* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [I. COMMENCEMENT] [00:00:03] THOSE IS HEREBY GIVING THAT COUNCIL ACTING AS THE BOARD OF ADJUSTERS WILL MEET FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TO BE HELD ON THURSDAY, OCTOBER 23RD, 2025 AT 6:30 PM AND THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS OF FLUTE CITY HALL, LOCATED AT 1 0 8 MAIN STREET, CL, TEXAS 7 7 5 3 1. FOR THE BELOW LISTED ITEMS, CITY COUNCIL RESERVES THE RIGHT TO ADJOURN INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT ANY TIME DURING THE COURSE OF THIS MEETING TO DISCUSS ANY MATTERS LISTED ON THE AGENDA AS AUTHORIZED BY THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE INCLUDED BUT NOT LIMITED TO SECTION 5 5 1 0 7 1, CONSULTATION WITH AN ATTORNEY, 5 5 1 7 2 DELIBERATION ABOUT REAL PROPERTY 5 5 1 0 7 3 DELIBERATIONS ABOUT GIFTS AND DONATIONS. 5 5 1 0 7 4 PERSONNEL MATTERS. 5 5 1 0 7 6 DELIBERATION ABOUT HOMELAND SECURITY DEVICES 5 5 0 8 7 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT 4 8 7 5 1 8 3 DELIBERATIONS ABOUT HOMELAND SECURITY ISSUES AND IT'S AUTHORIZED BY THE TEXAS TAX CODE, INCLUDING ALL IMAGES OF SECTIONS 3 2 1 0.3022 SALES TAX INFORMATION, THE AGENDA MEETING PACKET AND VIDEO LINK POSTED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE@WWW.CLUTEXAS.GOV. THE RECORDING OF THE MEETING VIDEO WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST TO THE PUBLIC IN ACCORD WITH THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT. THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING HAS NOW BEEN CALLED TO ORDER. UH, MR. BOB, WOULD YOU CARE TO GIVE US A BLESSING? WANNA THANK YOU FOR THE STUDY YOU'VE GIVEN. WE WANNA THANK YOU FOR THE, THE, THAT'S REPLEN EVERYTHING AND AMEN. JOIN US UNDER THE PLEDGE, PLEASE PLEDGE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE. ALL THANK YOU. NOW HAVE ROLL CALL CALVIN SHIFFLET. PRESENT, JEFF. CHRIS PRESENT. ERIC AGUILAR PRESENT. FRANCIS VAUGHN PRESENT. OKAY. WE WILL NOW MOVE INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND THE FIRST ITEM IS READ THE NOTICE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. I THINK I'VE ALREADY DONE THAT. YES, SIR. YOU HAVE? YEP. UH, SO [II. PUBLIC HEARING - CITY COUNCIL AS BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS] WE'LL MOVE INTO THE HEARING PORTION AND THE IDA B IS CONDUCT HEARING ON THE QUESTION OF DECLARING THE BUILDING AND IMPROVEMENTS LOCATED ON THE FOLLOWING. REAL PROPERTY LINE IS SITUATED WITHIN THE CORPORATE LIMITS OF THE CITY, UDE TO BE A DANGEROUS, UNSAFE BUILDING, AND FOR ENTRY OF AN ORDER OF CONDEMNATION, THE PROPERTY IS 2 47 BARBARA DRIVE, KLU, TEXAS 7 7 5 3 1. LEGAL DESCRIPTION, LAKEWOOD PARK, SECTION TWO A 0 0 6 6 J. GROVES INCLUDE BLOCK E LOT 12. THE FIRST ITEM IS EVIDENCE PREVENTED PRESENTED BY THE CITY BID BOARD, UH, ATTORNEY. AND TODAY WE'RE PRESENTING, UH, UH, EVIDENCE, UH, FOR Y'ALL'S REVIEW REGARDING SEVEN DRIVE. UM, THE ISSUES BEFORE, BEFORE THE BOARD ARE TO, UH, CONSIDER EVIDENCE AND DETERMINE WHETHER THE, UH, BUILDING AND STRUCTURE, UH, THE FIRST ISSUE IS WHETHER THE STRUCTURE IS AN UNSAFE BUILDING OR UNSAFE, DANGEROUS BUILDING UNDER, UH, OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES. AND UNDER THE INTERNATIONAL MAINTENANCE CODE, I HAVE, UH, PROVIDED YOU EACH ONE OF YOU A, UH, PACKET WITH A, UM, WITH A HEARING WORKSHEET AND A PROPOSED ORDER, UH, THAT GIVES Y'ALL CHOICES DEPENDING ON Y'ALL FINDINGS AT THE EASE OF THE HEARING. ALSO, UH, I PROVIDED A COPY OF, UH, EXHIBITS, UM, AND I'D ASK THE CHAIRPERSON TO, UH, ACCEPT THE EXHIBITS, THE EXHIBIT PACKAGE INTO THE RECORD FOR, UH, CONSIDERATION, UH, FOR THE HEARING TODAY. NOTED. THANK. SO, UH, I'D LIKE TO, UM, UH, FIRST, UH, SET FORTH THE, UH, THE STANDARD THAT Y'ALL ARE TO APPLY WHEN CONSIDERING A, UH, A SUBSTANDARD, UH, DANGEROUS OR UNSAFE [00:05:01] BUILDING. UH, I'VE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET OF EXHIBITS, THE FIRST PAGE, UH, SECTION TWO 2.503 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. UM, AND I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED AND UNDERLINED THE, UH, SECTIONS THAT APPLY IN THIS CASE. UM, UH, IF ANY BUILDING WITH A, A ROOF, UH, THAT'S ROTTED OR DECAYED OR FALLING APART AND, UH, CAUSED THE HOUSE TO BE UNINHABITABLE, UH, CAUSED BY NEGLECT OR DAMAGE FROM STORM OR THE ELEMENTS, UH, THESE ARE THE, THE DEFINITIONS OF A SUBSTANDARD, UH, UNSAFE BUILDING. UH, ANY BUILDING IN DANGER OF FALLING OR INJURING A PERSON OR PROPERTY OF ANOTHER, UH, A BUILDING THAT CONTAINS A FIRE WITNESS THAT, UH, DUE TO THE ACCUMULATION OF RUBBISH VEGETATION OR WASTE IS LIKELY TO BECOME A FIRE SET ON FIRE IN AND AROUND SET BUILDING, UM, ANY BUILDING THAT'S UNSAFE, UNFIT FOR HUMAN OCCUPANCY OR DANGEROUS PURSUANT TO SECTION ONE OH A OF INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. AND THEN FURTHER, UM, ALSO STANDARD STRUCTURES, UH, UNDER OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES ARE CONSIDERED TO BE A NUISANCE AND, UH, AND THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS CAN, UH, ORDER THAT BUILDING TO BE VACATED, SECURED, REPAIRED, REMOVED, OR DEMOLISHED. SO THAT'S THE, UH, THE STANDARD THAT Y'ALL APPLIED, THE LAW THAT YOU APPLY AND THE, AND THE RELIEF, UH, THAT'S, UH, BEING REQUESTED OF Y'ALL TONIGHT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, UH, ELICIT, UH, THE, UM, THE TESTIMONY FROM JERRY HAYSLIP, THE BUILDING OFFICIAL FOR THE CITY MICROPHONE. OKAY. UH, MR. HAYSLIP, DID YOU HAVE AN OCCASION TO, UH, UH, GET THE REPORTS FROM THE PUBLIC AND, AND OBSERVE, UH, UH, THE DAMAGE AND UNSAFE CONDITION OF THIS, UH, PROPERTY AT 2 47, UH, BARB DRIVE? YES, SIR. OKAY. AND, UH, DID YOU OBSERVE THAT DAMAGE FROM THE PUBLIC ROADWAY, ROADWAYS PLUS THE, THE PROPERTY OVER? OKAY. ORIGINALLY YOU SAW THE ROADWAY YES. FROM THE ROADWAY, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE PORTIONS OF THE ROOF THAT ARE COLLAPSING, LIKE COLLAPSED AND HOLES IN THE ROOF. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. CORRECT. AND, UH, YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT THERE'S OVERGROWN VEGETATION AND TRASH AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE ON THE EXTERIOR, CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. SO BASED ON YOUR OBSERVATION FROM THE PUBLIC ROAD, UH, YOU APPLIED FOR A, UH, AN ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, SEARCH WARRANT, UM, AND OBTAIN THE SEARCH WARRANT FROM JUDGE SMITH SO THAT YOU COULD, UH, GO INSIDE THE PROPERTY AND MAKE A THOROUGH, UH, INSPECTION. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. AND, UM, AND SO, UM, A COPY OF THAT SEARCH WARRANT IS IN THE EXHIBIT PACKET OF, UH, ITEMS IN THE EXHIBITS IN FRONT OF THE, UM, THE BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION, CORRECT? YES, SIR. OKAY. SO THEN, UM, SUBSEQUENT TO OBTAINING THE WARRANT, UH, DID YOU AND THE, UH, THE FIRE MARSHAL ENTER THE PROPERTY AND, UH, MAKING THE INSPECTION AND EXAMINATION OF THE PROPERTY? YES, SIR. WHERE THEY ON. OKAY. SO THE, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY WAS THERE WITH YOU, CORRECT? YES, SIR. OKAY. SO HE, UH, GAVE Y'ALL A TOUR, I GUESS, INSIDE THE BUILDING. OKAY. AND, UM, DURING THE COURSE OF, UH, THAT, UH, INSPECTION EXAMINATION, UH, YOU OR SOMEBODY WITH YOU TOOK, UH, PHOTOGRAPHS, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. AND ARE THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS ATTACHED AS EXHIBITS AT THE END OF THE PACKET THAT BEEN PROVIDED TO THE COURT? YES, SIR. OKAY. AND THEN, AND I'LL, I'LL BRIEFLY, UM, SUMMARIZE, UH, THESE PHOTOGRAPHS, UH, THE PHOTOGRAPHS SHOW, UH, A PRETTY LARGE GAPING HOLE IN, IN THE ROOF, AND YOU CAN SEE SUNLIGHT , CORRECT, SIR. AND ALSO A LARGE ACCUMULATION OF, UH, UH, BOXES AND, AND RUBBISH AND THINGS THAT LIKE THAT, UH, THROUGHOUT THE HOUSE, CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. AND SO, UM, BASED ON THOSE OBSERVATIONS, THE, THE DAMAGE FROM THE ROOF ROOF, UM, DO YOU FEEL THAT, UH, UH, THAT THAT CONSTITUTE AN UNSAFE OR DANGEROUS CONDITION? A DANGEROUS STRUCTURE AS DEFINED IN OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES AND IN THE INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE THAT WE HAVE TO, UH, THE BOARD. OKAY. UM, IN ADDITION TO YOUR EXEC, YOUR INSPECTION, DO YOU FEEL THAT THERE'S STRUCTURAL DAMAGE TO THE PROPERTY THAT MAKES THE STRUCTURE UNSTABLE? THE ROOF, WHOLE ROOF AREA. OKAY. AND SO, UH, WITH THAT HOLE AND AND RAIN GETTING INTO THE, THE SUBSTRUCTURE OF THAT ROOF, DO YOU FEEL LIKE DANGER COLLAPSE OF THAT ROOF? YES. OKAY. UH, IN ADDITION TO YOUR EXAMINATION, UM, OUR, UH, [00:10:01] FIRE MARSHAL ENGINE INSPECTION AS WELL, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. AND HE PREPARED, UH, REPORT OF HIS FINDINGS, WHICH ARE INCLUDED IN THE PACKET OF EXHIBITS FOR THE COURT OF PACIFIC, CORRECT? CORRECT. AND, UH, BASICALLY HE FOUND, UH, THAT, UH, THE, UH, HE OBSERVED VIOLATIONS OF THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE RENDER BUILDING UNSAFE, CORRECT? CORRECT. AND HE SAID THOSE SPECIFIC FINDINGS AND SPECIFIC, UM, UH, PROVISIONS OF THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE, HE REFERENCED THAT IN HIS REPORT AS TO WHY HE MADE A FINDING THAT THE BUILDING TAKEN. SO BASED ON YOUR, UH, UM, YOUR EXAMINATION AND, UH, THE REPORT THAT YOU PREPARED AND THE REPORT PREPARED BY THE FIRE MARSHAL AND THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT YOU PRESENTED, UH, ARE YOU REQUESTING THAT THE BOARD OF ASSESSMENTS FIND THAT, UH, THIS IS AN UN UNSAFE DANGEROUS BUILDING IN TION? YES. OKAY. AND SO, UH, ARE YOU REQUESTING THAT THE, UH, BOARD ORDERED EITHER THAT THE, UH, THE, UM, THE, UH, THE HOUSE, OH, YOU OBSERVED THE STRUCTURE AT THAT TIME, AND THEN YOU WENT BACK, UH, TODAY JUST TO LOOK AT THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, FROM THE PUBLIC ROADWAY TO MAKE AN EXAMINATION TO FIND OUT IF THE CONDITION IS STILL THE SAME. IS THE CONDITION STILL THE SAME AS YOU OBSERVED? YES. OKAY. AND IS THE, UM, IS THE STRUCTURE SECURE OR THE DOOR SECURE? THE WINDOW IS SECURE. SO IT'S NOT OPEN TO THE PHONE. WE SAY EVERYBODY'S SECURE. OKAY. SO YOU'RE NOT REQUESTING THE FORM OF ADJUSTMENTS TO MAKE AN ORDER FOR THE OWNER TO TAKE ADDITIONAL ACTION TO SECURE THE HOME, IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. UH, BUT YOU ARE REQUESTING A, AN ORDER FROM THE BOARD THAT, UH, THEY EITHER ORDER THE, UM, UH, UPON FINDING THAT THE, THE STRUCTURE IS AN UNSAFE BUILDING, UNSAFE STRUCTURE THAT, UH, THE OWNER EITHER REPAIR OR DEMOLISH THE, UM, THE THE STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. OKAY. UM, UH, PASS THE WITNESS TO THE RESPONDENT IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THAT'S THE, UH, THAT'S THE ALL, UH, THE EVIDENCE THAT, UH, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE TO THE COURT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. UM, I'LL NOTE THAT, UM, I'LL NOTE THAT IN THE PACKET, UH, THE BOARD HAS A FEW QUESTIONS. IF YOU LOOK AT WORKSHEET, THE FIRST QUESTION WOULD BE ANSWER TO BE ANSWERED BY MAJORITY, UH, OF THE INTERNATIONAL CODE DUE TO THE CONDITIONS. UM, IF YOU FIND THAT THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS YES, UM, YOU DON'T NEED TO GO TO THE QUESTION OVERDUE BECAUSE, UH, MR HAS THAT IS SO YOU NEED NOT NEED TO MAKE ORDER RELATED TO, UH, SECURITY OF THE BUILDING. UM, YOU DON'T NEED TO ANSWER QUESTION TWO OR THREE. UM, SO THEN, UH, IF, IF THE ORDER, UH, YOU FIND FIRST THAT IS, THAT IS A DANGEROUS BUILDING, THEN YOU PROCEED TO THE QUESTION OF WHAT'S THE, UH, REMEDY OR WHAT TYPE OF COMPLIANCE Y'ALL ARE ORDERING. OKAY. SO THE FIRST OPTION IS Y'ALL CAN ALL AGREE WITH ALREADY, UH, THAT, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS 30 DAYS TO REPAIR OR DEMOLISH THE STRUCTURE OPTION NUMBER, UH, TWO, YOU CAN GIVE THEM ADDITIONAL TIME, UM, FROM, UH, UP TO 90 DAYS, UH, TO REPAIR OR DEMOLISH THE, THE BUILDING. AND IN THAT CASE, YOU WOULD NEED TO SET SOME DEADLINES ABOUT WHAT TIME, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY HAVE TO, UM, GET THE BUILDING PERMIT, WHEN DO THEY HAVE TO CONVINCE THE WORK? AND, UH, AND ALSO ORDER THEM THAT DURING THE REPAIR PROCESS, THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE AND SECURE THE, THE BUILDING AT ALL TIMES. OPTION NUMBER THREE, UM, YOU CAN GRANT THE PROPERTY OWNER MORE THAN 90 DAYS TO REPAIR THE BUILDING. IF YOU FIND THAT THE, THAT THE, THE NATURE OF THE DAMAGE, IT'S NOT FEASIBLE, UM, TO MAKE SO, SO MANY REPAIRS WITHIN 90 DAYS IS REALISTICALLY, I THINK MORE THAN 90 DAYS. YOU CAN GIVE THEM MORE THAN 90 DAYS. HOWEVER, UH, UNDER THE LAW, YOU CAN ONLY GIVE THEM MORE THAN 90 DAYS IF THE PROPERTY OWNER SHOWS UP, UM, UH, AT THE HEARING TODAY WITH SOME DETAILED PLANS OF THE EXACT PLANS OF, UH, WHAT REPAIRS [00:15:01] ARE GONNA BE MADE AND A PROPOSED WORK SCHEDULE OF HOW THEY'RE GONNA ACCOMPLISH THE REPAIRS. SO IF THE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, HAS THAT INFORMATION TO PRESENT, UH, THEN THE, THE LAW ALLOWS YOU TO PREVENT THEM MORE THAN 90 DAYS, UH, TO, UM, MAKE REPAIRS. UH, AND THEN, AND THEN THE FOURTH OPTION, DEPENDING ON THE, WHEN THE, UM, PROPERTY OWNER IS ALLOWED TO COME UP AND PRESENT HIS SIDE OF THE CASE, IF HE WANTS TO PRESENT ANYTHING TO THE BOARD, UM, HE COULD ALSO DO A, UH, AN AGREED DEMOLITION ORDER. IF HE FEELS LIKE, UH, 30, 90 OR MORE THAN 90 DAYS, YOU KNOW, HE HAS NO INTEREST OR, OR ABILITY TO MAKE THE NECESSARY REPAIRS, UH, THEN HE COULD REQUEST, UM, UH, AN ORDER FROM THE, FROM THE BOARD, GIVING SOME TIME TO DEMOLISH IT OR ALLOW, UH, AN AGREEMENT WITH THE BOARD FOR THE CITY TO DEMOLISH THE HOUSE AND PROVIDE. AND Y'ALL TAKE THAT TIME AND PROVIDE A TIMEFRAME FOR THAT TO. SO THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE AT THIS POINT. AND TURN IT OVER TO THE PROPERTY. NEXT ITEM WOULD BE REBUTTAL BY THE PROPERTY OWNER LIEN HOLDER. I'M SORRY, YOU'RE, YOU'RE UP. I, YOU HAVE TO FORGIVE ME. I'VE NEVER BEEN TO A PROCEEDING LIKE THIS BEFORE. THIS LAW PROBABLY FELT IT VERY BADLY BEFORE, UH, EVERYTHING THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT. THERE'S A LITTLE HISTORY BEHIND IT. UH, WE HAVE AN EFFORT TO GET ROOFERS OUT. UH, I CALLED A COMPANY CALLED DR. I CALLED ANOTHER COMPANY IN HOUSTON CALLED . AND IF YOU SHOW UP IN THE HOUSE, THEY DON'T GET A ROOF FROM, UH, MY WIFE HIRED A YOUNG MAN TO CLEAN THE FRONT YARD AND TO INCLUDE IN BUY AND GOT IT MADE, DISAPPEARED. SO SHE HAS SINCE, UH, CONTACTED THE GENTLEMAN WITH THE RIGHT COMPANY. HE'S GONNA BE ACTING AS GENERAL COURT, UH, WITHIN ONE TO TWO WEEKS HE'S SUPPOSED TO HAVE ALL THE YARD CLEANED UP. ONCE THAT DONE, THEN THEY FACILITATE THE ASSESSMENT OF THE GROUP OFFICE TO FACEBOOK, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS. WE KNOW THAT THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO RECORD REPLACED. SO THEY'LL, THEY'LL ASSESS THAT. AND AFTER THAT, THE GONNA REPLACE THE GARAGE DOOR. RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO ELECTRICITY OR GAS AT THE HOUSE OR WATER. I TURN IT ALL OFF. QUITE FRANKLY, ONCE THERE WAS A HOLE OVER THE KITCHEN THAT WAS COVERED, THE REST OF IT WAS CALLED BY. AND RIGHT NOW NOLAN IS IN THE HOUSE. IN FACT, I'M AT MY PARENTS' HOUSE 2 55 DRIVE. HE'S NINE SIX, SHE'S 88. AND BOTH HAVE DEMENTIA. SO, AND I'LL BE PERFECTLY HONEST WITH YOU, THIS IS NOT AN EXCUSE JUST TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT I'VE UP AGAINST. I WOULD'VE ALREADY FIXED. I'M A NOW I'M NOT GONNA PRESENT YOU. I GUESS THAT'S THE HARD REALITY OF IT. BUT, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? SO YOUR, WELL, YEAH, Y'ALL CAN ASK QUESTIONS. YOUR INTENTIONS ARE, IS TO REPAIR, IS TO PUT THE HOUSE BACK LIVABLE? YES. SOMETIME IN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO. AGAIN, DEPENDING ON WEATHER, IN RAIN, THEY'RE GONNA COME AND CLEAN ALL VINES OFF THE HOUSE AND GET THE TREES TRIMED UP SO THEY CAN AT LEAST ASSESS ALL THE SOLIDS AND BASES. PLUS ANY EDGE, EDGE WORK OR SHINGLES BEEN FOR A WHILE. IS IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO TELL ME IF THIS IS THE CONDITION THE HOUSE IS IN NOW? I DON'T HAVE PICTURE. CAN I TAKE THAT TO HIM OR, YEAH, SURE. IT DIDN'T CHANGE, DEPENDING. THIS IS THE PACKAGE THAT WE DISCUSSED. WE'VE GOT, IT'S HARD TO WHERE THE HOUSE STARTS. I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO CLEAN THAT ALL UP. INTERIOR, THE HOUSE, AS OF NOW, MY WIFE WILL BE CLEANING THAT AS THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA DELIVER DUMPSTER FOR ALL THE STUFF. MY WIFE AND MY ALREADY, THE PLAN IS [00:20:01] NOT TO MOVE BACK IN THE HOUSE AT TIME STATE, UM, TO BE PERFECT FRANK FIX. IT'S GETTING TO THE POINT. AND IT'S ALSO TO THE POINT, WHICH IS DISCRETION. THIS IS DOCUMENT IM, ANYWAY, THAT'S THE STORY FOR A DIFFERENT DAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE MORE. YES, SIR. AND I GUESS MAYBE THIS MAY BE FOR OUR EXHIBIT. HOW LONG HAS THIS BEEN THIS WAY? HOW LONG HAS THE HOUSE BEEN IN THIS DISARRAY? I'M THINKING THREE TO FOUR YEARS. I, THE PROBLEM IS I HAD TO FIRST TRANSPLANT AND QUITE FRANKLY, THAT'S PART OF IT'S THOUGH. IT'S, THERE'S A COPY OF THE LIST. I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T, NOT HOW HERE, SEE, SO HOW MUCH TIMEFRAME DO YOU THINK YOU WOULD THAT, THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD TAKE? UH, DEPENDING ON, ACCORDING TO WHAT HE'S SAYING HERE. UH, UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS WEATHER CONTENT AND GETTING PEOPLE LIKE TO SHOW UP TO THE PROPERTY. UH, I THINK HE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT, UH, NOW I DON'T THINK HE SAID HE CAN'T. WELL, I APPRECIATE YOUR HONESTY. 'CAUSE I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING EITHER. OH, WELL I GREW UP, MY DAD AND I, I HAVE MY FATHER, MY BROTHER ALSO, WE DID THAT MOST FOR, SO NOW WE HAD SOMETHING THAT, HE MAY HAVE SOMETHING WE DON'T, WE ONLY HAD THREE OF US WORK, BUT HE MAY HAVE SOME PEOPLE, I DUNNO, HE HASN'T SHARED THAT INFORMATION. OKAY. THE, MY NEXT QUESTION IS, 'CAUSE I SEEM TO ASK MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE, AND THIS IS GONNA BE KIND OF A, JUST A BLUNT QUESTION. YES, SIR. AND PLEASE DON'T SHOOT THE MESSAGE FOR THE MESSAGE. NO. IS THE FACT THAT WE'RE FILING THESE PROCEEDINGS NOW IS WHY SOMETHING IS GOING TO GET STARTED VERSUS, OTHER THAN OTHER ISSUES. I, I RESPECT THE OTHER ISSUES THAT, THAT IT GOT TO THIS POINT. WE HAVE, WE'VE MADE DIFFERENCE PRIOR TO NOW. LIKE I SAID, YOU CAN'T PREVENT PEOPLE TO SHOW UP. OH, I TOTALLY RESPECT THAT. I, I I'VE CALLED THREE OR FOUR YARD S PART OF IT'S A PRETTY BIG JOB. OH YEAH. IT'S GONNA TAKE A COUPLE DAYS, YOU KNOW, IF I, IF I STILL HAVE MY LEGS UNDER IT. YES SIR. AND I RESPECT THAT. AND I, AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 10 YEARS AGO, UH, MYSELF, I'VE GOT A COUPLE HOUSES AND YEAH, IT TAKES LONGER TO DO NOW WHAT I USED TO DO IN A COUPLE DAYS. UH, AND, AND THERE'S GONNA BE A REAL STRUGGLE. WELL, I JUST CONTINUE STICKING MY FOOT IN MY MOUTH BY FINDING SOMEBODY THAT'S WILLING TO DO ENOUGH WORK TO GET IT DONE. NOW, CURRENTLY, UH, THERE IS NO ADD IN THE HOUSE. IT'S ALL CATHEDRAL AND VAULTED CEILING. SO ONCE THEY GET THAT DONE, GET THE RAFTER DONE, GET THE ROOF ON IT, WE'LL GET IT INSULATED AND A SHEET DROP. ONCE IT'S CLEANED OUT, CLEANED UP, I'LL CONSIDER TURNING ELECTRIC. EARL TOOK THE ELECTRIC POWER OUT AND THE LAST FREEZE, I TURNED THE WATER OFF AND THEN THE CITY TURNED IT OFF BECAUSE AUTO, SORRY ABOUT THAT. I JUST LEFT IT OFF. AND THE SAME THING WITH THE GAS. IF YOU ASKED TIME, TURN ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. YES, SIR. LOOKED LIKE THE SEARCH AND EVERYTHING WAS DONE IN JULY AND THIS IS OCTOBER. AND YOU'RE TELLING US THAT THE HOUSE IS STILL IN THE SAME SHAPE FROM JULY TO OCTOBER. YES, SIR. AND THAT, I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU'VE HAD TIME TO DO EVERYTHING, BUT YOU'VE HAD TIME TO DO SOMETHING. YEAH. I'M NOT GONNA ARGUE WITH YOU, BUT WITHIN THAT TIME, MY MOTHER'S BEEN IN THE HOSPITAL FOR TWO WEEKS, MY FATHER FOR ALMOST A WEEK AND A HALF BETWEEN TWO SETTINGS. AND I WAS IN METHODIST FOR TWO WEEKS. SO, AND THEY DIDN'T OVERLAP. WOULD YOU SAY YOUR SON'S GONNA HELP YOU NOW? [00:25:01] NOT BEFORE HE'S BEEN ON DOING EVERYTHING. THE PROBLEM IS THERE'S MULTIPLE PROBLEMS. I KNOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO WAIT THROUGH THAT. SOMEBODY ASK THROUGH MY PARENTS ALL THE TIME. THAT'S WHY MY WIFE'S NOT, SHE'S WITH THEM NOW. TOTALLY UNDERSTANDABLE. I CANNOT HANDLE IT. SO IT ALMOST REMOVES IF I'M GONE AND CHIEF YA, HE'S GOTTA STAY THERE, BUT THE CREW. SO THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE'RE HAVING. BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO BE THERE WITH YOUR CREW YOU HIRE, CORRECT? MM-HMM . YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE THE GENERAL FOREMAN PER SE? NO, THE GENERAL. SO THE, SO THE CREW COMES IN AND DOES THE WORK WITHOUT YOU BEING PRESENT? YES. WE ASKED SOMEBODY, WE ASKED, MY WIFE HAS SOLICITED SOMEONE TO ACT AS THE GENERAL FOREMAN. THE ONLY THING I SEE ON YOUR ESTIMATE HERE, WHICH WOULD BE MY CONCERN WITH THE ROOF, IS THERE'S NO WALL REPAIR, NO STUDS, THERE WON'T BE ANY WALL REPAIRED. THOSE WALLS ARE MADE CINDER BLOCK AND THEY'RE COATED WITH A, A, UH, RESIDENT CREDIT. UH, UH, I MEAN A FIBER, THIS, IN FACT, THE CENTER BLOCKS WERE STACKED. THERE'S CONCRETE STEEL ACROSS THE TOP, CONCRETE STEEL ON THE SIDE OF THE WINDOWS AND THE DOORS. UM, MR HAS LOOP. I MEAN, THE ONLY, THE ONLY ISSUE THAT, THE THING WITH ME IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS, AND I UNDERSTAND ALL THE STRUGGLES THAT YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH, BUT IF WE'VE BEEN, IF THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN LIKE THIS WAY FOR FOUR YEARS, THREE YEARS, GIVE IT MINIMUM. AND I MEAN THE, HOW THE PICTURES ARE PRESENTED AND HOW OUR ORDINANCES ARE WORDED. I MEAN, THIS REALLY SHOULDN'T BE MUCH OF A QUESTION. BUT I MEAN IT'S, I THE THING IS I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOURE COMING FROM. ASK QUESTION THIS POINT. I MEAN, I, I DON'T SEE ANOTHER WAY THAT WE COULD, THIS SAYS 65 DAYS THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO GET EVERYTHING FIXED UP TO CODE. THAT'S THE BREW AND THE INSIDE CLEANED UP AND MAKE IT OUT. THAT'S ALSO CLEANING ALL THE DEBRIS. DEBRIS AND THE, UH, THE VEGETATION ON THE OUTSIDE. NOW DOES THAT ADDRESS EVERYTHING THAT THE HOUSE NEEDS? NO. OR AT LEAST IT WOULD BE LIABLE FROM THAT STANDPOINT BECAUSE THE ROOF, WE SAW THAT THE EXTERIOR WALLS ARE ALREADY INSTALLED. AND THE NOW IS THERE MORE GONNA BE DONE IN THE HOUSE? MORE THAN LIKELY IT'LL HAVE TO BE NEW KITCHEN CABINETS THERE ROOM, UH, TRYING TO THINK. THE ONLY ISOLATED BENCH AND SHEET ROCK ON THE SIDE. YEAH. 'CAUSE I DON'T SEE ANYTHING HERE ABOUT ANY KIND OF HVAC EITHER. AND YOU'RE AT $120,000 TO GET IT. IT WORKS. AVAC WORKS. THAT'S THE OTHER FLYING WANT IS KIND OF A, I HAD HOUSE WHEN I WAS IN MY TEAM, IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT FOR, UH, LEWIS SIMPSON. IT'S A UNIQUE HOUSE IN THAT I SAID EARLIER, THERE'S NO ADD. IT'S BECAUSE THE AIR CONDITIONING JUNCTION IN THE CONCRETE FLOOR TO FLOOR, BASICALLY. NOW THE PLAN IS EVENTUALLY RIP ALL THAT OUT, POUR AS MUCH CONCRETE IN THOSE HOSE AS I CAN PUT AT, PUT CONVENTION. BUT THAT'S DOWN THE ROAD. AND FRANKLY, I GET TO A POINT, GET IT CLEANED UP. WELL, I CAN TOTALLY RESPECT THAT, BUT AT THAT POINT IT BECOMES LOT VALUE THEN. RIGHT? I'M SORRY. THEN IT BECOMES BASICALLY THE VALUE OF THE LOT, THE PROPERTY WHEN YOU GET TO THAT POINT. JUST A QUESTION BECAUSE I I, ACCORDING TO THIS, WE'RE GONNA SPEND 120 ON IT. I'M, THAT, THAT, THAT'S A, YOU UNDERSTAND, THAT'S A FINE GUY. I SUE IT A PIE IN [00:30:01] THE SKY, UH, ESTIMATE. 'CAUSE AS OF YET, NO ONE'S COME OUT TO LOOK AT THE ROOF. NO ONE'S LOOKED OUT THE SHEET ROCK. NO ONE'S BEEN OUT TO LOOK AT THE, SO HE'S JUST, HE'S FORMULATING IT. THE ONLY PERSON THAT'S ACTUALLY SEEN THE PROPERTY IS THE PERSON DOING THE, UH, VEGETATION BETWEEN COUNCIL. NOW THE REST OF HE'S RUNNING THE SAME PROBLEM. I ALREADY TO, HE'S GETTING ROOFING. SO THEN HOW, HOW DID, SO THEN, HOW DID THIS ESTIMATE COME ABOUT? THAT'S WHAT I SAID. IF HE JUST SIGNED, TOOK BASED ON MATERIAL THAT HE SEES NOW, WHAT HE DOESN'T, THAT'S THE, HE HAS TO PULL THE SH OFF THE, SORRY, HE HAD TO PULL THE DECKING OFF TO SEE WHAT ACTUALLY NEEDED TO BE REPLACED. THAT'S JUST WHAT HE CAN SEE. AND JUST WHAT HE COULD SEE IS 117,000, UM, THAT'S COVERED. THAT COVERS OTHER THINGS AS YOU KNOW, IF YOU'LL LOOK AT THAT. WELL, I'M JUST LOOKING HERE. WHAT IT REPAIR JUST SHOWS AND THEN IT SAYS UNKNOWN ITEMS. BUT IF YOU SAY THIS, I SEE A ROOF COST OF 78,000. WELL THEN IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE YOU PRICED ONE. I JUST HAD TWO PUT ON AND IT, IT, I'M, I'M NOT, I'M, I'M LAUGHING TO KEEP FROM CRYING AT THE COST OF THEM, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE. DO YOU KNOW THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THIS HOUSE BY ANY CHANCE? UM, 2000 PLUS. WELL, IT'S GONNA COST YOU $210 A SQUARE MINIMUM. THAT'S WITH NO DECKING DAMAGE. THAT'S JUST SEEING IT. I'LL HAVE TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. I DON'T HAVE A CHOICE. AND I, I, AND PLEASE, I I I WANT TO BE WITH YOU. BUT THEN WE'RE ALSO SIT UP HERE REPRESENTING A WHOLE LOT OF FOLKS. I KNOW THAT THAT'S REALLY TIRED OF SEEING IT IN THIS CONDITION. I KNOW THAT, I KNOW WE GET, WE GET CALLS, THEY MAKE OFFERS ON IT AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, I'LL BUY IT TO 30,000. YEAH. AND THAT GOES BACK TO THE LOT PRICE, WHICH BASICALLY AT THIS POINT, THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE EXCEPT FOR AN EXTENSIVE CLEANUP. IF YOU TEAR THE HOUSE DOWN, WHICH IS GONNA RUN INTO ANOTHER $40,000, AT LEAST DUMPSTERS HAVE GOTTEN CRAZY TOO. WHAT IN YOUR MIND DO YOU FEEL LIKE IN TIMEFRAME THAT YOU CAN MAKE YOUR NEIGHBORS HAPPY? BECAUSE THAT'S WHO WE HAVE TO MAKE HAPPY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE US HAPPY, BUT WE GOTTA DEAL WITH THE PEOPLE THAT'S OVER THERE THAT ARE UNHAPPY. I UNDERSTAND. I GUESS THAT'S NOT A TRUE STATEMENT. WE HAVE RULES AND LAWS WE'RE REQUIRED TO GO BY, BUT THIS ALL HAS COME UP DUE TO NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT. I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S A QUESTION I CAN'T ANSWER. OKAY. SHORT OF MAY SELL THE PROPERTY WHETHER THEY'RE AT A LOSS OR NOT, WITH SELLING THE PROPERTY AND SOMEBODY BUYING IT, THEY'D PROBABLY HAVE A FOUR MONTH TURNAROUND. I UNDERSTAND. BUT THIS IS A TOUGH ONE. YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF SITUATIONS HERE THAT ANYBODY THAT CAN'T BE SYMPATHETIC TO SOMETHING WRONG WITH. AND THEN THERE'S ALWAYS OLD FEELING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO AND WHAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO WITH RULES AND LAWS AND REGULATIONS. I UNDERSTAND. UM, I HAVE ONE QUESTION. UM, IS THE, THE HOUSE, UH, THERE'S NO LIEN HOLDERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. YOU'RE JUST, UH, WHO'S THE, WHO'S THE OWNER? FREE AND CLEAR. SO YOU'RE THE OWNER. FREE AND CLEAR. OKAY. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE ABOUT THAT. SO OUR JOB HERE IS WHAT, GO THROUGH THESE QUESTIONS AND ANSWER WHAT HE'S DONE. I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE BOARD AGAIN. OKAY. HE'S DONE. ARE YOU DONE? YES. OKAY. CITY ATTORNEY WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNSEL REVIEW. OKAY. SO THE BOARD, I, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THIS IS A DIFFICULT, YOU KNOW, UM, QUESTION UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES, RIGHT? UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD RECOMMEND, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST QUESTION I THINK IS PRETTY CLEAR. EVEN, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD, UH, PROBABLY AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, [00:35:01] THIS IS, UH, A STRUCTURE THAT HAS A LOT OF DAMAGE. YOU KNOW THAT IT'S A DANGEROUS AND UNSAFE STRUCTURE AS IT IS IN ITS CURRENT STATE. ALRIGHT? SO I WOULD REQUEST THAT, UH, Y'ALL ANSWER THAT FIRST QUESTION. YOU KNOW, TAKE A VOTE AND ANSWER THAT FIRST QUESTION AND MAKE A FINDING THAT IT'S A, A DANGEROUS STRUCTURE. WHENEVER YOU DO THAT AND YOU ENTER THAT ORDER, THAT IS A DANGEROUS STRUCTURE, THEN THAT GIVES Y'ALL JURISDICTION TO, UH, CONSIDER ANY REMEDY THAT YOU THINK IS APPROPRIATE. RIGHT? SO, UM, UH, IT IS NOTED THAT MR. HASLIP SAID THAT THE, THE BUILDING IS SECURE. UH, NOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE TO FIX IT, BUT IT MEANS THAT, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, IT'S NOT DANGER. IT'S LOCKED UP. IT'S NOT DANGER THAT PEOPLE WILL GO INSIDE AND POSE A DANGER. IT IS STILL COULD BE A FIRE DANGER AND, AND OTHER THINGS OF THAT DO THE INTERIOR. ALSO, IF YOU ORDER A REPAIR, THE REPAIR, IT ONLY HAS TO BE THAT AMOUNT THAT WOULD MAKE IT A SAFE STRUCTURE. SO IF THE CABINETS ARE NO GOOD AND NOBODY WOULD REALLY WANT TO LIVE IN THAT HOUSE 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE AC OR THE CABINETS ARE OR, YOU KNOW, ROTTED OUT OR THERE'S NO GOOD SHEET ROCK ON THE WALL, THAT'S NOT Y'ALL'S CONSIDERATION. HE DOESN'T HAVE TO FIX IT ALL THE WAY TO A PLACE THAT YOU OR I WOULD WANT TO LIVE. HE HAS TO FIX IT TO THE LEVEL THAT WOULD MAKE IT A, UH, REMEDY. THE, UH, THE VIOLATIONS THAT MAKE IT AN UNSAFE STRUCTURE. RIGHT? SO, UH, THAT WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE STRUCTURAL DAMAGE, UH, THE EXTENSIVE VEGETATION, UH, AND THEN THE CLEANUP ON THE INSIDE OR WHATEVER. SO, UM, SO THAT WOULD THEN BE UP TO Y'ALL'S DISCRETION. Y'ALL COULD SAY, HEY, LOOKING AT THE, UH, EXTENSIVE, I MEAN REALLY SOMEWHAT UNKNOWN DAMAGE. 'CAUSE WE ALL, YOU KNOW, THE OWNER HAS AGREED THAT, YOU KNOW, NO ROOFING COMPANY REALLY KNOWS FOR SURE UNTIL THEY ACTUALLY GET THERE AND START PULLING OFF SHINGLES AND SEE HOW MUCH OF THE DECKING HAS TO BE REPLACED. HOW MUCH OF THE RAFTERS AND WHAT'S THE TOTAL COST ON THAT GONNA BE, AND IS IT REALLY REALISTIC THAT HE WOULD BE ABLE TO COMPLETE THAT WITHIN THE 90 DAY TIMEFRAME? 'CAUSE I, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK OUR POSITION OR MY POSITION PRESENTING TO THE BOARD IS THAT BECAUSE HE DOESN'T REALLY HAVE, UH, SPECIFICS, HE HAS A GENERAL ESTIMATE, BUT IT'S NOT REAL SPECIFIC ABOUT THE TIMEFRAME THAT, UH, HE WOULDN'T QUALIFY FOR A GREATER THAN 90 DAY TIMEFRAME. SO, UM, Y'ALL COULD SAY, HEY, IN Y'ALL'S OPINION, YOU BELIEVE IS ECONOMICALLY IS NOT FEASIBLE AND YOU THINK THAT IT IS THE BEST FOR BEST WAY FORWARD IS TO GIVE THEM THE MINIMUM OF A A 30 DAYS AND THEN IT, IT'D BE DEMOLISHED IF IT'S NOT COMPLETED. OR YOU COULD GIVE THEM UP TO 90 DAYS. UM, AND, UH, EVEN IF YOU GIVE 'EM UP TO 90 DAYS, UM, YOU CAN HAVE IT MONITORED AND MONITOR THE PROGRESS. AND, UH, IF YOU CAN'T ACCOMPLISH IT WITHIN 90 DAYS, I MEAN, IT'S BEEN 90 DAYS SINCE MORE THAN 90 DAYS SINCE JULY. RIGHT? SO IF YOU CAN'T GET IT DONE OR MAKE PROGRESS, UH, THAT IS SUFFICIENT TO SATISFY THE BOARD, UM, UH, IN THE ORDER, IT COULD BE ORDERED TO BE DEMOLISHED. IF HE DOESN'T ACCOMPLISH THE TASK WITHIN 90 DAYS, UH, HE COULD REQUEST, IF YOU ORDER, IF YOU PROVIDE HIM 90 DAYS AND HE COMES BACK, LET'S SAY IN 60 DAYS AND HE HAS A CONTRACTOR AND THERE'S PROGRESS BEING MADE, UM, Y'ALL WOULD HAVE THE JURISDICTION THEN TO GIVE HIM AN EXTENSION OF, UH, GREATER THAN 90 DAYS AT THAT TIME. SO HE WOULD NEED TO, YOU KNOW, PULL, BUILD, BUILDING PERMITS, WORK WITH OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL, AND SHOW, UM, SOME ABILITY THAT HE'S ACTUALLY MAKING PROGRESS AND HE HAS AN ABILITY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT AND THEN REQUEST TO COME IN FRONT OF Y'ALL AGAIN, UH, BEFORE THAT 90 DAYS IS UP, UM, AND, AND REQUEST AN EXTENSION. BUT THAT WOULD THEN, IT WOULD STILL FALL UNDER THE RULE THAT HE HAS TO THEN PRESENT, HAVE GOT A CONTRACTOR, THEY'RE MAKING PROGRESS, WE'RE GONNA FINISH THIS JOB WITHIN A CERTAIN REASONABLE TIMEFRAME, AND Y'ALL WOULD THEN HAVE THE JURISDICTION, UH, IN LESS THAN 90 DAYS IF HE MADE PROGRESS IN LESS THAN 90 DAYS TO COME BACK AND RECONSIDER AND GRANT HIM AN EXTENSION OF MORE THAN THAT. BUT LIKE I SAID, THAT'S GOT TO BE BASED ON, UH, A VERY SPECIFIC PLAN AND A SHOWING THAT HE'S MAKING PROGRESS, UM, WITHIN THAT TIMEFRAME. SO THAT'S THE, THE RANGE OF Y'ALL'S DISCRETION. YOU KNOW, I, I'D RECOMMEND THAT STEP NUMBER ONE, HELP Y'ALL VOTE AND FIND THAT IT'S AN UNSAFE BUILDING. AND THEN STEP NUMBER TWO, SOMEBODY WOULD MAKE A MOTION AND Y'ALL HAVE A VOTE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL ORDER IT TO BE DEMOLISHED IN 30 DAYS OR Y'ALL GIVE 'EM SOME TIME BETWEEN 30 AND 90 DAYS TO MAKE REPAIRS. UM, AND SO I, I THINK THOSE ARE THE TWO, UH, OPTIONS BEFORE Y'ALL. AND IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF ME ABOUT LEGALLY WHAT Y'ALL CAN AND CAN'T DO, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS UNLESS HE SAID ITEM ONE, STEP ONE. QUESTION ONE, IS THE BUILDING A DANGEROUS [00:40:01] STRUCTURE? YES. YES. YES. UH, IT'S AFFIRMATIVE THAT THE BUILDING IS A DANGEROUS, DANGEROUS STRUCTURE. WE DON'T UNANIMOUS NEED TO ANSWER QUESTION TWO BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS, IS SECURED AND NO QUESTION THREE IS THE BUILDINGS SECURED, BUT STILL DANGEROUS. NO ONE CAN GET IN, BUT IT'S STILL A FIRE HAZARD. OKAY, SO DO I HAVE ANY HAVE ONE? YES. DO I HAVE ANY OTHER YESES? YES. YES. OKAY. THEN WE MOVE TO THE DEAD DEADLINE FOR COMPLIANCE. OPTION ONE IS NOT FEASIBLE 'CAUSE THE BUILDING IS SECURED AS IT SAYS, 30 DAYS TO SECURE THE SITE FROM UNAUTHORIZED ENTRY THAT'S ALREADY DONE, CORRECT? YEAH. YOUR OPTION NOW IS YOU JUST DECIDE ON OPTION TWO, YOU HAVE UP TO 90 DAYS TO, YOU COULD, YOU COULD GIVE OPTION TWO UP TO 90 DAYS TO START WORK OR DEMOLISH, CORRECT? CORRECT. YOU HAVE ACTUALLY, IT MAY BE MISLEADING OPTION NUMBER ONE. OPTION NUMBER ONE, YOU GIVE THEM 30 DAYS TO REPAIR OR DEMOLISH. IT CAN BE ANY DEPENDING TIME. YEAH. 30 DAYS TO 90. YEAH. OPTION TWO IS YOU GIVE THEM UP TO 90 DAYS TO REPAIR OR DEMOLISH IN YOUR ORDER. IT WILL BE AN ORDER TO DEMOLISH IF HE DOESN'T COMPLETE THE TASK WITHIN EITHER 30 DAYS OR 90 DAYS. AND, UH, I DON'T BELIEVE UNDER THE TESTIMONY THAT HE HAS THAT Y'ALL CAN CONSIDER OPTION NUMBER THREE AND GIVE HIM MORE THAN 90 DAYS. SO Y'ALL'S DECISION NOW IS ORDER HIM TO REPAIR OR DEMOLISH IN 30 DAYS OR REPAIR AND DEMOLISH WITHIN 90 DAYS. SO THAT ARE, THOSE ARE THE TWO OBJECTS BEFORE THE BOARD. AND I WILL NEED SOMEONE TO MAKE A MOTION. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, TO, UH, AFTER 30 DAYS OF NOWHERE, UH, TO ORDER, UH, DEMOLITION. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN ALAR THAT IF WORK DOES NOT COMMENCE WITHIN 30 DAYS TO ORDER DEMOLITION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. SECONDED BY COUNCIL MCRESS, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CAN I, CAN I ADD TO HIS MOTION AND SAY THAT WORK COMMENCING DOESN'T JUST MEAN SOMEONE CLEANING UP THE YARD AND MAKING IT LOOK BETTER ON THE OUTSIDE. IT MEANS PHYSICAL WORK HAPPENING ON THE STRUCTURE ITSELF, OR A PLAN TO DO SO, A REAL PLAN, NOT JUST A PIE IN THE SKY PLAN, UH, TO DO SO. AND, AND I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT, UM, YOU COULD DO THE ORDER, UH, UNDER, UNDER THE STATUTES, UNDER THE LAW. IT WOULD ACCOMMODATE YOUR MOTION. YOU HAVE TO GIVE A IF, IF YOUR, IF YOUR INCLINATION IS THAT YOU WANT TO SEE, YOU KNOW, TAKE ACTION, RIGHT? YOU NEED TO, YOU NEED TO DO AN ORDER THAT'S A FINAL ORDER. OKAY? AND SO THE FINAL ORDER WOULD BE REPAIRED, DEMOLISHED WITHIN A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME. UM, AND IF YOU GIVE HIM UP TO 90 DAYS, WE DO HAVE WHERE YOU CAN FILL IN, HE HAS CERTAIN MILESTONES HE HAS TO MEET DURING THAT 90 DAYS OF WHEN HE HAS TO COMMENCE WORK AND WHEN HE HAS TO COMPLETE THE WORK, WHEN HE GETS IT INSPECTED BY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR. AND IF YOU GIVE HIM UP TO 90 DAYS, THEN IF HE'S MADE PROGRESS, HE COULD COME BACK AND ASK FOR AN EXTENSION, RIGHT? SO IF, IF YOUR INTENTION IS LIKE, HEY, DO YOU WANT TO GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO DO SOMETHING RIGHT? UM, UM, AND A REALISTIC TIMEFRAME THAT HE COULD ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISH ALL OF THE REPAIR, THE NECESSARY REPAIRS, THEN YOU MAKE A MOTION BASED ON 90 DAYS. UM, AND THEN, AND ANOTHER THING THAT YOU KNOW, TO CONSIDER ALSO IS, I MEAN, MAYBE WE MADE IT PAST A HURRICANE SEASON, BUT UH, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE HOLE IN THE ROOF, UH, WITH A UNSOUND STRUCTURE, THERE IS SOME RISK, YOU KNOW, IN A HURRICANE, IF THE WAVE COMES IN, IT COULD TEAR APART THE ROOF AND, AND OTHER DEBRIS, YOU KNOW, INJURED NEIGHBORS. AND THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S A LEGITIMATE CONCERN. UH, WHEN YOU HAVE A STRUCTURE THAT'S, UH, IT'S NOT SECURED LIKE THAT, UM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT STRUCTURALLY SAFE, STABLE WHEN YOU HAVE A, A LARGE HOLE IN THE ROOF LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, ON A HIGH WIND, [00:45:02] WIND COULD GET INTO THAT AND, AND PULL UP FURTHER ROOF STRUCTURE, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE THE ARGUMENT TO GIVE HIM ONLY 30 DAYS. BUT REALISTICALLY, YOU KNOW, I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD SAY WOULD AGREE HE CAN'T ACCOMPLISH ALL THE TASKS IN 30 DAYS, RIGHT? UH, AND SO I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, THE TWO OPTIONS WOULD BE REPAIR OR DEMOLISH WITHIN 30 DAYS OR REPAIR AND DEMOLISH WITHIN 90 DAYS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A FINAL, YOUR ORDER HAS TO BE A FINAL ORDER. YOU KNOW, NOT A, NOT A CONTINGENT ORDER LIKE THAT. LIKE AS YOUR MOTION WAS MOTION FOR 90 DAYS, IT WAS FOR 30. IT WAS FOR 30. SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE, YOU COULD, YOU HAVE, SO AMEND YOUR ORDER, AMEND YOUR MOTION, YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO AMEND THE MOTION TO 90 DAYS, UH, AMEND THE MOTION. I I DON'T TAKE A POSITION OF IT'S 90 DAYS OR 30 DAYS, BUT, UH, IF YOU WANT TO SEE, IF YOU WANT TO GIVE 'EM A CHANCE TO MAKE SOME PROGRESS AND HIRE A CONTRACTOR AND ACTUALLY MAKE YOU SEE SOME RESULTS WORK DONE, THEN I WOULD RECOMMEND A A 90 DAY RECOMMEND THAT HE HAS 90 DAYS TO COMPLETE THE WORK WE'RE DEMOLISH. YES SIR. THE CONTRACTOR WE HAVE WOULD'VE ALREADY PULLED PERMITS, BUT I DON'T KNOW, DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT WAS GONNA TRANSPIRE THIS MEETING AND I DIDN'T CODE, SO I ASKED HIM TO HOLD IT UP. IF YOU DON'T MIND ME ASKING, IS THIS THE CONTRACTOR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH POOL PERMIT? YES. THIS IS NOT A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY. THIS IS A CONSULTING COMPANY. I JUST LOOKED IT UP ON MY PHONE. THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY THEY TOOK A STAB AT IT. THIS COMPANY HIRES OTHER COMPANIES AND HELPS YOU MANAGE THOSE. ACCORDING TO WHAT I JUST GOOGLED, ACCORDING TO WHAT MY WIFE SAID, THE GENTLEMAN THAT'S GONNA DO THIS IS MARRY RELATED SOMEHOW TO ONE OF THE TEACHERS SHE WANTS TO DO. AND IT'S HIM AND THREE OR FOUR OTHER PEOPLE THAT DO THE CAR PAPERWORK. NOW IF IT'S, IF IT'S SOMETHING TOO BIG, THEN THEY FARM OUT TO OTHER, THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE THAT THEY'VE USED. I RESPECT THAT. SO WHAT IT BO SO AT THIS POINT WITH ME, HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN OUT OF? I DON'T KNOW THE WORD TO USE, NOT LEGALITY, BUT HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN IN VIOLATION OF OUR ORDINANCE? THREE, FOUR YEARS? I DON'T SEE THAT 90 DAYS IS GONNA CHANGE THAT. I DON'T SEE HOW YOU CAN GET IT DONE IN 90 DAYS. WELL, IT'S BEEN ACTUALLY BEEN OUT SINCE THE BARREL WHENEVER THAT WAS. OKAY, [Ill. ACTION TAKEN AS RESULT OF PUBLIC HEARING] SO WE GOT A MOTION A SECOND. YOU GOT A MOTION? GOT A MOTION THEN A SECOND TO REPAIR OR DEMOLISH WITHIN 30 DAYS? YES. I HAVE A, A MOTION. THEN A SECOND I'LL ENTERTAIN A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. IT'S UNANIMOUS. YOU HAVE 30 DAYS TO MAKE REPAIRS OR DEMOLISHED. AND, UH, WE HAVE A, A, A PREPARED ORDER FOR THE, UH, CHAIRMAN TO COMPLETE AND SIGNED AND, UH, AFTER IT IS COMPLETED AND SIGNED UNTIL TO BE TO THE SECRETARY, AND, UH, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO PROBABLY, UH, TOMORROW OR, UH, WE COULD PROBABLY GET MR. UM, HAYLEY TO DELIVER A COPY OF IT. OKAY. COULD I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION? OKAY. UH, YES SIR. OF YOU OR YES SIR. MR. HASSON, I HEARD AN OPTION READ ABOUT IF HE CAN'T HAVE THE MEANS TO DISPOSE OF THIS OR WHATEVER, THAT THERE WAS A OPTION FOR, I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN ANYBODY'S MOUTH FOR THE CITY. SO IF, IF HE FAILS TO DO SO, THEN THE CITY WILL HAVE TO TAKE ACTION AND THEN WE PLACE A LIEN AGAINST THE PROPERTY PENDING SALE, RIGHT IN THE, IN THE ORDER, UH, IN THE, IN THE STANDARD CONDEMNATION CONDEMNATION ORDER THAT I HAVE TO REPORT FOR. UH, HE HAS THE 30 DAYS, IF HE DOESN'T, ISN'T ABLE TO DO IT WITHIN THE 30 DAYS. UH, THE CITY HAS ALREADY PRE-APPROVED CONTRACTORS THAT WE DO DEMOLITIONS WITH. AND UM, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT PROCESS TAKES, BUT, UH, AND, AND A LOT OF TIMES WE'LL HAVE PEOPLE THAT WILL AGREE SIGN AN AGREED DEMOLITION, UM, AND THEN THE CITY PAYS FOR THE DELI DEMOLITION AND THEN WE PUT THE LIEN ON THE PROPERTY. SO IF THEY SELL THE LOT, UM, IT, YOU KNOW, IT'LL BE A REIMBURSED AND THAT'S A, TYPICALLY, I THINK IT'S AROUND 5,000. BUT YOU KNOW, FROM THE DESCRIPTION OF THIS HOUSE, IF IT IS CINDER BLOCKS AND SO FORTH, IT MAY BE SIGNIFICANT MORE. I DON'T KNOW THE EACH, THE VENDOR, THE CONTRACTOR THAT DOES THAT FOR THE CITY WILL GO AND LOOK AT IT AND MAKE AN ESTIMATE. BEFORE WE DO ANY, MAY I ASK ONE [00:50:01] MORE QUESTION, PLEASE. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. UM, IF I GET TO THE CLOSE TO THE END OF THE 30 DAYS PROGRESS BEEN NOT ENOUGH, YOU STILL, I DON'T HAVE THE OPTION FOR AN EXTENSION. UM, YOU CAN ALWAYS REQUEST A PERIOD BACK BEFORE THE, THE BOARD, HOWEVER, THERE IS SOME TIME LAG BECAUSE WE'RE REQUIRED TO SET A MEETING AND 10 DAYS, 10 DAYS NOW IS THAT'S GONNA BE, THAT BE A TYPE WINDOW, BUT IT IS. SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO GET TO WORK NOW. YEAH, I'M TRYING TO GET SOMEBODY OUT HERE FOR ONCE. WELL, JUST LETTING YOU KNOW. YES, IT IS AN OPTION APPEARED BACK BEFORE THE BOARD WITHIN THE 30 DAYS IF THE, IF THE MEETING CAN BE SCHEDULED AFTER Y'ALL MISSPOKE. THERE'S NOTHING, NOTHING FURTHER. UH, I GUESS WE'LL COMPLETE THE ORDER PRESENTED TO THEM. YEAH, WE COMPLETE IT AFTER THE MEETING. YEAH. THE, THE ORDER WILL BE COMPLETED AND PRESENTED TO YOU AT TOMORROW? YES, SIR. ALRIGHT. UH, NOTHING ELSE. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. UH, ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED. SO NEXT I WILL BE ADJOURNMENT. I'LL MAKE A MOTION. MOTION BY COUNCILMAN AGUILAR, SECOND BY COUNCIL . ALL ALL IN FAVOR. A PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW ADJO. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.