NEEDED SOME
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HELP.SO, UH, THAT NEXT DAY, I, UH, WENT OVER AND VOLUNTEERED TO GET IT ALL OUT THERE SO IT COULD BE PICKED UP.
AND, UH, UH, HER, HER GRANDSONS DIDN'T QUITE DO A EFFICIENT JOB OF STACKING IT, SO I DID IT AND, UH, UH, WAITED FOR THE, UH, TRASH PICKUP AND IT DIDN'T COME THAT WEEK.
AND, UH, THE NEXT WEEK, UH, IT HADN'T CAME BY WEDNESDAY.
AND, UH, I CALLED THE CITY AND ASK 'EM WHEN THEY THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE PICKED UP, AND I WAS TOLD THAT, UH, THE SCHEDULE WAS BEHIND AND IT WAS POSSIBLE THAT, UH, IT MIGHT NOT EVEN BE PICKED UP THAT MONTH LAST MONTH.
SO I, UH, ENJOY, UH, BEING IN FRONT OF MY ELECTED OFFICIALS AND TELLING THEM THAT, UH, HOW I FEEL.
AND I CAME UP HERE AND I ARRANGED TO GET ON THE AGENDA AND I'M HERE BECAUSE OF THAT.
AND WHAT HAPPENED, UH, THAT WEEK? I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE, BUT HER GARBAGE DID GET PICKED UP THAT WEEK.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THURSDAY OR FRIDAY, BUT IT DID GET PICKED UP AND, AND SHE APPRECIATES HAVING HER YARD LOOK NICE AND CLEAN AND PRETTY, I WON'T SAY PRETTY, BUT ANYWAY, UH, IT'S NICE AND CLEAN AND I, UH, MADE THIS COMMITMENT.
AND, UH, I KNOW THAT Y'ALL ARE MANAGING A LOT OF THINGS AND, AND THIS IS A VERY SMALL ISSUE, BUT, UH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF IT.
AND ALSO ONE OTHER ITEM I'M GOING TO COMMENT, I'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE, AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, HER GRANDSONS DO ENJOY GOING DOWN TO THE PARK AND SHOOTING BASKETBALL.
SO, AND THAT'S A GOOD THING FOR THEM.
AND I APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION.
I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT YOU SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T BE DOING, BUT IF YOU'RE SCHEDULED FOR A CERTAIN TIME, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO TRY TO MEET YOUR SCHEDULE, AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE GOT TO SAY.
ANY QUESTIONS? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN RECURRING? HAVE, HAS IT, HAS IT HAPPENED REPEATEDLY OR WAS THIS THE FIRST TIME IN, SAY, 12 MONTHS OR SIX MONTHS, OR? WELL, NO, IT HADN'T HAPPENED REPEATEDLY, BUT, UH, ONE A COUPLE YEARS AGO IT DIDN'T GET PICKED UP.
MY TRASH DIDN'T GET PICKED UP FOR A WHOLE MONTH.
AND WHEN IT'S A WHOLE MONTH OUT THERE, MY GRASS DIES.
AND I LIKE TO HAVE GRASS GROWING IN MY YARD.
UH, AND IT'S REALLY NOT A BIG ISSUE.
UH, IT WOULDN'T, I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN A PROBLEM WITH THE WEATHER AND IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS.
AND, UH, WE HAVE BEEN, UH, UH, STRUGGLING TO, TO, UH, DO THE THINGS THAT, UH, NEED TO BE DONE.
I, FIRST OF ALL, UH, I WANT TO APOLOGIZE FOR I'M A LITTLE HARD OF HEARING.
I I WON'T APOLOGIZE FOR ANY INCONVENIENCE YOU OR YOUR NEIGHBORS SUFFERED.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAD A SERIES OF EVENTS THAT WAIT.
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AND I KNOW I'M SOFT SPOKEN, SO I APOLOGIZE.
I JUST WANTED TO APOLOGIZE FOR ANY INCONVENIENCE YOU OR YOUR NEIGHBORS MIGHT HAVE SUFFERED.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE HAD EQUIPMENT IN PERSONNEL SHORTAGES FOR A PERIOD.
WE HAD TO HAVE, LAKE JACKSON HAD TO HAVE LAKE JACKSON COME IN AND HELP US A FEW TIMES.
AND SO HAD OTHER PROBLEMS. AND WE TRIED TO PLAY CATCH UP AS BEST WE CAN.
I DON'T, I JUST WANT YOU TO BE AWARE THAT I WAS TRYING TO DO A NICE JOB OF MY
YEAH, THANK YOU MR. BUTTERFIELD FOR COMING AND ALWAYS BEING, YOU KNOW, NICE ABOUT YOUR ISSUES.
AND SO WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING UP HERE AND TELLING US.
IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME TO COME UP HERE AND HARASS
DO WE NEED A MOTION TAPE, RIGHT, SO I CAN JUST MOVE ON? YES, SIR.
ONTO ITEM B, UH, REQUEST TO APPEAR BEFORE COUNSEL, UH, BY MR. PETE MEDA, UM, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION FOR UTILITIES AT MOTEL SIX, 1000 HIGHWAY 3 32.
SO MY MISS PETE NET, I'M FROM MOTEL SIX, INCLUDE, I'M JUST REGARDING TALKING ABOUT MY WATER BILL.
UH, IF YOU SEE THE REPORT, WHAT I CREATED FROM THE CITY, UH, GAVE ME THE REME RATING ON THE FIRST PAGE.
AND IF YOU SEE THE SECOND PAGE I CREATED EVERY DAY, HOW MUCH I CONSUMED THE WATER, AND HOW MANY ROOM WE RENTED FOR THAT DAY.
IF YOU SEE TWO MONTHS, THE BIGGEST ISSUE, THREE MONTHS.
THE BIGGEST ISSUE WAS AUGUST TO 23.
SEPTE, AUGUST TO SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER TO OCTOBER, AND OCTOBER TO NOVEMBER.
AND THE ITS CONSUMPTION HAPPENED.
I WAS COMPLAINING, AND THESE GUYS ARE COME AND VISIT AND SAYS, WE CHECKED IT, EVERYTHING WAS GOOD.
I DON'T HAVE NO PLUMBING UNDERGROUND.
IF YOU SEE THAT MAP I HAVE FROM THE METER TO THE BOILER ROOM IS UNDERGROUND.
WHEN I SET MY MAIN METER OFF, MAIN WALL OFF IN THE BUILDING, THERE'S NO WATER LEAK.
AND IF IT'S A WATER LEAK, IT SHOULD SEW UP SOMEWHERE.
THERE IS NO WATER SEW UP ANYWHERE ON THE GROUND.
WHEN THEY CHANGE THE METER, THEY ISD THE WATER TOO.
THEY THOUGHT THAT'S LEAK INSIDE IN THE GROUND, BUT THERE IS NO CHLORINE PRESS ON IT.
SO THERE WASN'T ANY LEAK EITHER.
AND NOW I HAVE ALL MY PLUMBING, IT'S ON THE ATTIC, SO IF ANYWHERE LEAK, IT SHOULD SWAB.
IF YOU GO FURTHER ON THE SECOND, UH, THIRD PAGE, I HAVE A TOILET ALL INSTALLED, NIGRA TOILET IN 2011 0.8 GALLON.
IF YOU SEE MY SOUR HEAD IS 0.8 GALLON, MY, UH, AERATED FOR THE SINK IS HALF A GALLON.
AND I'M USING, IF YOU SEE DAY BY DAY ON PAGE NUMBER SECOND, EVERY DAY, LIKE 21,000 GALLON, 23,000 GALLON, IF I FILL UP MY SWIMMING POOL WITH THREE QUARTER OF GARDEN HOSE, 18,000 GALLON, EXPECT ME TWO DAYS TO FILL UP WHOLE SWIMMING POOL.
LAST YEAR, I FILLED IT UP AND I LET THE CITY KNOW.
SO MY QUESTION IS LIKE, THEY TESTED THE METER TOO.
THEY SAYS METER WAS GOOD, BUT IF YOU CHECK THE CH METER CHANGE ON 14TH OF NOVEMBER, AFTER THAT SIGNIFICANTLY
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WENT DOWN.SO MY ONLY QUESTION WHEN I TALKED TO MR. CJ, HE SAYS, WE RAN THE REPORT TO THE LAB AND IT'S ACCURATE METER.
I, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WHERE THE WATER GO, BECAUSE WE CHECK EVERY ROOM ALMOST EVERY DAY.
WHEN, SEE, I HAVE A FIRST BILL CAME OUT, $4,900, THEN $808,000, THEN 4,000.
THEN IF YOU SEE AFTER CHANGE THE METER, IT'S, IT'S WENT FROM 1100, 800.
AND IF YOU SEE HOW MANY SIGNIFICANT VACANT ROOM I RENTED BECAUSE OF THE HURRICANE AFTER HURRICANE, I RENTED LIKE A THOUSAND PLUS ROOM AND STILL MY BILL AFTER NEW METER.
SO MY ONLY ISSUE IS THIS THREE INVOICES.
I THINK THE METER HAS A MALFUNCTION, SOMETHING INSIDE.
BECAUSE IF YOU SEE, I, I RENTED 894 ROOM, 806 ROOM.
AND IF YOU SEE THE AVERAGE ROOM RENTED ON THAT MONTH, IF YOU SEE ON AUG, UH, AUGUST TO SEPTEMBER FOUR, ROOM 536 GALLON, THAT OUTRAGEOUS PER ROOM 850 GALLON PER DAY, I RENTED 838 ROOM 688.
ROOM AVERAGE WAS 4 404 95 GALLON.
AND IF SOMEBODY TAKE A SOUR FOR 15 MINUTE, STILL IT DOESN'T TAKE 1.8 GALLON PER MINUTE.
MY SOUR HEAD TOILET IS 0.8 GALLON.
SO I'M NOT DOUBTING WHAT MR. CJ, CJ SAYS, TOLD ME LIKE, YOU CAN COME AND, UH, PRESENT YOURSELF TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
CJ TOLD ME, JUST PAY SOME AMOUNT.
I ALREADY PAID EIGHT TH UH, $3,000.
IT'S TOTAL IS AND, AND, AND 4,900 ILD PAID AND TOTAL AMOUNT IS 18,000 SOME PLUS, I CAN TELL YOU EXIT NUMBER, I I HAVE A ANOTHER READING FROM THE CITY AFTER 14TH OF NOVEMBER, EVERYTHING WENT DOWN BECAUSE 14TH OF NOVEMBER THEY CHANGED THE METER.
AND BEFORE 14, IT STARTED IN AUGUST.
YOU SEE IT, IT'S UNBELIEVABLE.
EVEN JOHN DOESN'T LOOK, DON'T CHANGE AND LOOKED AT IT.
HE SAYS THAT EVERYTHING IS LOOKED GOOD AND I DON'T HAVE A NO PLUMBING IN THE GROUND WHATSOEVER.
CAN YOU GIVE US SOME BACKGROUND CJ? SURE.
SO THIS ACTUALLY, THIS SITUATION STARTED IN, IN 2023.
AND CARRIED, HAS CARRIED FORWARD.
UH, WE'VE CARRIED A BALANCE BILL FOR MR. MEDA.
UH, HE ACTUALLY, HIS INITIAL REQUEST TO COME BEFORE YOU WAS THIS SUMMER, UH, REGARDING THIS.
BUT THEN HE HAD SOME FAMILY TRAGEDIES AND FAMILY BUSINESS THAT CAME, UH, INTERRUPTED HIS ABILITY TO COME AND SPEAK.
UH, WE'VE WORKED WITH MR. MEDA, UH, OFFERED PAYMENT PLANS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL'S RULE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT IF IT'S GONE THROUGH THE METER, THEN IT IS TO BE CHARGED.
AND THAT'S THE WAY WE'VE HANDLED THIS ACCOUNT.
JOHN, LARRY, UH, THE GUYS HAVE BEEN OUT THERE COUNTLESS TIMES TO CHECK THE METER TO SEE IF IT'S RUNNING, IF IT'S NOT RUNNING.
WE DID PULL THE METER AND TEST IT.
AND SO THAT'S THE BASIS THAT WE HAVE TO GO ON, UH, TO, TO DEVELOP HIS CHARGE.
NOW HE SAYS THAT HIS OCCUPANCY WAS DOWN.
HE SAYS THAT HE WASN'T USING THE WATER, BUT THE WATER STILL WENT THROUGH THE METER.
IF YOU SEE THE BIG NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH O'CLOCK ZERO GALLON USAGE ON 9 62 O'CLOCK.
SORRY, THREE O'CLOCK, FOUR O'CLOCK, 1190.
10 GALLON, THEN SUDDENLY IT'S WENT UP.
IF I HAVE OTHER EIGHT PAGE HERE, I THINK SHOW YOU THAT EVERY HOURLY GATHER ON IT, I NEED TO GO INTO ALL OF THIS
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ON PAGE TWO.IS THIS E LIKE THREE SEPARATE BILLING CYCLES IN THE SAME YEAR? YES.
IF YOU SEE THIS ONE ON NINTH, I DIDN'T PUT IT IN.
THEN SUDDENLY CHANGE, THERE WAS A ANOMALOUS USAGE.
LAUNDRY, WE DUNNO WHEN THE WATER'S BEING USED.
WE JUST KNOW WHEN THE WATER'S GOING THROUGH THE METERS.
BUT THERE WERE DAYS, THERE WAS NO WATER USED AT ALL.
24 7 I IN OCTOBER, 700,000 PLUS SEVEN.
WELL, JUST AS A COMMENT, I'M, I'M, I'M A LITTLE LOST IN THE FIGURE.
I'M TRYING TO KEEP UP HERE, BUT I, I JUST WENT THROUGH SOMETHING REALLY SIMILAR WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND IT WAS GOING DOWN THE TOILET.
THAT'S WHERE THE WATER WAS GOING, SIR, I I JUST, I'M JUST COMPARING NOTES.
UH, I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S THE CASE WITH YOU, BUT THE ARGUMENT THAT THERE'S NOT A WET SPOT ON THE GROUND, SO I CAN'T HAVE A WATER LEAK IS NOT TRUE.
A TOILET CAN USE A SINGLE TOILET CAN RUN OVER A HUNDRED GALLONS A DAY IN YOUR HOUSE IF THE LITTLE FLAPPER HANGS.
UH, AND JUST FOR ME PERSONALLY, WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU ASKING FOR? I'M ASKING THE, TO CUT THROUGH THE CHASE ABOUT THESE THREE INVOICES.
IF YOU CAN TALK TO MR. CJ AND AVERAGE OUT MY INVOICE.
WHICH, WHICH THREE? I'M SORRY? THE INVOICE ON AUGUST.
SEPTEMBER 21ST TO OCTOBER 28TH.
OCTOBER 21 OF WHAT YEAR? 2023 I 3000 PLUS I PAY 4,900.
AND THE LAST TIME WHEN I TALKED TO C CAN YOU PUT 3000 ON IT? I PUT SOME MONEY ASIDE.
SO WHAT IS HIS BILL NOW? HIS BILL NOW IS ABOUT 4,200.
SO WHAT, LAST MONTH? NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
WHAT IS YOUR TOTAL RUNNING TOTAL? I'M ASSUMING THERE'S BEEN AN AN ONGOING PERIOD.
MR. AM I RIGHT? MR. MR. MA HAS BEEN MAKING HIS REGULAR PAYMENT AND THEN HE'S BA PAID IN DRIPS AND DRABS ON THIS ACCOUNT.
UH, WE HAD TO RED TAG HIM IN NOVEMBER, UH, AND THAT PROMPTED A PAYMENT.
UH, BUT HE'S BEEN IN CONTINUOUS COMMUNICATION WITH US ABOUT MAKING PAYMENT.
HE JUST HAS NOT WANTED TO MAKE THE PAYMENT IN FULL BECAUSE HE WANTED TO THROW HIMSELF WITH Y'ALL'S MERCY TO SEE IF HE WOULD CHANGE, UH, THE REQUIREMENT THAT HE PAID WORKING THROUGH THE METER.
SO HOW MUCH IS THAT? IT'S ABOUT LIKE YOU, YOU I I I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE, NO, SIR.
I'M ASKING WHAT DOLLAR AMOUNT ARE WE, UH, RIGHT NOW I DON'T, BECAUSE I GET 3000 PLUS I PAY ALL OF MY BILLS.
AND IF YOU COUNT THOSE LIKE ONE 50 EACH MONTH, THEY'RE CHARGING ME A FEE FOR THOSE THREE INVOICES.
THE 9 56, ONLY TWO, EIGHT AND FOUR.
SO HOW DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH OF THIS BILL IS CARRY OVER? UH, 4,900 IS ABOUT CARRY OVER PLUS THE PENALTIES AND INTEREST.
AND THAT'S BEEN CARRIED OVER SINCE WHEN? SINCE NOVEMBER OF 2023.
I MEAN, WE, WITHOUT BEING JUST TOO STRAIGHTFORWARD, WERE YOU NOT PAYING IT? 'CAUSE YOU DIDN'T THINK YOU COULDN'T USE IT OR WERE YOU NOT PAYING IT 'CAUSE YOU COULDN'T AFFORD IT? NO, NO, NO.
IT, IT IS NOT LIKE WE ARE TALKING TO THEM.
THIS IS, WE SENT A METER THEN AFTER WHEN HE TOLD ME METER TO PAY AND I SUPPOSED TO COME, BUT I DIDN'T HAVE ANY EMERGENCY TO GO CANADA.
MY MOTHER HAD STROKE THEN AFTER I HAD ANOTHER MEETING AND I NEVER GO TO HOSPITAL HERE YET.
SO I TOLD THEM, MR. CJ TOLD ME, WHY DON'T YOU PAY SOME AMOUNT? AND I DID PAY SOME AMOUNT.
SO WHEN YOU HAD THESE PROBLEMS, YOU WEREN'T PAYING AT ALL? NO, HE WAS PAYING HIS, HE PAID HIS, SO HE WOULD PAY HIS MONTHLY BILL, BUT NOT THE, NOT THE OVERAGE.
SO WE'VE BEEN CARRYING THE ARREARS SINCE, SINCE NOVEMBER OF 20.
WE'VE TRIED TO WORK WITH HIM AND, AND I THINK PETE HAS BEEN IN, LIKE I SAID, HE'S BEEN IN COMMUNICATION.
HE'S, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PAYMENT PLANS, BUT HE WANTED TO THROW HIMSELF AT Y'ALL'S MERCY TO
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THAT.THE FIRST YEAR WHEN I SAID THAT 4,900 I EVEN CALLED LUMBER.
I CHECK EVERY MY ROOM TOILET, EVERYTHING.
I, I'M SORRY, THIS IS JUST ME TALKING.
IT'S NOT EVEN, SO HOW, WHAT IS THE DOLLAR FIGURE THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING US CONSIDER, IT'S JUST WHAT I'M ASKING.
MR.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WIPING OUT ALL THE ARREARS? I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING ALL, ALL.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S THE AVERAGE RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T, I JUST CAME TO REASON MYSELF.
IF YOU WANT ME, I CAN SIT DOWN BECAUSE REALISTICALLY WE'RE DISCUSSING THE ARREARS MONEY, CORRECT? YES.
SO WHATEVER YOUR BILL IS, THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
I'M ASKING, I'M I'M TRYING TO HELP YOU, BUT I NEED TO KNOW WHAT IS THAT NUMBER BECAUSE YOU HAVE A BALANCE.
I CAN, I CAN
I'M ASKING YOU NOW, OUT OF THE $4,900, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE FOR ME TO SAY THAT YOU MIGHT BE CREDITED IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR.
SEE TOTAL, IF THIS COMES OUT IS THREE MONTHS, 18,000 SOMETHING.
AND I ALREADY PAY 8,000 AND I PAY SOME MONTH.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IS A BALANCE RIGHT NOW.
YEAH, I WAS, WELL THE BASE AMOUNT WAS 49 PLUS THE PENALTIES AND INTEREST.
AND THAT'S BEEN COMPOUNDING AT $150 A MONTH.
YEAH, WELL ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT BEFORE THAT.
YEAH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YEAH.
I WAS GONNA SAY A NUMBER, BUT I'D RATHER YOU DO IT ON THERE.
SO ARE YOU ASKING FOR, OR WOULD IT BENEFIT YOU THAT IF WE DECIDE TO DO SOMETHING IT'S $2,100 A NUMBER? OR IS IT MORE THAN THAT? IT IS MORE THAN THAT BECAUSE, WELL, THAT'S THE REASON I'M ASKING YOU.
I NEED YOUR MATH TO TELL ME WHAT HE WOULD LIKE.
I I, MY MATH IS, IS $18,000 THIS THREE MONTHS.
WHATEVER I PAY, THEY, THEY CAN GIMME A CREDIT.
SO IF I CAN COUNT THE HIGHEST MY BILL EVER, OKAY.
IF THIS WHOLE THING IS NOT MORE THAN 3000, EVEN THE HURRICANE TIME WHEN I RENTED 700, 1700, MY WAS 1900 NEW METER INSTALL BEFORE, I NEVER HAD AN ISSUE BEFORE MARCH SINCE 2021.
THIS IS THE LAST THREE MONTHS OF THE OLD METER AS ACTING UP.
SIR, I BELIEVE ALL THIS I UNDERSTAND YOU.
I'M ASKING WHAT DO YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD? SO MOVE FORWARD IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS THREE MONTH YOU COUNT IS 18,000.
I'D LIKE TO GO IN A STRAIGHT LINE.
$18,004 FOR LAST THREE MONTHS, 4,000.
HE WANTS US TO, HE'S BEEN MAKING PAYMENTS AND IT'S BEEN ACCRUING AGAINST THAT TOTAL.
WHAT HE'S ASKING THOUGH IS THAT WE WIPE THE SLATE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THAT MONEY AND THEN GIVE HIM THE AVERAGE BILL FOR THE PREVIOUS 12 MONTHS.
SO HE JUST WANTS US TO ZERO OUT HIS BALANCE BASICALLY.
WELL, HE WANTS US TO CREDIT HIM BACK.
BASICALLY HIS CURRENT BILL, AVERAGE MONTHLY BILL IS ABOUT 17 $1,800.
HE WANTS US TO BILL HIM THAT TOTAL FOR THOSE THREE MONTHS INSTEAD OF THE, THE WHAT WENT THROUGH THE MEETING.
SO WHAT IS THAT NUMBER? THAT WOULD BE IF, IF, IF THEY AVERAGE IT OUT, WHAT PIECES THAT HAVE? SIX 17, $1,800.
17 TIMES THREE 50, $100 INSTEAD.
SO YOU'RE SAYING INSTEAD OF PAYING 18,000, YOU SHOULD HAVE PAID AROUND THAT $5,100 AND YOU WOULD LIKE TO GET THE CREDIT BACK, IS WHAT HE'S SAYING? THAT'S WHAT HE'S SAYING IS WHAT YOU'RE REQUESTING.
I'M NOT SHOWING THE NUMBERS 1700.
BUT YOU CAN ASK ROSIE OR AVERAGE OUT FOR LAST THREE YEARS.
WHAT WOULD AVERAGE OUT, I DON'T MIND TO PAY THAT.
SO HE, IF IF, IF HE WERE, WHAT BASICALLY WHAT HE'S ASKING IS, IS WE KEEP WHATEVER HE'S PAID THUS FAR AND THEN THE BILL FOR THAT WOULD BE RESIZED DOWN TO I MY CALCULATION SAYS 5 55 50, UH, PAYABLE AND THEN NO INTEREST PENALTIES, NO LATE FEES OR ANYTHING.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW, THE COUNSEL WANTS TO BE IN THE POSITION OF SETTING IT.
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PRECEDENT.I I'M THE THICK HEADED ONE OVER HERE.
SO I'M A LITTLE SLOWER THAN THEY, THEY'RE PICKING IT UP FASTER THAN I CAN.
I DON'T DUNNO HOW TO SAY WHAT I'M THINK, I THINK I
SO THE 5,500, THAT WOULD BE WHAT? THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE LATE P LATE RANGE.
THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY OF THAT.
WHAT HE'S ASKING IS IT BASICALLY WE SAY THAT THOSE THREE MONTHS, SOMETHING WAS WONKY, SOMETHING WAS WEIRD, THE WATER EVAPORATED, IT WAS A MIRACLE, WHATEVER IT WAS.
AND INSTEAD OF OWING 18,000 FOR THAT PERIOD, HE SHOULD HAVE OWED 5,500 IN SEVEN.
BUT HE'S PAID DOWN ON THAT AMOUNT.
SO, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXACT, I DIDN'T KNOW HE'D MADE THE $3,000 PAYMENT THE OTHER DAY PER OUR CONVERSATION.
I APPRECIATE THAT, BY THE WAY.
UM, BUT SO HE'S ASKING BASICALLY THAT WE WIPE THE SLATE CLEAN SO THAT THOSE THREE MONTHS, HIS AVERAGE BILL WOULD'VE BEEN X NUMBER OF DOLLARS, MULTIPLY THAT BY THREE AND THEN WAIVE THE PENALTIES, WAIVE LATE FEES AND ALL THAT.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S A POSITION THAT WE WANT BE IN.
BUT THAT IS WHAT, THAT IS YOUR REQUEST, RIGHT? YES.
SO, SO ONCE AGAIN, WHAT IS THE NUMBER? PARDON? WHAT IS THE NUMBER THAT YOU'RE ASKING US TO CONSIDER? $82,000 PAGE IS GIVING YOU BASED ON THIS IS, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT 2000 A MONTH TIMES 14 MONTHS OR ONE MONTH? IT'S JUST THREE MONTHS.
YOU'VE BEEN IN ARREARS SINCE 23? YEAH.
SEE MY WATER BILL IN THREE MONTHS WAS 18,000.
AND THAT THREE MONTHS, IF YOU SEE IT IN 2023, IT'S THE SECOND PAGE.
I THOUGHT I SAW IT ON THE VERY FIRST PAGE.
OH, WELL THIS IS BROKEN DOWN, RIGHT? YEAH, BUT THIS IS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT.
THIS IS THOSE THREE BIG BILLS.
NO, HE WANTS CAN BRING, I'M STILL TRYING TO TOTAL.
SO HE WANTS TO SAY THAT WHAT HE'S PAID OUTSIDE OF THESE THREE, HE TWO MONTHS, THAT OUTSIDE OF THIS THREE MONTH PERIOD THAT HE'S REQUESTING, HE'S MADE ALL OF HIS PAYMENTS.
HE'S REFUSED TO PAY THE BACK CHARGES AND HE IS REFUSED TO, REFUSED TO PAY THE TOTAL OF THIS THREE MONTHS.
SO WHAT HE'S ASKING COUNSEL THIS TO TAKE THESE THREE MONTHS, WIPE 'EM OFF, HE'LL WILL YOU GET TO KEEP WHATEVER HE'S PAID TOWARDS THAT TOTAL SO FAR.
AND THEN HE'S ASKING THAT THOSE BE AVERAGE BILL FOR THOSE MONTHS.
AND THEN THE PENALTIES AND INTEREST WAIVE.
I DON'T DON'T, I CAN TAKE FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, ALL WE CAN DO IS MOVE FORWARD.
I I CAN'T, I I PERSONALLY DON'T, CAN'T GO THERE.
I DON'T, I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
JOHN, CAN I, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? SURE.
I'M, I DON'T UNDERSTAND EXACTLY.
I I'M NOT SAYING YOU WENT TO GO LOOK AT HIS METER, RIGHT? AND YOU WE TESTED HIM.
WHERE'S THE BIG JOB THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT HERE? IT'S, THIS IS WHAT I PAID FOR MY BILL OVER HERE.
THIS WAS, BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE HE, THIS IS WHERE Y'ALL, THIS IS WHERE THE, THAT HE DOESN'T THINK HE OWNS COMPARE.
TWO, THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING AND HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN THE ROOM? REPORTS, REPORTS, REPORTS.
DID WE HAVE ANY INCREASES TO, SO THIS IS AUGUST HAD A COUPLE INCREASES IN WATER THROUGH SEPTEMBER 20TH.
I I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHO THE NUMBERS, BUT ANYWAY, DURING THIS TIME PERIOD, HE HAD THIS MANY GALLONS GO THROUGH AND IT COST HIM THIS MUCH.
SO THE FOLLOWING MONTH HE HAD LESS AND IT'S DONE.
SO TO ME THAT SAYS SOMETHING'S WRONG.
WELL THERE'S A FIRE HYDRANT TIED BACK, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
AND WHETHER IT IS TIED TO YOUR LINE GOING IN OR NOT, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT.
BUT THERE ARE ONE IN THE ROOM.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT FOR, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG YOU HAD THE HOTEL.
THESE HOTELS, WHEN THEY PUT A SPRINKLER SYSTEM IN FAR LINE IN, THEY TIE TO THEIR LINE GOING INTO THEIR HOTEL.
I HAVE NO PLANS OF BUILDING HOW IT WAS BUILT ORIGINALLY BUILT.
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KNOW THE METER OUT FRONT THERE NO OTHER LINE GOING IN THAT THE, BUT THEN AGAIN, I, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S NO WATER COMING UP ON THE GROUND TO SEE WHERE IT'S COMING UP.UH, WHERE THE LEAK COULD BE AT IF THERE WAS A LEAK.
UM, ONLY THING I SAY IS THAT IT WENT THROUGH THE METER.
WE WENT OUT THERE SEVERAL TIMES.
WE, WE SET THE METER OFF, TESTED THE THIRD POINT.
IT'S NOT UP, IT'S AN OMNI METER.
IT'S A LARGER COMMERCIAL PIPE METER.
UM, WE, WE SAID PUT A WHOLE BRAND NEW METER IN THERE AND UH, THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO.
BUT WE'RE, WE'RE RESTING ON A THIRD TEST THE METER, UH, IT'S NOT US TESTING THE METER.
AND THEY SENT THE INFORMATION BACK TO YOU TO PROVIDE A COPY OF THE REPORT.
I'VE GOT A COPY OF THE REPORT HERE THAT, OH, THOSE ROOMS. THAT'S NOT THE, OKAY.
AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO GO OFF OF.
I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO GO OFF.
I CAN'T SAY WHAT HAPPENED ON EITHER SIDE.
OH, THIS IS, I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I DON'T, I'M NOT IN THIS BILL.
WELL, IT STOPPED PRIOR TO US PUTTING NEW, I WAS GONNA SAY ACTUALLY, IF YOU TAKE THE THREE MONTHS TIMEFRAME THAT WHATEVER HAPPENED STOPPED, THEN YOU JUST START TO SEE THE BILL RIGHT WHERE THE COMPLAINT COME IN AND YOU WANT THE METER TESTED.
WHATEVER HAPPENED DURING THAT TIMEFRAME STOP.
THEN WE SET THE METER OFF TESTED LATER AFTER IT ALREADY STOPPED.
IT DIDN'T STOP BECAUSE WE CHANGED AND PUT THE METER THERE.
YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THE BILL COMES 30 DAYS AFTER THE END OF THE, THE WEEK.
SO IT WAS STILL DOING IT WHILE WE WERE IN THE PROCESS.
WE TOOK THE METER OUT WHILE I WAS STILL DOING IT.
THEN I COULD, I COULD UNDERSTAND, BUT WHATEVER TOOK PLACE STOPPED PRIOR TO US CHANGE THE METER OUT.
DID WE HAVE AN INCREASE ANYTIME DURING THAT YOU DID A RATE INCREASE? UH, NO.
YOUR RATE INCREASE WOULD'VE BEEN IN EFFECT BEFORE THAT.
AND KEEP IN MIND ALSO THAT AS A COMMERCIAL CUSTOMER, UH, HIS WATER BILL, YOU HAVE THE WATER BILL.
HE'S CHARGED THE SAME OUNCE ON A SEWER.
SO, AND THERE'S NO CAP ON THE SEWER.
SO IF, UH, IF, IF HE USED 25,000 GALLONS, HE'S GONNA BE CHARGED OR 25,000 FOR THE GALLONS OF SEWER.
SO A LOT OF YOUR COST ELEVATION OF THIS IS ALSO NOT JUST ON THE WATER SIDE, BUT IT'S ON THE SEWER SIDE.
I, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT 710,000 GALLONS IT SHOULD SOMEWHERE.
BUT THE FIRST BILL CAME UP FIVE 4,900.
WE CHECKED EVERY ROOM AND MOST OF THE, EVERY OTHER DAY WE CHECKED IT ON PERSONAL.
HE SAYS, YOU DON'T HAVE NO LEAK BECAUSE I HAVE ALL THE TOILET IS HIGH EFFICIENCY, 9.8 GALLON.
WERE THEY CHECKING IT AT THE METER WHEN THEY WERE CHECKING IT IN THE ROOM? WE DID
I EVEN TURN THE WATER ME LINE OFF AT MY BUILDING.
IF HE NORMALLY METER SHOULD MOVE, YOU WON'T MOVE.
BUT WE'RE NOT, WHEN THEY CAME TO CHANGE THE METER, THERE WAS A WATER COMING FROM THE GROUND, IT WAS RAINING.
JOHN SAID, HEY LOOK, THIS IS, I DON'T THINK SO.
THEN I TOLD THEM, LIKE JOHN SAID, YEAH, WE CAN CHECK THE CHLORINE AND THERE'S ZERO CHLORINE.
WELL, IF IT HAD BEEN LEAKING ON, IF IT HAD BEEN LEAKING AT THE METER, IT WOULD'VE BEEN WENT THROUGH THE METER.
SO, WHICH MEANS THAT IF THAT WA IF WE'RE SAYING THAT WATER RUN THROUGH THE METER, IT WAS GOING RIGHT DOWN THE DRAIN, LITERALLY WHERE IT GOING BECAUSE I RIGHT DOWN THE DRAIN INTO THE SEWER.
I CALL PROFESSOR BER PLUS WE ARE CHECKING EVERY ROOM, EVERY ALMOST DAY.
EVERY MY HOUSEKEEPER, I TOLD HIM LITTLE BIT AND I PUT DYE ON MY EVERY TANK.
SO RIGHT AWAY, WHERE DOES THE D SHOW UP? WHEN IS BOTTOM RUNNING? IT'LL GIVE YOU A CAR IN THE BOWL.
YEAH, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY BUT PAST THAT, THERE'S NO WAY OF TELL HIM SO THAT IT, THERE WASN'T LEAK STILL I TO 800, UH, 700,000 GALLON NEXT MONTH.
I, I HAVE TO BE HONEST, HERE'S MY CONCERN.
THIS IS, YOU'RE NOT THE FIRST ONE.
I LITERALLY WENT TO ONE OF OUR RESIDENTS HOUSE AND RUN WATER IN A FIVE GALLON BUCKET AND WATCHED THE METER BECAUSE SHE HAD PROBLEMS AND IT WAS HER TOILET.
RIGHT? IF YOU, A TOILET IS A WATER THIT.
IF YOU SEE MY CONSUMPTION RED FEET HOUSES THOUSAND, 24,000 GALLON A DAY, I FILL UP MY FOLD WITH THREE QUARTER OF GARDEN HOLES.
IT TAKE ME TWO DAYS FOR 18,000 GALLONS.
WELL, YOU GOT BAD WATER PRESSURE.
'CAUSE I FILLED MY 14,000 GALLON POOL UP IN A DAY.
I'M JUST SAYING I LIVE ON LAZY LANE HERE.
YOU, MY NEIGHBORHOOD I KNOW IS NOT FAR.
WE'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF
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DOCUMENTATION YOU CAN'T ARGUE WITH, WITH WHAT'S HERE.BUT THEN WHAT DO WE F THE FACT THAT THIS WATER DIDN'T, THE ONLY WAY YOU GOT A BILL WAS 'CAUSE THIS WATER WENT THROUGH THE METER.
DO WE AGREE ON THAT? WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER WAY OF BILLING.
NOW WHERE IT WENT FROM THE METER IS THE QUESTION I DO UNDERSTAND YOU SAID YOUR METER READING SOURCE, BUT I SHOW YOU OTHER PART TWO, THERE'S A ZERO OUR AWAY THE 1200 GALLONS, THEN ZERO, THEN SUDDENLY WENT AGAIN.
THE POINT IS, IS WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED ON YOUR SIDE OF THE METER.
WE ONLY KNOW WHAT THE METER REGISTERS AND THE METER SHOWS TO BE ACCURATE TO 99.9%.
SIR, I DO UNDERSTAND, BUT I DON'T HAVE GROUND PLUMBING.
I CHECKED PERSONALLY, I HIRED THE PLUMBER.
EVERYTHING WE DID ONLY THING IS AROUND WATER IS A TOILET.
WELL, FROM A, FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT ON THIS, UH, AGENDA ITEM, UH, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL HAS, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THREE OPTIONS.
SOMEBODY CAN MAKE A, UH, OR TWO OPTIONS.
SOMEONE FROM COUNCIL CAN MAKE A MOTION EITHER, UH, TO, UH, DENY THE REQUEST OR APPROVE THE REQUEST.
UH, OR IF THE COUNCIL FEELS LIKE THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO REALLY MAKE A DECISION, THEN THAT Y'ALL COULD MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE IT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S THERE WOULD BE ANY MORE INFORMATION FORTHCOMING OR ANY MORE INSPECTIONS BECAUSE IT'S, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR QUITE A WHILE, SO I DON'T KNOW IF, I DON'T KNOW IN THE FUTURE, Y'ALL GET ANY BETTER INFORMATION THAN YOU'RE GETTING RIGHT HERE TODAY.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU MAY BE CONVINCED TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF HIM.
YOU MAY BE CONVINCED TO VOTE AGAINST HIS REQUEST OR YOU MAY NOT KNOW.
AND IN THAT CASE YOU SAY, WELL, WE JUST WANT TO TAPER IT.
'CAUSE WE JUST REALLY DON'T KNOW.
I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, THEN I'LL GO WITH THAT ON THIS.
I, I HAVE A, MAYBE IT'S, I LOOK BOTH WAYS.
UH, IN SEPTEMBER OF 23 FROM JULY 20TH THROUGH WHATEVER THAT DATE IS, AUGUST 20TH.
RIGHT HERE, THE BILL WAS $2,644.
AND YOU USED FOUR 7,000 GALLONS.
OH, THAT WAS FROM AUGUST 20TH TO SEPTEMBER 25TH.
IF, IF YOU WANNA SEE THE SECOND PAGE, YOU'LL GIVE YOU THE BASE CYCLE.
THE PRINTOUT THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, WELL, NO, I'M JUST LOOKING.
AND SEPTEMBER, THE BILL WAS $2,644 AND 84 CENTS.
AND IF I'M READING IT RIGHT, THE USAGE WAS 47,000 47 49.
THEN HOW IS THE BILL THE NEXT MONTH? 4,000, THAT GOES TO SEVEN AND THEN YOU DROP DOWN THE NEXT MONTH.
AND EVEN IT'S 3 82 AND THE BILL IS DOUBLE.
OKAY, MR. IN NOVEMBER, IS THIS A ADDITIONING OF THERE THERE'S, THERE'S A CARRYOVER THAT I THINK HE'S FOLLOWED PUT IN THERE.
BUT THERE'S ALSO THE FACT THAT WE HAD LONGER PERIODS ON RES IN CERTAIN TIME PERIODS.
I'M JUST LOOKING AT USAGE VERSUS AMOUNT.
I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF THROWING ME OFF.
IT'S, IT'S BECAUSE OF THE CITY.
THAT'S THE PURPOSE I READ OUT AND I JUST PUT IT THROUGH IN, BUT IF YOU SEE IT HERE, LOOK, IF YOU SEE IT HERE, THIS IS EXIT.
HOW MUCH WAS THIS BILL? HOW MUCH WAS THIS BILL? AND HOW MUCH WAS THAT BILL? BECAUSE THESE ARE SHOWING DIFFERENT DATES.
SO THIS IS AN ACCUMULATION OF YOUR BILL? NO, IT JUST DOESN'T SHOW THE PAYMENT.
NO, THIS IS THE, THIS IS A ACCURATE BILL.
HE, WHEN HE PAYS THE ACCURATE BILL, IT'S THE NUMBER.
WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS A COMPOUNDING THERE FROM ONE MONTH TO THE NEXT, BECAUSE HE DID NOT, HE'S GOTTA CARRY OUT BALANCE.
THAT'S WHAT MY, YEAH, THAT, OH, YOU SEE THIS ONE? IT IS ACCURATE HERE.
THE DATE FROM HERE TO HERE, I SHOW YOU.
THIS ONE IS GOING TO 10 25, 10 20 20.
OKAY, THIS IS THE CITY, BUT CITY CUTOFF IS THE 20TH.
SO WHAT I HAVE, LIKE IF YOU SEE THIS, THE OTHER, THE CITY LIKE THIS CALCULATION, I, I TOTALED IT OUT.
IT COMES OUT SAYING WHAT THE CITY'S AMOUNT.
MY QUESTION WAS THIS, AND I THINK HE EXPLAINED IT, BUT I WANT YOU TO VERIFY THAT.
SO MY QUESTION IS, HOW DID THIS $472,000
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COST YOU 2,645? LIKE, WE BOTH CAN'T TALK AT THE SAME TIME.WE'RE JUST NOT GETTING ANYWHERE.
IF YOUR BILL FOR $2,644 BOUGHT YOU 472,000 GALLONS OF WATER, I'M JUST SAYING THEN MY, MY NEXT QUESTION IS, SO THEN $4,956 BOUGHT YOU 710,000 GALLONS.
SO UNLESS THIS IS AN ACCRUING BILL, WHICH HE SAYS IT IS.
ARE WE ABLE TO GET A COPY OF THE ACTUAL BILL? YES.
JOHN, THIS, I'M GONNA MOVE FOR THOSE THREE BILLING.
YEAH, WE'LL, ALRIGHT, I'M FIXING MICRO.
SEE, THIS IS THE ONE THEY GAVE ME AND I JUST PUT IT ON A, THE, WHERE DO YOU HAVE THE ACTUAL BILL THAT'S NOT SHOWING LIKE AN ACCRUAL OF FEES AND STUFF ON IT? OBJECT HERE.
SO THESE ARE NOT BEING ACCRUED AS IT GOES DOWN.
I HAVE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU AT THIS TIME, I'D HAVE TO LOOK OVER THESE NUMBERS SOME MORE.
I THINK THAT COMPARABLE, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO TABLE THIS UNTIL WE EITHER GET THE HEAD WRAPPED AROUND THIS AND VERIFY THAT I'M, THIS STILL CONFUSES ME, OKAY? MM-HMM
I, I, THIS STILL LOOKS LIKE AN ACCRUING AMOUNT BECAUSE THE GALLONS DOESN'T MATCH THE DOLLARS.
I CAN MAKE YOUR REPORT VERY CLEAR MONTH BY MONTH, LIKE THE WAY I DID HERE AND WHAT I PAID BY THE CHECK NUMBER AND CHECK COPIES.
I, I, I GET THE CYCLE, I GET THE BILL BILLS.
MY, MY, MY REAL PROBLEM IS THE CARRYOVER.
OKAY? I CAN GET YOU ALL THE CHECK FOR CANCELED COPIES WITH THE SPREADSHEET.
ALL I NEEDED, IF THIS WAS YOUR BILL, HOW MUCH DID YOU PAY? NO PROBLEM.
I CAN, I CAN, I CAN GIVE YOU THAT, THAT WILL TELL ME IF WE HAVE AN ACCRUING NUMBER, WHICH OUR CITY MANAGER SAYS YOU, HE THINKS IT DOES.
AND YOU'RE SAYING YOU THINK IT DON'T.
SO AT THIS POINT, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE THIS TILL WE GET SOME MORE INFORMATION.
I HAVE A MOTION, UH, TO TABLE ITEM B.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO TABLE ITEM B.
ANY OPPOSED? WE'LL GET THAT INFORMATION, SEE WHAT GOES UP.
I JUST WANNA BE REAL CLEAR, JUDGE.
MOVING ON TO ITEM C, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON ANNUAL REVIEW TO RETAIN THE ETHICS POLICY ORDINANCE WITHOUT CHANGES FOR APPOINTED AND ELECTED OFFICIALS, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND EMPLOYEES WHEN REPRESENTING THE CITY OR THE SCHEDULING OF A PUBLIC HEARING DATE FOR ANY POTENTIAL CHANGES.
CJ, THIS IS A BOILER PLATE, UH, CUSTOMARY HOUSEKEEPING THAT WE DO EVERY JANUARY.
UM, IF COUNSEL HAS ANY CHANGES, THE ETHICS POLICY STAFF FOUND NO NEED TO CHANGE.
THE ETHICS POLICY IS, UH, ROUTINELY CHECKED EVERY JANUARY.
THIS IS PART OF OUR CHARTER REQUIREMENTS.
WE SEE NO REASON TO UPDATE THE ETHICS AT THIS TIME, BUT IF COUNSEL HAS ANY CHANGES THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE MADE TO THE POLICY, UH, THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO LET THAT KNOW AND THEN WE'LL TAKE IT UP AT A LATER DATE TO SET A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF THAT, OF ANY CHANGES THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
THESE CHANGES THAT WE MAKE YEAR, BECAUSE WE CHANGED THESE YEARLY, RIGHT? YOU REVIEW THEM YEARLY.
THEY'VE BEEN, BUT WE DON'T MAKE CHANGES NECESSARILY.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, I DON'T THINK WE'VE CHANGED THEM PROBABLY SINCE 2022.
AND THE, THE ONLY TIMES WHEN WE CHANGED 'EM IS BECAUSE THE STATE LAW REQUIRES IT, CORRECT.
IS THE LAST TIME WE CHANGED IT? NO, THIS IS A CHARTER.
THIS IS A CHARTER REQUIREMENT.
AND THIS IS FOR, THIS IS NOT THE PD AT, THIS IS EVERYBODY'S ETHICS.
ALL CITY OFFICIALS, ALL CITY STAFF, ALL INCLUDED.
UH, I THINK IF THERE'S NO CHANGE, IF THERE'S NO CHANGE, I DON'T THINK WE NEED A MOTION.
AND IF THERE, IF THERE'S EVER A, A POLICY OR ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED, WE CAN BRING THIS UP AT ANY TIME.
THIS IS JUST AN AUTOMATIC CALENDAR TRIGGER THAT WE DO EVERY JANUARY
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TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE.COUNSEL, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
UH, ITEM D, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO ADOPT THE RECOMMENDATIONS BY THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION FOR THE CITY CHARTER AMENDMENTS AND THE PROPOSITIONS TO BE PLACED ON THE MAY, 2025 ELECTION.
THESE, DO WE, DO WE HAVE TO READ THESE THROUGH? DO WE HAVE TO READ THEM? WE DO HAVE TO READ, YES, SIR.
UM, AND THE CHAIRMAN OF THE CHARTER COMMISSION IS PRESENT, MR. ATKINS TO MAKE HIS PRESENTATION AND RECOMMENDATION.
UH, LIKE TJ SAID, I'M JERRY ASINS, UH, WAS CHAIRMAN OF THE 20 24 3 CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
I'M HERE TO PRESENT BRIEFLY THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, FOR THE MAY UPCOMING MAY ELECTION ON ANY, UH, POSSIBLE CHANGES.
UH, IN ADDITION TO SERVING MIKE
UH, MR. SO, UH, ALSO CONTRIBUTING, WERE THE CITY MANAGER, MR. PIPE, UH, CITY ATTORNEY, MR. DUNCAN, AND OF COURSE ROSIE WHO KEPT US IN LINE AND ON TRACK, UH, FOR ALL OUR REASONS.
UH, THERE ARE FOUR PROPOSALS, WHICH THE DETAILS ARE INCLUDED IN THE AGENDA PACKET.
UH, FOR THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE, AS IN THE PAST, THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE IS, IS IN, IN THE RED PRINT, AND THE CURRENT LANGUAGE IS IN THE BLACK PRINT.
AND THE GREEN PRINT IS THE LANGUAGE FOR THE CHARTER.
IF THE VOTERS, THERE'S THREE YOU A CHANCE TO LOOK QUESTION.
THE FIRST ONE IS THE SECTION 10.17, WHICH THE SALES AND AND USE TAX REVENUE.
UH, ESSENTIALLY, UH, WE'RE ADDING USES FOR THE 40% SALES TAX.
UH, PREVIOUSLY IT WAS EXPANDED FOR CURBS AND GUTTERS AND, AND LANDSCAPING.
UH, THIS PROPOSAL WILL ADD TRAFFIC SIGNALS AND TRAFFIC CONTROLS AND, UH, AND SOME EXISTING TREAT, UH, FOUR EXISTING STREETS AND POSSIBLY WELL INCLUDED THE REMOVAL RECONSTRUCTION OF RELOCATION OF EXISTING STREETS.
SO, UM, OVER THE YEARS, WHICH I'VE SERVED A COUPLE TIMES, UH, BEEN HESITANT TO MAKE THE CHANGES TO THE 40% USE AS MR. CJ CAN ATTEST.
SO IT, UH, IT, I'M CONVINCED NOW, IT'S, IT'S A GOOD MOVE.
WE DID, UH, I GUESS MAYBE A COUPLE YEARS, OR MAYBE TWO, TWO TIMES AGO, WE DID MAKE THE, THE CHANGE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, CHANGED MY MIND AND CONVINCED ME WAS THAT WE DO, UH, THE CITY DOES HAVE A FUND BALANCE THAT WE COULD BE PUTTING INTO GOOD USE OR IF WE DO HAVE THE CORRECT PLAN AND, AND MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE A SCHEDULE SO THAT WE CAN, UH, USE THE FUNDS BECAUSE WE DESIGNATE FOR THAT TO MAKE SOME, UH, NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS.
SO HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE A PLAN.
I THINK MR. MR. CJ IS, IS WORKING ON THAT TO DEVELOP A PLAN, PLAN AND A SCHEDULE.
AND OF COURSE, WE ALL KNOW THAT THE, THE NEED FOR THE TRAFFIC CONTROL SIGNALS IS, IS GREAT.
UH, THE FACT THAT, UH, BACK WHEN I WAS SERVING, WE COULDN'T GET PARTS YET.
SO I HAVE NO IDEA HOW YOU GUYS WORKING.
UM, THE NEXT SECTION WILL BE SECTION 15.17.
THEY GAVE A LITTLE C PUBLISHED IN SAMPLE BALLOTS.
BASICALLY, THIS IS JUST, UH, UP WITH THE TIMES WHERE INSTEAD OF HAVING TO PUBLISH IT IN THE NEWSPAPER, UH, WE WOULD PUBLISH IT, UH, ON THE, THE WEBSITE.
SO IT WOULD BE THE SAMPLE BALLOT FOR THE ELECTION AND CHARTER REVIEW ITEMS, WHATEVER.
SO THAT JUST WE'RE CATCHING UP WITH THE TIME ON THAT ONE.
THE THIRD ONE IS SECTION 1702, WHICH IS THE SUBMISSION OF CHARTER, UH, TO ELECTIONS.
BUT, UH, THIS CLARIFIES SECTION 17 WITH APPEAL, WHICH APPLIES TO THE TOTAL CHARTER REWRITE, WHICH WE'RE NOT DOING.
AND SECTION 16 IS ONLY APPLIES TO THE CHARTER.
SO BASICALLY WE'RE CLARIFYING THAT THIS, UH, ADDS A SECTION 17 OH OH, WHICH IS KIND OF UNUSUAL BECAUSE IT ALL START, USUALLY START OH ONE.
BUT ANYWAY, THIS, THIS WILL CLARIFY THE NEW CHART.
THAT THIS ONLY APPLIES TO THE NEW CHART EVER.
UH, THE CURRENT LANGUAGE IN, IN SECTION 17 WILL, WILL STAY THE SAME.
UH, THE LAST SECTION, UH, SECTION 6 0 2 IS THE PETITION FOR RECALL.
THIS IS PRETTY SIMPLE THREAT FORWARD.
THIS CHANGES, UH, THE LANGUAGE TO COMPLY WITH STATEHOLDER.
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AND MR. DUNCAN HAS THE LIST.I THINK IT'S, IT'S PRETTY GOOD EXPLANATION ON THE GREEN SECTION ON, ON SECTION 6 0 2.
UM, DO AGREE WITH TJ, THE SALES.
SO ANYWAY, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, MIKE, WE LET ANSWER
I LIKE THE SAMPLE BALLOT BEING ON THE WEBSITE AND EVERYTHING.
'CAUSE I'VE BEEN CUTTING AND PASTING FOR PEOPLE IN MY WARD ALL THIS TIME AND, AND EMAILING IT OUT OR WHATEVER.
NOT THAT THE COUNTY CLERK ISN'T DOING A GOOD JOB, IT'S JUST, IT'S MUCH EASIER TO GO TO THE CITY WEBSITE.
AND JUST CLICK SOMEWHERE OBVIOUS AND BE ABLE TO GET YOUR SAMPLE BALLOT.
AND I WILL SAY ON THE PROPOSED CHANGE FOR THE SALES TAX, UH, REVENUE, UM, BUT THE 40%, I KNOW CJ AND I DISCUSSED THIS AT LENGTH AT TIMES, UH, AND THAT ADDED LANGUAGE OF USE FOR THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS AND OTHER TRAFFIC CONTROLS AND THE RECONSTRUCTION AND RELOCATION OF ROADS, I THINK THAT'S NEEDED, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE BIG CHUNK OF, I MEAN, 40% IS A BIG CHUNK OF OUR SALES TAX AND USE TAX.
SO THAT WOULD ONLY APPLY IF YOU GET SKIPPED.
OBVIOUSLY THE SPENDING IS BEHIND.
SO THAT'S WHY I SAYING DEVELOP TIME, PUT THE SCHEDULE TOGETHER.
CJ WAS TALKING ABOUT HAVING A CONTRACTOR ON SITE, SO TO SPEAK, OR AT WILL, AND THAT MAKES GOOD SENSE AND, AND MOVING FORWARD TO MAKE, THAT'S REALLY THE KEY OF MAKING THIS CHANGE IS TO ALLOW SOME MOVEMENT TO MAKE IN THE FASTEST MANNER, MANNER POSSIBLE.
I WAS GONNA SAY, IT USED TO BE A GREAT DEAL OF AMBIGUITY, MAINTENANCE, WHAT WAS NEW CONSTRUCTION.
IT SEEMED TO BE WRITTEN FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF NEW STREETS.
THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO GO BACK AND RELOCATE, REDO, RESURFACE.
AND YOU GOTTA REMEMBER WHEN THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER BACK IN, IN THE FIFTIES.
THAT'S, I DON'T THINK WE ANYTHING ELSE? WELL, AGAIN, THE, UH, PROPOSAL LANGUAGE THAT MR. DUN PUT IS IN, IN YOUR HANDOUT, SO IT'S A LITTLE, LITTLE MORE LENGTHY ON SOME OF 'EM.
SO I THINK IT'S PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY.
WHAT, WHAT THE CHARTER WOULD LOOK LIKE IF THE VOTE IS APPROVED AND THEN THE RED IS VALID, YOU PUT OUT VERY SIMPLY.
WE APPRECIATE YOU AND EVERYBODY, EVERY MEMBER OF THE CHARTER COMMITTEE.
COUNSEL, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
ANY OPPOSED? ALL MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
AGAIN, THANK YOU TO THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
UH, MOVING ON TO ITEM E, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER ONE DASH 2025 DECLARING CERTAIN ITEMS AS SURPLUS AND SALVAGE AND OR APPROVING OF THEIR DISPOSAL.
DO YOUR JOHN WANT TO, UH, THE LAST AMBULANCE THAT WE SALVAGED, WE WERE ABLE TO GIVE IT AND GIVE IT A USEFUL LIFE.
THAT BISD IS LAST ONE, UH, HAD NO TAKERS AND SO, UH, WE NEED TO DECLARE IT SALV WE AND GET IT OFF THE LOT.
SO IF YOU RECALL, WE'VE TURNED THAT PLEA OVER IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS.
AND THIS GOES TO AN AUCTION COMPANY? YES, SIR.
WHAT WE WILL DO IS WE'LL LIST IT@GOVDEALS.COM.
UH, IT'S AN ONLINE AUCTION WEBSITE FOR GOVERNMENT VEHICLES AND THAT IT'LL BE LISTED THERE FOR SALE.
WE ACTUALLY, WHAT'S THE WEBSITE? GOV DEALS.COM.
CRAZY STUFF YOU CAN FIND ON THERE.
AND ACTUALLY WE'VE HAD VERY GOOD SUCCESS.
I THINK WE'VE SOLD JOHN, WHAT, SEVEN VEHICLES IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS.
HOW MANY VEHICLES HAVE YOU SOLD IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS? THROUGH THEM? ABOUT FOUR TO FIVE, I WOULD SAY.
I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM E AND I SECOND.
UH, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
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ITEM F, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION BY THE TRAFFIC COMMISSION TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 0 0 1, ALLOWING GOLF CARTS NOW ON THIS ONE, UH, AS STATES, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF KLUT, TEXAS CONTAINING A PREAMBLE, ADDING ARTICLE NINE NINE TO SECTION ONE 10 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF SAID CITY.AND REGULATING THE USE OF MOTORIZED CARTS ON PUBLIC STREETS CONTAINING A SAVINGS CLAUSE CONTAINING A SEVERANCE CLAUSE, AND PROVIDING THAT THIS ORDINANCE SHALL TAKE EFFECT AND BE ENFORCED FROM AND AFTER ITS DESCRIPTIVE CAPTION HAS BEEN PUBLISHED TWICE IN THE BRA SUPPORT FACTS.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER CHIEF WANTS TO SPEAK OR IF MR. DUNCAN WANTS TO SPEAK, IF I CAN, YEAH, IF BOTH OF YOU GUYS CAN GIVE US A RUNDOWN, KIND OF HIT THE HIGHLIGHT AREAS MAYBE.
JUST IS IT WORKING? IS IT WORKING? UH, JUST QUICKLY.
UM, I BELIEVE ALL OF Y'ALL ATTENDED AT LEAST ONE OF THE TWO MEETINGS THAT WE HAD.
UM, WE KIND OF OPENED IT UP TO, UH, THE CITIZENRY.
WE HAD EVERYBODY FORWARD, NOBODY AGAINST, UH, FOR THIS.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT OUR CITIZENS WANT.
UM, BASICALLY THE ONLY THING THAT I KIND OF THREW OUT IS I DIDN'T WANT TO OVER, UH, GOVERN IT TO WHERE WE BECAME THE GOLF CART POLICE.
UM, AND THAT WAS KIND OF EXPLAINED THE, THE, THE HIGH POINTS ARE, UM, JUST LITTLE TWEAKS TO THE STATE LAW AND THAT FOR OUR ORDINANCE, YOU HAVE TO BE A LICENSED 18-YEAR-OLD TO DRIVE VERSUS JUST A LICENSED DRIVER.
UM, WE KICKED IT UP THE EXTRA COUPLE YEARS JUST TO KIND OF TAKE IT AWAY FROM THE TEENAGERS.
UH, THAT'S WHERE WE CAN RUN INTO SOME ISSUES.
UM, REQUIRES LIABILITY INSURANCE, UH, AS WE SPOKE DURING THE MEETINGS.
ONE OF THESE CAN RUN INTO A PARKED CAR OR A MAILBOX JUST AS EASY AS ANYTHING ELSE AT NIGHT.
IT HAS TO HAVE LIGHTS, UM, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
BUT, UH, WE DID NOT GO OVER THE TOP AS SOME OTHER CITIES HAVE TO WHERE THEY REQUIRE INSPECTIONS AND PERMITS AND ALL THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T EXPECT US TO HAVE ISSUES FROM OUR RESPONSIBLE FOLKS.
I EXPECT IT'S JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER LAW AND ORDINANCE OUT THERE.
WE'LL DEAL WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IRRESPONSIBLE, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO THESE.
JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE, CHRIS, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD.
UH, CHIEF ITCH WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, INSTRUMENTAL IN KIND OF PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.
UM, AND SO, UM, YEAH, HE, HE, UH, PUT MOST OF IT, PUT, PUT IT TOGETHER.
I JUST BASICALLY REVIEWED IT AND THEN, THEN HE ASKED ME TO ADD A FEW, UH, ADDITIONAL ITEMS. BUT, UH, UH, I THINK IT'S A, UH, COMMON SENSE, YOU KNOW, NOT TOO COMPLICATED ORDINANCE.
IT SEEMS TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE FOLKS THAT WANNA DRIVE THE GOLF CARTS WITHOUT CAUSING ANY, YOU KNOW, SAFETY ISSUES OR EXCESSIVE BURDEN ON THE, ON THE PD.
AND I, I THINK IT'S A GOOD ORDINANCE.
SO LEGALLY SPEAKING, THIS HAS EVERYTHING THAT IT NEEDS TO HAVE AND THEN, UH, FOR ALL THE CONSEQUENCES OF ANYTHING.
AND I, I WILL SAY YOU, YOU CAN, YEAH, YOU CAN COME UP.
CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION? OF COURSE.
UH, NOW THIS IS FOR THE CITY OF CITY LIMITS, CORRECT? CORRECT.
DIXIE DRIVE IS DIXIE DRIVE FROM IT DEPENDS ON WHAT PART OF DIXIE DRIVE.
SO DIXIE DRIVE FROM PLANTATION TO 3 32 FRONTAGE IS INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.
YEAH, THAT'S, I'M SORRY, YEAH.
TO GET OUT OF LAKE BEND OR WHICH RIGHT.
YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO TRAVERSE.
THAT'S THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REGULATIONS ARE.
AND HONESTLY, THE SPEED RATINGS ON THOSE ROADS WOULD PRECLUDE YOU FROM TRAVELING ON THEM ANYWAY.
SO IT'S, WE CAN'T DRIVE ON THEM BECAUSE IT'S LAKE JACKSON.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT LAKE JACKSON'S ORDINANCE READS, BUT THE SPEED LIMIT ON THAT STREET IS ABOVE 30, IS 35 OR ABOVE, WHICH WOULD PRECLUDE YOU YOUR ALLOWANCE.
SO YOU WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO DROP OFF.
SO, BUT, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THAT IS ONE LITTLE CAVEAT.
JUST THE WAY THAT KLUT IS DESIGNED, THOSE ROADWAYS ARE ACTUALLY LAKE JACKSON ROADWAYS, AND I DO NOT BELIEVE LAKE JACKSON HAS AN ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWS IT.
SO FOR, FOR Y'ALL'S NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU COULD KINDA GET TO KROGER, BUT THAT'S KIND OF ABOUT IT.
IT KIND OF, YOU'D KIND OF BE REGULATED TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD,
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UM, AT THIS POINT.YOU COULD GO ALL THE WAY AROUND.
I GUESS THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY WAY SHORE GO ALL AROUND.
WELL, NO, BECAUSE WHEN YOU COME OUT THE WOOD SHORE, THAT'S, THAT'S, OH, THAT WHOLE THING.
THAT'S ALL OYSTER CREEK DRIVE IS ALSO, YEAH.
OYSTER CREEK AND DIXIE DRIVE THE EXITS AND ENTRANCE TO WOOD SHORE.
YOU HAVE TO, THEY'RE SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T GO OUT ON OYSTER CREEK OR DIXIE DRIVE LAKE JACKSON.
AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WAVE LAKE JACKSON ALLOWS IT.
SO YOUR GOLF CART HAS TO STAY IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
I IT CAN BE A DRIVEABLE AT 3 32, NO, 35.
CAN I, I, I THINK I KNOW MY ANSWER, BUT I'M JUST READING THAT IT CAN OPERATE WHERE THE RATINGS OF LESS THAN 35 MILES PER HOUR, IT DOESN'T SAY 35 OR LESS.
IS THAT A PROBLEM? IT SAYS OF NOT THE ONE I'M READING HAS GOT OH, YOU'RE LOOKING NOT MORE.
MAYBE I'M LOOKING AT THE MEMO OF THE OH YEAH.
SO THAT IS WHAT THE ORDINANCE IS.
I WOULD THINK IT WOULD, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT WORD.
ON IT SAYS ON A HIGHWAY FOR WHICH THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT IS NOT MORE THAN 35 MILES PER HOUR.
OF COURSE, THE GOLF CART CAN ONLY HAVE A MAX SPEED OF 25.
SO, I MEAN, UNLESS YOU HAVE A DEAD WISH, IS THAT A CHALLENGE? STREET? YEAH.
NO, I MEAN, I WILL SAY, YEAH, THE MEETINGS THAT WE HAD, I THINK EVERYBODY ATTENDED ONE.
BUT YOU SAID IT'S JUST THE PEOPLE THAT SHOULDN'T BE THERE ANYWAY'S GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM.
YEAH, THEY'RE VERY WELL ATTENDED.
I MEAN, THE COMMUNITY WANTS IT.
CAN I MAKE A, THAT INCLUDED NO GOLF CART MILES AN HOUR.
WHAT DRIVE? THE MAIN IS 35 BE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
OH, WELL YOUR, YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD'S PRETTY MUCH THE ONE THAT DROVE THIS ENTIRE THING.
BUT, UH, WHAT IS THE ASPECT DRIVING GO FROM SHORE TO, UH, BUCKY'S RIDING ON THE, UH, THE SHOULDER AND EVERYTHING ABOVE? UH,
YOU KNOW, DOING THIS IS BECAUSE WE WOULD, WE WOULD END UP JUST DISSECTING THIS TO SUCH AN EXTENT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE KIND OF HIT JUST THE BASICS AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT'LL HAPPEN IS, IS WE'LL, WE'LL TRUCK ALONG AND IF WE'VE GOTTA AMEND THIS AND WE SEE SOME PROBLEMS, THEN WE'LL, YOU KNOW, WE'LL COME BACK AND LOOK AT IT.
I THINK THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES YOU TO DRIVE IN THE CAR LANE.
IT ACTUALLY DOES, DOES IT DOES SAY THAT IN THE ORDINANCE, YOU DRIVE THE CART, YOU CAN DRIVE THE GOLF CARTS ON THE ROAD, NOT ON THE SIDEWALKS OR OFF ROAD.
I THINK THE ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY SAYS YOU DRIVING THE ROAD AND YOU CAN ONLY DRIVE ONE CART IN ONE LANE.
YOU CAN'T DRIVE SIDE BY SIDE IN ONE LANE.
AND THAT KIND OF, YOU DRIVE IT LIKE IT'S A CAR.
IT'S JUST, IT SAYS MOTORIZED CARTS AND GOLF CARTS.
ALL THESE BUGGIES WITH, UH, NOSE OFF AND YOU CAN HEAR 'EM FROM ONE SIDE OF THE TOWN.
THINGS THAT, THINGS OF THAT WAY.
BUT, BUT THERE, WHERE THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS BECAUSE IT, IT, IT, THERE IS DEFINITIONS OF, THERE'S, THERE'S DEFINITIONS AS TO WHAT MEETS THOSE REQUIRED.
BECAUSE LIKE INITIALLY THERE'S LIKE A, WHAT IS IT, LIKE A 91 PAGE SLIDE THING OF ALL THE DIFFERENT KINDS.
AND SO THIS KIND OF MAKES IT DOWN TO WHERE IT'S MORE THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE GONNA ACTUALLY BUY AT THE STORE.
GOLF CARTS SIDE BY SIDES, UH, MOSTLY HAVE LIGHTS, SEAT BELTS, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
FOUR WHEELERS ARE NOT ALLOWED.
AND IF IT'S A, IF IT'S LIKE A DUNE BUGGY THAT'S THE ENGINE IS A LARGER SIZE LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THEN THAT WOULD QUALIFY.
THAT WOULD VIOLATE THE REGULATIONS FOR CARS.
'CAUSE THAT WOULD MOVE IT UP TO CARS.
THE REASON WHY I ASK THAT IS THERE'S ONE RUNS AROUND HERE AND I, I PROMISE YOU MM-HMM
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MM-HMMHANG OUT, DO THE CALL POLICE DEPARTMENT
AND YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE DO RE VULNER
THE GOAL IS TO JUST SET A STANDARD FOR THE PEOPLE THAT'S ALREADY DOING RIGHT.
AND THEN HAS SOME TEETH TO THE ONES THAT THEY'LL REFUSE TO DO.
BECAUSE THIS, IT DOES SAY GOLF CART MEANS A MOTOR VEHICLE DESIGNED AND MANUFACTURE, OR BY THE MANUFACTURER PRIMARILY, PRIMARILY FOR USE ON A GOLF COURSE AND A MAX SPEED OF 25 MILES PER HOUR.
AND THE MOTORIZED CART SAYS MEANS GOLF CARTS.
IT LITERALLY SAYS MOTOR MOTORIZED CART MEANS GOLF CARTS, RECREATIONAL OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLES AND UTILITY VEHICLES AS HEREIN DEFINED.
AND THAT'S DIFFERENCE SUPPOSEDLY BETWEEN THE UTV AND THE A TV.
WELL, THEY DEFINITELY ON HURT OUR ROAD, SO I JUST HOPE THE PUNISHMENT FOR DRIVING THEM WITHOUT INSURANCE IS BETTER THAN THE ONE DRIVING A CAR WITHOUT INSURANCE.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT, 90% OF THE PEOPLE ON THE ROAD NOWADAYS DON'T EVEN HAVE ANY CHANCE.
SO DO SOME, DO SOME GOLF CARTS GO OVER THE 25? DO SOME GOLF CARTS GO 35? UH OH MAN.
SOME OF THESE CARTS THAT QUALIFY UNDER THIS ORDINANCE MAY GO MORE THAN 25, MAY GO 55, BUT THEY, THEY CAN'T DRIVE MORE THAN 35 MILES AN HOUR UNDER THIS.
THE GOLF CART DEFINITION SAID SOMETHING ABOUT MAXIMUM SPEED OF 25.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I SAID ON THE, THE UTILITY VEHICLE BELOW THAT.
MOST GOLF CART DON'T GO THAT HIGH.
I LIKE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
WE ACCEPT THIS ORDINANCE AS WR I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE ORDINANCE.
UH, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? ALL MOTION NUMBER OR ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 0 0 1 AS APPROVED.
MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY PARTY IN COLLEGE PARTS AND DIE.
EVERYBODY SHOW WHAT? YOUR GOLF CARD.
DON'T THEY GOT 'EM TOO? WE ALREADY WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO IT BECAUSE I'M PRETTY SURE WE COULD GET A, THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
JUST, JUST SO, JUST SO THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT THE ORDINANCE GOES AS ACTUALLY IN EFFECT AFTER IT'S BEEN PUBLISHED TWICE IN THE PAPER.
OH, SO JUST, JUST ARE WE ALLOWED TO DO WHEELIES IS WHAT I WANT TO KNOW.
I'M PRETTY SURE WE COULD GET A, A BADGE THAT SAYS GOLF CART POLICE.
THE CHIEF SAYS YOU CAN WEAR IT.
CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 0 0 2 AUTHORIZING A LOCAL YOUTH DIVERSION ADMINISTRATION FEE AND AMENDING OTHER COURT FEES.
SO BASICALLY THIS IS A COMPANION TO THE, UH, ORDINANCE THAT Y'ALL PASSED LAST MONTH TO ESTABLISH THE, UH, YOUTH DIVERSION PROGRAM.
UH, SO UNDER CHAPTER 38, UM, OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES REGARDING COURTS, UH, THERE'S A COUPLE OF CHANGES.
FIRST, THERE'S AN ADDITION THAT ALLOWS, UH, THE COURT TO CHARGE A $50 ADMINISTRATIVE FEE FOR EACH, UH, JUVENILE THAT PARTICIPATES IN THE YOUTH DIVERSION UM, PROGRAM.
AND THAT'S SET FORTH BY STATE LAW.
AND THE, SO THIS 38 SECTION, 38 DASH 51 JUST, UH, TRACKS EXACTLY THE, UH, STATE LAW REQUIREMENT.
UM, IN ADDITION, WE HAVE A MUNICIPAL CHILD SAFETY FUND.
IT'S ALREADY, WE'VE HAD IN PLACE, UH, AND, AND THESE FUNDS ARE, UH, WE GET MONEY IN THOSE FUNDS FROM COURT COSTS, FROM SPECIFIC TYPES OF OFFENSES.
UH, AND SO I'VE AMENDED THAT ORDINANCE TO MATCH STATE LAW THAT BASICALLY SAYS THAT THOSE FUNDS CAN BE USED FOR A CROSSING GUARD PROGRAM OR TO BE APPLIED FOR THE, UH, YOUTH DIVERSION FUND, UM, PROGRAM.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY, WHEN IT WAS IN THAT SECTION, I NOTICED THAT THERE'S, WE HAD A ORDINANCE, I THINK IT WAS PASSED IN 1976 THAT SAID THAT THE, UH, DISMISSAL FEE IF, UH, CASES ARE DISMISSED, THAT THERE'D BE A DIS DISMISSAL FEE OF $10.
UM, STATE LAW HAS CHANGED AND SOME, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF YOU, UH, HAVE EXPIRED REGISTRATION AND THEN YOU GO GET IT FIXED AND BRING IT, THEN IT THEN, UH, WITH, UH, DISMISS THE CASE, BUT CHARGE A DISMISSAL FEE.
THERE ARE CERTAIN TYPES OF, UH, UH, CHARGES WHERE YOU CHARGE A DISMISSAL FEE FOR DISMISSAL.
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AND, UH, NOW THERE'S A, A MIXTURE.SOME OF THEM ARE $10 AND SOME OF THEM ARE $20.
AND SO I, I INCREASE THE MAXIMUM TO $20.
UM, STATE LAW HAS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, IT DEPENDS ON THE OFFENSE AND THERE'S A BIG LIST.
SO, UH, BY CHANGING THAT, WE WON'T BE LIMITED TO THE $10 DISMISSAL FEE.
FOR THOSE CASES THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO CHARGE 20, WE'LL CHARGE $20.
AND SO THAT'S, UH, WHAT WE HAVE IN THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE.
ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH 0 0 2.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR A.
[V. CLOSED EXECUTIVE SESSION]
ON.UH, ITEM FIVE OF THE AGENDA IS A CLOSED EXECUTIVE SESSION.
UH, ITEM A IS CLOSED EXECUTIVE SESSION AS AUTHORIZED BY THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, SECTION 5 5 1 0.074.
GOVERNMENT CODE PERSONNEL MATTERS DELIBERATIONS CONCERNING THE APPOINTMENT, EMPLOYMENT EVALUATION, REASSIGNMENT DUTIES, DISCIPLINE, OR DISMISSAL OF A PUBLIC OFFICER OR EMPLOYEE, OR HEAR A COMPLAINT OR CHARGE AGAINST AN OFFICER OR EMPLOYEE.
COUNSEL WILL NOW GO INTO CLUB SESSION.
WHERE ARE WE GOING? UH, LEMME GO TO MY OFFICE.
YOU ALL RIGHT? CAN I ASK FOR, CAN I GET A MOTION TO SO MOVED.
MOVE BACK INTO REGULAR SESSION.
I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL PERSON V.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I WILL SECOND.
I HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCIL PERSON.
MADDOX, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
UH, SECOND ITEM UNDER A CLOSED EXECUTIVE SESSION IS ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.
UH, NO ACTION TAKE, UH, WILL BE TAKEN AT THIS TIME.
[VI. NOTICE/ANNOUNCEMENT OF UPCOMING EVENTS AND MEETINGS]
WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO NOTICE AND ANNOUNCEMENTS OF UPCOMING EVENTS AND MEETINGS.UH, MARTIN LUTHER KING HOLIDAY, JAN, UH, MONDAY, JANUARY 20TH, 2025.
THURSDAY, JANUARY 23RD, 2025 AT 7:00 PM CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 13TH, 2025 AT 7:00 PM AND CITY COUNCIL MEETING THIR, UH, THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 27TH, 2025 AT 7:00 PM MOVING ON TO ADJOURNMENT.