* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. WOW. [00:00:01] NO, NOT MAN UNTIL 25 [I. COMMENCEMENT] NOTICES HEREBY GIVEN OF A COUNCIL MEETING TO BE HELD ON THURSDAY, APRIL 24TH, 2025 AT 7:00 PM IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS OF CL CITY HALL, LOCATED AT 1 0 8 MAIN STREET, CL, TEXAS 7 7 5 3 1. FOR THE BELOW LISTED ITEMS, CITY COUNCIL RESERVES THE RIGHT TO ADJOURN IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AT ANY TIME DURING THE COURSE OF THIS MEETING TO DISCUSS ANY MATTERS LISTED ON THE AGENDA AS AUTHORIZED BY THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, SECTIONS 5 5 1 0.071. CONSULTATION WITH AN ATTORNEY. 5 5 1 0.072 DELIBERATION ABOUT REAL PROPERTY. 5 5 1 0 7 3. DELIBERATION ABOUT GIFTS AND DONATIONS. 5 5 1 0 7 4 PERSONNEL MATTERS. 5 5 1 0 7 6. DELIBERATION ABOUT SECURITY DEVICES 5 5 1 0 8 7. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT 4 8 7 5 0.183 DELIBERATIONS ABOUT HOMELAND SECURITY ISSUES AND IS AUTHORIZED BY THE TEXAS TAX CODE. INCLUDED BUT NOT LIMITED TO SECTION 3 2 1 0.3022 SALES TAX INFORMATION. THE AGENDA MEETING PACKAGE AND VIDEO LINK ARE POSTED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE@WWW.CLUTEXAS.GOV. TO ADDRESS COUNCIL DURING PUBLIC COMMENTS, A GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT FORM MUST BE COMPLETED AND PRESENTED TO THE CITY CLERK BEFORE THE START OF THE COUNCIL MEETING. SPEAKERS MUST OBSERVE THE FIVE MINUTE TIME LIMIT. A RECORDING OF THE VIDEO MEETING WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST OF THE PUBLIC IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT. THE MEETING HAS NOW BEEN CALLED TO ORDER. MR. BOND. WOULD YOU CARE TO BLESS US? DARREN MCC. WE THANK YOU FOR ANOTHER DAY. WE THANK YOU FOR ALL PROVIDE FOR OUR FAMILIES AND OUR COMMUNITY. WE JUST ASK THAT YOU, UH, JUST BE WITH US AND WE, UH, GO FORWARD, YOU KNOW, DO THE, THE TIMES YOU A LOT OF POLITICS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. AND WE JUST, WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THE IMPORTANT TRYING HELP PEOPLE NEED HELP AND HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO GO VOTE THAT'S GOING ON NOW. WE JUST MAKE THAT, THAT DOWN THERE. DO WHAT WE CAN DO. WE JUST NEED, OR WE JUST ASK THAT YOU LISTEN TO WHAT PEOPLE NEED AND WILLING TO LIFT HANDS UP OR WE JUST, UH, ASK YOU TAKE CARE OF LORD. WE ASK THAT YOU, UH, BLESS THE PLEDGE. PLEASE PLEDGE TO THE FLAG IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. I HAVE ROLL CALL MEMBERS. CALVIN SHIP. PRESENT. JEFF CHRIS PRESENT. ERIC AGUILAR. PRESENT. NICOLE MADDOX PRESENT. JOE LOPEZ PRESENT, FRANCIS VAUGHN PRESENT. [II. CITIZENS/VISITORS COMMENTS] NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS SCISSOR VISITOR COMMENTS. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITIZENS VISITORS TO SPEAK TO COUNCIL RELATED TO NON-AG AGENDA ITEMS. SPEAKERS ARE RE ADVISED THAT COMMENTS CANNOT BE RECEIVED ON MATTERS, WHICH ARE THE SUBJECT OF A PUBLIC HEARING. ONCE THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN CLOSED. SPEAKERS ARE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT FORM IN ADVANCE PRIOR TO THE MEETING AND MUST LIMIT THEIR PRESENTATIONS TO FIVE MINUTES EACH. WE HAVE A REQUEST TONIGHT FROM, UH, MR. CHRIS BROWN. UH, YEAH, ALL I WANT TO DISCUSS IS, UH, I JUST HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT PROPERTY BEING FOR HOMES TO BE BUILT OVER BY BARBER DRIVE AND, AND I, MY CONCERN IS THE DRAINAGE. I'M GONNA BE BACK. I'M GONNA GET ON THE AGENDA 'CAUSE I'VE HAD ISSUES AND I'M GONNA COME ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT IT, BUT I WANT Y'ALL TO CONSIDER THE DRAINAGE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA BE BRINGING BACK WHEN I COME BACK. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY. THANK, THANK YOU, SIR. YOU THANK YOU, . [III. CONSENT AGENDA] AND THE NEXT ITEM WOULD BE THE CONSENT AGENDA [00:05:02] AND ITEMS LISTED. ANOTHER CONSENT AGENDA, OR CONSIDERED ROUTINE AND GENERALLY ENACTED IN ONE MOTION EXCEPT TO THIS RULE IS THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY REQUEST ONE OR MORE ITEMS BE REMOVED. THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR SEPARATE ACTION. TONIGHT'S AGENDA CONSISTS OF THE MINUTES FROM COUNCIL MEETING APRIL 10TH, 2025 AT 7:00 PM HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. SO MOVED. MOVE BY COUNCILMAN CHRIS. I'LL SECOND BY. COUNCILMAN AGUILAR. ANY DISCUSSION? ANY ITEMS NEED TO BE REMOVED? HEARING NONE. I ENTERTAIN A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR A AYE. UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. [IV. BUSINESS ITEMS] THEN THE NEXT ITEM ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA WOULD BE A PROCLAMATION DESIGNATING THE NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER, AND IT WOULD BE CITY OF PLU PROCLAMATION. WHEREAS IN 1952, CONGRESS PASSED A BILL ESTABLISHING A NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER WHERE WE HAVE CONTINUED THE GREAT TRADITION ESTABLISHED FOR AMERICAS TO PRAY AND MEDIATE AT CHURCHES AND GROUPS AND AS INDIVIDUALS. AND WHEREAS THE POWER OF PRAYER HAS UNITED THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ON OUR DARKEST DAYS AND HELP MAKE SOME OF OUR BRIGHTEST DAYS POSSIBLE. AND WHEREAS THIS YEAR OUR PRAYERS WILL FOCUS ON THE THEME, POUR OUT TO THE GOD OF HOPE AND BE FILLED. THE NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER CELEBRATION, CELEBRATION REMINDS US OF FAITH PROMINENT PLACE IN OUR NATION'S FOUNDING. AND WHEREAS WE PRAY FOR THE WORLD, WORLD LEADERS, AMERICA, THE CHURCH, FAMILY EDUCATION, US MILITARY, WORKPLACE, GOVERNMENT, ARTS, ENTERTAINMENT AND MEDIA. AND FOR THE PROTECTION OF ALL THE COMMUNITIES WITHIN OUR NATION, OUR EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICE WORKERS, LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, AND ALL THE HEROES THAT PLAY A VITAL ROLE ON DAY-TO-DAY TASK. NOW THEREFORE, OUR CABBAGE SHIFFLET BEER OF THE CITY OF KLU, TEXAS CALLED UPON ALL THE SCISSORS OF CL TO OBSERVE AND HONOR MAY 1ST, 2025 AS NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER. THE WITNESS WHEREOF HEARING TWO SET MY HAND AND CAUSE THE SEAL OF THE CITY OF CL TO BE AFFIXED IS 24TH DAY OF APRIL, 2025 WILL BE SIGNED BY MYSELF AND TO TESTIFY BY ROSIE PO AT CITY CLERK. THEN THE NEXT ITEM WOULD BE A PRO PROCLAMATION FOR NATIONAL FALL. FIREFIGHTER MEMORIAL WEEKEND MAY 3RD THROUGH THE FOURTH 2025 AND INTERNATIONAL FIREFIGHTERS DAY MAY 4TH AND IT WOULD BE CITY OF KLU PROCLAMATION. WHEREAS UNITED STATES CONGRESS AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES HAD DESIGNATED THE DAY OF THE ANNUAL NATIONAL FALL FIREFIGHTERS MEMORIAL SERVICE AS A DAY TO HONOR FIREFIGHTERS AND EMERGENCY SERVICES PERSONNEL WHO HAVE SACRIFICED THEIR LIVES TO SAVE OTHERS BY LOWERING THE AMERICAN FLAG ON ALL FEDERAL BUILDINGS TO HAVE STAFF. WHEREAS AN AVERAGE OF 80 FIREFIGHTERS COURAGEOUSLY MAKE THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE OF THE LINE OF DUTY EACH YEAR. AND WHEREAS FIREFIGHTERS AND EMERGENCY SERVICE PERSONNEL PLAY AN ESSENTIAL ROLE IN THE PROTECTIONS OF LIVES AND PROPERTY IN OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY. AND WHEREAS THE NATIONAL FOLLOWING FIREFIGHTER MEMORIAL WEEKEND MARCH THE WEEK IN FOLLOWING THE INTERNATIONAL FIREFIGHTER DAY 2025. AND IT'S, AND WHEREAS IT IS OF MAJOR IMPORTANCE THAT WE INCREASE OUR EFFORTS TO REDUCE DEATHS, INJURIES AND PROPERTY LAWS FROM FIRE. NOW THEREFORE, OUR CAL SHIP MAYOR, THE CITY UDE, TEXAS, CALLED UPON THE CITIZENS OF CL TO OBSERVE AND HONOR MAY 4TH, 2025 AS INTERNATIONAL FIREFIGHTER'S DAY AND MAY 3RD THROUGH THE FOURTH 2025 AS NATIONAL FALL ON THE FIREFIGHTER'S WEEKEND. YOU WITNESS AWARE OF HERE I TWO SET MY HAND AND CALL THE SEAL OF CITY OF CL TO BE AFFIXED THE 24TH DAY OF APRIL, 2025, SIGNED BY MYSELF AND ATTESTED BY ROSIE PO AT CITY CLERK. AND I WAS INFORMED THAT OUR FIRE CHIEF WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A MOMENT TO SPEAK ON THIS SUBJECT. YOU KNOW, IT'S A SAD POINT AND EVERYTHING, EVEN LOSING ONE FIREFIGHTER AND EVERYTHING A YEAR AND STUFF ON ONTO THERE. BUT AS FAR AS THANKING EVERYTHING, THE CITY AND EVERYTHING RECOGNIZING AND EVERYTHING AS FAR AS FALLING FIREFIGHTERS THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES AND AS FAR AS NATIONWIDE, FORTUNATELY, I MEAN, IT, IT'S A SAD STORY, BUT I MEAN IT'S, WE DID REDUCE AND EVERYTHING FOR 2024. WE ONLY HAD 64 DEBTS. THAT'S 64. TOO MANY AND EVERYTHING AS FAR AS ONTO THERE, THESE, THESE ARE LINE OF DUTY DEBTS ONTO IT. AND AS FAR AS IN TEXAS AND EVERYTHING CONTRIBUTED AND EVERYTHING TO THAT NUMBER. I JUST WANT THE, UH, COUNCIL AND THE, UH, CITIZENS AND EVERYTHING TO KNOW WE'VE HAD FIREFIGHTERS IN EVERYTHING [00:10:01] THAT GAVE THE UTMOST NEH HANG TO THEIR CITIZENS AND NEVER HANG AS FAR AS HAVING NO, UH, COUPLE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE WALLS OVER THERE IN AUSTIN OF THE MEMORIAL, MEMORIAL OF FIREFIGHTING WE HAD IN THE, UH, SEVENTIES, UH, EARLY SEVENTIES, WE HAD A JIMMY CARTER THAT PASSED AWAY ALONG WITH A JUNIOR FIREFIGHTER AS FAR AS ON ROUTE TO A TREE FIRE, TREE HOUSE FIRE, YOU KNOW, HANGING, THEY GOT BROADSIDED RIGHT THERE AT FOREST IN THE, UH, MAIN AND, UH, SH STRATTON RIDGE INTERSECTION RIGHT IN THAT AREA. AND THEY FELL OUT OF THE VEHICLES AND STUFF UP THERE. THAT'S TWO UNFORTUNATE DEATHS IN OHIO AS FAR AS THEY GAVE THE UTMOST TO THE CITIZENS. AND THEN IN THE EARLY PART OF THE TWENTIES, WE HAD ANOTHER FIREFIGHTER, A MIKEY DUNN THAT PASSED AWAY WITH FROM A HEART ATTACK ON A FIRE CAUSE AND EVERYTHING FROM THE FIRE PROVIDING HELP TO OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES AND EVERYTHING IN FREEPORT, THAT THAT WAS TOO MUCH AND EVERYTHING AS FAR AS ONTO IT. SO JUST TO KNOW , THAT WE HAVE HAD COURAGEOUS PERSONNEL IN EVERYTHING WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT GIVEN THE UTMOST TO THE CITIZENS IN ANG OF NOT ONLY TO OUR CITY, TO THE ROUND, SURROUNDING CITIES, AMONG THE COUNTY. AND SO WE APPRECIATE ANG AS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND AS FAR AS FELLOW FIREFIGHTERS AND, UH, CIVILIANS OF THE, UH, COMMUNITY AS FAR AS EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING THAT DOES THE MOST SACRIFICE ONTO IT. AND THEY'LL BE CELEBRATING THESE NAMES AGAIN AS FAR AS ON THESE DATES OVER THERE AT THE MEMORIAL IN AUSTIN AND EVERYTHING THAT WEEKEND. SO JUST WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW AND EVERYTHING ONE TOO MANY. AND AS FAR AS, AS FAR AS ANYONE IN EVERYTHING, PROFESSIONAL OR VOLUNTEER AND EVERYTHING, BECAUSE WE'RE ALL PROFESSIONALS AS FAR AS, THAT'S THE WAY I CONSIDER IT. GIVE THE UTMOST TO THE CITIZENS AND EVER HANG OF CLUE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CHIEF. THANK YOU CHIEF. ALRIGHT THEN THE NEXT ITEM ON THE NINTH'S AGENDA IS A FACILITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT REPORT BY PRESTON SCOTT WITH RANDALL SCOTT ARCHITECTS INC. . GOOD EVENING COUNSEL. MY NAME IS PRESTON SCOTT AND I'M WITH RANDALL SCOTT ARCHITECTS, AND I'M GONNA SHARE WITH YOU TONIGHT A STUDY THAT WE HAVE BEEN UNDERGOING FOR THE PAST YEAR TO, UM, LOOK AT IT FROM A GRANULAR STANDPOINT, UM, WHAT THE POLICE AND PUBLIC WORKS FACILITIES MIGHT LOOK LIKE, WHAT THEY MIGHT NEED, AND WHAT THOSE ARE BASED ON. SO, UH, BUT BEFORE I DIVE INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT, UH, JUST FOR A MOMENT ABOUT ME, OUR FIRM SPECIALIZES IN MUNICIPAL, MUNICIPAL FACILITIES. THIS IS WHAT WE DO. WE DO IT ALL OVER THE STATE OF TEXAS. IN FACT, I'M A SECOND GENERATION MUNICIPAL ARCHITECT. SO MY DAD, RANDALL SCOTT DID THIS FOR 40 YEARS. HE STILL PRACTICES WITH US. AND SO I HAVE SEEN THE TRENDS DECADE AFTER DECADE FROM THE DINNER TABLE UP, AND I'VE SEEN IT FOR A COUPLE DECADES. SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THAT, WHAT THOSE TRENDS ARE AND WHAT THE, UH, DATA BEHIND IT LOOKS LIKE. GO INTO FULL SCREEN MODE HERE. OKAY, SO FIRST, UH, WE'RE GONNA RUN THROUGH PROJECT BACKGROUND, THE PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH, UH, WHAT THE PLANNING AND VISION WAS, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA GET INTO THE, UH, FUN TOPICS LIKE COST. WHAT DOES IT COST? OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A, A REALLY IMPORTANT ONE. AND WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS AND WHAT IS THE SCHEDULE. UM, PROJECTS LIKE THIS ARE, THEY'RE NOT A, A SIMPLE PROCESS TO ACTUALLY MOVE INTO DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF THESE. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO ASK THEM DURING THE PRESENTATION. AFTER THE PRESENTATION. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT WONDER ABOUT, BUT JUST DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO. FEEL FREE TO JUST THROW 'EM AT ME AND I'LL, I'LL, UH, TRY TO ANSWER THEM AS BEST I CAN. PROJECT BACKGROUND, I'M NOT GONNA SPEND A TON OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THE EXISTING FACILITIES. I THINK, UH, THE CONDITIONS OF THOSE ARE, ARE PRETTY WELL KNOWN. THE STUDY WAS NOT FOCUSED ON WHAT IS THE CONDITION OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS. THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A LOOK AT THAT, BUT IT WAS REALLY MORE ABOUT WHAT DO THESE DEPARTMENTS NEED? WHAT IS A, UH, BEST PRACTICE BASED ON PEER ANALYSIS OF OTHER CITIES THAT ARE OF SIMILAR SIZE AND OF SIMILAR TRAJECTORY. BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU A QUICK SNAPSHOT IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T WALKED THROUGH THESE FACILITIES. UM, I'LL TOUCH ON A FEW HIGHLIGHTS HERE. [00:15:01] LOW LIGHTS, I SHOULD SAY, UH, THE EXISTING POLICE FACILITY OVER NEXT DOOR, NO SPACE LEFT TO GROW. UM, I WAS JUST WALKING THROUGH THERE AND SAW A DETECTIVE'S OFFICE IN WHAT USED TO BE A, UH, BROOM CLOSET OR A STORAGE CLOSET. UH, SO THEY HAVE DONE A LOT WITH, WITH A LITTLE, AND THAT'S, THAT'S VERY ADMIRABLE AND COMMENDABLE. UM, THERE COMES A POINT WHEN YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT DO WE DO NEXT, RIGHT? THE, THE BANDAID SOLUTION WILL START TO RUN ITS COURSE. AND I THINK THAT'S HOPEFULLY WHAT THIS FACILITY ASSESSMENT WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH A ROADMAP TO, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD DESIRE. SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS, UH, ANIMAL CONTROL, UH, NOW SHARES IN AN OVERCROWDED PATROL SPACE, UH, THE, THE ADJACENCIES ARE REALLY WHAT JUMP OUT WHEN YOU WALK THROUGH THAT. YOU'LL HAVE, UH, PEOPLE THAT, OR STAFF THAT REALLY NEED TO BE NEXT TO ONE ANOTHER NEED TO HAVE SOME OPTIMAL WORKFLOW THAT SHARES IN THEIR OTHER CORNERS OF THE BUILDING WHERE THEY'RE GOING UP TO THE FRONT TO GET SOMETHING OR MEET WITH PUBLIC AND THEY HAVE TO GO BACK TO A STORAGE ROOM AND BACK TO THE FRONT. SO THE ADJACENCIES, I THINK, ARE SOMETHING THAT, UM, ARE AN ISSUE THERE THAT THERE'S NO TRAINING ROOM IN THAT BUILDING. AND SO, UH, IF THERE ARE MEETINGS, UH, CHIEF IS KIND ENOUGH TO LEAVE HIS OFFICE AND LET HIS OFFICE BE USED AS A MEETING ROOM. IT'S THE ONLY SPACE THAT HAS, UH, ENOUGH CHAIRS TO HOLD A MEETING LIKE THAT IN THAT ON PREMISE, IN THAT, UH, PD, UM, THE BUILDING SYSTEMS, UH, THE ROOF, THE MECHANICAL SYSTEMS, THEY STRUGGLE TO MEET THE OPERATIONAL AND, UH, DEPARTMENTAL NEEDS. AND THERE'S NO HARDENED EOC IN THE FACILITY. UH, AND THEN JUST LOOKING AT IT, THE RENOVATION EXPANSION'S NOT REALLY SOMETHING THAT, UH, SEEMS PLAUSIBLE. IT, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD EVEN MEET YOUR CURRENT NEEDS MUCH LESS HELP YOU PLAN FOR THE FUTURE, BUT I DON'T THINK I'M TELLING YOU ANYTHING YOU DON'T ALREADY KNOW. SO I JUST WANTED TO, IN CASE YOU DIDN'T HAVE A BASELINE OF WHY WE WENT INTO LOOKING AT A NEW FACILITY, THESE WERE THE REASONS WHY WE LOOKED AT A NEW FACILITY. PUBLIC WORKS SHARES, UH, SEVERAL SIMILARITIES. THE FACILITY'S TOO SMALL, THEY HAVE IT MORE FROM AN EQUIPMENT STANDPOINT AND MATERIALS AND DAILY ACTIVITIES. THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT HAPPENS ON THAT SITE. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SITE SPACE, UH, TO DO IT IN THE OVERCROWDED. PARKING CREATES SAFETY HAZARDS WHEN YOU HAVE, UH, HEAVY EQUIPMENT MOVING AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE KIND OF WALKING AROUND OR TRYING TO PARK THEIR PERSONAL CARS. OFFICE SPACE IS, IS VERY, VERY SMALL FOR THE NUMBER OF STAFF. UM, IF YOU GO THERE DURING A MEETING, YOU'LL OFTEN HAVE TO STAND AT STANDING ROOM ONLY, UH, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE LIKE A CONSTRUCTION OR A PRE-BID MEETING AND THEN EMPLOYEE PARKING OVERFLOWS INTO THE CHURCH PARKING LOT, WHICH THEY'RE GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO, UM, ALLOW. AND THEN THE LIMITED FLOW OF TRAFFIC, UH, WHEN SCORE RELEASES, JUST CREATE, IT JUST MAKES IT MORE, UH, OF A CHALLENGE. AND THEN YOU'RE ALREADY STORING MATERIALS AT TWO OFFSITE LOCATIONS. SO YOUR INEFFICIENCIES OF HAVING TO GO GET MATERIALS AND THEY'RE NOT AT A PLACE WHERE THE OBSERVATION IS AT THE SITE WHERE IT'S BEING MANAGED. THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE CHALLENGES. SO AGAIN, JUST BACKGROUND AS TO WHY WE WERE LOOKING AT NEW FACILITIES. SO WHEN WE STARTED THIS, UH, WE STARTED BY LOOKING AT, OKAY, WHAT LAND OPPORTUNITIES DOES THE CITY HAVE? 'CAUSE IF YOU HAVE TO GO BUY LAND, THE PRICE GOES UP A LOT. OBVIOUSLY LAND IS VERY EXPENSIVE. SO WE LOOK LONG AND HARD ABOUT WHAT DO WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO USE, WHAT, UH, IS IN YOUR INVENTORY THAT WE COULD LEVERAGE THE SITE THAT WE ENDED UP DOING THE STUDY AROUND. THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT HAS TO BE THE SITE IF YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT OR SOME PART OF THIS PROJECT, BUT THE SITE THAT SEEMED TO FIT THE BEST WAS THIS 7.34 ACRE SITE ON COMMERCE STREET. IT IS CURRENTLY A SOCCER FIELD, OR IT WAS AT ONE POINT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S STILL ACTIVELY USED AS A SOCCER FIELD, UH, BUT YOU CAN SEE IT PICTURED THERE AS AN IMAGE. AND AT ONE POINT IT WAS, UH, EARLY IN THE DISCUSSIONS, UH, WE THOUGHT IT WAS EARMARKED FOR PUBLIC WORKS. AND WHEN WE STARTED TO LOOK AT IT, WE WERE LIKE, HONESTLY, THAT MIGHT BE ENOUGH ROOM TO HAVE PUBLIC WORKS AND POLICE THERE AGAIN, TRYING TO MAXIMIZE INVENTORY THAT THE CITY HAS TO, TO, UM, IMPROVE FACILITIES FOR TWO DEPARTMENTS. SO WE APPROACHED IT WITH THAT, WITH THAT, UH, MINDSET OF LET'S, LET'S SEE IF IT ACTUALLY WORKS WITH BOTH. AND THE MORE WE STUDIED IT, THE MORE IT ACTUALLY MADE A LOT OF SENSE TO HAVE BOTH OF THEM THERE. THEY SHARED, UH, A COST EFFICIENT THINKING AND MINDSET AS WE WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS OF HOW CAN WE CREATE SYNERGIES, SHARED SPACE. UH, THEY BOTH HAVE SOME SIMILARITIES AS FAR AS SITE GOES. THEY NEED SECURE PERIMETER FENCING. UH, YOU CAN'T HAVE STUFF WALKING OFF THAT'S MULTIMILLION DOLLAR EQUIPMENT. YOU NEED TO PROTECT, UM, PERSONNEL THAT ARE GETTING OUT OF THEIR PERSONAL VEHICLES FOR POLICE AND INTO THEIR, UM, INTO THEIR DUTY VEHICLES. AND, UM, YEAH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE BACKGROUND OF HOW WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE SPECIFIC SITE WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT. THERE WERE THREE, UH, PILLARS THAT WE WERE REALLY LOOKING AT AS WE WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS. ONE WAS PLANNING FOR GROWTH. THERE'S OFTEN A MISCONCEPTION THAT, UM, PROVIDING WHAT YOU NEED TODAY [00:20:01] IS THE SAME AS PROVIDING FOR THE FUTURE. THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. A LOT OF TIMES WE'LL LOOK AT THINGS AND LIKE, OH, WELL THAT SHOULD GET US INTO FUTURE, BUT REALLY THAT'S CATCHING YOU UP TO WHERE YOUR, YOUR PEER FACILITIES ARE CURRENTLY. SO WE WANTED TO NOT ONLY, UH, LOOK AT WHAT WOULD BE NECESSARY FOR TODAY, BUT ALSO WHAT WOULD BE, UH, IN YOUR FUTURE FIVE, 10 AND 15 YEARS OUT SO THAT YOU'RE NOT DOING THIS. I'VE WORKED WITH CITIES THAT BUILT SOMETHING AND BY THE TIME THEY BUILT IT, THEY WERE LIKE, WELL, WE NEED TO START DESIGNING THE NEXT ONE BECAUSE IT WASN'T ENOUGH. OBVIOUSLY, MONEY IS THE LIMITING RESOURCE THERE AND WE HAVE TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THAT. UM, OPTIMIZING THE CITY ASSETS, AGAIN, LOOKING AT A SHARED CAMPUS, HOW CAN WE, UH, DO A LOT WITH A LITTLE? AND THE, THE PIECE THAT IS MAYBE LESS KNOWN IS THAT IF YOU SAID, HEY, LET'S DO THIS TODAY. THESE FACILITIES THAT THEY'RE IN HAVE TO CONTINUE OPERATING FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS. THAT'S HOW LONG IT TAKES TO DESIGN AND BUILD THESE FACILITIES. AND SO YOU'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT TWO AND A HALF YEARS MORE OF LIFE OUT OF THE TWO FACILITIES BEFORE THEY WOULD MOVE IN. AND THAT'S IF WE STARTED TODAY, SPEED TO MARKET. WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT CONSTRUCTION COST AS WE GET INTO THIS FURTHER, BUT, UM, I WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW I GREW UP AT THE DINNER TABLE, LEARNING ABOUT MUNICIPAL FACILITIES. WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT IT AND THEY DOUBLE EVERY 10 YEARS. I'LL SHOW YOU SOME CASE STUDIES OF THAT, BUT 10 YEAR MEANS YOU'RE TWO X WHAT YOU WERE PROCESS. SO THIS IS JUST A SNAPSHOT OF WHAT WE WENT THROUGH. I WON'T GO THROUGH EVERY STEP IN DETAIL WITH YOU, BUT WE START WITH WHAT IS THE OVERARCHING VISION? DO YOU HAVE ANY PREVIOUS ASSESSMENTS AND STUDIES AND, UM, DATA THAT WE CAN LEVERAGE AND USE? AND THEN WE START HAVING DEPARTMENTAL CONVERSATIONS WITH DEPARTMENT HEADS, UH, BECAUSE NO ONE KNOWS THEIR DEPARTMENT AND THE GROWTH PROJECTIONS BETTER THAN PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY DO THAT EVERY DAY AND KNOW WHAT THE COUNCIL'S VISION AND THEY WORK WITH CITY STAFF. SO WE REALLY HARVEST THAT INFORMATION, PULL IT OUT OF THEM, AND, UH, HELP THAT INFORM THE PROCESS THAT WE GO THROUGH. WE THEN GO INTO, UH, CREATING SPACE STANDARDS TO MAKE SURE THERE'S PARODY ACROSS THE DEPARTMENTS. AND THAT FEEDS INTO, UM, A PROGRAM OF REQUIREMENTS THAT I'LL TALK ABOUT IN A SECOND AND SITE OPTIONS. AND, UM, AS THIS, IF THIS CONTINUES, THERE WOULD BE THINGS LIKE EXTERIOR DESIGN OPTIONS WHERE WE START SAYING, WELL, WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE? AND TO GETTING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND GETTING FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY ON THAT. AND THEN IT GETS INTO THE TECHNICAL DRAWINGS WHERE WE ACTUALLY CREATE WHAT YOU MIGHT CALL THE BLUEPRINTS FOR THE BUILDING. THE DEPARTMENTAL QUESTIONNAIRES. UH, THIS IS JUST A SNAPSHOT OF WHAT THEY, UH, LOOKED LIKE ON THE FIRST PAGE, BUT IT STARTS TO PULL OUT THIS INFORMATION FROM OUR WORK ALL ACROSS TEXAS THAT WE'VE SEEN DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS NEEDING DIFFERENT, UM, DIFFERENT SPACES WITHIN THEIR PD OR PUBLIC WORKS. FROM THERE, WE MOVED INTO 5 10, 5 10 AND 15 YEAR PROJECTIONS. SO THIS IS WHERE SPACE BY SPACE WE GO, OKAY, IF YOU HAVE FIVE SERGEANTS NOW, HOW MANY ARE YOU GONNA NEED IN FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS, IN 15 YEARS? ALL THAT FEEDS INTO THIS FINAL PROGRAM. THE PROGRAM IS WHAT I SOMETIMES CALL THE RECIPE CARD. THIS IS SPACE BY SPACE, EVERYTHING THAT IS IN THE PROPOSED DESIGN. SO IF ANY, ANY OF YOU OR ANY OF THE PUBLIC WAS INTERESTED IN, LIKE HOW DID WE GET TO THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE, THEY CAN ACTUALLY GO SEE EVERY SPACE AND WIN. THOSE FTES ARE PREDICTED TO COME ONLINE, AND THAT'S BASED ON DEFENSIBLE DATA. SO IT'S NOT JUST US WAVING A MAGIC WAND SAYING THAT SHOULD BE THIS BIG, THIS IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THE SOCCER FIELDS ARE, THIS IS WHERE IN THE CITY IT IS LOCATED. AND THEN JUST A SNAPSHOT OF WHAT THE BUILDINGS ENDED UP BEING. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT LANDED AS A ONE STORY, UH, FOR A SINGLE BUILDING, NEW CONSTRUCTION, 29,600 SQUARE FEET. ORIGINALLY WE STARTED LOOKING AT A TWO STORY, BUT IN THE PURSUIT OF UH, BEING, UM, COST CONSCIOUS, TWO STORY COSTS MORE 'CAUSE YOU HAVE MORE, MORE VERTICAL STRUCTURE, YOU HAVE MORE STAIRS AND RESTROOMS AND SUPPORT SPACES. SO WE, WE LOOKED AT, OKAY, WE DO HAVE ENOUGH LAND. LET'S MAKE IT A SINGLE STORY AND BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE FOR PUBLIC WORKS, THERE ARE TWO BUILDINGS. THERE IS A, UH, MAIN BUILDING WHICH HAS THE ADMINISTRATION, THE, UM, UH, THE TRAINING ROOM, AND THEN THERE'S A SHOPS BUILDING, WHICH HAS THE SIGN SHOP, THE REPAIR SHOP. AND THEN THERE'S A SERVICE YARD, WHICH INCLUDES THE SUPPORT SPACES LIKE, UM, THE VEHICLE MAINTENANCE BASE, THE FUELING STATION. UH, THERE'S SAND SALT, SO REPOSITORY, LAY DOWN AREAS. AND SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GONNA END UP SEEING ON THIS SITE PLAN. SO I'LL GO THROUGH THIS, UH, FROM A HIGH LEVEL BIRD'S EYE VIEW. ON THE RIGHT YOU HAVE THE POLICE [00:25:01] FACILITY, AND ON THE LEFT YOU HAVE THE TWO PUBLIC WORKS FACILITIES. IF YOU KNOW THIS AREA, THIS IS THE WATER TOWER. OKAY? SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE WE'RE AT HERE. AND THE SITE KIND OF GOES OVER AND BACK AND THEN FOLLOWS THIS PERIMETER FENCING ALONG HERE, THE POLICE AND PUBLIC WORKS HAVE A, UH, KIND OF A SHARED PUBLIC, UH, PUBLIC PARKING AREA SO THEY CAN HAVE THEIR VISITORS OR THEIR, UM, GUESTS COME. BUT THEN EVERYTHING ELSE BEYOND THAT IS FENCED IN TO PROVIDE A SECURE ENVIRONMENT FOR BOTH POLICE AND PUBLIC WORKS. THERE ARE GATES FOR BOTH SIDES. THE POLICE SIDE GATE GOES THROUGH THE SALLY PORT INTO THE JAIL, AND THE PUBLIC WORKS GATE GOES INTO THE YARD, WHICH HAS ALL OF THE VEHICLE MAINTENANCE, THE TIRE STORAGE, THE SAND SALT, SOIL REPOSITORY, AND EQUIPMENT STORAGE. SO WE CAN GET INTO THIS MORE GRANULAR IF ANY OF YOU ARE INTERESTED, BUT I'M GONNA JUST EXPLAIN IT, UH, DEPARTMENTALLY HOW THIS LAID OUT. AS YOU COME IN THE MAIN ENTRANCE, WHICH IS HERE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE, THIS LOBBY IS THE YELLOW SPACE HERE OFF THE LOBBY, YOU HAVE A TRAINING ROOM, A COMMUNITY ROOM THAT COULD BE USED. UM, A LOT OF TIMES BUILDINGS LIKE THIS, THE QUESTION COMES UP, WELL, WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT ARE YOU GIVING TO US AS THE RESIDENTS? THIS IS, UH, SOMETIMES A NICE ASSET TO HAVE FOR THAT PURPOSE. YOU ALSO OFF THE LOBBY HAVE A, UH, DISPATCH SUITE. SO, UH, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE HANDLE ALL THE 9 1 1 CALLS AND THEN YOU HAVE RECORDS. SO THAT LOBBY ON ALL THREE SIDES HAS A LOT OF PURPOSE TO IT. AND THEN AS WE GO THROUGH THERE, LET'S SAY WE GO LEFT THROUGH THIS MAIN CORRIDOR, THIS IS A SECURE DOOR. SO YOU BADGE THROUGH THAT AND YOU GO IN, YOU HAVE THE DETECTIVES HERE IN THE LIGHT BLUE. BEYOND THAT, YOU HAVE THE PATROL SPACE, WHICH IS THE REPORT WRITING. AND THE SERGEANTS THAT ARE OVER THAT, THIS ORANGE SPACE IS A HARDENED ICC 500 SPACE. SO THAT WOULD BE, UM, ABLE TO WITHSTAND A STORM SO THAT YOUR FIRST RESPONDERS ARE NOT IN THE SAME SITUATION THAT, UM, EVERYONE ELSE IS WHEN THEY'RE NEEDING TO GET OUT THERE AND RESPOND. IN THE TOP LEFT AND THE BLUE, WE HAVE THE, UH, POLICE ADMINISTRATION. WE HAVE A BREAK ROOM, THIS GOLD COLOR IS THE FITNESS, AND THEN THIS TEAL LIGHT GREEN COLOR IS THE JAIL. IN THE MIDDLE HERE, YOU HAVE A EVIDENCE STORAGE SUITE. SO THAT HAS ALL THE DUE PROCESS FOR SUBMITTING EVIDENCE PROPERLY AND MAINTAINING CHAIN OF CUSTODY. YOU ALSO HAVE, UH, BUILDING CODE OFFICIAL AND, UH, ANIMAL CONTROL, UH, SURROUNDING THAT. SO THAT'S THE, UM, HIGH LEVEL VIEW OF THAT. OBVIOUSLY WE CAN GET MORE GRANULAR IF ANY OF YOU ARE INTERESTED, BUT I'LL KEEP GOING FOR NOW. THE PUBLIC WORKS, UH, ADMINISTRATION BUILDING. A BIG PIECE OF THIS IS THIS LOCKER ROOM, WHICH LOOKS LIKE A REALLY BIG LOCKER ROOM AND IN A SNAPSHOT VIEW. BUT THE REASON IS A LARGE MAJORITY OF, UH, THE STAFF THAT YOU HAVE IN A PUBLIC WORK SITE ARE ACTUALLY OUT DOING THE WORK MOST OF THE DAY. AND THEY DON'T GET A OFFICE TO THEMSELVES. THEY DON'T GET THEIR OWN DESK, THEY DON'T GET A, A SPACE TO CALL. THEIR OWN LOCKERS ARE KIND OF, THAT'S THEIR SPACE. THEY GET ONE LOCKER. AND SO YOU WANNA MAKE THAT, UM, SOMETHING THAT IS NICE TO CALL THEIR OWN. UH, 'CAUSE THEY MAY BE COMING BACK FROM A VERY DIRTY, MUDDY JOB. THEY NEED TO WASH IT OFF AND GET PRESENTABLE BEFORE THEY GO HOME TO THEIR FAMILY THROUGH THE LOCKER ROOMS, WHICH ARE ACCESSIBLE TO THE YARD. OUT HERE TO THE LEFT, YOU HAVE THE BREAK ROOM, WHICH HAS A VERY HIGH PEAK VOLUME AT LUNCH. AND, UM, YOU'VE GOT SOME ENVIRONMENTAL LAB AND SCADA AREAS, A COMMUNITY AND MEETING ROOM FOR PRE-BID OR PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETINGS. WE HAVE MUDDY BOOTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT COMING IN. AND THEN A FITNESS AREA. AND THEN YOU HAVE A ADMINISTRATION, UH, UH, SUITE OVER HERE. ON THE BOTTOM OF THAT, THE SHOPS BUILDING, WHICH IS JUST, UH, TO THE EAST OF IT OR IN THIS PLAN NORTH, IT HAS, IT'S CONNECTED BY THIS COVERED, UH, PATIO AREA. JUST A LITTLE OUTDOOR GATHERING SPACE, WHICH IS NICE TO HAVE FOR, UM, FOR STAFF THAT ARE OUT ON THE TRUCKS AND, UH, TAKING CARE OF TASK ORDERS ALL DAY TO COME BACK AND HAVE A PLACE TO EAT. AND THEN IN THIS SHOPS BUILDING, WE HAVE A COUPLE VEHICLES THAT NEED TO BE IN A CONDITIONED SPACE SO THAT THEY DON'T FREEZE. OTHERWISE YOU HAVE TO WINTERIZE THEM. AND THAT'S A PROCESS THAT, UH, TAKES SOME TIME. THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF PARTS STORAGE. THEY NEED A BUNCH OF PARTS AND PIECES TO GO OUT AND DO THESE THINGS. AND SO IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY JUST A BIG STORAGE AND VEHICLE STORAGE, UH, BAY. AND THEN THESE TWO SMALLER SUITES ARE THE, UH, SIGN SHOP AND, UH, [00:30:01] AND, AND ANOTHER SUPPORTING SHOP AS WELL. OKAY, SO THAT'S THE LONG AND THE SHORT OF HOW IT ACTUALLY LAID OUT. I'LL GET INTO COSTS AND IF WE WANT TO CIRCLE BACK, I'M HAPPY TO CIRCLE BACK ON THOSE PLANS. UH, I MENTIONED THAT CONSTRUCTION COST DOUBLES EVERY 10 YEARS. THESE ARE NOT MADE UP BARS. THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT WE ACTUALLY DID. SO THIS FIRST PROJECT WAS THE FIRST PROJECT THAT I WAS, UM, ABLE TO BE PART OF. AND I WAS YOUNG BACK THEN AND IT WAS $140 A SQUARE FOOT. IT WAS THE POLICE FACILITY FOR THE CITY OF GRANBURY, WHICH IS STILL A LOVELY FACILITY TODAY. UH, IT HAS STOOD THE TEST OF TIME FOR 25 YEARS NOW. IT WAS ABOUT 2000 WHEN IT WAS BUILT, 2003 MAYBE SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE. AND THIS IS A POLICE FACILITY THAT WE JUST FINISHED. THEY ARE ABOUT THE SAME QUALITY. I WOULD SAY GRANBURY MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT, UH, NICER JUST FROM A PURE CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT, BUT THIS 6 87 A SQUARE FOOT IS WHAT WE JUST FINISHED ONE FOR. AND SO WE WENT BACK AND WE LOOKED AT ALL OF THESE, AND CONSTRUCTION COST GOES UP ABOUT 7.4% PER YEAR, WHICH WHEN YOU'RE TALKING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ADDS UP VERY QUICKLY. UH, WE HAD A PROJECT THAT WAS A $19 MILLION PROJECT. IT WENT ON HOLD FOR ONE YEAR. THEY WANTED MORE PUBLIC INPUT, IT WENT TO A VOTE AND THEY SAID, LET'S DO ONE MORE YEAR OF JUST KIND OF A, A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. THE COST ON THAT $19 MILLION PROJECT WENT UP CLOSE TO $2 MILLION. THE BUILDING DIDN'T REALLY CHANGE IN ANY FORM, IT WAS THE SAME FACILITY. SO JUST KNOW THAT I KNOW EVERYTHING COSTS, AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF PRIORITIES OUT THERE, BUT THERE IS JUST A COST TO WAITING. AND I ALWAYS FEEL A LITTLE WEIRD, UM, SAYING THIS BECAUSE I'M THE GUY THAT BENEFITS FROM YOU ACTUALLY MOVING FORWARD IN THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF A BUILDING. BUT I THINK I WOULD BE, UH, I'D BE MISTAKEN IF I DIDN'T AT LEAST TELL YOU THE DATA, WHICH IS OUR PROJECTS OVER THE COURSE OF TIME THAT I'VE BEEN PRACTICING AS AN ARCHITECT. SO THE RED BAR IS WHERE WE SEE THE CITY OF CLUT LANDING. IF YOU WERE TO START MOVING ON THIS TODAY, $700 A SQUARE FOOT, THAT'S CONSTRUCTION COST. BUT IF YOU WAIT, THESE ARE IN TWO YEAR INCREMENTS. SO YOU WAIT TWO YEARS, IT GOES UP TO 8 0 8, 2 MORE YEARS, 9 33. AND IF YOU WAIT SIX YEARS FROM RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE ALMOST $1,100 A SQUARE FOOT. IT JUST, IT IS HARD TO BELIEVE. THE ONLY REASON I BELIEVE IT'S, 'CAUSE I'VE SEEN IT NOW FOR TWO DECADES. SO WHAT DO THOSE CONCEPTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT ACTUALLY COST? THE POLICE FACILITY, THE WAY IT IS DRAWN WOULD COST ABOUT 25 MILLION, 900,000 TURNKEY. NOW THE BENEFIT IS YOU ALREADY OWN THE LAND AND THIS WOULD INCLUDE EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THAT BUILDING. SO 25,900,000. THE PUBLIC WORKS ADMINISTRATION, WHICH HAS TWO BUILDINGS IN IT, THE MAIN BUILDING AND THE SHOPS BUILDING IS ABOUT 14,000,006. AND THEN THE SERVICE YARD, WHICH HAS A LOT OF CONCRETE TIRE STORAGE, UH, WASH DOWN BAYS AND FUELING STATIONS WOULD BE JUST UNDER 5 MILLION. SO TO FILL THAT FULL SITE OUT WITH BOTH BUILDINGS TO TAKE YOU ON INTO THE FUTURE IS ABOUT $45 MILLION. THAT IS A BIG NUMBER. I KNOW IT'S A BIG NUMBER, UM, BUT IT WILL NEVER BE CHEAPER THAN IT IS TODAY. AND SOME, SOMETIMES, UH, I'LL GET THE QUESTION OF, WELL, WHAT IF WE SEE THE MARKET SOFTEN? LIKE WE HEAR RECESSION BELLS SINGING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, WILL WE, IS IT GONNA GO DOWN? AND THE ANSWER TO THAT IS I'VE SEEN IT TWICE, UH, WITH RANDALL RANDALL'S SEEN IT A FEW MORE TIMES THAN I HAVE, BUT IN THOSE TIMES THE MARKET DOESN'T GO, THE CONSTRUCTION COST DOESN'T GO DOWN, IT JUST STOPS GOING UP. SO IT STAYS THE SAME FOR ABOUT EIGHT TO 10 MONTHS. GENERALLY, AT LEAST THE TWO THAT I'VE SEEN, THEY STAY THE SAME FOR ABOUT EIGHT TO 10 MONTHS. AND THE PROBLEM IS EIGHT TO 10 MONTHS IS THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES TO DESIGN A PROJECT. SO BY THE TIME YOU, YOU SAY, HEY, NOW'S A GOOD TIME TO GO DESIGN AND BUILD, BY THE TIME WE GET IT FINISHED, DRAWN, YOU'RE ALREADY, IT'S ALREADY GONE. SO THERE'S REALLY NO WAY TO , UM, UNLESS YOU HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL, WHICH I DO NOT. SO IT IS ALWAYS CHEAPEST TO BUILD TODAY THAN TOMORROW. NOW, WHERE DOES THIS FALL WITHIN THE SPECTRUM OF MUNICIPAL BUILDINGS OF THIS TYPE? SO PD AND FIRE, OR PD AND PUBLIC WORKS? UM, IT IS CERTAINLY NOT A TAJ MAHAL THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. THIS IS A VERY, UH, STEWARDSHIP MINDED, UH, DESIGN THAT WE'VE PROPOSED. IT IS NOT BELOW AVERAGE, BUT IT IS, IT'S THAT RED LINE THERE. IT'S JUST ABOVE AVERAGE. IT IS A REALLY GOOD LONG LASTING BUILDING. IT'S THE SAME TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR A VERY LONG TIME, AND THEY HAVE HELD UP VERY WELL. [00:35:01] SO THEY WILL LAST A LONG TIME, BUT THEY'RE ALSO NOT GONNA START, UM, FALLING APART ON YOU. THEY JUST, WE DON'T DO, UH, THE LOW END DESIGN BECAUSE THAT USUALLY ISN'T, UH, MINDED THE WAY MUNICIPALITIES ARE. SO THE NEXT QUESTION THAT I OFTEN GET AFTER PRESENTING ALL OF THAT, UH, USUALLY ONCE PEOPLE KIND OF LEAN BACK FROM, UM, GASPING IN THEIR CHAIR ABOUT THE COST IS WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? SO THERE'S, THERE'S A FEW STEPS TO IT. FIRST IS JUST DECIDING IS THIS A YES OR A NO? IT, IT'S A GO NO GO DECISION. UM, THAT'S NOT A TONIGHT THING. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OBVIOUSLY TAKES SOME TIME TO THINK ABOUT, TALK ABOUT. UM, BUT IF THE ANSWER IS YES, THEN I'LL TELL YOU WHAT THE REST OF THE STEPS WOULD LOOK LIKE. SO WHAT CAN CLT RESPONSIBLY AFFORD? OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF PRIORITIES THAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH THAT YOU NEED TO PUT MONEY TOWARDS WORKING WITH YOUR STAFF AND FINANCIAL ADVISORS AND BOND COUNCIL. LET'S SAY WE LOOKED AT THIS AND WE SAID 45 MILLION WOULD GET YOU EXACTLY WHAT YOU NEED, TAKE CARE OF YOU ONTO THE FUTURE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT THESE TWO DEPARTMENTS FOR A VERY LONG TIME. BUT THEN YOU TALK TO BOND COUNCIL AND BOND COUNCIL SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT, 40 MILLION, YOU DON'T HAVE TO RAISE TAXES. YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH IT THROUGH THIS VEHICLE AND THAT VEHICLE WE CAN WORK ON. IF YOU SAY, HEY, WE CAN'T DO THE 45, WE, WE DON'T WANNA STRETCH TO THAT, BUT WE CAN DO 40, WE CAN, WE CAN WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENTS AND KIND OF SCALE BACK. OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE GONNA LOSE A COUPLE THINGS, BUT WE CAN DO IT VERY CONSCIOUSLY TO BRING IT DOWN TO WHATEVER YOUR TARGET BUDGET IS. SO JUST 'CAUSE I SAID 45 MILLION DOESN'T MEAN IT HAS TO BE 45 MILLION. THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO WHERE IT'LL LAND. UM, BUT IF YOU WERE TO WORK WITH YOUR STAFF AND COUNSEL, UH, BOND COUNSEL TO FIND SOMETHING SLIGHTLY LESS, WE CAN WORK TOWARDS THAT BOOKEND. HOW WILL WE PAY FOR IT? THERE ARE PEOPLE MUCH SMARTER THAN ME WHO KNOW THE DIFFERENT VEHICLES FOR FUNDING THINGS, WHETHER IT'S A GO BOND, A GENERAL OBLIGATIONS, A VOTER REFERENDUM, TAX NOTES, OR A CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION. UH, BUT THERE'S DIFFERENT VEHICLES. WE'VE SEEN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT, UH, WAYS CITIES GO ABOUT IT. AND THEN FROM THERE IS WHERE YOU START GETTING INTO TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS, UH, FOUR A AND FOUR B. AND THE REASON THOSE ARE DIFFERENT FROM EACH OTHER IS ONE IS THE DESIGN NOW APPROACH. AND AGAIN, AS I SAID, THIS IS COMING FROM A GUY WHO BENEFITS FROM STARTING NOW, BUT I'LL TELL YOU HOW IT ACTUALLY PAYS DIVIDENDS FOR YOU AS THE CITY. AND THE OPTION B IS IF YOU WAIT UNTIL A BOND, LET'S SAY YOU'RE GONNA TAKE THIS TO THE 2026 BOND, WHETHER IT'S MAY OR NOVEMBER, AND WE DON'T, WE DON'T DO ANYTHING ON IT. NO MONEY GOES TOWARDS STARTING DESIGN ON THIS UNTIL THAT BOND PASSES. THIS IS WHAT THOSE TWO OPTIONS LOOK LIKE. SO OPTION FOUR B, WHICH IS DON'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL THIS PASSES AND IT'LL ALL THE CONSTRUCTION AND DESIGN DOLLARS PASS TOGETHER AT ONCE. WE, WE DON'T DO ANYTHING ON THE PROJECT UNTIL MAY OF 2026. AND THEN WE START 10 MONTHS OF DESIGN, AND THEN WE START THE 18 MONTHS OF CONSTRUCTION. THAT TAKES YOU TO END OF 2028 FOR THE BUILDING TO BE MOVE IN THE BUILDINGS TO BE MOVE IN READY. SO THAT'S WHERE THAT TWO AND A HALF YEARS COMES FROM, THAT THE EXISTING FACILITIES HAVE TO, TO CONTINUE FUNCTIONING UNTIL THE OTHER OPTION. OPTION A IS, UH, THE IDEA OF, YOU KNOW WHAT, GO AHEAD AND GET THE DESIGN STARTED NOW, BECAUSE THAT TAKES 10 MONTHS. THAT GETS US TO PRETTY CLOSE TO THE, UH, BOND ELECTION IF YOU GO WITH A GEO OPTION, AND THEN IT IS WHAT WE CALL SHOVEL READY. SO IF THAT PASSES, AND I KNOW IT ISN'T IF, BUT IF THAT PASSES, THE CONSTRUCTION DOLLARS ARE READY TO, UH, START BUILDING IMMEDIATELY, THE PLANS ARE READY AND THE FUNDING IS READY AT THE SAME TIME. NOW THE, THE RISK OF THAT IS IT DOESN'T PASS. OKAY? YOU STILL HAVE SHOVEL READY PLANS. SO IF YOU WAITED TWO MORE YEARS TO GET THAT FUNDING, YOU STILL HAVE SHOVEL READY PLANS. SO YOU STILL HAVE THAT INVESTMENT THAT YOU CAN WORK TOWARDS FINDING A DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCE ON. HOWEVER, THE BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE TWO IS THOSE 10 MONTHS ON A PROJECT OF THIS 40, $45 MILLION RANGE IS ABOUT $3.2 MILLION OF WAITING THAT 10 MILLION OR WAITING, WAITING THOSE 10 MONTHS. SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE BACK END WHERE THAT $3.2 MILLION ESCALATION SAVINGS. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF YOU'RE BUILDING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, IF YOU, UM, IF YOU BUILD IMMEDIATELY, UM, YOU CAN SEE HOW THE, HOW THE ESCALATION THERE, UH, [00:40:01] ENDS UP SAVING. SO YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA PAY AN ARCHITECT TO DESIGN AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ESCALATION ON TOP OF THAT IF YOU WAIT OR YOU'RE GONNA PAY AN ARCHITECT TO NOT HAVE ESCALATION. SORRY IF THAT WAS A LITTLE CONFUSING THERE. SO I KNOW THAT WAS A LOT TO DIGEST IN A VERY CONDENSED, UM, PRESENTATION. I CAN GO BACK TO ANY PART OF THIS. IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT THE PLANS, THE COST, THE SCHEDULE, OR ANY OTHER PART OF THIS, WHAT CAN I ANSWER FOR YOU? WELL, IT IS A HANDFUL OF INFORMATION , UM, AND Y'ALL ARE THE, I APOLOGIZE, THE SOURCE FOR LAYING OUT WHAT WE NEED AND DOING ALL THAT. AND THEN WE GO TO THE ENGINEER OF MOMENTUM THAT WOULD, THAT'S SOMEWHAT DOWN THE LINE. THE ENGINEER JUST SCARES THE HELL OUT OF ME BECAUSE I I FOOD AIN'T DONE REAL GOOD WITH OUR PAST. AND THAT'S WHY WE WANNA MAKE SURE IF WE'RE GONNA INVEST THIS TYPE OF MONEY, THAT WE HAVE SOMEBODY QUALIFIED THAT'S DONE IT BEFORE. UH, UH, PRESTON, I'M SORRY I KEEP CALLING YOU YOUR DAD'S NAME. , UH, PRESTON AND I AND, AND CHIEF AND JOHN HAVE MET, I HAVE EXPLAINED KIND OF OUR FISCAL SITUATION, WHAT OUR DEBT CAP RATIO LOOKS LIKE. WE WON'T BE IN POSITION TO LET ANY DEBT UNTIL 2026 WHEN A COUPLE OF THESE NOTES FALL OFF. UM, AND, AND THE SCALE OF THAT IS GONNA BE A CHALLENGE FOR US. I MEAN, THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT NEEDS A NEW BUILDING. I MEAN, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. AND I THINK IF THERE IS ANY DOUBT THAT WE NEED TO SHOW PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WHAT OUR, UH, POLICE OFFICERS YOU DEAL WITH IN THERE, UH, BECAUSE I MEAN, YOU KNOW, JEFF AND I TOOK, YOU KNOW, HAVE BEEN IN THERE A LOT OF TIMES. I MEAN, THE, THE CONDITION THAT BUILDING IS IN IS, I CAN'T BELIEVE WE LET 'EM WORK IN THERE. BUT, UM, NO, I MEAN, I, I LIKE THE DESIGN, I DON'T LIKE THE PRICE. I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIKE THE TAG. I THINK WE'VE BEEN VERY CONSCIOUS OF HOW WE SPEND OUR, OUR FUNDS HERE AT THE CITY. UH, BUT THIS IS $45 MILLION IT'S GOTTA BE ABLE TO AFFORD. YEAH, THE FIRST THING, FIRST THING YOU GOTTA DO IS IF THAT PROPOSED SITE IS WHERE IT GOES, RIGHT? THAT THAT LAND WAS DONATED AS A PARK BY A FAMILY IN THE CITY OF THERE WILL HAVE TO BE AN ELECTION TO, TO, UH, USE THE PROPERTY AND THAT, THAT WAS MY OTHER THING TOO. I MEAN, COP PARK, THAT PARK IS, I MEAN, IT'S RIGHT THERE WITH HOMES, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES THAT DEAL WITH, YOU KNOW, IF WHEN WE HAVE EMERGENCIES, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE COPS COMING IN AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE FLARING SIRENS OR THINGS LIKE THAT. I MEAN THAT, WELL, I MEAN OUR CURRENT SITUATION IS WE'RE SURROUNDED BY HOMES ALREADY. WE THINK IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD JUST BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY THE INDUSTRIAL WORKS GOING ON. NOW YOU WILL HAVE OPERATIONS THAT START EARLIER IN THE MORNING THAN MAYBE THEY DO, BUT YOU ARE STILL IN PROXIMITY TO THE INDUSTRIAL PARK. SO IT'S, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S GONNA BE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT. IT'S ONLY ABOUT TWO BLOCKS FROM THE FIRE STATION NOW TOO. YEAH, . YEAH, THEY'LL ALL BE CLOSE. SO THAT'S A GOOD THING. ACCESSIBILITY IS ACCESSIBILITY IS MY CONCERN THERE, BUT I, I UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE LOOKING THERE AND THAT IS PROPERTY, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY MAJOR THOROUGHFARE THAT TOUCHES THIS SEVEN ACRES. IF I THINK CORRECTLY. WE HAVE PROPERTY OWNED ALL THE WAY AROUND IT AS FAR AS, NO, WE GOT A STREET IN MY, IS IT MY, WELL, WHERE THE WATER TOWER IS, THAT PROPERTY BELONGS TO THE CITY AS WELL, RIGHT? AND THEN WE HAVE THE ONE STREET YOU'VE GOT. SO, AND WE, THERE WAS A LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT DO WE CONNECT DORSETT TO THIS PROPERTY? AND THE IDEA WAS THAT WE DON'T DO THAT BECAUSE WE DID WANT TO HAVE TRUCKS TEARING OUT OF THERE TRUCKS. OH YEAH, NO, I I TOLD YOU WE NEED TO GET THE IDEAL BROCKMAN COMMERCE YES. ACCESSIBILITY. YEAH, BUT, WELL, I THINK OTHER THAN THE 45 MILLION NOT A BIG DEAL. . YEAH. THE, I MEAN THERE'S A JOHN, THERE'S ENOUGH PROPERTY WHERE THE WATER TIRE IS TO WIDEN THAT DRIVEWAY. YES, THERE'S ENOUGH IMPORT ENTRANCE HEAD THERE. I THINK WE, I ALSO, AT THE VERY TOP, I THINK THE GOAL IS TO HAVE A BACKEND ENTRANCE GOING BACK TO RIGHT THERE, [00:45:01] A SEWER LINE THAT TRAVELS THROUGH THAT AREA, RIGHT TO THE RIGHT WHERE HIS MARKER IS. THAT WOULD BE A BACK ENTRANCE WHERE YOU COULD GET EXIT OUT THE PROPERTY. IDEALLY, YOU'RE NOT GONNA WANNA USE A DOOR SET AS A, IN OUT BECAUSE OF, UH, A SMALL AREA, BUT THAT ENTRANCE LIGHT UP. SO THE WAY, I'M SORRY. SO THE WAY THIS DRAWING SETS WHAT'S NORTH, WHAT'S SOUTH? UH, NORTH IS THE, THAT WAY THE, THE LEFT SIDE LAY DOWN YARD NORTH WOULD BE WHERE IT SAYS FUEL STATION WASH AREA. THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE NORTH END THAT'S FACING MYERS STREET. AND THAT'S, THAT THAT BACK BACKS UP TO, UH, KIN. KIN, OKAY. KIN. YEAH. WHAT DO YOU THINK CHIEF ? WE, WE LOOKED, DID AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. AGAIN, TRYING TO BE AS PHYSICALLY RESPONSIBLE AS WE COULD BECAUSE THE CITY OWNS THE LAND AND UNFORTUNATELY CURRENTLY WHERE THERE IT'S NOT BEING USED. THAT WAS KIND OF WHY WE DID THAT. THE OTHER NICE PART FOR BOTH OF OUR DEPARTMENTS IS THERE ARE MANY, YOU KNOW, UM, WITH THEM DOING WORK ON OUR VEHICLES, OUR VEHICLES ARE RIGHT THERE FOR THEM TO PICK UP THE OTHER SIDE OF IT LATE AT NIGHT. WE NEED BARRICADES, WE NEED STOP SIGNS INSTEAD OF HAVING TO CALL SOMEBODY OUT THERE RIGHT THERE THAT WE CAN GRAB 'EM, GO DO THINGS. SO OUR TWO DEPARTMENTS WORK HAND IN HAND AND IT JUST WAS A NATURAL THING TO KIND OF PUT US TOGETHER. IF WE DON'T END UP HERE AND WE HAVE TO BUY LAND, THEN POTENTIALLY WE END UP AT TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS HAVING TO PURCHASE TWO DIFFERENT PARCELS OF LAND, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. SO, UM, WE, AND YOU KNOW, WE, WE LOOKED AT THIS TO WHERE THESE ARE BUILDINGS THAT QUITE FRANKLY, NOBODY IN THIS ROOM WILL STILL BE AROUND WHEN THEY NEED TO BE BUILT AGAIN. YOU KNOW, UH, WE, WE WENT WAY INTO THE FUTURE TYPE THING TO, TO SEE ON BOTH SIDES OF WHAT WE NEEDED AND WHAT WE DO. UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS IF, YOU KNOW, FINANCIALLY WE CAN ONLY AFFORD TO BUILD ONE RIGHT NOW. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER COMES LATER. BUT AGAIN, YOU HAVE THAT, THAT CONTINUED, UH, YOU KNOW, BUT WE, WE, WE HAD TO START SOMEWHERE. UM, AND UNTIL WE KIND OF PUT THIS BEFORE Y'ALL, WE, WE DON'T HAVE A START, SO AT LEAST WE HAVE A START. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. WELL, I MEAN, IT HAS TO WAIT. IT HAS TO WAIT TILL YOU HAVE THE ELECTION ON THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THERE'S NO NEED TO SPENDING THE MONEY IF THEY SAY YOU CAN'T BILL THERE. , I DO ONLY HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. YES, SIR. OTHER THAN THE OBVIOUS, LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, AND REALLY FOR JOHN, UH, A 6,000 SQUARE FOOT SHOP, THAT AIN'T VERY BIG. OR AM I LOOKING AT THE, I GOT A BAD EYE GOING ON HERE, BUT, UH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BACK WAREHOUSE BEHIND THE OTHER AREA RIGHT HERE, RIGHT, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, WE CALL A SIDE SHOP WAREHOUSE WHERE WE STORE MATERIALS. UH, IF YOU RECALL, IT WAS THE, THERE IT IS. WELL, I WANT IT BIGGER. SURE. FIGURE WE GET IT, THE BETTER. BUT I MEAN, I KNOW WHERE THE LEAN TWO IS. I KNOW THAT, BUT I MEAN, TWO GARBAGE TRUCKS FILLS UP 6,000 SQUARE FOOT PRETTY QUICK. THE VEHICLE AND THE BACKSIDE OF IT IS LARGE ENOUGH WHERE WE PUT MEINE ON TOP, WHERE WE ACTUALLY HAVE EXTRA ROOM TO STORE MATERIALS UPSTAIRS, ABOVE THAT AREA. SO IT IT'S ACTUALLY YOUR, THAT AREA THERE WOULD BE A, A SECOND FLOOR THERE. SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. WE, IT'S A SMALL SHOP WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO PUT A MEZZANINE IN THERE WHERE WE HAVE THE SIDE SHOP ON TOP AND MATERIAL DOWN BELOW. WE ARE SHARP SPACE. AND GOING BACK TO PRESTON'S, INITIAL STARTED OUT BEFORE I STARTED HERE, I GUESS, UH, ORIGINALLY THE WATER DEPARTMENT WAS OVER ON MOCKINGBIRD AND THEY MOVED THOSE INDIVIDUAL THAT WERE THERE INTO THIS FACILITY, WHICH ALREADY WAS CROWDED. SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS BACK PROBABLY IN THE 2008 THERE. SO. WELL, THERE'S NO DOUBT YOU GET THE MAN OF THE YEAR WAR FOR DOING MORE WITH LESS. I'LL GIVE YOU THAT. BUT I GUESS FOR JUST KNOWLEDGE, HOW, HOW BIG IS THAT SHOP DOWN THERE NOW? [00:50:01] I WANNA SAY ABOUT 30. ABOUT 30. SO THAT ABOUT 30. WHAT IS THAT? 9,000 SQUARE FEET. SQUARE FEET, HUH. AND IT'S ABOUT 900 SQUARE FEET. 9,000 SQUARE FEET. SQUARE FEET. SO, AND THIS ONE AND THIS ONE IS SIX. WELL, UH, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT CAUGHT MY EYE. THAT'S WHAT I, I ASSUMED YOU WERE WORKING OUT OF THERE. YEAH. OR AM I MISSING SOMETHING? ANYWAY, THAT, THAT WAS JUST A CONCERN THAT I WOULD HAVE. WELL, MOST OF OUR MATERIALS DOESN'T TAKE UP THE BOTTOM FLOOR IN THE WATER SIDE. IDEALLY SUPPOSE WOULD BE GET ALL THE AUTOMOTIVE MATERIALS YEAH. STORED WELL, WE, WE WOULD HAVE A SHOP OUT THERE WHEN THEY WORK SOMETHING WHERE YOU COULD STORE MATERIALS OUT THERE, BUT IDEALLY THAT BIGGER THAN YOU PUT UP THERE, THERE IS ROOM WHERE IT COULD BE. AND THAT WAS TO THE RIGHT OF IT. THERE WAS AREA THERE, LEFT OR FUTURE ADD TO IT. THAT'S THE AREA THAT YOU SEE RIGHT THERE TO THE RIGHT INITIALLY GETTING IN THERE. YEAH. THIS, THIS SHOPS BUILDING IS PROPORTIONAL, UH, TO THE CITY OF FRISCO PUBLIC WORKS SHOPS BUILDING THAT WE JUST FINISHED. IT HAS A LITTLE BIT OF THE OFFICE ADMINISTRATION TO RUN THOSE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE FTES FOR, BUT WHEN YOU PULL THAT OUT, THE ACTUAL MATERIAL STORAGE AND SHOPS SIGN SHOP SPACE ARE COMPARABLE FOR WHAT YOU ACTUALLY NEED TO, TO PRODUCE THOSE. SO IT'S BASED ON PEER FACILITY DATA. I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT THE SHOP SPACE FOR THE MECHANICS. I KNOW WHAT IT TAKES TO PULL A TRUCK IN AND WORK ON IT. GOOD QUESTION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? GREAT DESIGN, GREAT PRESENTATION. I, I LIKE THE FACT THAT SHARING SOME EXPENSES WITH SECURITY AND PARKING AND ALL OF THAT MAKES SENSE. WELL, WE GOT 12,000 PEOPLE TO CONVINCE NOW. SO PEACE . SO FOR, LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT. SO FIRST, BEFORE WE EVEN DO ANYTHING, WE HAVE TO GET APPROVAL FROM VOTERS TO USE THE PARK SPACE AS A, YOU KNOW YES SIR. FOR THE USE OF THESE BUILDINGS. CORRECT. AFTER, AFTER WE GET APPROVAL, WE HAVE TO SIT DOWN AND SEE HOW WE'RE GONNA FUND IT. WELL, OR IN THE MEANTIME WE CAN, WE CAN GO AHEAD. WE'VE ALREADY STARTED. YEAH. SO, UM, I'M, AS Y'ALL KNOW, I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE CIP FOR ALL THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. THIS IS ONE COMPONENT OF THAT PLAN. AND SO, UH, THE FINANCIAL ADVISOR, WE'VE BEEN IN CONTACT, THEY'RE ACTUALLY COMING, I THINK IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS SO WE CAN SIT DOWN AND START FIGURING OUT WHAT WE CAN REALLY AFFORD, NOT JUST ON THIS PROJECT, BUT OTHER PROJECTS WE HAVE AS WELL. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY, HOW, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE A GREAT JOB OVER THE PAST SIX YEARS ON SIDEWALKS AND DRAINAGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. HOW WOULD THAT, HOW WOULD BUILDING THIS AFFECT SOME OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE STILL, YOU KNOW, HAVE PLANNING? WELL, I, I THINK THAT THERE, THAT IT'S, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S ALL ONE POT OF MONEY. IT'S THE TAXPAYERS FOR THE CITY INCLUDE, AND WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO STAGGER AND TEAR AND STRUCTURE THE, THE FINANCING ON ALL OF THOSE PROJECTS AND PRIORITIZING WHAT IS WHAT, HOW YOU WANNA DO THAT. THAT'S A QUESTION THAT'LL COME BEFORE YOU IN A FEW WEEKS WHEN WE PRESENT THE CIP AND WHAT, WHAT PROJECTS ARE PRIORITY? WHICH PROJECTS NEED TO WAIT A LITTLE WHILE OR HOW WE SCHEDULE 'EM OUT? YEAH. THAT GOES DOWNTOWN. YEAH. FOR WHILE, FOR MY LIFETIME, NO, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, THE NEEDS, THE AIR, I SAID KNOW TO, TO JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION TO PULL THE TRIGGER. IT'S GOT, GOT TO GET PERMISSION TO USE THE PROPERTY FIRST. YEAH. YEAH. BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE GOT ANOTHER EIGHT ACRES LAYING AROUND. HMM. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANOTHER EIGHT ACRES LAYING AROUND. SO WE NEED TO, UH, CLARIFY THAT. WOULD THAT ELECTION HAVE TO BE AT A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME OR CAN IT BE WHENEVER, OR WE HAVE, WELL, WE WOULD HOLD IT ON A UNIFORM ELECTION DATE. SO IF COUNCIL DECIDED THEY WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT QUESTION TO PUBLIC, THEN NOVEMBER, IT WON'T BE ON MAY 3RD. YEAH. . YEAH. THE, THE MAY, THE NOVEMBER ELECTION WOULD BE THE ONE IF IN THIS YEAR, IF YOU WANTED TO ASK THAT QUESTION OR IF YOU WANNA WAIT TILL NEXT MAY, YOU CAN WAIT TILL NEXT MAY. OKAY. WE, WE CAN DO IT IN NOVEMBER. IN NOVEMBER, YEAH. OKAY. THAT WAS MY WORRIES. THAT WE HAD TO DO IT. WAIT ALL THE WAY. I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A WAITING PERIOD. NO. IS THAT RIGHT, CHRIS? YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING IN 90 DAY WAITING OR ANYTHING. I DON'T THINK, CHRIS, IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? YOU JUST HAVE TO CALL AN ELECTION WITHIN THE PERIOD BEFORE THAT. SEVEN, [00:55:01] EIGHT DAYS BEFORE SEVEN EIGHT DAYS. YOU HAVE TO GET IT ON THE BALLOT IN TIME. YES SIR. WE WOULDN'T WANNA DO A SPECIAL ELECTION. 'CAUSE THAT IS REALLY EXPENSIVE AS WELL. YEP. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND WITH AND ADD THAT, ADD ABOUT ANOTHER A HUNDRED, $150,000 TO IT. CORRECT. AND WITH US DOING, IF YOU KNOW, LIKE I, WE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE DO PROCEED WITH IT IN NOVEMBER. WILL THAT GIVE US ENOUGH TIME TO BE READY FOR ANOTHER ELECTION IN MAY? YES. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF A BOND, EG? YEAH. YEAH. IF WE CAN FINAGLE THE FINANCING. YEAH, WE WOULD, THE, THE GOAL IS TO COME OUT OF THIS BUDGET SEASON WITH A PLAN OF FINANCE FOR PROJECTS. SO WHAT IS LIKE ON A PROJECT THIS BIG, WHAT TIMEFRAME DO WE HAVE IT, WOULD WE POSSIBLY SET IT FOUR TO HAVE IT PAID OFF LIKE A 30? LIKE I'LL HAVE LIKE A MORTGAGE NOW YOU CAN DO 10, 15, WHATEVER, 30 YEAR MORTGAGE YOU CAN. SO THE, I'M JUST, JUST SPIT BALLING. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE LIKE EXACT. TYPICALLY WE TARGET 14 TO 21 YEARS ON DEBT RETIREMENT AT THE CITY. OKAY. WE TRY NOT TO LET IT GO TWO OR THREE GENERATIONS. UH, THE TYPICAL RULE OF THUMB IN PUBLIC FACILITIES IS YOU WANT TO HAVE THE DEBT LAST AS LONG, IF NOT BE HALF OF THE LIFE OF THE BUILDING. SO, MAKES SENSE. UM, I MEAN, YOU CAN GO OUT FURTHER, BUT YOU'RE JUST INCREASING THAT DEBT CAPACITY FOR THAT LENGTH OF TIME. SO WE TRY AND TYPICALLY RETIRE. IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE 2009 ISSUE, IT'LL BE FALLING OFF. IT WAS A 16 YEAR ISSUE. IT'LL BE FALLING OFF THIS NEXT YEAR, SO, OKAY. RIGHT. BECAUSE BY THE TIME 15 YEARS, WE'RE GONNA NEED SOMETHING ELSE. CORRECT. YEAH. I DO HAVE ONE. I'VE SAID ONE MORE. I KEEP SAYING THAT. MM-HMM . IN THIS SCOPE OF NUMBERS, THERE'S NO ENGINEERING THE ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS THAT THEY WILL DO THE, THAT THEIR JOB IS TO HANDLE THE DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION, EVERYTHING. SO THAT IS IN YES. THE NUMBERS THAT YOU SEE THERE IN THE BLUE ARE TURNKEY. THAT INCLUDES EVERYTHING. SO YOUR FIRM WILL ACT AS PROJECT MANAGERS AND EVERYTHING. YES. SO WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, THIS STUDY IS THERE, THERE ARE FOUR PHASES TO ARCHITECTURAL WORK, SCHEMATIC DESIGN, DESIGN DEVELOPMENT, CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS, CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION. SO CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS ARE WHAT YOU THINK OF AS BLUEPRINTS. CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION IS HARD. HATS ON WATCHING IT GET BUILT. THOSE FIRST TWO PHASES, SCHEMATIC DESIGN AND DESIGN DEVELOPMENT IS TAKING THIS PRETTY PICTURES. IT LOOKS GOOD IN PLAN, WE HAVE TO START SAYING, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? I KNOW A PITCHED ROOF IS IMPORTANT HERE BECAUSE Y'ALL ARE TIRED OF FLAT ROOFS, RIGHT? MM-HMM . SO WE HAVE TO START FIGURING OUT THOSE QUESTIONS AND THEN START PUTTING THE TECHNICAL DETAILS TO IT. WE HAVE ABOUT EIGHT ENGINEER TYPES UNDER US. MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING, STRUCTURAL, CIVIL, UH, WE HAVE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT. THOSE ALL SIT UNDER OUR UMBRELLA. SO WHEN I SAY WE WOULD DO THE DESIGN AND GET IT READY, SHOVEL READY FOR CONSTRUCTION, THAT MEANS YOU SAID, HEY, WE LIKE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. GO FORWARD. WE'RE GONNA BE COMING BACK WITH THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN 3D. THIS IS WHAT IT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE USING BRICK, WE'RE USING STUCCO, WE'RE USING STONE, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. AND WE THEN MOVE TOWARD, THROUGH THE TECHNICAL DRAWINGS AND TURN OVER A SET OF BLUEPRINTS FOR PUBLIC BIDDING TO GET YOU YOUR BEST VALUE THROUGH CONSTRUCTION. SO YEAH, ALL IT, ALL IT TAKES IS, UM, SAYING WE WANT TO DO THIS AND, UH, WE WOULD TAKE IT ACROSS THE FINISH LINE FROM A ENTIRE DRAWING PACKAGE SO THAT IT'S READY TO BID OUT TO CONTRACTORS. THERE'S NO OTHER MIDDLEMAN BETWEEN US AND THE CONTRACTOR. QUESTION. PRESTON, GREAT JOB. THANK YOU. YEAH, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THE NEXT ITEM WOULD BE THE FINANCIAL REPORT FOR QUARTER ENDING MAY 31ST, 2025. CAN I ASK CORY TO KIND OF UPDATE THE, UH, NOT ONLY THE NUMBERS, BUT THE MODEL? SO IT MAY LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY, UH, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE CLOSING IN ON OUR TARGET FOR, UH, REVENUES, UH, ON THE PROPERTY TAX. UH, WE WERE EXCITED TO SEE ACTUALLY AN UPTICK IN BUYING AND SALES TAX REVENUE FOR THE, FOR THE CURRENT YEAR. UH, WE WEREN'T EXPECTING THAT, SO THAT WAS A PLEASANT SURPRISE. UH, WE'RE, AS YOU SEE, WE'VE TREND JUST ABOUT ON TREND ACROSS THE BOARD IN TERMS OF REVENUES, UH, OUTSIDE OF SALES TAX, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN WHAT WE ANTICIPATED. SO WE WERE HAPPY TO SEE THAT. IN TERMS OF EXPENDITURES, UH, AGAIN, WE'RE STAYING FAIRLY WELL ON TARGET, THE LOAN EXCEPTION BEING THE ADMINISTRATIVE WHERE WE HAD [01:00:01] TO EA TON OF COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE HURRICANE BARREL. WE CODED THAT INTO THE ADMINISTRATIVE BUDGET. UM, WE DID MEET WITH OUR NEW, I THINK HE'S OUR SIXTH PDMG NOW, UH, WITH FEMA. THEY SEEM TO BE, UH, CHANGING THOSE, LIKE THEY CHANGE PANTS. UM, AND SO, UH, HE'S HAVING TO RECONSTRUCT THE FILE, WHICH MEANS THAT WE'RE STILL, UH, WE'VE BEEN APPROVED OUR CATEGORY A COSTS, WHICH ARE THE BULK OF OUR COSTS RELATED TO THE CLEANUP AND DEBRIS REMOVAL. UH, BUT WE, UH, WE STILL DON'T HAVE THE, UH, THE GO AHEAD, THE GREEN LIGHT FOR A CHECK. SO THE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN APPROVED. WE JUST HAVEN'T RECEIVED PAYMENT AND WE HAVEN'T BEEN GIVEN AN IDEA WHEN THAT PAYMENT MIGHT BE COMING. SO, UH, BUT ACROSS THE BOARD WE SEEM TO BE HITTING OUR TARGETS. UH, IN TERMS OF THE VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT. YOU CAN SEE THE LISTING THERE, CAPITAL ITEMS THAT WE PURCHASED, UH, IN PARKS, SANITATION, AND STREETS. UM, AND SO WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO STAY IN THOSE COSTS AS WELL. CORY, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD? SHE SAID SHE WAS GONNA GET UP INTO BANJO, SO I'M KIND OF DISAPPOINTED. , ANY QUESTIONS OR CAN WE GO BACK TO SALES REVENUE? I WAS JUST EXCITED TO SEE YES, THAT WE, UM, SORRY, WHICH BAR? BAR GRAPH. THE BAR GRAPH, YES. EVERY MONTH, EXCEPT FOR, FOR NOVEMBER, WE HIT A, A FIVE YEAR HIGH FOR SALES TAX. SO I'M BUYING EVERYTHING ONLINE. IF I CAN'T FIND IT, INCLUDE IT GETS ORDERED ONLINE. WELL, I I WILL, I WILL TELL YOU THAT THAT WILL GET CHANGED. OH. UH, SEVERAL OF OUR, UH, COLLEAGUES IN OTHER CITIES, UH, FILED A SUIT AND THE COMPTROLLER HAS BEEN ENJOINED FROM ENFORCING THAT RULE, SAYING THAT THE RULE WAS ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUSLY ADOPTED. AND SO, UH, THERE'S A SET OF BILLS ACTIVE RIGHT NOW IN THE LEGISLATURE TO KILL IT. NO, NO. TO, UH, TO WORK TOWARDS A, AN AMICABLE SPLIT. AND SO WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW IS A SPLIT OF THE SALES TAX SO THAT YOU WOULD NOT THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER, UH, SO THAT THE POINT OF DISTRIBUTION WOULD GET A PORTION, AND THE POINT OF DELIVERY WOULD GET A PORTION, A PORTION OF THAT ACTUAL SALES TAX, WHICH IS, UH, IN MY MIND, GONNA BE AN ACCOUNTING NIGHTMARE. YEAH. FOR THE, FOR COMPANIES THAT HAVE TO PAY. SO ARE YOU SAYING LIKE YOU BUY SOMETHING THAT OUT OF STATE MM-HMM . WE'LL JUST SAY NEW YORK CITY. YEAH. SO YOU BUY SOMETHING IN NEW YORK CITY, NEW YORK CITY WOULD GET A PIECE OF THE SALES TAX NO. AND THEN INCLUDE, SO, UH, LIKE RIGHT NOW, IF YOU BUY SOMETHING ON AMAZON, IT SHOWS UP IN A WAREHOUSE IN KATY, AND THEN IN KATY IT GETS DISPERSED TO A SUB WAREHOUSE SOMEWHERE ELSE, AND THEN IT GETS SHIPPED TO YOUR HOME. OKAY. AND SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS, IS WHEN THAT SALE HAPPENED BEFORE THE RULE WENT INTO EFFECT, PRE PRE 2020, THAT SALES TAX, ANYTHING THAT GOT SOLD AND SHIPPED OUTTA THAT WAREHOUSE, ALL THAT SALES TAX WENT TO KATIE. OKAY. AND SO WHEN THE COMPTROLLER CHANGED THE RULE, KATIE ALL OF A SUDDEN WASN'T GETTING AS MUCH SALES TAX, WHICH CAUSED THEM SOME PAIN. AND THEN THEY APPROACHED, THEY GOT TOGETHER WITH SOME OTHER CITIES, THEY GOT TO, THE LOBBIES HAD THE SAME ISSUE, AND THEY DECIDED TO FILE A SUIT AND GET IT ENJOINED, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'VE DONE. AND THEY SAID THAT THE RULE WASN'T SET OR PUBLISHED APPROPRIATELY, THAT COMPTROLLER ARGUED THAT IT HAD BEEN DONE APPROPRIATELY. THE COURT SAID NO AND THEN ORDERED THEM INTO MEDIATION. AND THEN SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, EVERYBODY MADE A BEELINE FOR THE CAPITAL TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT A WAY TO SPLIT THE BABY, UH, AMICABLY. BECAUSE WHEN YOU BUY SOMETHING ONLINE, THEY DO THE SALES TAX BASED ON WHERE IT'S BEING SHIPPED TO. LIKE YES. TO BE THE, SO IF YOU, IF SAY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR SALES TAX RATE IS, BUT WELL, OURS, IN OURS 0.825, YES. BUT TYPICALLY THEY HAVE THE SAME MAXIMUM SALES RATE. SO UNLESS YOU'RE IN AN UNINCORPORATED AREA OF A COUNTY, YOU'RE GONNA AN ENCOUNTER THAT 8.25. BUT GENERAL, I, I CAN'T THINK OF A SINGLE CITY. I KNOW THAT HASN'T GONE TO THE MAXIMUM 2 CENTS ADDED ONTO THE STATES. SO, BUT HOW DOES THAT AFFECT, LIKE I SAID, IF YOU'RE BUYING SOMETHING FROM OUT OF STATE, OUT OF STATE, THAT GETS PAID TO THE COMPTROLLER AND THEN THAT TYPICALLY SHOWS UP IN THE POINT OF SALE. BUT TYPICALLY, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE MAKING AN ORDER OUT OF STATE, IT'S TRANSITIONING FROM A POINT OF DISTRIBUTION IN THE STATE. LIKE IF YOU'RE BUYING ON AMAZON OR SO WE DON'T, THE CITY OF INCLUDE DOESN'T GET ANYTHING FROM OUT OF STATE OR THEY DO? WELL, WE, WE, PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF INCLUDE ORDER FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD, BUT TYPICALLY THERE'S A DISTRIBUTION HUB IN THE STATE OF TEXAS THAT DELIVERS IT. SO LIKE, UH, SO THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST PLACE THE SALES TAX WOULD BE SPLIT AT IS CORRECT. ONCE IT IS INSIDE THE STATE OF TEXAS. RIGHT. ONCE IT'S INSIDE THE STATE OF TEXAS. OKAY. THAT WAS THE PLAN I WAS MISSING NOW ON THAT. OKAY. WELL THEN WE SHOULD OPEN UP A DISTRIBUTION CENTER. I WISH WE HAD THE LAND FOR IT. UH, THE [01:05:01] TYPICAL AMAZON DISTRIBUTION SITTER SITS ON 35 ACRES OF LAND, NEED TO FIND 35 ACRES OF LAND . WE NEED A VOLCANO. DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THE FINANCIAL REPORT? NO. WE'LL VOTE TO THE NEXT ITEM, AND IT IS CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTS TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 20 DASH 2025 RATIFYING THE APPROVAL OF TASK ORDER NUMBER ONE UNDER THE AGREEMENT WITH CSRS, DISASTER RECOVERY MANAGEMENT, LLC RELATED TO THE FEMA PUBLIC ASSISTANCE AND HAZARD MITIGATION GRANT PROGRAM EXECUTED BY THE BEAR. AND THIS WOULD BE RESOLUTION NUMBER 20 DASH 2025. A RESOLUTION OF CITY COUNCIL OF CITY OF CLUTE, TEXAS APPROVING TASK ORDER NUMBER ONE, AUTHORIZING CSRS INC WORK FOR THE PROVISION OF MANAGEMENT OF FEMA PUBLIC ASSISTANCE SERVICES, WHEREAS THE CITY COUNCIL OF CITY OF INCLUDE UNDER THE PROVISIONS OR RESOLUTION OF 15 DASH 2025 PREVIOUSLY ENTERED INTO A MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH CSRS INC. OF LAKE CHARLES, LOUISIANA FOR A CALL FOR OUR ONCALL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES RELATED TO THE PROCUREMENT AND ADMINISTRATION OF CS GRANTS AND FEMA PUBLIC ASSISTANCE PROJECT. WHEREAS THE CITY CSRS INC HAVE COLLABORATED AND DEVELOPED TASK ORDER NUMBER ONE, AUTHORIZING WORK ON THE CITY'S EFFORTS TO RECOUP COSTS RELATED TO FEMA PA FUNCTIONS RESULTING FROM HURRICANE BARREL ATTACHED HERE TO AS EXHIBIT A AND NOW FOR BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CITY OF INCLUDE TEXAS HEREBY APPROVES TASK ORDER NUMBER ONE, AUTHORIZING CSRS PROFESSIONAL SERVICES RELATED TO THE PROCUREMENT AND ADMINISTRATION OF THE CITY'S FEMA PUBLIC ASSISTANCE PROJECTS. FURTHER, THIS RESOLUTION ALSO AUTHORIZES THE MAYOR'S SIGNATURE FOR THIS AGREEMENT PASSED AND ADOPTED THIS 24TH DAY OF APRIL, 2025, APPROVED BY MYSELF AND ATTESTED BY ROSA APPOINTED CITY CLERK. AND SO THIS BASICALLY AUTHORIZES THAT WORK TO TRY AND KEEP BIRD DOG AND FEMA ON THE FUNDS. AND I WILL SAY THAT CSRS HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF DEVELOPING ALL OF THE MATERIAL, ALL OF THE DATA THAT FEMA'S REQUIRING. WE'VE HAD TO GEO-LOCATE EVERY SIGN, EVERY BUILDING THAT WAS TOUCHED. IT'S BEEN AN EFFORT. AND, UH, IT DIDN'T HELP THAT OUR FIRST, UH, OUR FIRST YEAR THAT JOHN AND, UH, COREY GOT TO GO ON, THE GENTLEMAN FROM FEMA, UH, NEVER TURNED HIS FILES BACK IN BEFORE HE LEFT THE AGENCY. SO THEY HAD TO RECREATE EVERYTHING IN REAL TIME. OH MY GOSH. BUT, UH, THEY'RE REQUIRING PHOTOS AND GEO TAGGING ON EVERY SINGLE ITEM THAT WE'RE TRYING TO REPROVE COST ON. SO THIS IS PRETTY MUCH JUST A SECOND APPROVAL, RIGHT? YES. WE APPROVED THE MSA AND NOW WE'RE GIVING THEM THE TASK ORDER TO PROCEED. AND THIS IS ALL PART OF THE PROCESS TO GET FEMA TO REIMBURSE US FOR THESE COSTS AS WELL. MAYOR, ANY NEED A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. I'LL SECOND HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN AGUILAR TO SECOND BY COUNCIL PERSON, MADDOX. FURTHER DISCUSSION, ENTERTAIN A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR A AYE. THANK YOU. IT'S UNANIMOUS. NEXT ITEM WOULD BE CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 2021 AWARDING CONTRACT BIDS ON RFPS FOR DEBRIS MONITORING SERVICES AND IT WOULD BEYE RESOLUTION NUMBER 21 DASH 2025. RESOLUTION OF CITY COUNCIL, CITY OF KLU, TEXAS APPRO BID A CONTRACT AWARD FOR DEBRIS REMOVAL SERVICES, WHEREAS THE CITY AS REQUIRED BY FEMA REGULATIONS RECENTLY COMPLETED A FORMAL COMPETITIVE REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL RFP PROCESS FOR DEBRIS REMOVAL MONITORING. AND WHEREAS THAT RFP DETAILED THE SCOPE PERFORMANCE OBJECTIVES AND COSTING FOR SAID SERVICES, AND WHEREAS THE CITY RECEIVED MULTIPLE BIDS FROM VARIOUS QUALIFIED APPLICANTS AND WHEREAS THE COMMITTEE MADE UP OF STAFF HAVE REVIEWED AND ASSESSED AND SCORED THESE RFP IN AN OBJECTIVE MANNER, NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CITY OF KLUTE, TEXAS HEREBY APPROVES THE BID FOR DEBRIS REMOVAL MONITORING TO BOTH TRUE NORTH HOUSTON, TEXAS, AND TETRA TEXAS, HOUSTON, TEXAS, AND DIRECTS THE, THE CITY ATTORNEY TO FINALIZE A CONTRACT OUTLINING THE SCOPE OF WORK PERFORMANCE, COST AND FINANCIAL CONTAINED WITHIN THE RFP. FURTHER, SHE SAID CONTRACTS FAIL TO BE AGREED BY THE AWARDEES THAT STAFF ARE [01:10:01] DIRECTED TO REEVA, REEVALUATE THE PROPOSAL AND THE OTHER VENDORS, AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL FOR APPROVAL AND AWARD PAST AND ADOPTED THIS 24TH DAY OF APRIL, 2025, APPROVED BY MYSELF, TESTED BY ROADS, EMPLOYMENT CITY CLERK. I THINK THAT IT HAD TOO MANY AND DIRECT THE DIRECTS CITY ATTORNEY. WELL, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF DIRECTION GIVEN WHEN WE, WHEN WE DRAFTED THIS, UH, COUNSEL MIGHT REMEMBER BACK WHEN WE, UH, IN 2022, WE UNDERWENT THE RFQ FOR OUR RFP PROCESS. FOR DEBRIS COLLECTION AND DEBRIS MONITORING, YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO SEPARATE CONTRACTS, TWO SEPARATE VENDORS, ONE THAT CHECKS, ONE THAT PICKS THE THE DEBRIS UP, THE OTHER ONE THAT ACTUALLY MAKES SURE THAT THERE'S NOT FUDGING OF THE NUMBERS WHEN IT GETS DELIVERED TO THE SITE AND OFFLOADED AND DEALT WITH. HOWEVER IT GETS DEALT WITH. UH, WE AWARDED THAT BID TO A FIRM OUT OF GEORGIA, DRC UH, THEY ACTUALLY SOLD TO ANOTHER FIRM IN BRAZIL WHO DECIDED THEY WERE NOT GONNA OPERATE THAT BUSINESS ANYMORE. AND THEY INFORMED US ABOUT, I THINK THREE WEEKS BEFORE THE BEFORE HURRICANE BARREL HIT. SO WE HAD TO HOP THROUGH MULTIPLE HOOPS WITH FEMA IN ORDER TO HAVE DEBRIS MONITORING, UH, AND HAVE SOMEBODY HONOR THE CONTRACT. WE WERE ABLE TO GET THROUGH THAT, THAT THAT PROCESS. UH, BUT NOW WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE, UH, WE NEEDED TO REBID IT AND FORMALIZE THAT THAT SITUATION WE ISSUED THE RFP, UH, WE HAD SEVERAL DIFFERENT FIRMS, UH, BID ON THE PROCESS AND BID ON THE WORK. UH, WE DID NOT WANNA BE LEFT IN A SITUATION BECAUSE THIS IS A PRETTY COMPETITIVE FIELD WHERE WE WERE STUCK WITH ONE VENDOR WHO MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT BE SOLD OR BOUGHT BY ANOTHER VENDOR OR MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT GO OUT OF BUSINESS BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE BRINGING TWO CANDIDATES TO YOU, UH, TO AWARD BID TO SO THAT WE HAVE A PLAN A AND A PLAN B AS IT WERE, OR TWO PLAN A'S, I GUESS IS THE BETTER WAY TO SAY IT, DEPENDING ON WHICH ONE WILL, WILL SIGN A CONTRACT. WELL, HOPEFULLY THEY BOTH SIGN A CONTRACT AND THEN WE'RE NOT STUCK, LIKE EXPECT IF WE GET A STORM. OKAY. OKAY. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 21 DASH 2025? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. MOTION MADE BY COUNCIL PER MATTER. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND COUNCIL FIRST OF ALL, MAKES A SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION. HEARING NONE, I ENTERTAIN A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. THEN THE NEXT ITEM WOULD BE CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO A DROP RESOLUTION NUMBER 22 DASH 2025 AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR'S SIGNATURE ON AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF CLU AND BRADS PORT COLLEGE FOR THE COLLECTION OF STORM RELATED DEBRIS. AND IT'S RESOLUTION NUMBER 22 DASH 2025. A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF CITY OF CLUTE, TEXAS APPROVING AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH BRAS PORT COLLEGE FOR THE COLLECTION OF DEBRIS SUBSEQUENT TO DAMAGE CAUSED BY A PRESIDENTIALLY DECLARED DISASTER. WHEREAS THE CITY COUNCIL AND CITY OF BRA SUPPORT COLLEGE ARE DESIROUS OF COOPERATING FOR THE REMEDIATION AND DEBRIS SUBSEQUENT TO DAMAGE CAUSED BY PRESIDENTIALLY DECLARED DISASTER. WHEREAS THE CITY COUNCIL CITY CL FINDS THAT IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THE GENERAL WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY AND MORE EFFICIENT IF THIS COLLABORATION IS UNDERTAKEN. AND WHEREAS THE ATTACHED INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT PROVIDES FOR THE COLLECTION OF THIS DEBRIS AND BENEFIT TO BOTH ENTITIES AND IS ALLOWED UNDER CHAPTER 7 91 OF THE GOVERNMENT CODE NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED THAT THE CITY COUNCIL OF CITY CL TEXAS HEREBY APPROVES THE ATTACHED INTERLOCAL WITH BRAS PORT COLLEGE FOR THE COLLECTION OF DEBRIS SUBSEQUENT TO DAMAGES CAUSED BY PRESIDENTIAL PRESIDENTIALLY DECLARED DISASTER PASSED AND ADOPTED THIS 24TH DAY OF APRIL, 2024, SIGNED BY MYSELF, TESTED BY ROSIE FLOYD AT CITY CLERK. SEE THIS AGREEMENT, UH, DARREN BARREL, UH, RESORT, COLLEGE WAS KIND OF STUCK BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE. THEY'RE BIG ENOUGH TO HAVE A TON OF DEBRIS, BUT NOT BIG ENOUGH TO HAVE A MEANS OF GETTING IT TAKEN OFF. AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO WORK WITH FEMA TO ALLOW OUR CONTRACTOR TO TAKE CARE OF IT FOR THEM. BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE A FORMALIZED STEP IN THAT PROCESS. SO ONCE A STORM COMES IN AND IT'S DECLARED A DISASTER THAT TRIGGERS THE TRACHE OF MONEY THAT WE CALL CATEGORY A, WHICH IS DEBRIS REMOVAL. THIS WOULD BASICALLY PUT BRAZOSPORT COLLEGE UNDER OUR AGES AND ALLOW OUR CONTRACTOR TO MAKE THAT COLLECTION AND THEN HANDLE THE DEBRIS REMOVAL. THE SAME DEBRIS MONITORS WOULD COVER IT AS COVER US. SO THERE'S NOT A DUPLICATION OF EVER BETWEEN THE SCHOOL AND THE, AND THE CITY. IT'S ALL JUST UNDER OUR CONTRACT. AND THEN WE PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES OR OUR CONTRACTOR PROVIDES THOSE SERVICES FOR THE COLLEGE. AND THEN WHAT? THEN WE FILE [01:15:01] IT UNDER OURS. AS FAR AS REIMBURSEMENT. YES, SIR. SO WE DON'T GET INTO THAT CITY SPLIT? NO. WHO LOANS A COLLEGE? I WAS THINKING THAT. I JUST WASN'T GONNA SAY. YEAH, SO I MEAN, YOU DO HAVE THREE CITIES THAT ARE ON THAT SITE, BUT THE REALITY IS, IS NEITHER ONE OF THE OTHER TWO CITIES WANTED TO STEP UP AND PROVIDE THE, ALRIGHT. GO FIGURE, . SORRY. WELL, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. YEP. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. MAYOR, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN AGUILAR TO APPROVE, UH, RESOLUTION NUMBER 22 DASH 1 25 AND I SECOND SECOND BY COUNCIL PERSON MADDOX. FURTHER DISCUSSION. HEARING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. THANK NEXT ITEM WOULD BE CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 23 DASH 2025 AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR'S SIGNATURE FOR THE GRANT WORKS MANAGEMENT SERVICES CONTRACT. AND IT WOULD BE RESOLUTION NUMBER 23 DASH 2025. A RESOLUTION OF CITY COUNCIL OF CITY OF INCLUDE TEXAS APPROVING MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND GRANT WORKS WITH THE PROVISION OF ONCALL GRANTS PROCUREMENT MANAGEMENT AND FEMA PUBLIC ASSISTANCE SERVICES, WHEREAS THE CITY COUNCIL OF CITY INCLUDE UNDER PROVISIONS OF REVOLUTION NUMBER OH FIVE DASH 2025. PREVIOUSLY SELECTED CSRS INC. OF LAKE CHARLES LA AND GRANT WORKS OF AUSTIN, TEXAS TO CONTRACT FOR A CALL FOR ON-CALL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES RELATED TO THE PROCUREMENT AND ADMINISTRATION OF CS GRANTS AND PUBLIC A FEMA PUBLIC ASSISTANCE PROJECTS. WHEREAS THE CITY AND GRANT WORKS HAVE COLLABORATED TO DEVELOP THE MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENT ATTACHED HERE TO AS EXHIBIT A. AND NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED THAT THE CITY COUNCIL OF CITY OF CLUTE, TEXAS HEREBY APPROVE THE MASTER SERVICES AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND GRANT WORKS FOR ON-CALL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES RELATED TO THE PROCUREMENT ADMINISTRATION OF CITY GRANTS AND FEMA PUBLIC ASSISTANCE PROJECT. FURTHER, THIS RESOLUTION ALSO AUTHORIZES THE MAYOR'S SIGNATURE FOR THIS AGREEMENT PASSED AND ADOPTED THIS 24TH DAY OF APRIL, 2025, APPROVED BY MYSELF AND ATTEST BY ROAD DEPLOYMENT TO THE CLERK. AND THIS AGAIN GIVES US A BACKUP IN CASE SOMETHING HAPPENS WITH CSRS OR SOMETHING HAPPENS WITH GRANT WORKS, WE'RE ABLE TO CALL ON EITHER ONE OF THEM RIDE SERVICES. I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 23 DASH 2025. MOVED BY COUNCIL PERSON BOND, SECOND BY I'LL SECOND COUNCIL PERSON MEDICS DISCUSSION AGAIN, A BACKUP PLAN, HEARING. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. I'LL ENTERTAIN A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. IT'S UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM BE CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTS TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 24 DASH 2025 APPOINTING MEMBERS TO THE PARKS OF RECREATION BOARD AND IT WOULD BE CITY OF CL RESOLUTION NUMBER 24 DASH 2025 APPOINTING MEMBERS TO THE PARK AND RECREATION BOARD. WHEREAS SECTION 82 DASH 36 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF CLU, MISSOURI COUNTY, TEXAS, PROVIDES FOR A CREATION OF A PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD CONSISTING OF EITHER FIVE OR SEVEN CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF CLU, EACH OF WHOM SHALL BE APPOINTED FOR A TERM OF TWO YEARS. AND WHEREAS POSITIONS FOUR AND FIVE EXPIRE IN MAY, 2025 AND THE CITY COUNCIL HAVE SAID CITY DESIRES TO FILL THESE POSITIONS NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF FLUTE, BRAZORIA COUNTY, TEXAS. FIRST THAT SUZANNE PARAMORE IS HEREBY REAPPOINTED TO FIELD POSITION FOUR, WHICH EXPIRES IN MAY 20, 27 AND SECOND THAT SHERRY ATKINS IS HEREBY REAPPOINTED TO FIELD POSITION FIVE, WHICH EXPIRES IN MAY OF 2027. THIRD, THAT THIS RESOLUTION AFTER EXECUTION AND ATTESTATION SHALL BE MAINTAINED IN THE PERMANENT RECORDS OF THE CITY OF BLUE TEXAS. READ PASSED, APPROVED THIS 24TH DAY OF APRIL, 2025 AD SIGNED BY MYSELF AND TESTIFY BY ROSE EMPLOYMENT CITY CLERK. DO HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 24 DASH 2025. SO MOVED, MOVED BY COUNCILPERSON BONDS. SECOND. BYE. I'LL SECOND COUNCILPERSON MADDOX. SORRY MY VOICE IS STILL NOT BACK. DISCUSSION. WERE THESE THE ONLY TWO APPLICATIONS THAT WERE RECEIVED? I DON'T KNOW. I SPOKE TO WILL SAID THEY WANTED TUESDAY ON AND DID SAY ANYTHING ABOUT . OKAY. I KNOW THEY'VE BOTH BEEN ON THAT BOARD FOR QUITE A WHILE. YES, THEY DO A GREAT JOB. SHERRY HAS BEEN ON THERE FOR A LONG TIME. YEAH. 2020 YEARS. 20 PLUS YEARS PROBABLY. WELL, WE APPRECIATE THAT. MM-HMM . [01:20:03] ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? DID I GET A MOTION ON A SECOND? YES. YES. YEAH. ANY FURTHER DISCUSS HEARING DONE? I'LL ENTERTAIN A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR. A UNANIMOUS NEXT ITEM IS CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTS TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 25 DASH 2025 FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN, WHICH INCLUDES A DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN REQUIRED BY THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD AND IT RESOLUTION NUMBER 25 DASH 1 25. A RESOLUTION OF THE CLU CITY OF KLU, TEXAS APPROVING THE FORMAL WATER CONSERVATION PLAN AS REQUIRED UNDER THE TEXAS WATER CODE AND THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD. WHEREAS THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE HAS CHARGED THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD TWDB WITH DEVELOPING GUIDELINES AND REQUIREMENTS FOR WATER CONSERVATION AMONG ALL WATER SYSTEMS ACROSS THE STATE. AND WHEREAS TWDB HAS SET A DEADLINE OF MAY 1ST, 2025 FOR THE DRAFTING AND ADOPTION OF SET PLANS BY EACH WATER SYSTEM. AND WHEREAS THE CITY'S PUBLIC WORK DIRECTOR HAS WORKED WITH T-E-W-D-B TO DEVELOP A PLAN ENSURING COMPLIANCE WITH STATE CODE NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF CITY OF INCLUDE TEXAS, THAT THE ATTACHED WATER CONSERVATION PLAN IS HEREBY APPROVED AND ADOPTED BY THE CITY OF P FLUTE. PAST THAT APPROVED THIS 24TH DAY OF APRIL, 2024, SIGNED BY MYSELF AND TESTED BY ROSA VILLE, CITY CLERK. BASICALLY WHAT THIS IS, IS THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN THAT IS REQUIRED EVERY FIVE YEARS THAT WE UPDATE OR, OR RENEW THIS PLAN. UM, THERE'S THREE PARTS OF THIS PLAN, THIS PARTICULAR PLAN HERE. UH, THE WATER EVENT BOARD HAD ASKED THE REQUESTED THAT WE MAKE SOME UPDATES ON IT TO BE IN LINE WITH SOME OF THE OTHERS IN THIS PLAN. FIRST PORTION OF IT COVERS THE TARGETING GOALS THAT WE SET FOR OURSELVES TOWARDS WATER CONSERVATION ON IF, IF YOU GOT THAT IN FRONT OF YOU. THE SECOND PAGE SHOWS SOME OF THE GOALS AND WHERE EVERY FIVE YEARS, BEGINNING 20 20, 20 30, AND THEN 10 YEAR GOAL FOR 2035 WHERE WE ANTICIPATE OURSELVES TO BE IN THE GALLONS PER COST, UH, LOSS AND, AND, UH, WATER LOSS PERCENTAGES WITHIN OUR CITY. UM, IS THIS BREAKDOWN GOING INTO THIS WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT THE FIVE YEAR, 10 YEAR GOALS, THINGS THAT WE WILL DO AS A CITY TO, UH, MINIMIZE WATER LOSS. PART OF THE ADDITIONS THAT WERE PUT INTO THIS FOR OUR PUBLIC EDUCATION, WHERE WE WILL PRESENT PROGRAMS TO SCHOOLS AND SMALLER KIDS TO WHERE WE CAN GET THEM TO SEE WHERE THEY CAN CONSERVE WATER. UM, ALSO IN, IN THIS PLAN FOR A PORTION OF IT, UM, IF YOU NOTICE ON, I WANNA SAY IT'S PAGE THREE OF THE RESIDENT OF THE, OF THE PLAN, IT TALKS ABOUT THE WATER AND SEWER RIGHTS. WE'VE INCLUDED A COPY OF THE ACTUAL RIGHT STRUCTURE FOR THE WATER AND SEWER BILL FOR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. I GAVE AN EXAMPLE IN THERE TO SHOW IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEIR BILL WAS, HOW THEY GO ABOUT DOING THAT. UH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE REQUESTS THAT THEY HAD THAT WE PUT INTO THE PLAN AS WELL. UM, IN THIS PLAN, THERE IS A COPY OF THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN. THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN IS ACTUALLY AN ORDINANCE. UH, WE HAVE NOT DONE ANY CHANGES TO THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN THAT WOULD'VE TO BE DONE SEPARATELY. THERE'S JUST A COPY OF IT THAT IS ATTACHED IN THIS REPORT IS WHAT WE, WE WOULD DO. THAT'S ONE OF THE REQUESTS THAT THEY HAVE FOR THIS PARTICULAR WATER CONSERVATION PLAN. IN THE BACK SECTION OF THIS IS THE UTILITY PROFILE. THIS IS A REPORT THAT IS FILLED OUT EACH YEAR AND IT GIVES YOU A BREAKDOWN OF A LOT OF INFORMATION WITH REGARDS TO THE WATER THAT WE TAKE IN WHAT WE PROJECT THE POPULATION TO BE WITHIN THE CITY. UM, IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT WHAT THE WATER, THE SEWER WASTEWATER THAT WE'VE TAKEN IN THROUGH THE WASTEWATER PLANT, UH, SINCE WE ARE, WE TAKE IN RICHWOOD AS WELL. THEY ARE LISTED IN HERE AS LIKE AN UNMETERED SIDE OF IT. BUT THE UTILITY PROFILE JUST GIVES YOU MORE OF A BREAKDOWN WHERE ALL THE NUMBERS AND GOALS CAME FROM. UM, AS I SAID, THAT'S A REPORT THAT'S, THAT'S REQUIRED TO BE SUBMITTED EACH YEAR, BUT BEFORE MAY 1ST, ALL OF THOSE REPORTS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED. THIS HERE IS, IS IS THE FINAL REPORT THAT I WILL SUBMIT THE GOALS WITH A COPY OF THIS NEW WATER CONS CONSERVATION PLAN AS A RE RESOLUTION AND IT WILL BE DONE, UH, FIRST PART OF NEXT WEEK, WHICH WILL MEET THE MAY 1ST DEADLINE. BUT IN THE UTILITY PROFILE, LIKE I SAID, IT, IT TALKS ABOUT THE CAPACITY OF WHAT WE HAVE AS FAR AS WATER STORAGE. UH, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE STORAGE CAPACITY OF, UH, 1,750,000 GALLONS, WHICH THAT INCLUDES OUR GROUND STORAGE TANK IN OUR ELEVATED TANK. UM, HE GIVES YOU A BREAKDOWN OF OUR, UM, HIGHEST [01:25:01] VOLUME CUSTOMERS ON PAGE FOUR OF 12 OF THAT UTILITY PROFILE. THOSE ARE A LIST OF OUR FIVE HIGHEST USAGE CUSTOMERS IN THIS PLAN. UH, IT'S A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION. THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT THEY WANTED AS IN ADDED TO THE WATER CONSERVATION COUNCIL. THIS IS JUST MORE OF A RESOLUTION TO MEET THAT FIVE YEAR REQUIREMENT. AND BEGINNING IN 2025, WE'LL BE ON A FIVE YEAR WHERE 2030 WILL THEN NEED TO REDO THIS 2035 AND SO ON. SO IT ALSO HELPS WITH, IF WE EVER DO FUNDING OR GRANT MONEY THROUGH THE WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD, THESE ARE, THIS IS ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE DONE. SO IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION. IF YOU GOT QUESTIONS OR YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT, DO WE HAVE ALL THE NECESSARY SOFTWARE TO GET THESE ALERTS OR WHEN YOU SAY ALERT, I KNOW WE HAVE A PLAN AND YES. DOING THAT. BUT AS FAR AS I KIND OF GO THROUGH HERE AND LIST THE THINGS THAT MAYBE IT MIGHT RED FLAG, DO WE HAVE A WAY OF RECEIVING A LOT OF THESE AREAS THE JURY MUST BE REFERRING TO IS IN THAT FIRST SECTION WHERE THE BROKEN PIPE, EMPTY PIPE OUTTA LEAK, DETECTIVE AND TAMPER YES. THOSE ARE PART OF THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE WITH THE AUTOMATIC METER READING. UH, YOU, IF YOU'RE REFERRING TO VACANT CONSUMPTION DEAL, THERE ARE SOME OF THOSE THAT IN THOSE DEALS WHERE YOU CAN SEEK THAT, IF THE INFORMATION IS PUT INTO, IF IT, IF IT IS RECEIVED THROUGH THE SYSTEM, THEN YOU CAN FIND IT. YES, IT DOES COME THROUGH. NOT EVERYWHERE. I'VE, I'VE PULLED THOSE REPORTS AND UM, I'VE EVEN LOOKED TO SEE WHERE THAT REPORT IS. IT'S, THE SYSTEM PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE UPDATED A LITTLE BIT OR CHANGED TO WHERE IT IS MORE ACCURATE. AND I WILL SAY THAT WE'VE STARTED THE PROCESS OF THAT TRANSITION FROM ENCODE AND THE BILLING SOFTWARE FROM, I'M JUST CURIOUS. I KNOW THAT STUFF CHANGES AS FAR AS HOW IT ALERTS US OR WE ALERT OR I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THAT WELL, YOU GET INTO PIPES, WE DO LEAK DETECTIONS TO WHERE YOU GOTTA REALIZE WHAT WHAT IT LOOKS FOR WHEN IT DOES THAT. IT HAS TO BE OVER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME. SURE. IF IT STOPS AND IT GIVES A PAST VALIDATION, IT STOPS THAT REPORT. BUT IF IT'S A CONTINUOUS, WHERE IT'S A, LET'S SAY A RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER OR A COMMERCIAL, AT THAT POINT, IF THEY HAVE A CONTINUOUS USAGE, THEN YOU CAN PULL A LEAK REPORT. BUT THAT IT'S ONLY GOOD TO THE POINT WHERE, YEAH. IF IT GOES FOR SO LONG NOW WE CAN PULL THE REPORTS. WE DO BLUE TAG RESIDENTIAL HOMES, UH, WHERE IF WE PUT A BLUE TAG ON THERE FOR, FOR STUFF LIKE THAT, YES. BUT NOT NECESSARILY AS FAR AS AN ALERT. WELL, WE'RE WORKING ON OKAY. GETTING THAT IMPLEMENTED. YES, SIR. ALRIGHT. THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S IT. OKAY. JOHN, AND I'M GONNA PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. WHAT WAS OUR PERCENTAGE READ THIS LAST DAY WITH LAST TIME WITH THE A MR? WHAT PERCENTAGE, WHAT, WHAT PERCENTAGE YIELD DID WE GET ON THE RADIO READS? UH, I'M SORRY, I WHAT PERCENTAGE? ON THE RADIO READS. RADIO READS OUR WHEN ON WATER LOSS. WE, RIGHT NOW WE ARE REREADING TWO, WE HAD 284 REREADS. WE HAD TO DO, UH, IN FACT WE'RE FINISHING 'EM UP PROBABLY, IF NOT TODAY, TOMORROW, UH, WE PULL READS ON THE 23RD AND THEREFORE THE 20TH. AND THEN WHAT DOESN'T READ, THEN WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND READ. OUT OF 33, 3400 METERS, WE WE'RE DOWN TO 200. AND ACTUALLY IT WAS 235. UM, THIS GO ROUND OWN. NOW SOME OF THE, THE METERS, THEY HAVE A, A BATTERY LIFE IN THEM. THE LARGER METERS ABOVE ONE INCH, WHICH IS AN INCH AND A HALF ON UP TO EIGHT INCH, THEIR BATTERY LIFE IS ABOUT 10 YEARS. AND WHEN I SAY 10 YEARS, 10 YEARS IN ONE MONTH, YOU'RE STARTING TO GET A FLASHING SYMBOL. YOU, IT SORT OF GIVES YOU A, WHEN YOU GO OUT, IT STOPS A STOP READING THROUGH THE TOWER. IT STILL READING IN THE METER, BUT IT'S SORT OF A WARNING THAT YOU NEED TO LOOK AT CHANGING THIS REGISTER. YOU GOT TO, YOU'RE ON A TIMEFRAME THEN TO CHANGE THOSE REGISTERS OUT. AND SO WE, WE ELECTED TO GO TO CHANGING THE REGISTERS OUT AS OPPOSED TO CHANGING THE METERS. 'CAUSE YOU CAN CHANGE THEIR DIAL OUT ON THAT, THAT METER WITHOUT HAVING TO CHANGE THE WHOLE METER OUT. WHICH, UH, YOU ARE LOOKING AT 2300 A METER TO ABOUT 300 A REGISTER AND RESIDENTIAL METERS. WE, UH, THOSE METERS HAVE BEEN IN THE GROUND FOR RIGHT AT 10 YEARS. THEY HAVE A 20 YEAR LIFE ON THE BATTERY. HOWEVER, IN THIS AREA HERE, UM, RIGHT NOW I'VE GOT ABOUT A [01:30:01] HUNDRED METERS I'M FIXING TO RETURN TO GET REPLACED FOR DEAD BATTERIES. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT METERS, SIR. ARE WE, ARE WE HAVING A BETTER LUCK WITH PEOPLE NOT DESTROYING THE NO, SIR. STILL THE SAME. UH, WE, WE WERE DOING CONSTANTLY DOING METER REPAIRS. WE COULD, WE COULD AVERAGE AROUND FOUR 400 METER REPAIRS A MONTH. THAT COULD BE FROM A BROKEN HUB, PEOPLE RUNNING OVER THE WIRE, CUTTING THE WIRES. UM, DID YOU SAY 400 A MONTH? WELL, THE REPAIRS COULD BE MINOR. OH. BUT WHAT WE DO IS IF WE'RE NOT GETTING A READING, UH, FROM A METER OR WHEN THEY DO WORK SERVICE ORDERS OR THEY GO OUT AND DO REREADS, WE WRITE DOWN WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE METER. IF IT'S NOT READING, THEN WE HAVE TO SEND SOMEBODY OUT THERE. AND IT MAY BE CHANGING THE HUB, IT MAY BE CHANGING THE CLIP WHERE THE WIRE CABLE TIES INTO IT. UM, ANY OF THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. THE, THE HUBS ON TOP OF THE METERS, SOMEBODY CAN HIT THOSE THINGS AND BREAK 'EM OFF. IF THEY DON'T BREAK THE TRANSMITTER ITSELF, THEN IT'S JUST REPLACING THE HUB. THOSE HUBS ARE ABOUT $25 A PIECE. IF, IF WE DON'T HAVE TO, IF WE REPLACE THE WHOLE TRANSMITTER, IT'S ABOUT $155 PIECE. SO IF PARTS OF IT, WE BUY THE PARTS, ANYTHING FROM THE CLIP, IT GOES ON THE BACK OF THAT, UH, BACK OF THE TRANSMITTER TO THE CABLE TO HOUSING OF THE, UH, TRANSMITTER TO THE HUB. SO IT'S, WE KEEP A LOT OF THOSE IN STOCK, BUT WE'RE CONSTANTLY HAVING TO GO OUT AND REPLACE 'EM. AND WE'RE, I'M JUST THINKING SOMEBODY DOING 10, 12 A DAY OR 15 A DAY. YEAH. I MEAN, WE'VE GOT TWO GUYS THAT ARE EVERY DAY THEY'RE OUT THERE DOING METER REPAIRS. AND AS WE ENTER MOWING SEASON IT GETS WORSE BECAUSE EVERYBODY LIKES TO SET THAT BLADE REAL LOW. SO, AND WE DON'T, OR WE DO CHARGE FOR THAT OR PERIODICALLY WE JUDGE CHARGE FOR THOSE. BUT THAT'S AN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, IF WE KNOW THEY DAMAGED IT, UH, AND WE CAN PROVE THE DAMAGE IN, WE TRY TO SEEK COVER FOR THE DAMAGE THAT WAS DONE. UM, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT PUTTING IT INTO, HAVE MORE TEETH INTO IT TO WHERE IF THEY'RE PEOPLE THAT GO OUT THERE AND MOW IT, THEY, THEY'LL RUN OVER THE METER IN THIS AREA HERE, THE METER BOX CAN BE LEVEL OF THE GROUND, BUT IF YOU HAVE A DROUGHT, THE GROUND'S GONNA SHRINK. RAISING THE, KEEPING THE METER BUCKS ABOVE THE GROUND. THEY'LL GO OVER THAT METER BOX WITH THEIR MOWER AND THAT'S WHEN THEY BREAK THOSE HUBS OFF. AND IF THEY CUT THAT TRANSMITTER, THE PLASTIC ON IT, THE TRANSMITTER'S NO GOOD. JESUS. OKAY. I UNDERSTAND ACCIDENT, BUT, UH, REPEATED ACCIDENTS, . YEAH, THAT'S SOME TYPE OF, NORMALLY WHEN IT'S TWO AND THREE IN A, IN THE COURSE OF A YEAR, WE, YOU GET WE START CHARGER. YEP. KINDA LIKE IF YOU LOST YOUR LIBRARY CARD WHEN YOU WERE A KID. DOESN'T COST YOU ANYTHING ALLY. YEAH, THAT'S WHERE WE LEARNED ACCOUNTABILITY. SOME OF, SO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WITH REGARDS TO THE WATER CONSERVATION PLANT OR, NO. THANK YOU, JOHN, SIR. GOOD JOB. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 25 DASH 2025. SO MOVED. MOVE BY COUNCILMAN CHRIS. I'LL SECOND. COUNCILMAN LAR. MAKE SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION. THANK YOU, JOHN. ENTERTAIN A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR A AYE. UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM IS CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 26 DASH 1 25 APPROVING THE REVISED BYLAWS FOR THE GULF COAST TRANSIT DISTRICT BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND FORMERLY APPOINTING A PROPERTY TO THE BOARD. IT WOULD BE RESOLUTION NUMBER 26 DASH 2025, RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF CLU, TEXAS, APPROVING THE REVISIONS TO THE BYLAWS OF THE GULF COAST TRANSIT DISTRICT GC TD BOARD AND APPOINTED PROXY TO SERVE IN THE ABSENCE OF AN ELECTED APPOINTEE. WHEREAS CHAPTER 4 58 OF THE TEXAS TRANSPORTATION CODE NAPLES THE CREATION OF RURAL AND URBAN TRANSIT DISTRICTS. WHEREAS THE CITY OF INCLUDE WAS A FOUNDING MEMBER OF THE GULF COAST TRANSIT DISTRICT, GCTD, AS A SUCCESSOR AGENCY TO THE RURAL AND URBAN TRANSIT SYSTEM OPERATED BY THE GULF COAST CENTER. AND WHEREAS GCTD IS A TREMENDOUS RESOURCE TO THE LOCAL ECONOMY AND OUR RESIDENTS, WHEREAS GCTD HAS BEEN UNDERGOING A PERIOD OF REORGANIZATION AND RENEWAL, PART OF WHICH INVOLVES A COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF THE ORGAN ORGANIZATION STRUCTURE, FINANCES AND OPERATIONS. WHEREAS PART OF THAT RECORD REORGANIZATION INCLUDES REVIEW AND REVISIONS OF THE AGENCY'S GOVERNANCE, WHEREAS THAT REVIEW PRODUCED RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE AGENCY'S COUNCIL TO REVISE THE BYLAWS OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS TO ENSURE ALIGNMENT WITH THE TEXAS TRANSPORTATION CODE. AND WHEREAS SUCH PROVISIONS WERE MADE, PRESENTED [01:35:01] TO AND ADOPTED BY THE C-G-C-T-D BOARD OF DIRECTORS ON APRIL 15TH, 2025 TO MAKE PROVISIONS FOR OFFICER SO, OR EX OFFICER, SO MEMBERS, AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF INCLUDE WISHES TO FORMALLY APPROVE THE REVISION TO THE GCTD BYLAWS, THAT THEREBY FORMALLY APPOINTED A PROXY MEMBER TO SERVE IN THE ABSENCE OF AN ELECTED OFFICIAL. NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF CITY OF CLUTE, TEXAS, THAT THE REVISIONS OF THE GCTC BYLAWS ATTACHED HERE TO ARE APPROVED FURTHER THAT THE CITY COUNCIL RENEWS ITS APPOINTMENT OF THE MAYOR OF THE CITY'S ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES AND THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICIAL PROXY FOR DURATION OF THE TERM INCLUDED BY THE BYLAWS PASSED AND APPROVED THIS 24TH DAY OF APRIL, 2025, SIGNED BY MYSELF, ATTESTED BY ROSIE APPOINTMENT CITY CLERK. THIS CONTINUES THE, UH, THE WORK WE STARTED LAST YEAR IN TRYING TO, UH, REORGANIZE THE, UH, THE DISTRICT, UH, COUNCIL POINTED OUT THAT THE TRANSPORTATION CODE, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS THAT MADE UP THE ORIGINAL BOARD, UH, THAT WEREN'T ELECTED. AND UNDER THE CODE, IT HAS TO BE AN ELECTED INDIVIDUAL OR A FORMALLY NAMED PROXY BY THE GOVERNING BODY. AND SO IN ORDER TO ENSURE WE HAVE BOARD FUNCTIONALITY, UH, AND ALSO TO ASSIST WITH QUORUM, UH, THE DECISION WAS MADE TO MODIFY THE BYLAWS TO REFLECT STATE LAW, TO GET US IN LINE. AND SO, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO. I'LL POINT OUT, A LOT OF TIMES THEY HAVE THESE MEETINGS HOUR AND A HALF AWAY AND I CAN'T MAKE IT AND GET BACK AND STILL DO BUSINESS. SO CJ CAN MAKE IT AND VOTE FOR US. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. GREAT HELP. THAT'S THE WAY IT IS NOW, ISN'T YOU? YES, SIR. OKAY, I'LL FIX THAT. I THOUGHT HE WAS. YEAH, I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN SERVING IN THAT CAPACITY, BUT THIS FORMALIZES MY ROLE BECAUSE AS A NON ELECTED OFFICIAL IN MY VOTE, IT DOESN'T COUNT. IT GIVES HIM A VOTE. JUST A VOICE. YOU NEED MOTION? YES, SIR. SO MOVED. MOVE BY COUNCILOR CHRIS SECOND ABOUT, I'LL SECOND COUNCIL PERSON. MADDOX DISCUSSION. I DID ALSO WANT TO NOTE THERE'S GONNA BE A, A MINOR SERVICE CHANGE. WE'VE BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT THE FIXED ROUTE OR THE LACK THEREOF. THEY'RE GOING TO PILOT A NEW FIXED ROUTE CONNECTING FREEPORT THE COLLEGE INCLUDE AND THEN ANGLETON THAT CAN BE ACCESSED VIA THE POINT TO POINT SYSTEM. AND THEN WE'RE GONNA ROLL OUT SOME DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR THE POINT TO POINT SYSTEM AS THE COURSE OF THE SUMMER GOES ON. SO WE'RE MAKING MOVES, I THINK, IN THE RIGHT WAY TO KIND OF IDENTIFY BETTER AND ALIGN BETTER WITH WHAT OUR CUSTOMERS ARE TELLING US. MOTION THEN A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM WILL BE CONSIDERATION OF HOSPITAL ACTION TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER OH 11 DASH 2025. UPDATED PROVISIONS REGARDING THE SERVICE OF ALCOHOL IN THE CITY OF FLUTE. IT WILL BE ORDINANCE NUMBER OH 11 DASH 2025. ORDINANCE OF CITY OF FLUTE, MISSOURI COUNTY, TEXAS, AMENDING CHAPTER 10, ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AMENDING SECTION 10.2 DEFINITIONS 10.3, RETAIL SALE FOR ON-PREMISES CONSUMPTION, 10.6, LOCAL FEES AND ADDING STRUCTURE, ADDING SECTION 10 DASH SEVEN PENALTIES, UPDATED ORDINANCES TO MATCH CURRENT PROVISIONS AND ELIMINATING GRANDFATHER'S LOCATIONS, PROVIDING FOR FINDINGS OF FACT ENACTMENT, REPEAL SUB ABILITY, EFFECTIVE DATE OF PROPER NOTICE. AND MEETING ALL THE FURTHER MR. DUNTON. OKAY. SO, UM, WITH REGARD TO THE, THE CELL OF ALCOHOL IN THE CITY OF CLU, UH, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT WORKS IS, UH, LET'S SAY A A A NEW BUSINESS WANTS TO GET A LIQUOR LICENSE OR A LICENSE TO SELL BEER OR MIXED BEVERAGES OR WHATEVER. UM, AND THEY'LL SUBMIT THEIR APPLICATION. T-A-B-C-T-A-B-C SENDS IT TO, UH, ROSIE, AND THEN ROSIE REVIEWS AND SHE SIGNS AND SAYS, OKAY, THEY'RE WITHIN OUR RULES OR NOT WITHIN OUR RULES TO SELL. AND, UM, ROSIE AND I, AND A LOT OF TIMES SHE'LL ASK ME AND CONFER WITH ME OR WHATEVER, AND WE HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS AND FOR LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WE KNOW WHAT THE RULE IS BECAUSE IT'S ON THE TABC WEBSITE. BUT WE'VE HAD SOME KIND OF CONFUSION ABOUT, WELL, HOW DID THE CITY OF CLU GET HERE? BECAUSE WE CAN LOOK AT THE TABC ELECTION INFORMATION ON THEIR WEBSITE AND WE'RE TRYING TO MATCH UP THE ELECTIONS WITH WHAT THE RULES ARE. AND, UH, WE'VE, AND THEN WE'VE HAD QUITE A BIT OF QUESTION LIKE, HOW DID WE GET TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY? SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE INCLUDED IS THE, THE HISTORY OF ALCOHOL CELLS FOR THE WHOLE HISTORY OF THE CITY OF CLUT AND WHAT THE CHANGES WERE TO OUR ORDINANCES. UM, UH, BECAUSE OUR [01:40:01] ORDINANCE AND NOT SURPRISING A LOT OF OUR ORDINANCES ARE SOMEWHAT OUT OF DATE. AND OUR ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE DIDN'T MATCH WITH WHAT THE RULES ARE HERE IN THE CITY OF CLU. UM, AND, UH, AND SO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAD IS THAT, UH, UM, I DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE OLD ORDINANCES. I'M NOT ON, I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE, THE HARD DRIVE WITH THE CITY. SO I COULDN'T LOOK AT THE, WHAT THE OLD ORDINANCE IS AND PUT IT TOGETHER AND FIGURE OUT, WELL, HOW DID WE GET TO THIS PLACE? RIGHT? UM, BUT, UM, UH, LANDON, OUR IT GUY, UH, GOT OUR, GOT THE OLD ORDINANCES AND THE HISTORICAL ORDINANCES AND HE PULLED 'EM OFF THE HARD DRIVE AND PUT 'EM ON A SEPARATE DEAL SO THAT I WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCESS AND LOOK AT THE OLD ORDINANCES AND SEE. AND SO WHAT I DID WAS I WENT THROUGH AND LOOKED AT ALL THE ORDINANCES THAT HAVE BEEN PASSED, UM, HERE IN THE CITY OF CLUT AND, UH, PUT TOGETHER, UH, THE HISTORICAL GUIDELINE OF, UH, AND SO I'VE INCLUDED THAT FOR Y'ALL TO LOOK AT AND SEE. AND, AND ONE THING IS, I GUESS AT, AT, UH, SOME PRIOR TO 1968 OR SO, UH, ALL BARS WERE LEGAL AND APPARENTLY AS THE, AS THE MERIT POINTED OUT PREVIOUSLY, THAT THERE WERE A LOT OF BARS, RIGHT? AND SO THE ORDINANCE PASSED, I BELIEVE, I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I, YEAH, I GAVE Y'ALL THE, THE, THE HISTORY, I THINK IT WAS 1968 THAT THEY, UH, ORDINANCE WAS PASSED AND IT, AND THE, IT WAS OUTLAWED. UH, BUT THOSE BARS THAT WERE ALREADY IN EXISTENCE WERE QUOTE UNQUOTE GRANDFATHER. AND I THINK AT THAT TIME, THERE WAS SOMETHING LIKE 16 OF THEM, 19. 19. AND THEN, AND THEN, SO THEN THROUGH THE YEARS, YOU KNOW, IF THEY DIDN'T, IF THEY WEREN'T OPERATIONAL FOR 90 DAYS, THEN THEY, THROUGH THE YEARS OF, FROM TIME TO TIME THAT ORDINANCE WAS MODIFIED AND THEY WERE TAKEN OFF. UH, WE HAVEN'T TAKEN 'EM OFF FOR A LONG TIME. AND SO, UH, THIS ORDINANCE, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE IS REMOVE THOSE GRANDFATHERED LOCATIONS. SO NOW THERE'S ONLY, UH, ONE LOCATION THAT STILL EXISTS. TRACK FOUR 40, A DIVISION 14, UH, THAT'S STILL ACTIVE ON PREMISES, UH, BEER THAT'S NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE A FOOD SERVICE, FOOD AND BEVERAGE RESTAURANT. OKAY? SO NOW THERE'S ONLY ONE REMAINING, UH, LOCATION IN THE CITY OF KLU. SO ONE OF THE CHANGES THAT IS IN THIS, UM, NEW ORDINANCE, IT REMOVES THOSE THAT ARE, THEY NO LONGER HAVE THE GRANDFATHERING. AND, UH, SO NOW WE ONLY HAVE ONE REMAINING IN ADDITION IN THE PARKS FOR THE GREAT, UH, THE MOSQUITO FESTIVAL OR OTHER PARKS AVID ACTIVITIES, UH, CO-SPONSORED BY THE CITY. THE OTHER CHANGE, UH, PRIMARY CHANGE, UH, IN THIS IS THAT, UM, WE, UM, CORRECTED IT. SO THE SITUATION NOW IS THAT, UH, IF YOU RUN A RESTAURANT, UH, CAFE AS DEFINED ALREADY IN THE ORDINANCE AND YOU'RE NOT EXCEEDING, UH, 50% OF SALES FOR ALCOHOL FOR BOTH BEER, WINE, AND MIXED DRINKS, AND YOU HAVE A FOOD AND BEVERAGE CERTIFICATE, THEN YOU CAN HAVE THE, THE LIQUOR LICENSE TO, SO TO SERVE MIXED BEVERAGES OR BEER AND WINE WITH THAT FOOD AND BEVERAGE PERMIT THAT'S RECEIVED FROM TABC. SO WE'VE, UH, CLARIFIED THAT. UM, UH, OUR PRIOR ORDINANCE ONLY SAID BEER. UH, HOW, HOWEVER, UH, THE CURRENT RULES THROUGH THE CHANGES AND THROUGH THE COUNTYWIDE ELECTION THAT HAPPENED, I THINK IN 2006, UM, IT, UH, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO SELL MIXED BEVERAGES IS KIND OF OBVIOUS. 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY EL EL TORO SERVES MIXED BEVERAGES, RIGHT? UM, BUT OUR ORDINANCE ONLY ALLOWED BEER DIDN'T MENTION WINE OR MIXED BEVERAGES. UM, THE OTHER, UH, PRIMARY CHANGE, AND WE, UH, HAD THE DISCUSSION WITH STAFF, WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND SO FORTH, IS WE HAD A REQUIREMENT THAT ALL RESTAURANTS THAT ARE SERVING ALCOHOL, BEER, WINE MIX BEVERAGE, THEY WERE REQUIRED IN OUR, UNDER OUR ORDINANCE TO FILE WITH THE CITY SECRETARY A FINANCIAL REPORT EVERY QUARTER TO VERIFY THAT THEY'RE NOT EXCEEDING THEIR ALLOTTED 50% FOR ALCOHOL SALES. UM, BUT AS FAR AS WE COULD SEE OR RECALL, NOBODY'S EVER FILED THOSE REPORTS. NONE OF THE RESTAURANTS HAD FILED THE REPORTS, EVEN THOUGH THE ORDINANCE SAID YOU GOTTA REFILE THE REPORT, RIGHT? BUT I NOTICED THAT, UM, THERE WAS NO PENALTY PROVISION IN THE ORDINANCE. SO IF THEY NEVER DID IT, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING THAT WE COULD DO ABOUT IT, RIGHT? AND SO, UM, IN THIS, IN THE DISCUSSION, UH, WE CAME UP WITH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UM, THE, UH, THE PROVIDERS ARE RE ARE REQUIRED TO PRODUCE, UH, CERTAIN, UH, REPORTS AND THEN, AND PAY A FEE TO THE CITY [01:45:01] ANNUALLY. UH, THAT ANNUAL FEE, UH, FOR REREGISTRATION OR WHATEVER WITH THE CITY, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN THE TIME TO FILE THOSE, UH, IS A GOOD TIME TO FILE THOSE FINANCIAL REPORTS. UM, THOSE REPORTS AND THE REREGISTRATION WERE DUE ON THE ANNIVERSARY DATE OF THEIR LICENSE EACH YEAR, AND IT'S A PERCENTAGE OF WHAT THEY PAY THE, THE STATE EACH YEAR, UH, TABC. AND SO WHAT WE DID IS, UH, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO DO IT ANNUALLY, BUT HAVE IT FOLLOW THE CALENDAR YEAR SO THAT FROM NOW ON, IF Y'ALL ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE ON FEBRUARY 1ST OF EVERY YEAR, UH, THE RESTAURANTS WILL BE REQUIRED TO FILE THEIR FINANCIAL REPORT TO SHOW WHAT ARE THEIR SALES OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES VERSUS WHAT ARE THEIR SALES OF ALL THEIR OTHER PRODUCTS, FOOD AND BEVERAGE PRODUCTS. I, SO, UM, AND WE HAVE A, UH, PENALTY THAT IF THEY DON'T DO IT NOW, THERE'S AN ACTUAL PENALTY. THEY COULD GET A CITATION AND PAY A FINE IF THEY DON'T, UH, FILE THAT REPORT. SO WE KIND OF BALANCED, UH, THE BURDEN, UH, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO DO IT FOUR TIMES A YEAR, IT'S ONLY ONE TIME A YEAR. INSTEAD OF HAVING, AND INSTEAD OF HAVING, UM, HAVE THE REPORT CERTIFIED BY CERTIFIED CPA, WE'RE JUST GONNA PROVIDE A FORM FOR THEM TO, UH, UH, TO, TO SIGN AND, AND HAVE THE, UM, THE, THE BUSINESS OWNER SIGN AND CERTIFY ON THEIR OWN CERTIFICATION, BUT NOT WITH THE CPA. UM, BUT THIS WOULD PROVIDE, UH, OPPORTUNITY FOR, FOR US TO, UH, KEEP TABS ON, UH, THE AMOUNT OF, UM, ALCOHOL VERSUS FOOD CELLS FOR ALL THESE ESTABLISHMENTS, BUT NOT PUT AN EXCESSIVE BURDEN ON THEM TO HAVE TO DO IT QUARTERLY. THEY NEED TO, UM, REPORT THOSE, UH, THOSE NUMBERS TO THE STATE ANYWAY. AND ALSO THEY WILL HAVE THEIR ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORTS THAT ALL BUSINESSES HAVE FOR THEIR INCOME TAXES AND SO FORTH. SO, UH, WE HAVE IT WHERE IT'S JUST AN ANNUAL, ANNUAL REPORT FOR THEM TO REPORT TO THE CITY. SO THE PRIMARY CHANGES ARE, ONCE AGAIN, TAKE OFF THE GRANDFATHERING OF FOLKS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN IN OPERATION FOR A LONG TIME, CLEAN THAT UP. UM, HAVE THE, UH, THE BUSINESSES, UH, MAKE AN ANNUAL REPORT AND HAVE THAT, UH, REPORT DONE ONLY ONCE A YEAR ANNUALLY. SO LET'S SAY A BUSINESS HAS 51% OF ALCOHOL SALES AS THEIR TOTAL. AS THEIR TOTAL, WHAT THEN, UH, WE CANNOT ENFORCE, THAT'S A-T-A-B-C RULE, UH, REGULATION. SO THE CITY CANNOT ENFORCE THAT. RIGHT? UH, WE COULD FORWARD THE INFORMATION ON THE T-B-T-A-B-C AND THAT WOULD BE UP TO THEM TO ENFORCE. WE BY STATE LAW, WE CANNOT ENFORCE TABC LAWS, RIGHT? SO IT, IT WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF THEIR PERMIT. WE, YOU KNOW, EVERY CITY HAS THE RULES OF WHAT THEY ALLOW, UH, AS PROVED BY VOTERS. AND SO WE HAVE OUR RULES AND WE ALLOW, UH, RESTAURANTS TO SERVE ON PREMISES, UH, CONSUMPTION, UH, FOR RESTAURANTS AS LONG AS THEY DON'T EXCEED THE 50%. SO, UH, THE ONLY THING WE CAN ENFORCE IS HAVE THEM FILE A REPORT AND, UH, WE COULD FIND THEM IF THEY DON'T FILE A REPORT, BUT IF THEY FILE THE REPORT AND THE REPORT SHOWS THAT THEY'RE SELLING MORE THAN 50% ALCOHOL, WE COULD FORWARD THAT TO TABC. AND THAT'S UP TO TABC TO ENFORCE IF THEY WANT TO OR NOT. DO THEY NOT HAVE TO REPORT THAT TO TABC ANYWAY? I'M NOT CERTAIN AS FAR AS WHAT THEIR REPORT REQUIRES. I KNOW THEY'RE REQUIRED TO REPORT THEIR TOTAL ALCOHOL SALES BECAUSE THEY'RE REQUIRED, REQUIRED TO PAY TAXES ON IT. RIGHT? IF, IF THEY'RE REQUIRED TO, UM, UH, DO A BREAKDOWN TO TABC, I'M NOT CERTAIN, BUT I DO KNOW THAT OUR ORDINANCE PREVIOUSLY HAD THE REQUIREMENT, BUT JUST NOBODY WAS DOING IT. UH, AND SO THIS ORDINANCE WOULD THEN, UH, 'CAUSE THERE WAS NO PENALTY. AND SO, UH, THIS ORDINANCE WOULD MAKE IT AN ANNUAL REPORT AND HAVE A PUNISH PUNISHMENT IF THEY DON'T. SO I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE, I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE REQUIRED TO REPORT THAT BREAKDOWN TO TABC ALREADY OR NOT. AND IF WE DO APPROVE THIS ORDINANCE GOING FORWARD, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO KNOW THAT THIS IS GOING INTO EFFECT? RIGHT. ARE WE GOING TO VISIT WITH THEM? YEAH. SO ACTUALLY ROSIE IS, IS, UH, UH, IN CONTACT WITH THE ALCOHOL SALES FOLKS ON A REGULAR BASIS. AND, UM, UH, SHE'S, UH, . WOW, MS. ROSIE, I WOULD, BECAUSE ESTABLISHMENT TO SPEAK, SHE NEEDS, SHE NEEDS TO BE AWARE. IT'S, IT IS HER JOB TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE IN THE COMPLIANCE, ESPECIALLY WHENEVER THEIR PERMIT COMES UP FOR RENEWAL. AND IF THEIR PERMIT COMES UP FOR RENEWAL, THEY, THEY WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY RENEWED UNLESS THE CITY WITHIN 60 DAYS OF THAT DEADLINE ALERT [01:50:01] THE TABC, THAT THEY'RE NOT, WE DON'T THINK THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE OR WE HAVE AN OBJECTION. RIGHT? SO THEY KIND OF PLACE THE BURDEN, JABC PLACES THE BURDEN ON US WHEN IT COMES TIME TO RENEWAL, UH, FOR RENEWAL OF THOSE LICENSES. AND SO THE BURDEN IS NOT ON US, BUT THE BURDEN IS ON ROSIE. AND ROSIE ACTUALLY HAS A GREAT DEAL OF STRESS, UH, YOU KNOW, PERFORMING HER DUTIES AS FAR AS APPROVING OR DISAPPROVING, UM, NEW APPLICATIONS OR APPLICATION RENEWALS, RIGHT? AND SO, UM, UH, I THINK SHE'S VERY DILIGENT AND IS IN CONTACT WITH ALL THE FOLKS THAT SELL ALCOHOL AND SHE KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND, AND WHAT THEIR STATUS IS. UM, AND SO SHE, I GUESS WOULD, UH, SHE'S ALREADY BEEN IN CONTACT WITH SEVERAL OF THEM ON FOOD BEVERAGE PER, UH, CERTIFICATES. UM, AND SO SHE WILL MAKE SURE AND GET THE WORD OUT AS FAR AS OF, OF COURSE WE PUBLISH IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE EVERYBODY REACH THE, THE LEGALS AND THE BRAND SUPPORT FACTS. BUT, UH, SHE WILL REACH OUT TO THEM AND SEND THEM WRITTEN NOTICES ABOUT THIS ORDINANCE AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY KNOW WHAT THE STATUS IS. CERTIFIED LETTER, I CAN'T, WE CAN DO CERTIFIED, BUT WE CAN ALSO DO MAIL. WE FIND THAT A VAST MAJORITY OF, WHEN WE SEND SOMETHING CERTIFIED, IT'S PERCEIVED TO BE PUNITIVE IN NATURE THAT JUST DOESN'T GET SIGNED FOR. AND SO WE'LL DELIVER IT VIA CERTIFIED AND REGULAR MAIL. AND WE'LL PROBABLY ALSO POP IN JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THE RULES. I WOULD GUESS THAT ROSIE WOULD CALL, MAKE AN ACTUAL PHONE CALL TO THEM TOO, BECAUSE SHE DOES THAT QUITE A BIT. AT LEAST WHEN I'M AROUND IN THE OFFICE, I SEE HER DOING THAT QUITE A BIT. SO WHO HAS THE TASK OF ISSUING THE CITATION THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD GO TO, WELL, WE'LL HAVE TO DECIDE. THAT WOULD BE A MANAGEMENT DECISION. ARE WE TALKING 20 PLACES? 25 PLACES? THAT MANY, YEAH. YOU'VE GOT ABOUT THAT MANY WOW. RESTAURANTS THAT SERVE ALCOHOL. HOW MANY RESTAURANTS SAY MAYBE LESS THAN 10. OH, THAT SERVE ALCOHOL ON, ON-PREMISE RESTAURANTS. WE DON'T HAVE ANY RESTAURANTS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY. RIGHT. BUT THE TOTAL SALES PLACES TOTAL, TOTAL SALES PLACES 20, 25. OH YEAH. BUT THIS IS, THIS IS ONLY, THIS IS JUST THE RESTAURANT. THIS IS ON, THIS IS ONLY RESTAURANTS ON, ON PREMISES CONSUMPTION. RIGHT. OKAY. AND SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY, I CAN'T THINK OF FIVE. YEAH. , WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY YET. A MEXICAN RESTAURANT LOST PAST ATLANTIC. CHRIS, YOU, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT, UH, YOU MADE EXCEPTIONS, OR THERE'S EXCEPTIONS FOR THE MOSQUITO FESTIVAL AND EVENTS THAT ARE PARTNERED WITH THE CITY. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE, UH, ORDINANCE ALREADY STATES. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALREADY, YEAH. I JUST CONTINUED TO THE, THE ORDINANCE COUNCIL, TYPICALLY THOSE, THOSE INVOLVE SOMEBODY THAT'S INVOLVED WITH THE MOSQUITO FESTIVAL HAVING A LICENSE. MM-HMM . WELL, I, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE GETTING TO AT, BECAUSE IN THE EXISTING ORDINANCE, IT SAYS YOU CAN ONLY SELL ALCOHOL AT THE PARKS IF THE CITY IS CO-HOSTING. THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THAT'S WHAT THE ORDINANCE HAS SAID PREVIOUSLY, AND I JUST CONTINUE THAT NOW. SO WE MAY HAVE, UH, OTHER EVENTS AT THE, AT THE PARK THAT HAVE NOT BEEN CO-HOSTED MM-HMM . OFFICIALLY CO-HOSTED. NOW I KNOW THAT, UH, I COUNSEL APPROVE THE USE OF THE PARK. RIGHT. UH, BUT IF YOU WANT TO, UH, CHANGE THAT, THAT THE, THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE TO ACTUALLY CO-HOST, BUT THE CITY HAS TO DO A SPECIFIC APPROVAL, THEN I CAN CHANGE THE ORDINANCE TO SAY THAT PERMITTED SOMETHING LIKE THAT. CORRECT. OKAY. BUT THAT, THAT'LL HAVE TO BE LATER ON. RIGHT? WHAT, OR CAN WE, WE, WE, WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE. IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WE WANNA PASS THE, THE EXISTING NO, UH, THE EXISTING ORDINANCE WITH THIS CHANGE. IF YOU WANT TO, IF YOU WANNA MAKE THAT, IF YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION AND MAKE THAT PART OF A MOTION. I'M, I'M JUST, I WAS, THAT WAS JUST MY ONLY THING. 'CAUSE CO-HOSTING AND BEING PERMITTED ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. TWO DIFFERENT THINGS IS, YEAH. ARE YOU POINTING TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE? I DON'T MAKE MOTION. NO MOTION YET. WE HAVE NO MOTION. I'M SORRY. THERE'S BEEN NO MOTION. MAY GET TO BE HONEST. UH, YOU KNOW, IF THE, I DON'T KNOW THAT, UH, IT WOULD, WHICH I WOULD CHANGE THE VERBIAGE TO APPROVED BY. APPROVED BY, APPROVED BY COUNSEL. COUNSEL. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, IF WE DON'T WANT TO, WE [01:55:01] DON'T WANT TO BE A CO-HOST OF ANYTHING. WE DON'T HAVE TO BE , JUST RELIABILITY PURPOSES. YEAH. , WE LEARNED OUT, WE'LL, BOUNTY HOUSES. YEAH. UH, CHRIS, WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST LANGUAGE TO, TO PUT ON THERE? PERMITTED BY THE CITY? UH, NO, NO. I, I WOULD SAY IF APPROVED BY THE, IF APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, IMPLICIT IN THAT, APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL MEANS, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE FORM OF A, A RE OF A RESOLUTION OR MOTION WITH THE MAJORITY OF THE QUORUM VOTE. RIGHT. SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO PUT THOSE DETAILS, JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, WITH APPROVAL BY CITY COUNCIL. OKAY. MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REVISE THE ORDINANCE, REVISE THE ORDINANCE, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE, TO APPROVE THIS ORDINANCE AND MAKE WITH A REVISION, MAKE A REVISION TO, UH, REWRITE, MAKE A REVISION TO ALLOW, UH, CELL OF ALCOHOL BEVERAGES IN THE CITY PARKS WITH COUNCIL APPROVAL. COUNCIL APPROVAL. CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT, AND EVENTS IN CITY PARKS, NOT EVENTS IN CITY PARKS WITH THANK YOU. COUNCIL APPROVAL. WE'RE REWRITING THAT ONE PART. CO-HOST. RIGHT. OKAY. HOW WOULD BOTH, UH, COUNCIL BEN AGUILAR TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 11 DASH 2025 WITH A REVISION TO, UH, EVENTS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL IN THE PARK, IN THE CITY PARK MUNICIPAL PARK? LEMME GET IT RIGHT. AWESOME. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCIL, MY FORCES GOING IN AND OUT, FURTHER DISCUSSION. COULD YOU REPEAT THE, WHAT YOU WANT TO SECOND WHAT FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. I'LL ENTERTAIN A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR A AYE. AYE. UNANIMOUS. THE NEXT ITEM WILL BE DISCUSSED AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION ON A REQUEST BY LEN WANG ON THE WATER BILL FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4 56 ESPORT SOUTH KLU, TEXAS. LET ME PREFACE THIS BY SAYING THAT COUNCIL HAS ALREADY MADE A DECISION ON THIS, AND THAT FURTHER CONSIDERATION COULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO WHAT, WHAT WAS ALREADY SETTLED. SO IF YOU WANT TO GO, GO. MY NAME IS RACHEL. I KNOW WE ALREADY, UH, HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS, NOT ME, BUT THEM LAST TIME. UH, BUT WE ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THE COUNCIL DECISION, UH, FOR A COUPLE REASONS THERE. FIRST OF ALL, UM, LAST TIME IT WAS STATED THAT ANYTHING THAT'S, UH, GOES THROUGH THE METER IS OUR JURISDICTION. RIGHT. BUT THAT RACHEL, RACHEL, RIGHT. BUT THAT'S UNDER THE, UH, THAT'S UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT, UH, OUR SERVICE ARE CONTINUED PROPERLY. LIKE NOTHING HAS CHANGED. THIS IS USUAL NORMAL SERVICE, BUT WE HAVE ALREADY GIVEN A, UM, A, UH, WRITTEN, UH, UH, WE, WE ALREADY ASKED FOR THE SERVICE TO BE STOPPED IN JUNE OF 2022. AND SO, UM, THE SERVICE SHOULD HAVE BEEN STOPPED AND IT'S FULLY UNDER THE CITY JURISDICTION. SO THERE'S NO REASON THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD BE CHARGED FOR THE, UH, WATER BILL THAT'S, THAT CAME THROUGH. AND, UH, IN THIS PERIOD, WE DIDN'T GET A TICK. WE DIDN'T GET A BILL FOR SAID, UM, WATER UNTIL, UH, OUR TENANTS MOVED IN IN 2025 WHEN THEY REACTED REACTIVATED SERVICE IN JANUARY. UM, BUT THIS FULL DURATION, WE NEVER RECEIVED A WATER BILL. AND I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S UNDER CITY ORDINANCE TO, UM, FOR THE CITY TO GIVE US THE BILL IF THE, UH, WATER CONTINUES TO COME OUT AFTER WE REQUESTED THE SERVICE TO STOP. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. SO, AND, UH, WE DON'T WANT TO, OUR, UH, OUR END GOAL IS THAT WE FEEL THAT THIS IS, THIS BILL SHOULD NOT BE OUR RESPONSIBILITY AND WE DON'T ACCEPT THE, WE'RE NOT HAPPY WITH THE DECISION THAT YOU GUYS HAVE MADE. SO I DON'T IF THE, UH, VALVE IS UNDER IT IS, IT IS UNDER CITY, UM, RESPONSIBILITY TO CLOSE, THEN IT BEING OPEN IS ALSO NOT OUR FAULT. IS IT NOT? WELL, AND I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR COUNSEL, BUT I I, THAT THE ACCOUNT, THE VALVE WAS CLOSED, UHHUH AND DID TURN THE SERVICE OFF. AT SOME POINT, SOMEBODY LIFTED A LID AND TAMPERED WITH THE METER AND REENGAGE THE WATER SERVICE. AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S [02:00:01] TWO SIDES OF THE RESPONSIBILITY. IT'S OUR DUTY TO SHUT THE VALVE OFF. IT'S THE BUILDING OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO MONITOR THE BUILDING, RIGHT? RIGHT. AND IT'S YOUR, AND IT'S YOUR, UM, RESPONSIBILITY TO SHUT THE VALVE OFF. AND THE VALVE WAS NOT SHUT OFF. SO HOW DOES THAT NO, THE VALVE, THE VALVE WAS SHUT OFF SOMEBODY RIGHT WHEN WE SHUT AND, AND IN THIS TIME PERIOD, RIGHT? IN THIS TIME PERIOD, THE, THE WATER METER TICKED MEANING THAT WATER WENT THROUGH. AND SO THAT MEANS THE CITY VALVE WAS OPEN. WELL, THE VALVE WAS CLOSED BECAUSE THERE WAS NO USAGE FOR A SIGNIFICANT PERIOD. WE HAVE THE WORK ORDERS TO BACK UP THE FACT THAT WE CLOSED ABOUT, WELL, WELL, WELL, IT'S NOT, 'CAUSE THERE WAS NO SIGNIFICANT USE. IT WAS 'CAUSE WE, UH, WR WROTE A LETTER, WE WROTE A EMAIL TO YOU GUYS REQUESTING IT TO BE, REQUESTING SERVICE TO BE SOLVED. AND IT WAS STOPPED. AND THEN SOMEBODY, SO HOW COME THE WATER IS STILL GOING? THAT'S UNDER YOUR JURISDICTION, RIGHT? THE WATER, SOMEBODY TURNED ON THE METER AND THAT'S THEFT. THEY TURN THE WATER METER ON. AND THAT'S HOW THE WATER STARTED GOING BACK THROUGH. YES, I UNDERSTAND. BUT THE CITY'S NOT RESPONSIBLE. IF A THIEF BREAKS INTO THE BUILDING BECAUSE YOU LOCKED YOUR DOORS, SOMEBODY BREAKS IN. NOW IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY. IT'S THE SAME CONCEPT. WELL, THE, THE METER WAS TURNED OFF. WE FULFILLED OUR DUTY, BUT A THIEF CAME ALONG, TURNED IT ON, AND USED THE WATER. OKAY. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S OUR FAULT THAT SOMETHING UNDER YOUR GUYS, YOU GUYS' CONTROL AFTER WE'VE LOCKED THE BUILDING, AFTER WE SECURE, WELL, IT'S NOT UNDER OUR CONTROL BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE NOT STANDING OUT THERE LIKE OVER WATCHING THE WATER METER 24 7. WE CAN'T DO THAT. RIGHT. AND SO THAT, AND THEN, AND THAT'S FINE, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S UNDER Y'ALLS JURISDICTION THAT GOT OPENED, THEFT OR WHATEVER. IT DOESN'T MATTER. THE, WELL THE METER REALLY AND TRULY, IT'S LIKE TECHNICAL ISSUES AND STUFF WITH THE METER IS WHAT THE, THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY IS. IF YOU ASK US TO COME OUT AND TURN IT OFF, WE CAN COME OUT AND TURN IT OFF. RIGHT. AND IF, BUT IF SOMEBODY COMES AND TURNS IT BACK ON WITHOUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE, WITHOUT OUR KNOWLEDGE, IT'S THEFT. RIGHT. SO HOW YOU'VE BEEN ROBBED. RIGHT? SO IT'S BEEN ROBBED. SO HOW DOES IT FALL ON US WHEN IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE, THERE'S NO REASON FOR, LIKE YOU SAID, HOW DOES IT FALL ON US? EXACTLY. IT'S THEFT. HAVE YOU FILED A POLICE COURT? DO YOU KNOW THAT THE WATER THAT WENT THROUGH THAT METER, WE HAD TO PAY FOR IT. THE CITY OF KLU PAID FOR THE WATER THAT WENT THROUGH THAT METER. NO, NO. YOU GUYS ARE ASKING US TO PAY FOR IT RIGHT NOW. AND WE DON'T AND WE DO NOT AGREE WITH THAT. WE, WE SHOULD LOOK, BUT THE CITY OF KLU HAS ALREADY PAID FOR IT. IT'S ALREADY PAID FOR IT. SO THEN SO WHY DID YOU GUYS COME AND KNOCK ON OUR DOOR? 'CAUSE IT'S NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY. WE, IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MONITOR THE METER. IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MONITOR THE BUILDING. WE DON'T NEED TO MONITOR THE METER, ASSUMING THAT YOU GUYS DID YOUR JOB, BUT IT'S CLEARLY IT WAS SHUT OFF. WE DID OUR JOB. TELL IF A THIEF THEN GOES AND TURNS IT ON, THAT'S NOT THE CITY'S FAULT THAT SOMEBODY BROKE THE LAW AND TURNED THE METER BACK ON. OKAY. SO, SO SOMEBODY BROKE THE LAW, SOMEBODY DID THIS AND THAT DOESN'T MATTER. SO HOW, HOW DOES THE RESPONSIBILITY FALL ON US TO PAY THIS WATER BILL? IF IT'S NOT, IF WE WAS THE METER IN YOUR, 'CAUSE YOU ARE THE PROPERTY OWNER. WAS THE METER IN YOUR NAME? YES. BUT THE METER WAS, THE METER WAS IN YOUR NAME. IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. IT DOES NOT, IT'S, IT'S NOT WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION TO, UM, MON MONITOR THE METER. IF YOU GUYS HAVE SHUT, IF YOU GUYS HAVE SHUT IT OFF AND BECAUSE THE VALVE ON THE CITY SIDE WAS NOT SHUT OFF, THE WATER WENT THROUGH OUR METER. SO HOW IS THAT OUR, I'LL I, I'D LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING, BUT I DON'T WANNA BE INTERRUPTED, BUT I'LL WAIT TILL YOU'RE FINISHED. JUST LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU'RE DONE. ALRIGHT, CONTINUE. YOU GO AHEAD. OKAY. I WENT OUT THERE TODAY AND SPENT ABOUT AN HOUR AT YOUR PROPERTY. MM-HMM . UH, AND I SOMEWHAT MADE A DECISION AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING BASED ON INFORMATION, NOT ACTUALLY WHAT I SAW. THE METER WAS TURNED OFF. WE HAVE DOCUMENTATION OF THAT. OKAY. NO WATER FLOWED THROUGH THE METER FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. OKAY? OKAY. THE BOX THAT'S OUT THERE, THE LID, WHICH WAS PUT ON, NOT BY YOU, BUT BY WHOEVER BUILT THE BUILDING PRIOR TO Y'ALL IS NOT BOLTED DOWN. THE OPENING TO THAT IS BOLTED. IS IS LOCKED THE OTHER METER THAT'S BESIDE THAT METER. ARE YOU AWARE THERE'S TWO METERS THERE? YES. I'LL, OKAY. THAT METER'S BROKEN. THE LOCK'S BEEN KNOCKED OFF IT AS WELL, BUT THE METER WASN'T TURNED ON. AND DUE TO THE CIRCUMSTANCES, THERE IS ANOTHER VALVE AT YOUR BUILDING, WHICH IS UNDER YOUR CONTROL AND IS YOUR SITUATION TO MITIGATE YOUR LOSS. BUT SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER DID NOT GET TURNED OFF. WHY WOULD WE HAVE TO TURN OUR VALVE OFF AFTER WE REQUESTED THE CITY TO TURN OFF THE WATER THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT SHOULDN'T BE, SHOULD NOT BE ANYWHERE. WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION FOR US STARTED AND AT THIS POINT, THE DEAL WAS, I FELT [02:05:02] NEW, NEW PROPERTY OWNER, NEW TENANT WE'RE TRYING TO GET ALONG WITH HIM THAT WE WOULD TRY AND COULD A COMPROMISE, WHICH THE OTHER COUNCIL CONSIDERED A COMPROMISE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. IF YOU, AS YOU'RE SAVING WITH ME, I KNOW THIS IS DEALING WITH MYSELF, THAT YOU'RE UNSATISFIED WITH MEETING US SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE ON THIS, THEN I WOULD LIKE TO RETRACT THAT OFFER AND YOU JUST PAY THE WHOLE BILL AND WE'LL MOVE FORWARD. I SPOKE TO YOUR TENANT TODAY THAT ALL THE TOILETS WERE RUNNING WHEN HE GOT THE BUILDING. OKAY? UH, IT'S YOUR BUILDING. IT IS YOUR JOB TO MITIGATE YOUR LOSS. THAT MEANS CHECK ON YOUR BUILDING, MAKE SURE THERE'S NOT WATER RUNNING. THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THAT AUTHORITY. THE WATER WAS TURNED OFF, IT WENT SOME TIME OF NOT BEING IN USE. SOMEONE TURNED THE VALVE ON AND THEN SOMEONE TURNED IT OFF, OR IT WOULD'VE STILL BEEN RUNNING WIDE OPEN, POSSIBLY OTHER THAN THE TOILETS. I DON'T KNOW. I HONESTLY, I TRIED TO MAKE A FEW PHONE CALLS TO SEE HOW MUCH WATER CAN RUN THROUGH A TOILET AN HOUR. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THREE TOILETS CAN RUN IN EXCESS OF 200 GALLONS IN A, IN A 24 HOUR PERIOD. BUT AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE NOT HAPPY. I'M SORRY I CAN'T MAKE THAT HAPPEN. BUT AT THIS TIME, IF YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO ACCEPT WHAT THE COUNCIL OFFERED, FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, I'M ASKING TO RETRACT THAT OFFER AND THEY CAN, AND EITHER TAKE THAT RESPONSIBILITY AND PAY THE BILL OR DON'T PAY IT. AND THEN WE HAVE NO, BUT THEN WE ONLY HAVE ONE OTHER CHOICE IN THE MATTER. TURN THE WATER OFF. FINISH. I'M DONE. OKAY. SO, OKAY. FIRST OF ALL, RIGHT, YOU BE YOU TALKING I, I I HAVE DISAGREE THAT I WON'T INTERRUPT YOU, BUT YOU TALKING DOES NOT MEAN I CAN'T MAKE REBUTTALS. OKAY? NOW, SECOND OF ALL, UH, LIKE, UH, MS. OX ALREADY STATED, YOU GUYS CAN'T BE THERE 24 7 OPENING THE THING, CHECKING IT, CHECKING SOMETHING. THAT'S TECHNIQUE UNDER YOUR JURISDICTION, RIGHT? THE CITY SIDE OF THE VOW. SIMILARLY, WE CAN'T DO THAT EITHER. THE, THE BUILDING IS VACANT. WE'VE, WE'VE ESTABLISHED THAT IN OUR PREVIOUS EMAILS. WE TOLD YOU GUYS THE BUILDING IS VACANT. WE WANT OUR SERVICE SHUT OFF. THERE'S, UH, AND THEN WE HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN, CHECKING THE BUILDING REGULARLY. IT'S FINE. AND THEN WE HAVE THE TENANTS COME IN, RIGHT? THE WATER IS, THE, THE WATER ON THE CITY SIDE IS RUNNING, RIGHT? OKAY. LIKE YOU SAID, WE'VE BEEN ROBBED. SO HOW IS THAT, HOW, HOW IS THAT SOMEONE TURNED THE WATER ON, ON THE CITY SIDE, WHICH IS WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TAMPER WITH. SO HOW IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR? IT'S A CRIME. YOU, IT'S A, IT'S THEFT IS WHAT IT IS. WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS, IS THAT IT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT IT'S A CRIME THAT'S, THAT'S OCCURRED, BUT THAT'S NOT THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO PAY FOR IT. OKAY? SO THEN WHILE THE WATER, JUST LIKE IF SOMEBODY BROKE INTO THE BUILDING, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS LOCKED AND TORE THE PLACE UP, YOU CAN'T SAY, WELL, WE LOCKED IT BEFORE WE LEFT. IT'S THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY. OKAY. LEMME ASK. IT'S NOT, WELL, FIRST OF, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S NOT LIKE THAT, RIGHT? IT'S, IT IS LIKE AS IF WE CLOSED THE BUILDING AND THEN NOW WE ASKED THE CITY TO PUT A LOCK ON IT. AND THEN WHEN WE COME BACK, THE LOCK IS BROKEN AND PEOPLE RANSACK THE PLACE. RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT THE, THAT THAT'S MORE, THIS IS LIKE WHAT MADE THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY. AND THEN SECOND, SECOND OF ALL RIGHT, WHILE THE WATER IS RUNNING DURING THIS TIME PERIOD, RIGHT? ISN'T NOT UNDER CITY ORDINANCE. THAT FOR YOU GUYS TO SEND US A NOTICE FOR US TO, FOR US TO KNOW. BECAUSE WE, BECAUSE OUR FAULT IS IN ASSUMING THAT WHO WAS REGULARLY CHECKING THE BUILDING. 'CAUSE THIS WENT OVER A THREE MONTH PERIOD. THIS IS OVER YEARS. THIS IS OVER YEARS. YOU GET, YOU GET THERE, THERE SHOULD, THERE SHOULD, THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN BOTH. I THOUGHT IT WAS OVER LIKE A THREE MONTH PERIOD. NO, THIS IS OVER THREE YEARS. WELL, NO, THE, THE ORDER FOR DISCONNECT CAME IN 2022. RIGHT? IN EARLY 2023 USAGE STARTED, BUT IT WAS UNMONITORED BECAUSE IT WAS AN INACTIVE ACCOUNT. SO WE DIDN'T KNOW A FLAG THAT THERE WAS A LEAK. THE USAGE STOPPED THREE MONTHS LATER. OKAY, THAT'S, SO IT WAS MARCH TO MAY OF 2023 AND THEN IT SHUT OFF. WE NEVER WENT BACK OUT TO SERVICE THE METER BECAUSE THERE HAD BEEN NO RECONNECT REQUESTED. SO UNTIL THEIR TENANT MOVED IN AND APPLIED FOR WATER SERVICE, WE WENT BACK OUT AT THAT TIME. AND THAT'S WHEN EVERYBODY DISCOVERED, HEY, SOMEBODY'S TAMPERED WITH THE METER AND THE METER'S BEEN OPERATING. AND DID YOU SAY THERE WAS A SHUTOFF AT THE BUILDING? LET ME, LET ME PUT IT IT TO YOU THIS WAY, AT THE BUILDING, IF YOU HAVE A LAMP, BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD LAST TIME THERE WASN'T ONE THAT YOU, AND DID YOU, AND YOU TURNED THE SWITCH OFF AND THE LAMP GOES OFF. IF YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT LAMP DOESN'T COME BACK ON, WHAT DO YOU DO? [02:10:01] YOU UNPLUG IT, RIGHT? WELL, NOT IF MY ELECTRICITY, NOT IF THE ELECTRICITY, THE COMPANY SAYS THEY GOT THE POWER. IF YOU, IF YOU UNPLUGGED THE LAMP, THEY CAN'T TURN IT BACK ON. SO IF YOU WOULD'VE, IF YOU WOULD'VE CLOSED YOUR VALVE IN YOUR BUILDING, IT WOULDN'T HAVE MADE ANY DIFFERENCE IF ANYBODY TURNED THAT VALVE ON ANYWAY, BECAUSE YOU HAVE A BLOCK VALVE THERE THAT WOULDN'T HAVE LET ANY WATER BY. AND WE WERE TOLD THAT DID NOT EXIST LAST TIME, THAT THERE WAS NO, NO WAY TO SHUT IT OFF. LIKE TO THE BUILDING. THAT ONLY WAY WAS AT THE MAIN, AT THE STREET. THAT WAS THE ONLY WAY TO SHUT IT OFF. THAT THERE WASN'T ANYTHING ELSE. RIGHT. SO AND NOW WE'RE BEING TOLD, YEAH, THERE IS ONE. AND YOU DO HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO TURN IT OFF. I MEAN, IF YOU JUST SHUT IT OFF AT THE STREET, THERE'S STILL WATER IN THE PIPES. IF IT FREEZES, PIPES ARE GONNA BURST BECAUSE THERE'S WATER STILL IN THE LINE. NO, NO. IT'S AS IF YOU ARE IN YOUR HOUSE, RIGHT? YOU'RE IN YOUR HOUSE. YOU, YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T LIVE IN THIS HOUSE ANYMORE. YOU DON'T WANT THIS HOUSE ANYMORE. AND YOU HAVE ALL THE FURNITURE INTACT. AND THEN YOU TOLD THE ELECTRICITY, ELECTRICITY BILL, THE ELECTRICITY COMPANY TO SHUT OUT THE POWER. YOU DON'T WANT, YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T WANNA USE THIS BUILDING ANYMORE. COUNCIL HAS MADE A DECISION. DO YOU WANT TO HONOR THAT DECISION? OR YOU WON'T COUNCIL MAKE ANOTHER DECISION? UM, UH, WELL WHAT ABOUT, WHAT ABOUT WHEN YOU GUYS KNOCKED ON OUR TENANT DOOR TO AND TO SHUT OFF THEIR WATER? I HAVE A, I HAVE A MOTION FOR HIM TO RETRACT HIS OFFER THAT HE GAVE TO YOU. NO, NO. I, I WANT, I WANNA, I WANNA, WELL, IF I GET A SECOND, WE'RE FIXING TO, WE'RE FIXING TO TAKE A VOTE ON ON, ON WHAT? ON TO RETRACT THAT. AND YOU'RE GONNA PAY THE FULL BILL. OKAY. SO DO I HAVE A SECOND TO RETRACT THE OFFER? CAN I HAVE A SECOND TO TALK? DO I HAVE A SECOND TO RETRACT THE OFFER? I DON'T WANT TO RETRACT THE OFFER. OKAY. I JUST, I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SPLIT THEN YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE COUNSEL'S DECISION. N NO, THEN WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA, THEN WE'RE GONNA APPEAL AGAIN. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE, THAT WE SHOULD, THERE IS NO APPEAL. AGAIN, THAT'S NOT RIGHT. THIS IS OUR DECISION. THAT'S NOT RIGHT. WE CAN APPEAL AGAIN. WE CAN WE CAN COME BACK AGAIN, RIGHT? THERE'S, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO LAW SAYING THAT WE CAN'T COME BACK AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT YOU ON THE AGENDA. WE DID THIS AS A COURTESY. THE REALITY IS, IS COUNSEL'S MADE THEIR DECISION, THEIR DECISION IS FINAL ON THE WATER BILL. NO, NO. IF IT IS SOMETHING UNDER BOTH OUR JURISDICTION, THIS SIDE OF THE VOW AND THAT SIDE OF THE VOW AND, AND YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE MEETING YOU HALFWAY. WE ARE TAKING HALF OF THE BILL AWAY FROM YOU. THAT IS OUR OFFER. AND YOU'RE CAUSING US TO CHANGE OUR MIND. NO, NO, NO. YES. OKAY, LET'S PUT THAT ASIDE FOR A SECOND. WHAT ABOUT LIKE WHEN OUR WINTER, OUR TENANTS GOT THREATENED THAT THEIR WATER'S GONNA GET SHUT OFF ON THE 28TH IF YOU HAD PAID. NO, NO. THERE'S, THERE'S A, THAT WAS NOT THE HAPPEN. WE, WE ARE, WE ARE ASKED TO APPEAL THIS DECISION. LAST TIME WE WERE, WE WERE HERE AND THEN WE SENT MULTIPLE, WE SENT MULTIPLE EMAILS APPEALING THIS, APPEALING THIS DECISION. AND THEN WE, OUR LIEUTENANT STOK KNOCKED ON THEIR DOORS. AND I'M PRETTY SURE, AND I'M RELATIVELY CERTAIN THAT A, UH, A BILL THAT'S UNDER APPEAL CANNOT BE THREATENED TO BE DISCONTINUED. THAT THAT CAN'T BE A REASON FOR DISCONTINUING SERVICE SINCE YOU'RE REALLY THAT CERTAIN. THEN TALK TO YOUR LAWYER AND HE'LL TELL YOU WHAT YOU SHOULD DO IS PAY YOUR BILL, MITIGATE YOUR LOSSES SO YOUR TENANT CAN MAINTAIN THE USE OF THE BUILDING. AND THEN YOU, THEN YOU FOLLOW SUIT WITH THAT. YOU DON'T COME UP TO YOU, YOU CAN'T JUST ARGUE IT AND ARGUE AND, AND TRY TO MEET MUTUAL GROUND. SO YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY, WHICH YOU WILL DO AS A, AS THE PROPERTY OWNER. AND WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY AS TO THE TAXPAYERS OF THE CITY TO TELL WHERE, WHERE THEY, WHERE WE SPEND THEIR MONEY. AND AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE HAD AN UNFORTUNATE INCIDENT AT Y'ALL'S PROPERTY AND IT GOT TURNED ON. WE DON'T KNOW. WE KNOW IT GOT TURNED OFF. WE KNOW IT GOT TURNED BACK ON. WE KNOW IT GOT TURNED BACK OFF. AND WHEN YOUR TENANT MOVED IN, THERE WAS A REREAD, WHICH SHOWED US HOW MUCH WATER HAD BEEN USED. OKAY? SO, SO REGARDLESS OF WHERE IT WENT, THE PROPERTY, WHEN THE, WHEN THE WATER GOES THROUGH, OUR ORDINANCE STATES THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT WATER. THAT IS ALL THAT WE'RE, THE CITY ORDINANCE IS UNDER THE ASSUMPTION, ASSUMPTION THAT YOU GUYS AS THAT WE CAN STAND THERE AND LET'S, LET'S BOTH TALK AT THE SAME TIME. SEE HOW FAR THIS GETS. OKAY. AND, AND THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS. SO LET ME, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE YOU'RE, YOU WEREN'T HERE LAST TIME, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S CLEAR UNDERSTANDING, RIGHT? UM, YOU, UH, CAME TO COUNCIL, THIS MATTER CAME TO COUNCIL. THE COUNCIL AGREED AND VOTED THAT THE AMOUNT THAT WAS OWED, THEY WERE WILLING TO CUT THAT IN HALF. SO Y'ALL ONLY PAY HALF AND YOU'VE COME TO COUNCIL AGAIN TO [02:15:01] ARGUE IT A SECOND TIME. AND THE, AND THE COUNCIL ALLOWED TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA TO LISTEN TO WHAT YOU HAD TO SAY. UH, AND THERE'S BEEN NEW INFORMATION THAT THEY RECEIVED SINCE THE LAST TIME. SO WHERE YOU STAND NOW IS YOU CAN EITHER TAKE THE ORIGINAL OFFER TO PAY FOR HALF OR IF YOU WANT THE COUNCIL TO TAKE ACTION, THEY COULD CONSIDER AGAIN, AND THEY VERY WELL MAY SAY, OKAY, WE'RE TAKING BACK, WE'RE GONNA MAKE YOU PAY A HUNDRED PERCENT. SO YOU'D BE IN A MUCH WORSE POSITION. UH, IF SO, IF YOU'RE WILLING TO TAKE THE OFFER TO PAY HALF, THEN THAT'S WHERE IT WILL STAND. IF YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO TAKE THE POSITION TO PAY HALF, THEN COUNSEL CAN TAKE ANOTHER VOTE AND SAY, YOU GOTTA PAY 100% AND THERE IS NO FURTHER, YOU KNOW, I'M THE, I'M THE CITY ATTORNEY, OKAY? THERE IS NO FURTHER APPEAL OR THERE'S NO LAW THAT SAYS, WELL, WE'RE APPEALING IT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY. Y'ALL CAN'T MAKE IT TURN. Y'ALL CAN'T TURN IT OFF. SO IF YOU, IF YOU ACCEPT THE HALF AND YOU PAY THE HALF, THEN THE WATER WILL NOT BE TURNED OFF. AND BOTH SIDES WILL GO DOWN THE ROAD. IF YOU SAY YOU DON'T WANT TO PAY HALF, AND THE COUNCIL TAKES ANOTHER VOTE AND THEY SAY, OKAY, NOW YOU HAVE TO PAY 100%. IF YOU DON'T PAY THAT 100% AT THAT POINT, THEN THE CITY WILL TURN OFF THE WATER. OKAY? SO THE PAYMENT HAS TO BE MADE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, OR THE CITY WILL TURN OFF THE WATER. OKAY? SO THE, THE QUESTION, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED TO, UM, CONFER WITH THE ACTUAL BUILDING OWNER. THE QUESTION THAT, UH, COUNCILMAN CRISP HAS PRESENTED TO YOU IS WE WANT TO FIND OUT, DO YOU AGREE TO PAY HALF? IF YOU DO, DO NOT AGREE TO PAY HALF, THEN THE COUNCIL WILL PROBABLY DO A MOTION AND THEY COULD, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE VOTES ARE, BUT THEY COULD SAY, OKAY, FINE, YOU'VE GOTTA PAY 100%. SO THAT'S YOUR DECISION AT THIS POINT. OKAY? OKAY. AND, AND, AND THE COUNSELOR UNDERSTANDS YOUR ARGUMENT. THEY UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION. WE'VE COVERED ALL THE FACTS, UH, AND, AND WE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY. SO SAYING IT, YOU KNOW, TWO MORE TIMES OR FIVE MORE TIMES IS NOT GONNA CHANGE THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF THE SITUATION, RIGHT? I DON'T, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY MORE GROUND TO COVER WITH YOUR, YOU KNOW, ARGUING FURTHER, RIGHT? SO, UM, SO BEFORE I ANSWER THAT QUESTION, RIGHT, BECAUSE THAT'S FINAL, I WANT TO ASK YOU GUYS A COUPLE QUESTIONS, RIGHT? HOPEFULLY I GET SOME ANSWERS. SO WHY CAN I GET AN EXPLANATION FOR WHY WAS IT THAT BETWEEN THE TIME OF JUNE, 2022 AND 20 AND JANUARY, 2025, WE'VE, WE NEVER CALLED OUT A WATER. THE COUNCIL HAS BILL ALREADY ANSWERED THOSE QUESTIONS. WE'VE ALREADY HAPPENED. LAST MEETING, WE ANSWERED WHAT HAPPENED, WE ANSWERED, THE CITY MANAGER TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE SOFTWARE AND WHAT IT FLAGS AND IF THERE'S A CLOSED ACCOUNT, IT DOESN'T FLAG. SO WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED ALL OF THOSE FACTORS, OKAY? SO THAT'S AN ERROR IN YOUR SYSTEM. SO, SO I, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, AND, AND YOU KNOW, THE, I DON'T WANNA GO OUT ANY LONGER EITHER 'CAUSE THE, THE MAYOR HAS ALREADY DROPPED THE GAVEL AND SAID WE'RE A DECISION POINT. SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY MORE ARGUMENT OR QUESTIONS OR WHATEVER. WE'RE AT THE DECISION POINT. DO Y'ALL ACCEPT THE 50% OR DO YOU WANT THE, THE COUNCIL TO RECONSIDER? UM, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COUNCIL VOTES WOULD BE, BUT YOU'RE TAKING THE RISK. AT LEAST I THINK IT'S BEEN MADE CLEAR AT LEAST FROM A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT THEY'RE LEANING TOWARDS MAKE YOU PAY A HUNDRED PERCENT. IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO SAY TAKE THE 50%, OKAY? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL TAKE THE 50% THEN HAVE FUN WITH YOUR LOCAL PROTECTIONISM. WHATEVER YOU GUYS. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. LOCAL PROTECTION. [V. NOTICE/ ANNOUNCEMENT OF UPCOMING EVENTS AND MEETINGS] NEXT ITEMS WILL BE A NOTICE, AN ANNOUNCEMENT OF UPCOMING EVENTS OF MEETINGS, NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER, TH THURSDAY, MAY 1ST, 2025 NOON. INCLUDE CITY HALL, CITY CHARTER ELECTION, SATURDAY, MAY 3RD, 2025. SEVEN TO SEVEN INCLUDE EVENT CENTER, JOINT PUBLIC HEARING AT CITY COUNCIL MEETING THURSDAY, MAY THE EIGHTH AT 7:00 PM PEACE OFFICERS MEMORIAL DAY, THURSDAY, MAY 15TH, NOON. INCLUDE POLICE DEPARTMENT, FLAG GARDEN, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEETING. THURSDAY, MAY 22ND, 2025 AT 7:00 PM AND THEN MEMORIAL DAY IS MAY 26TH, 2025. CITY OFFICES WILL BE CLOSED. NEXT AGENDA, THE NEXT ITEM WOULD BE ADJOURNMENT. SO MOVED. MOVED BY COUNCIL PERSON BOND SECOND. SECONDED BY COUNCIL PERSON. MADDOX, PENDING. NO DISCUSSION. I'LL LET ENTERTAIN A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. UNANIMOUS MEETINGS ADJOURNED. ROSIE, WHERE WERE ALL THOSE PLACES? * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.