* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [I. COMMENCEMENT] [00:00:02] NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN OF A COUNCIL MEETING TO BE HELD ON THURSDAY, OCTOBER THE 23RD, 2025, AT SHORTLY AFTER 7:00 PM AND THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS OF KLU CITY HALL, LOCATED AT 1 0 8 MAIN STREET, FLU, TEXAS 7 7 5 3 1. FOR THE BELOW LISTED ITEMS, CITY COUNCIL RESERVES THE RIGHT TO ADJOURN AT THE EXECUTIVE SESSION AT ANY TIME DURING THE COURSE OF THIS MEETING TO DISCUSS ANY MATTERS LISTED ON THE AGENDA AS AUTHORIZED BY THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, SECTIONS 5 5 1 0.071. CONSULTATION WITH AN ATTORNEY. 5 5 1 0.072 DELIBERATION ABOUT REAL PROPERTY. 5 5 1 0 7 3. DELIBERATION ABOUT GIFTS AND DONATIONS. 5 5 1 0 7 4 PERSONNEL MATTERS. 5 5 1 0 7 6. DELIBERATION ABOUT SECURITY DEVICES 5 5 1 0 8 7. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT 4 8 1 7 5 8 3 DELIBERATIONS ABOUT HOMELAND SECURITY ISSUES AND IS AUTHORIZED BY THE TEXAS TAX CODE. INCLUDE BUT NOT LIMITED SECTIONS 3 2 1 0.3022 SALES TAX INFORMATION. THE AGENDA MEETING PACKET AND VIDEO LINK ARE POSTED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE@WWW.KLUTEXAS.GOV. TO ADDRESS COUNCIL DURING PUBLIC COMMENTS, A GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT FORM MUST BE COMPLETED AND A PRESENTED TO THE CITY CLERK BEFORE THE START OF THE COUNCIL MEETING. SPEAKERS MUST OBSERVE THE FIVE MINUTE TIME LIMIT. THE RECORDING OF THE VIDEO MEETING WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE UPON WRITTEN REQUEST TO THE PUBLIC IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE MEETINGS ACT. THE MEETING HAS NOW BEEN CALLED TO ORDER. MR. BOND. WOULD YOU CARE TO BLESS US? THANK YOU. MEETING. WE JUST HOPE THAT EVERYBODY CAN COME BEST FOR EVERYBODY. THIS CONTINUE, EVERYBODY UNDER PLEDGE PLEASE. I PLEDGE FLAG TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA RELEVANT FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE ALL. NEXT ITEM [Il. Citizens/Visttors COMMENTS ] I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION S AND VISITORS COMMENTS. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITIZENS AND VISITORS WHO SPEAK TO COUNCIL RELATING TO NON-AG AGENDA ITEMS. SPEAKERS ARE ADVISED THAT COMMENTS CANNOT BE RECEIVED ON MATTERS WHICH ARE THE SUBJECT OF A PUBLIC HEARING. ONCE A PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN CLOSED, SPEAKERS ARE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT FORM IN ADVANCE AND PRIOR TO THE MEETING, IT MUST LIMIT THEIR PRESENTATIONS TO FIVE MINUTES EACH. I DO HAVE SOME FOLKS THAT HAVE SIGNED UP FOR GENERAL COMMENT THING, BUT I BELIEVE THIS IS IN REGARDS TO A AGENDA ITEM. YOU WISH TO SPEAK ABOUT THE ALLEGED, THE, THE CHURCH ISSUE, CORRECT? YES. SO YOU'LL TAKE PART AT THAT, AT THAT POINT OF THE, OF THE, OF THE AGENDA. YEAH. I MEAN, SINCE IT'S, SINCE IT'S THE PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE FOR NON AGENDA ITEMS THAT I BELIEVE THAT THIS, THE, THE COMMENTS THAT ARE IN THIS, UH, IN THIS, UH, IN THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS, WE REFER BACK TO THE AGENDA ITEM. SO IT CAN ALL BE DISCUSSED AT THAT POINT. SO WE WILL MOVE FROM THAT INTO [III. CONSENT AGENDA ] THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS THE CONSENT AGENDA. AND ITEMS LISTED UNDER CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED ROUTINE AND GENERALLY ENACTED IN ONE MOTION. THE ACCEPTANCE OF THIS RULE IS THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY REQUEST ONE OR MORE ITEMS BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR SEPARATE ACTION. TONIGHT'S CONSENT AGENDA CONSISTS OF ACCOUNTS PAYABLE REPORT WEEKEND IN OCTOBER THE 10TH, 2025, AND WEEKEND OCTOBER THE 17TH, 2025 AND MINUTES FROM A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING ON OCTOBER THE NINTH, 2025 AT 7:00 PM DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? I'LL MAKE SET MOTION. HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL CHRIS SECOND ABOUT COUNCIL BEN AGUILAR, ANY ITEMS NEED TO BE REMOVED? WELL, I DON'T WANNA HOLD THE MEETING UP, UH, BUT I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR THE WEEKEND OF OCTOBER 10TH ON ACCOUNTS PAYABLE. BUT CAN WE DO, CAN WE MOVE THAT TOWARDS THE END OR DOES IT NEED TO BE DONE NOW? DOESN'T MATTER. WE CAN DO IT NOW. OKAY. WELL, I'LL TRY TO MAKE THIS SHORT. I GOT A WHOLE LOT, I GOT A WHOLE LOT MORE YELLOW BUTTONS THAN I'VE GOT, AND I'M JUST GONNA DO THIS FOR CLARIFICATION. OKAY. UH, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT FIVE POS THAT CAN, THAT TOTAL UP TO OVER $40,000. [00:05:03] I UNDERSTAND WE'RE STILL USING THE SAME COMPANY WORD, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE GOT A PRICE INCREASE, UH, OR MAYBE JUST TO CUT THROUGH THE MEETING AND MAYBE, MAYBE I COULD GET A BREAKDOWN OF SOME OF THESE BECAUSE THE LAST TIME I QUESTIONED SOMETHING, I DIDN'T QUITE HAVE ALL MY FACTS. UH, THE RICHWOOD LIFT STATION. UH, AND INSTEAD OF GOING INTO ALL THE EVERYTHING, UH, I ALWAYS WONDER WHY THERE'S FOUR OR FIVE POS FOR THE SAME AMOUNT AND THEY'RE ALL DUE AT THE SAME TIME. SO I'M ASSUMING THE WORK WAS DONE ALL AT THE SAME TIME. AND JUST TO CUT IT SHORT, WHAT GOT MY ATTENTION IS THE CITY'S PAYING $425 FOR A BOOM TRUCK TO PULL PUMPS. AND I THINK WE NEED TO CHECK INTO THAT. OKAY. THAT IS ON STATION. THESE THINGS ARE ALL AT THE SAME TIME. SITUATIONS. ONE MAIN, THIS STATION OVER HERE ON HOLDING THE ROAD. THERE'S THREE PUMPS IN THIS DRY WELL AND RECALL SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WE HAD A PUMP REPLACEMENT IN THERE. IT'S NOT SIMPLE PUMP THAT YOU PULL OUT THROUGH A WET WELL, IT'S IN A DRYWALL AREA, SO YOU HAVE TO TAKE THAT PUMP APART INSIDE OF THAT DRY WELL PIECES AND PULL IT THROUGH A HOLE TO THE TOP OF THE WEAPON. I'VE BEEN IN THAT DRY WELL, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. YEAH. IT'S NOT JUST PULLING THE PUMP OUT. YOU GOTTA PUT A BLIND IN THERE. WE ALSO, UH, HAVE TO PUT A BYPASS IN THAT STATION BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY OF TAKING THE SEWER OUT IN ANY WAY. SO WE HAD TO PUT, UH, A BACKUP ON IT WITH THE PUMPS TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THE SEWER FLOWING. SO WE HAVE A BACKUP IN THAT DRIVEWAY. IT WAS DONE IN PHASES. NOW, THE PUMP, THERE WAS ONE, ONE OF THOSE INVOICES BEFORE THE PUMP. YEAH, THERE'S SEV YEAH, THERE'S SEVERAL. THERE'S HERE, THERE'S 16 HOURS OF PUMP. AND THEN ONCE AGAIN, I KNOW THE BRIEF DESCRIPTIONS, UH, THERE WAS A $12,000 BILL FOR TO DISCONNECT THE PUMP AND ASSEMBLY AND PIPING AND THE REMOVAL OF THE PUMP. THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER $7,500 PO FOR COMMENTS. UH, AND THAT WAS THE FABRICATE PIPING. THERE WAS ANOTHER $7,500 PO TO RECEIVE THE PUMP AND SKID AND UNCRATE IT. NEEDLESS TO SAY, THAT GOT MY ATTENTION IN A HURRY. AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS FOR 10,000 AND SOME ODD DOLLARS TO INSTALL THE NEW PUMP AND THEN ANOTHER $500 TO CONTINUE INSTALLING THE PUMP. I CAN CERTAINLY GIVE YOU A BREAKDOWN OF YEAH. AND THEN, AND I'M MIGHT HAVE TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT HERE AND I NO, IT'S, BUT IT'S JUST, UH, THESE THINGS JUMP OFF THE PAPER AND ME WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MONEY, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AS A PO IT, IT IS VERY HARD TO PUT THAT INFORMATION. I UNDERSTAND. SO I'LL BE GLAD TO GIVE YOU A FULL BREAKDOWN OF YOUR ENTIRE PROCESS. IT WASN'T THIS PROCESS. IT TOOK, UH, JOE BASE, UH, SEVERAL WEEKS TO EVEN GET THE PUMP HERE. IT, IT WAS NOT, LIKE I SAID, A SIMPLE PUMP. YOU PULL OUT THE WET WELL. RIGHT. AND THEN THE PROCESS OF GETTING IT IN AND OUT AND GETTING THE, UH, CHECK VALVES IN. IT WAS A, IT WAS A LEAKING PROCESS AND THE BOOM TRUCK WAS THERE FOR SEVERAL THOSE HOURS TRYING TO EVEN GET THE PUMP OUT. AND YOU'VE BEEN IN THAT, THAT YES, SIR. DRY, SIR. WELL, AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING. 'CAUSE IT SAYS THIS IS A SKID PUMP, BUT IT IT IS ON A SKID. RIGHT. BUT YOU HAD TO PUT IT IN THERE ON THAT SKID INSIDE THE RIGHT LITTLE, UH, DRY. WELL, SO IT COMES ON THE SKID, WHICH YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT APART IN PIECES AND SLIP IT THROUGH A HOLE ABOUT, ABOUT A FOUR, TWO INCH TER HOLE THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DROP IT INTO AND THEN SET IT UP ON THE INSIDE. YEAH. THE FIRST TRAIN WRECK I GOT INTO WHEN I GOT ON COUNCILS WAS ABOUT THAT LIFT STATION. SO I HAVE BEEN HERE THAT THERE, THE ONE THAT FLOODED YEARS AGO, BECAUSE IT WAS NOT A LIE MAN TO PUT INTO IT. YEAH. UH, BUT NO, I, I'LL THAT, OKAY, I'LL GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT. AND I APOLOGIZE FOR HOLDING UP THE MEETING. I JUST WANT TO, I JUST WANTED TO QUESTION THAT. I'LL GIVE YOU A FULL BREAKDOWN. THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION, JOHN. THESE BUDGETED REPAIRS THAT WE HAD IN MINORITY, OR THAT WAS AN EMERGENCY REPAIR, THAT PUMP WENT OUT AND WE, IT WENT OUT. YOU HAVE THREE PUMPS IN THERE. THAT STATION THERE PICKS UP ALL PARK WOOD SHORE, CALLED BIRD. AND THE CITY OF RIDGEWOOD, ACTUALLY FROM THEIR STATION OVER THERE, OFF BOULEVARD, GOES INTO THAT FIELD THERE. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE TRACKS BETWEEN THAT LITTLE STATION AND ROAD. SO YOU HAVE NO WAY OF BYPASS IT ACROSS THE TRACKS. ONE WAY YOU CAN BYPASS IT EASY, HOOK UP A PUMP AND PUMP IT DOWNSTREAM RIGHT THERE OUTSIDE THE HOLE, OR RUN A DISCHARGE LINE DOWN AND UNDERNEATH THE TRACKS, WHICH WE HAD TO DO ONE TIME BEFORE. SO IT, IT IS A UNIQUE SITUATION. AND, UH, THESE PUMPS, THEY'RE EXPENSIVE. AND PROCESS FOR DOING IT IS EXPENSIVE. WELD. I I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE IT BEFORE WE START DOING THESE OTHER VISITATION. YEAH. NO, THIS STATION ARE NOTHING LIKE THIS. I, I, I KNOW BUMPY ROAD'S NOT. I'VE BEEN IN IT. I'VE BEEN IN THAT ONE. [00:10:01] I HADN'T BEEN ON THEM OTHER ONES. UH, BUT THE ROAD IS COMMERCIAL FULL. YEAH. BUT THIS IS A TOTALLY SEPARATE SITUATION. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. IT'S NOT AN AGENDA ITEM. UH, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THAT YOU THAT WE REPAIRED THIS ONE THAT WE HAD PROBLEM LAST TIME? WE REPLACED A PUMP IN THERE. I WANT TO SAY IT WAS PROBABLY AROUND 2014. MAYBE. IT'S BEEN, THINK IT WAS FOUR CJ. I THINK IT WAS, IT WAS BEFORE ME BEFORE. THAT WAS WHEN THE STATION FLOODED. IT WAS, IT WAS BEFORE I GOT HERE. I KNOW THAT THOUSAND. YEAH, IT FLOODED. I'LL BE, THANK YOU. I WILL SAY THAT THAT STATION DOES HAVE A LOT OF VOLUME. OH, GEEZ. . YEAH. HUGE. NOT, NOT AS MUCH AS BUMPY ROAD, THOUGH. THANK YOU JUDGE, FOR QUITE A BIT. HAD A MOTION TO THE SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. I'LL ENTER, I'LL ENTERTAIN A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. A UNANIMOUS. THE CONSENT AGENDA HAS BEEN APPROVED. WE WILL NOW [IV. BUSINESS ITEMS ] MOVE INTO THE BUSINESS ITEMS. AND ITEM A IS A REQUEST TO APPEAR BEFORE COUNCIL ANGELICA VALEZ TO DISCUSS POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS. SOLUTIONS THAT MAY ALLOW FOR CHURCH SERVICES AT SEVEN 30 SOUTH MAIN STREET. HI, I'M ANGEL VALEZ. WE ARE JESUS IN THE YANKEE CHURCH. WE'RE HERE INCLUDE, WE DON'T RESIDE HERE IN, BUT WE ARE FROM LAKE JACKSON AND SUBJECTS TO, TO TOUCH ON. AND, UH, THIRD CONCERNS OF HONORS TWO. UM, OUR FIRST CONCERN IS THAT, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE'RE ABLE TO GET PAST, WE WERE GIVEN A LIST BY THE INSPECTION AND OUR LIST HAS BEEN COMPLET JULY. AND, UH, WE WE'RE STILL OUTSIDE OUTDOORS. WE'RE HAVING CHURCH OUTDOORS DUE TO THE RECORDER. AND THAT'S OUR FIRST, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET PAST THAT TODAY. AND THEN SECOND TO THAT. UM, WELL, BECAUSE WE THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME, UH, WAYS THAT WE CAN EXPLAIN CODES AND THAT'S WHY HE'S HERE WITH US TODAY. THIS IS WHEN WE RUNNING, THIS IS, HELLO. I WANNA EXPLAIN EVERYTHING AND I WANT EVEN ADDRESS SO EVERYBODY CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE WE AT. UM, SO MY NAME IS PASTOR. I'M M I'M STEVEN, AND I'M A PASTOR AT GENESIS CHURCH. INCLUDE RIGHT THERE AT 4 0 6 EAST MAIN. THAT WAS FORMERLY TEMPLE BAPTIST CHURCH. UH, I WANT TO BEGIN BY SAYING THANK Y'ALL FOR ALL'S TIME AND HEARING OUR CASE. UM, WE TRULY RESPECT THE CITY, THE COUNCIL, THE PROCESS. UH, WE'RE NOT HERE TO BE COMBATIVE. WE'RE HERE TO SEE CLARITY AND FAIRNESS BASED ON THE LAW AS IT'S WRITTEN. AND SO I HAVE, UH, A MEMBER OF OUR CHURCH AS YOU PASSED OUT THE, UH, SECTION 4.4 OF THE CURRENT CLUE CODES IT SECTION. IT'S THE SECTION OF NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURES. SO OUR CHURCH WAS BUILT IN LIKE THE FIFTIES, RIGHT? TEMPLE BAPTIST CHURCH. UM, THIS IS THE SECTION THAT BASICALLY EXPLAINS THAT WE SHOULD BE GRANDFATHERED. OUR BUILDING IS GRANDFATHERED. BASICALLY WHAT THAT MEANS, UM, JUST TO PUT IT SIMPLY, UM, IF THE BUILDING WAS LAWFUL WHEN IT WAS BUILT, WHICH IT WAS IN THE FIFTIES, IT REMAINS LAWFUL NOW. SO EVEN IF NEW RULES WERE ADDED LATER, AS LONG AS IT HASN'T BEEN CHANGED, IT SHOULD STILL BE MUFFLED. AND IF SHE COULD PASS OUT THAT FIRST PAGE TO ALL HAVE TO SEE FOR YOURSELF. WE HAVE A HIGHLIGHTED IN SECTION 4.4 OF CURRENT CODES. BUT THAT EXPLAINS THAT OUR CHURCH, RIGHT. THE BUILDING THOUGH, IT'S NOT UP TO CURRENT CODE, JUST BECAUSE AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS BUILT, IT WAS UP TO CODE. IT'S STILL LAWFUL. SO THOSE NONCONFORMING IS STILL LAWFUL. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND SO WE DID HAVE A MEETING, UM, NOT LONG AGO WITH THE CITY, WITH, UH, ATTORNEY CHRIS DUNCAN WITH THE CITY MANAGER. UM, HE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT OUR CHURCH WAS GRANDFATHERED. HE SAID, YEAH, LIKE WORD FOR WORD. HE SAID, YEAH, I ACKNOWLEDGED THAT. BASICALLY HE SAID, BUT THE PROBLEM AND WHY OUR CHURCH IS CLOSED RIGHT NOW AND WHY WE'RE HAVING TO HAVE, UM, CHURCH OUTSIDE RIGHT NOW, UH, IS BECAUSE OF THE P RIGHT. SPECIFIC USE PERMITS. SO THE TIME IS YOU CAN HAND OUT THAT NEXT PAGE. SO THIS IS THE ORIGINAL SVP LAW, AND IT WAS PASSED IN 1975, RIGHT? LAW 1975, RIGHT? AND BASICALLY THE SEP LAW HAS BEEN ABOUT TO PASSED OUT. UH, I HAVE IT CIRCLED. UM, IT SAYS IT [00:15:01] IS, IT IS PERMANENT, RIGHT? THAT S THE SPECIFIC USE LAW OR THE SPECIFIC USE T IS PERMANENT AS LONG AS IT REMAINS, UH, THAT USE, IF YOU CHANGE THE USE, THEN THE, THE SP GETS TERMINATED. THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS IN THE LAW ON THE CODE. EXCUSE ME. PASS THAT OFF. SO IS EVERYBODY WITH ME SO FAR? RIGHT? THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE CLOSING, RIGHT? THAT IS GRANDFATHERED. BUT THE SP THAT'S FORCING US TO BRING THE CHURCH UP TO CODE. EXCUSE ME. ARE YOU INTRODUCED? ARE YOU DOING THEM OR US? UH, YEAH, BUT I JUST WANT UNDERSTAND. SO THEY WE'RE THE ONE THAT'S GONNA END UP HAVING TO MAKE THE MIND UP, JUST MAKING SURE. I'M SORRY, WE'RE JUST, SO, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WHETHER YOU'RE ADDRESSING THEM OR WE'RE SUPPOSED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO. YEAH. I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND FOLLOW UP, RIGHT? SO THAT'S JUST PERMANENT. YOU CAN SEE CLEARLY IT'S CIRCLED PERMANENT, RIGHT? RIGHTS WERE INTENDED, RIGHT? THE SPIRIT OF THE LAW WAS, IT WAS PERMANENT. UM, SO I, I WANT TO START BY ACKNOWLEDGING, RIGHT, UM, UNDER THE CURRENT, CURRENT ORDINANCE, YES, RIGHT? CHURCHES ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, ALL SAYS IN ANY DISTRICT, RIGHT? SO YES, WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT OFFICERS ARE SUPPOSED TO RIGHT BY THAT CODE 1975 ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE AN SUP. THE INTENT BEHIND THE SUP MAKES SENSE. IT GIVES THE CITY A WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THAT CERTAIN LAND USES FIT THEIR SURROUNDINGS, THAT IT MAKES SENSE FOR THE COMMUNITY. ALL RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT AN SP IS. FOR EXAMPLE, YOU WOULDN'T WANT, UH, TO APPROVE THE LIQUOR STORE RIGHT NEXT TO AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. RIGHT? THAT'S WHYS ARE THERE, RIGHT? UM, OR A 24 HOUR NIGHTCLUB IN THE MIDDLE OF A QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT? THAT'S WHATS ARE FOR. UM, IT'S TO MAKE SURE THAT THE USE OF A PROPERTY IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA AROUND, RIGHT? OKAY. OUR SITUATION IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, RIGHT? OUR CHURCH BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED LONG BEFORE 1975, UH, BEFORE S EXISTED INCLUDED THE PREVIOUS OWNERS TEMPLE BAPTIST CHURCH. UH, THEY NEVER NEEDED OR HAD AN SEP, RIGHT? AS Y'ALL ACKNOWLEDGED, THEY NEVER HAD AN SP, THEY DIDN'T NEED ONE BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE REQUIRING THEM DIDN'T EXIST YET, RIGHT? BASICALLY, IT WAS GRANDFATHER WHEN Y'ALL SAID THAT YOURSELVES, RIGHT? DUN DID. HE SAID THAT'S WHY, RIGHT? WE DIDN'T, OR THEY DIDN'T NEED AN SEP RIGHT BEFORE US WHEN WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, WE DIDN'T CHANGE THE USE. IT'S STILL A CHURCH, RIGHT? IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A CHURCH THAT REMAINS CHURCH TO THIS DAY. SO THAT MEANS OUR PROPERTY AND OUR STRUCTURE, OUR GRANDFATHER, RIGHT? AND 4.6 IS, UH, THE, WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT, UH, USAGE OR 4.5, BUT THAT MEANS, RIGHT, OUR PROPERTY AND OUR STRUCTURE, OUR GRANDFATHER. SO IN ZONING TERMS, OUR USE AS A CHURCH IS CONFORMING. SO IT'S ALLOWED, WHAT'S NON-CONFORMING IS THE STRUCTURE ITSELF, RIGHT? THERE'S BEEN NEW LAW CODES, RIGHT? THE BUILDING WAS BUILT BEFORE TODAY'S BUILDING CODES AND ZONING STANDARDS. DECEASED OWN CODE, RIGHT? AS Y'ALL HAVE BEFORE, Y'ALL HIGHLIGHTED. SECTION 4.4 PROTECTS NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ALTERED. IT STATES THAT THEY CAN REMAIN AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT ENLARGED OR MODIFIED, RIGHT? AND THAT'S OUR CHURCH. WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY RENOVATIONS TO THE CHURCH, NOTHING MAJOR. WE GONNA ADD NOTHING OR DESTROY ANYTHING. THE SEP ORDINANCE ITSELF, GOING BACK TO 1975, CLEARLY SAYS THATS ARE PERMANENT. AS LONG AS THE USE DOESN'T CHANGE, IT IS ALL ABOUT THE USE, RIGHT? THERE'S NOTHING IN THE ORDINANCE THAT SAYS A CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP CANCELS THAT. RIGHT? THERE'S NOTHING IN THE ORDINANCE THAT SAYS GETTING AN SP REQUIRES FOR BRINGING THE BUILDING UP TO CURRENT CODE. THAT'S NOTHING. IT'S NOTHING IN THE LAW. THE ORDINANCE, YET, THE CITY'S POSITION RIGHT NOW IS THAT, EXCUSE ME, READ THE BOTTOM LINE. I'M SORRY. READ THE BOTTOM LINE ON THE PAGE YOU HANDED OUT. UM, I DON'T HAVE ONE. CAN YOU, GRANTING OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT DOES NOT EXEMPT THE APPLICANT FROM COMPLYING WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE BUILDING CODE OR OTHER ORDINANCES. OKAY? SO EVEN IF RIGHT. THAT WE WERE BEFORE, RIGHT? ARE THE CHURCHES BUILT BEFORES WERE REQUIRED SOS RIGHT? CAN BE RETROACTIVELY ENFORCED NOW. AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE POINT THAT WE'RE MAKING OUR CHURCHES BUILT IN THE 1950S, RIGHT? A LATER SEP LAW CAN BE RETROACTIVELY ENFORCED NOW, RIGHT? UM, THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL ARE SAYING. WE'LL HAVE TO BRING OUR ENTIRE BUILDING. THE WHOLE PROBLEM IS WE WOULD'VE NO PROBLEM DOING AN INSPECTION AND BRINGING IT UP TO, TO, BUT THE REASON, UH, WHY IT'S SUCH A PROBLEM, BECAUSE WE DID A LOT OF MINOR FIXES, RIGHT? WE REPLACED THE AC ACS, DIFFERENT THINGS, RIGHT? BUT THE PROBLEM WAS THAT Y'ALL WERE SAYING, RIGHT, THE INSPECTORS WERE SAYING THAT WE NEED A BRAND NEW LIKE SPRINKLER SYSTEM THAT WOULD BE AT LEAST $500,000, RIGHT? AND THAT IS THE PROBLEM, RIGHT? UM, FOR US, RIGHT? WE CAN'T AFFORD THAT. OUR SMALL CONGREGATION LIKE OURS, THAT'S NOT JUST EXPENSIVE, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR US. IT WOULD SHUT OUR CHURCH DOWN COMPLETELY. AND IT KIND OF HAS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN HAVING CHURCH OUTSIDE. UH, SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY MAY HAVE A POLICY OR A PRACTICE OF INSPECTING BUILDINGS AND REQUIRING UPGRADES WHEN PROCESSING NEW, BUT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, POLICY AND LAW. THERE'S NO LIMIT IN THE ORDINANCE THAT SAYS IN AUTO THAT AN SEP AUTOMATICALLY TRIGGERS THOSE UPGRADES. THAT INTERPRETATION ISN'T ANYWHERE. IT'S JUST HOW IT'S BEEN, UH, ENFORCED IN RECENT YEARS. UM, HISTORICALLY IT'S [00:20:01] BEEN INCONSISTENT HOW STS HAVE BEEN ENFORCED. TANYA, YOU GIVE THOSE EXAMPLES. UM, THAT KIND OF UNWRITTEN POLICY CANNOT OVERRIDE OUR VESTED GRANDFATHER RIGHTS, RIGHT? THAT LATER, SEP LAW CANNOT TAKE AWAY OUR GRANDFATHER RIGHTS. THE CHURCH IS GRANDFATHERED, RIGHT? THE LATER LAW CANNOT TAKE THAT AWAY. AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE POINT THAT WE'RE MAKING. UH, IN FACT, IN THE CITY'S OWN HISTORY OF SUVS, IT SHOWS THAT ENFORCEMENT HAS BEEN INCONSISTENT. SO WHAT SHE'S GIVING Y'ALL IS EXAMPLES IN THE EARLY EIGHTIES, RIGHT? SUVS WERE BEING HANDED OUT AND THEY WERE TIME TO THE OWNERS BECAUSE THE POINT OF THIS PER CHURCH, RIGHT? SO Y'ALL HAVE EXAMPLES FROM 1984 WHERE THEY WERE TIED TO THE OWNERS, RIGHT? AND THEN, I DUNNO, NOT ALL, BUT THEN IN NOT LONG AFTER 1988 AND ONWARD, THEY WERE NOT TIED TO THE OWNER. THERE WAS NO LANGUAGE THAT IF THE OWNER NO LONGER OWNED THAT BUILDING, THAT, UM, THE SEP WAS TERMINATED, RIGHT? AND THEN WE GET TO, AND THERE'S EVEN AN EXAMPLE FROM 2010. SO FROM 19, LIKE 87 TO 2010 S WERE NOT TIED TO OWNERS AT ALL. THERE WAS NOTHING LIKE THAT THERE, RIGHT? AND THEN AROUND LIKE MAYBE 2020 ISH, UH, THEY STARTED TYING BACK TO THE OWNERS. BUT THE POINT IS, AGAIN, IT IS PER CHURCH, RIGHT? AS IT'S BEEN, RIGHT? I GET IT. IS THE, THE DISCRETION OF THE CITY COUNCIL. UM, BUT IT IS BEEN PER, BUT THE POINT IS, IT IS BEEN INCONSISTENT. UM, THE LAW ITSELF HASN'T CHANGED SINCE 1975. ONLY HOW IT'S BEEN ENFORCED. SO IN THE EARLY EIGHTIES, IT WAS TIED TO THE OWNERS LATER EIGHTIES AND ONWARD WAS NOT TIED TO THE OWNERS, RIGHT? AND THEN NOW IN CURRENT DAYS, IT STARTED TO BE TIED TO THE OWNER, RIGHT? WHEN, WHEN THE CHURCH FALLS FOR. SO THAT INCONSISTENCY SHOWS THAT THIS IS JUST A MATTER OF POLICY AND DISCRETION AND NOT LEGAL REQUIREMENT. SO EVEN IF WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YES, ALL ALL CHURCH TODAY NEED AN SP, IT STILL SHOULDN'T APPLY RETROACTIVELY TO US. AND THAT'S THE MAIN POINT, RIGHT? BECAUSE OUR CHURCH, RIGHT, OUR CHURCH BUILDING AND ITS USED, PREDATE THE LAW ENTIRELY. SO EVEN FOR THE ARGUMENT'S SAKE, WE DID BE ONE. THERE'S STILL NOTHING IN WRITING THAT SAYS IT WOULD REQUIRE RE READING THE BUILDING UP TO CURRENT CODE THAT'S NOT WRITTEN INTO THE LAW. THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT'S BEING ENFORCED. SO OUR REQUEST IS SIMPLE. WE'RE JUST ASKING THE CITY TO HONOR THE LAWS. IT'S WRITTEN, NOT POLICY, NOT INTERPRETATION, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY IN WRITING. IT DOES TAKE PERMANENT TO RECOGNIZE THAT OUR BUILDING IS GRANDFATHERED, UH, LAWFUL AND FORMING STRUCTURE THAT SERVED THIS COMMUNITY AS A CHURCH FOR 70 PLUS YEARS. WE JUST WANT THAT BEAUTIFUL BUILDING TO JUST STAY, YOU KNOW, IN USE. WE HAVEN'T CHANGED THE USE. IT'S STILL THE CHURCH. THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE'RE TRYING TO OPERATE STILL AS A CHURCH. WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE USE AT ALL. SO WE BELIEVE IN SAFETY. WE BELIEVE IN ORDER, RIGHT? WE'VE DONE OUR PART OF, AND WE BELIEVE IN DOING WHAT'S RIGHT, BUT ENFORCING SOMETHING THAT'S NOT WRITTEN, SOMETHING THAT'S BASED ON SHIFTING POLICY THAT'S NOT FAIR, RIGHT? THE PEOPLE OR IF THE PRINCIPAL OF THE CITY STANDS ON. SO WE LOVE THE CITY, WE LOVE THE PEOPLE HERE, RIGHT? WE'RE ACTIVELY, EVEN IN OUR SITUATION, WE'RE SERVING, RIGHT? UM, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO WE WERE RIGHT, WE'RE HANDING OUT, YOU KNOW, SNACKS FOR THE KIDS AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY THE BEST THAT WE CAN. UH, SO WE'RE JUST ASKING THAT Y'ALL PLEASE ALLOW US TO DO SO WITHOUT BEING FORCED TO MEET REQUIREMENTS THAT THE WRITTEN LAW ITSELF IS NOT DEMAND. RIGHT? THANK Y'ALL. THANK Y'S TIME FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. I'M SORRY, I'M CRYSTAL. ME AND I, UM, I ALSO SERVE UP JESUS THE ANSWER I ACTUALLY WANTED TO SAY. MY BROTHER BROUGHT UP THE CITY CODES AND I, I BELIEVE HE BROUGHT IT UP IN THEIR MEETING. IT'S THE TEXAS CODE. IT SAYS, UNDER TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE TWO 11.016 PROPERTIES WITH AN EXISTING LAWFUL USE AND PRIOR TO A ZONING OR CODE CHANGE MAY CONTINUE THAT USE WITHOUT BEING FORCED TO COMPLY RETROACTIVELY WITH NEW REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE OUR BUILDINGS USE HAS NOT CHANGED. AGAIN, WE BELIEVE IT REMAINS EXEMPT FROM THE NEW SEP AND INTERIOR REQUIREMENTS. AND THEN, UM, WE DID SOME MORE RESEARCH. AND IN ADDITION TO OUR PROTECTIONS DURING THE TEXAS LAW, UM, FEDERAL LAW UNDER RELIGIOUS LAND USE AND INSTITUTIONALIZED PERSONS ACT PROVIDES THAT RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS CANNOT BE TREATED LESS FAVORABLY THAN NON-RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLIES. AND THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS MAY NOT IMPOSE SUBSTANTIAL BURDENS ON RELIGIOUS EXERCISE UNLESS THEY SERVE A COMPELLING GOVERNMENT INTEREST IN THE LEAST RESTRICTIVE WAY POSSIBLE. BECAUSE THEIR CHURCH HAS CONTINUOUSLY OPERATED AS A PLACE OF WORSHIP. AND BECAUSE OTHER SIMILAR CHURCHES WITHIN THE CITY OF ARE, HAVE ALSO BEEN TREATED INCO CONSISTENTLY UNDER SEP REQUIREMENTS, WE BELIEVE THE CITY'S ACTIONS MAY RAISE CONCERNS UNDER R-L-U-I-P-A REGARDING EQUAL TREATMENT AND UNDUE BURDEN. AND, UM, REAL QUICK BEFORE I LEAVE, UM, WE JUST WANT TO LEAVE Y'ALL COPIES. THIS IS WHAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM OUR CHURCH. THIS IS THE INSPECTION. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S NO CITY OF FLU HEADER. THERE'S NO PERMIT CODES. UM, A LOT OF IT ISN'T EVEN LEGIBLE. UM, NO REFERENCE TO CITY CODES. UM, [00:25:01] ALL THE WORK THAT'S ON HERE HAS BEEN DONE, BUT I FIND IT EXTREMELY UNPROFESSIONAL HOW AN INSPECTOR WOULD GO TO OUR CHURCH WHEN THE PASTORS WEREN'T THERE AND GO WHEN THE CONTRACTOR THERE AND GIVE THEM A TOUR TO CHURCH AND TELL 'EM EVERYTHING THAT'S WRONG WITH IT. THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE, THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, BUT YOU'RE NOT PAYING FOR IT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY SO MANY VISITS WERE MADE TO THE CHURCH AND COMMENTS WERE MADE ABOUT FIXING THINGS WHEN WE WERE THE ONES PAYING FOR IT. A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THEIR CHURCH WERE HANDLING DIFFERENT TASKS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S NORMAL. DO PEOPLE NORMALLY SHOW UP TO THESE THINGS AND WALK OUR CONTRACTS AROUND AND SHOW EVERYTHING THAT'S WRONG WITH THE BUILDING IF THEY'RE NOT PAYING FOR IT? UM, AGAIN, I JUST WANTED Y'ALL TO SEE THIS. YOU CAN JUST LEAVE THAT ONE LITTLE PIECE. UM, AND TO CLOSE. UM, OUR CHURCH HAS BEEN A LONGSTANDING, SAFE AND ACTIVE PART OF THE COMMUNITY. WE ARE COMMITTED TO SAFETY AND COMPLIANCE AND ASK FOR A FEAR OF TREATMENT CONSISTENT WITH PRIOR APPROVALS. TEXAS LAW AND FEDERAL PROTECTIONS UNDER R-L-U-I-P-A, WE BELIEVE THAT THROUGH FAITH, FAIRNESS AND COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP, THE SITUATION CAN BE RESOLVED IN A WAY THAT HONORS BOTH FIVE AND THE LAW. OUR GOAL IS TO CONTINUE BEING A LIGHT, AND IT WASN'T TO THE THANK YOU. OH, ACTUALLY, THANK YOU THERE. ANY OTHER COMMENT? ARE THERE ANY OTHER, WAS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WE HAVE THREE SHEETS WE ADDRESSING. WE WANTED TO SEE IF WE CAN GET FEEDBACK FROM Y'ALL TO SEE WHERE Y'ALL STAND AS OUR CITY COUNCIL AND THAT THE COMMUNITY FROM Y'ALL'S PERSPECTIVE, UH, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO SHARE TOO MUCH. THERE'S THINGS THAT WE DO HAVE THAT WE KNOW THE TIME OF PLACE. WE DO HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME THINGS THAT WERE SAID ABOUT US AND WE TAKE IT AS A DISCRIMINATION. BUT, UM, WE WANTED TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN AGREE ON, UM, FROM OUR CITY COUNCIL, US IN THE COMMUNITY, UH, WHAT WE CAN DO TO SEE ABOUT, UH, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP FROM, FROM HERE, UM, FROM OUR CITY COUNCIL. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WELL, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S PRESENTATION, RIGHT? AND THE, THE FACT THAT YOU WENT THROUGH THE, YOU KNOW, UH, THE CITY ORDINANCES AND SO FORTH, RIGHT? UM, AND, AND I CAN SAY THAT GOING THROUGH THE LAWS AND THE ORDINANCES, UH, CAN BE CONFUSING. AND IT, AND IT, AND IT, Y'ALL'S REVIEW, I THINK IS, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT COMPLETELY, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GO THROUGH AND YOU'RE NOT ATTORNEY, IT'S EASY TO KIND OF PUT THINGS TOGETHER AND THINK, HEY, THIS MAKES COMPLETE SENSE. BUT IT COULD STILL BE SOMEWHAT INCORRECT. YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAD A GOOD MEETING WITH Y'ALL AND WHEN Y'ALLS ATTORNEY, UM, I DON'T THINK HE'S Y'S ATTORNEY CURRENTLY, RIGHT? BUT, UM, WHEN WE SAT DOWN AND WENT, WE WENT THROUGH THESE SAME THINGS WITH THE ATTORNEY AND SAT DOWN, AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS A PRETTY, UM, PRODUCTIVE AND FRIENDLY MEETING. UM, I THINK EVERYBODY HAD RESPECT FOR EACH OTHER AT THE MEETING. I, I HAD RESPECT FOR YOU GUYS AND, AND YOUR ATTORNEY. UM, AND WE DISCUSSED THE PROCESS THAT NEEDED TO TAKE PLACE, RIGHT? AND I THOUGHT WHEN WE LEFT THAT MEETING, WE ALL KIND OF HAD AN AGREEMENT OF LIKE, OKAY, HERE'S OUR PATHWAY FORWARD. UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, OUR INSPECTORS WERE THERE, OUR CITY MANAGER, I WAS THERE AS THE CITY ATTORNEY, Y'S ATTORNEY WAS THERE. AND I WAS REALLY OPTIMISTIC AFTER THAT MEETING THAT WE HAD A PRETTY GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF HOW WE WOULD WORK TOGETHER AND, UH, AND, AND GO FORWARD, UH, WITH THE NEXT STEPS. SO I, I THOUGHT WE WERE PRETTY CLEAR AT THAT MEETING ABOUT WHAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN AND WHAT WERE THE STEPS. UM, AND, AND I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO GET INTO A, YOU KNOW, A PUBLIC DEBATE WITH YOU ABOUT THE LAW BECAUSE YOU, YOU HAD YOUR ATTORNEY WITH YOU AT THAT LAST MEETING, AND WE KIND OF DISCUSSED THOSE THINGS. BUT I DID WANT TO POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS, RIGHT? UM, IF, IF YOU LOOK AT SECTION 4.4 OF THE NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURES THAT YOU PRESENTED, AND YOU READ THE PARAGRAPH THAT YOU, THAT YOU PRESENTED THAT PARAGRAPH WITH REGARD TO NONCONFORMING STRUCTURES ONLY APPLIES TO LOT SIZE AND LOT RESTRICTIONS. SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU BUILD A, WHEN YOU BUILD A BUILDING ON A LOT, UM, THERE'S CERTAIN, UH, RESTRICTION ABOUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN SETBACKS YOU CAN'T BUILD RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE. UM, THERE'S RESTRICTIONS ON, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T COVER MORE THAN A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE LOT WITH THE BUILDING. UM, AND THE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN AREAS OF THE TOWN, YOU CAN'T, CAN'T BUILD A SKYSCRAPER, FOR EXAMPLE. I MEAN, THERE, THERE ARE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS, RESTRICTIONS ON THE SETBACKS OF WHERE YOU BUILD YOUR BUILDING AND HOW BIG THE BUILDING IS ON THE LOT. AND SO THAT'S THE PORTION OF THE NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURES THAT Y'ALL, THAT Y'ALL CITED TODAY. UH, AND THAT'S NOT REALLY AN ISSUE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH REGARD TO, YOU KNOW, THE CHURCH BUILDING. [00:30:01] UM, THE OTHER PORTION THAT YOU, YOU POINT OUT WITH, WITH REGARD TO, UH, SUVS SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. NOW, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT ALLOWS THAT IF A PROP, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ZONING IN THE, IN THE CITY. MOST CITIES HAVE ZONING AND THEY SAY, OKAY, CERTAIN PARTS OF TOWN ARE ZONED FOR RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT? SINGLE FAMILY, CERTAIN PARTS OF ZONED FOR MULTIFAMILY, UH, APARTMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. CERTAIN, UH, ZONES ARE FOR, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD, COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPE OF BUSINESSES THAT FIT WELL, BEING CLOSE TO A NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT? UH, CERTAIN PARTS OF OUR TOWN ARE INDUSTRIAL, SO THOSE INDUSTRIAL BUSINESSES, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT 'EM NEAR THE RESIDENTIAL. SO WE HAVE A, THE CITY HAS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING GOES THROUGH AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS. WE HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS. UH, IT OCCURS THROUGH THE PUBLIC, UM, WITH PUBLIC INPUT. AND IT'S A LONG PROCESS. AND THE, THE CITY HAS GONE THROUGH THAT LONG PROCESS AND, UH, DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, ZONING FOR DIFFERENT AREAS OF TOWN AND DIFFERENT USES IN DIFFERENT AREAS. UM, UNDER THE CITY OF KLU, UH, ZONING ORDINANCE THAT COVERS THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING FOR THE WHOLE CITY, UM, THERE'S A REQUIREMENT THAT EACH CHURCH WOULD REQUIRE TO, IS REQUIRED TO GET A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, UH, TO, UH, TO CONDUCT CHURCH IN, IN A, IN, IN, IN ANY DIFFERENT, IN ANY ZONE, RIGHT? SO ALL CHURCHES ARE REQUIRED TO COME AND GET A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. AND THAT'S BEEN THE LAW FOR QUITE SOME TIME. UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU HAD A CONCERN ABOUT, UM, UH, DISCRIMINATION AND, AND THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT TO BE PRESENTED, I GUESS TO CITY MANAGER OR SOMETHING. BUT I DO WANNA MAKE SURE AND POINT OUT THAT EVERY CHURCH IN THE CITY, UH, THAT I'M AWARE OF HAS SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. AND THAT'S LIKE, UH, CHURCHES OF ALL, ALL DENOMINATIONS, UM, ALL, YOU KNOW, RACES WE HAVE, WE HAVE MUSLIM CHURCHES IN TOWN, WE HAVE BAPTIST, WE HAVE CATHOLIC, WE HAVE ALL TYPES OF CHURCHES. AND EVERYONE, UH, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, UM, FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS OR SO, HAVE COME TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND APPLIED FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. AND, UH, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN RECALL ANY CHURCH THAT'S BEEN DENIED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. UM, AND SO THERE IS NO, UM, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, THERE'S BEEN NO DISCRIMINATORY DISCRIMINATORY PROCESS AT ALL IN, UH, THE, THE CONSIDERATION BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF GRANTING OR DENYING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. NOW, THE, THE PORTION THAT YOU, UM, THE, THE PAPER THAT YOU PRESENTED WITH REGARD TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, IT, IT'S IMPORTANT TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE SPEC, THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT STATUTE, ORDINANCE PERMITS, UM, A PERMANENT ESTABLISHMENT. IT'S NOT AN AUTOMATIC. SO THE, THE CITY HAS THE, UH, THE, UM, DISCRETION TO GRANT A PERMANENT OR A NOT PERMANENT, UH, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. SO THEY CAN SAY, HEY, WE'RE GONNA MAKE THIS USE ALLOWED FOR NOW AND FOREVER. OR THEY CAN MAKE IT, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED. IT SAYS MAY OKAY, PERMITS, RIGHT? OR THEY CAN DO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT THAT'S LIMITED IN TIME TO THE, TO THE OWNERSHIP OR THE USE OR, OR OTHER LIMITATIONS. THEY CAN PUT LIMITATIONS ON SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. YOU CAN, YOU CAN HAVE A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, SO LONG AS YOU DON'T DO CERTAIN THINGS, RIGHT? I THINK SEVERAL YEARS AGO WE DID AN SUP FOR A STORAGE BUSINESS AND IT, IT WAS A CONDITION ON, WELL, YOU CAN DO, YOU KNOW, STORAGE IN YOUR UNITS, BUT NOT STORAGE OF BOATS AND RVS OR THINGS LIKE THAT, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A HISTORY WHERE WE'VE DONE SPECIFIC USE PERMITS WITH, UM, QUALIFICATIONS, RIGHT? UM, ONCE AGAIN, NOT RELATED TO CHURCHES, NOT RELATED TO SPECIFIC BELIEFS OR, UM, UH, RACE OR NATIONALITY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT? JUST A, A CASE BY CASE BASIS BASED ON THE LOCATION. SO IF, YOU KNOW, WE'VE RESEARCHED THIS, THIS, THIS, UM, UH, THE CHURCH AND THIS BUILDING, UH, AND WE'VE LOOKED AT IT WE'RE, WE HAVE NOT JUST DONE THIS IN A CASUAL MANNER, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION WITH Y'ALL, UM, UH, OVER THE COURSE OF SEVERAL MONTHS AND WE'VE HAD, UH, DISCUSSIONS AND MEETINGS AND SO FORTH. UM, SO YOUR, YOUR POSITION, LIKE, WELL, THE SUP IS PERMANENT, SO WE'RE GRANDFATHERED, WELL, THIS CHURCH WOULD NEVER RECEIVED A SUP, RIGHT? AND THEY NEVER RECEIVED A, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE OTHER CHURCHES IN TOWN THAT HAVE SUVS THAT'RE NOT PERMANENT. SO WHEN THEY CHANGE, THERE'S NO GRANDFATHERING, RIGHT? SO IF THERE HAD BEEN AN SUP GRANTED TO THIS CHURCH, AND IF IT WAS A PERMANENT SUP, THEN YOUR ARGUMENT IS LIKE, HEY, WE'RE GRANDFATHERED WOULD APPLY, RIGHT? BUT, UM, BECAUSE THIS CHURCH WAS ESTABLISHED OPERATING BEFORE THERE WAS EVEN SUP ORDINANCES, RIGHT? UM, SO THAT THERE IS NO EXISTING SUP, SO YOU'RE NOT GRANDFATHERED UNDER AN EXISTING SUP, RIGHT? [00:35:01] SO AS WE DISCUSSED WHEN WE MET WITH Y'ALL, UM, AND YOUR ATTORNEY AND I, I REALLY WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THAT WAS ACTUALLY PRETTY FRIENDLY AND PRODUCTIVE MEETING. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST WHENEVER I LEFT THE MEETING, UH, I THOUGHT, HEY, WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT A GOOD UNDERSTANDING, UH, WITH EVERYBODY ABOUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO, RIGHT? AND, AND AFTER THAT MEETING, UM, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT Y'ALL WOULD FILE A SUP APPLICATION AND THAT, UH, THE, UM, UH, PROVIDE, UM, YOUR, UH, PRIOR INSPECTIONS AND THEN IF YOU, YOU HAD BLUEPRINTS, Y'ALL THOUGHT Y'ALL MAY HAVE SOME BLUEPRINTS THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR OUR INSPECTORS. BECAUSE THE WHOLE QUESTION OF WHETHER Y'ALL HAVE TO DO FIRE SUPPRESSION SPRINKLERS IN THE PRIMARY CHURCH BUILDING, WHERE THE, UH, WHERE Y'ALL WOULD HAVE ACTUAL THE SANCTUARY YEAH, THE SANCTUARY, RIGHT? THE QUESTION OF THAT IS STILL UNDETERMINED, RIGHT? WE HAVE TO HAVE OUR FIRE MARSHAL, YOU KNOW, GET, GET THE PLANS, UH, DO A REVIEW AND DO THE INSPECTION WITH THAT IN, IN INTENTION. IT MAY BE REQUIRED, IT MAY NOT BE REQUIRED, RIGHT? SO, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING AFTER THAT MEETING IS WE WERE GONNA GET SOME Y'ALL'S ENGINEERS REPORT AND, AND Y'ALL'S BLUEPRINTS IF YOU HAVE 'EM. AND THEN WE WERE GONNA CONDUCT, UH, INSPECTIONS AND, UH, PREPARE A WRITTEN REPORT, YOU KNOW, WITH OFFICIAL REPORT. UH, NOT A COURTESY, NOT A COURTESY INSPECTION. 'CAUSE I, IT'S, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT Y'ALL, OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL KIND OF KNEW Y'ALL AND, AND KIND OF WAS, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO BE HELPFUL TO Y'ALL AS FAR AS, UM, HEY, WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE DONE, RIGHT? UM, SO ANYWAY, UH, SO THAT WAS THE PATH FORWARD. Y'ALL WOULD APPLY FOR AN SUP, WE WOULD CONDUCT THE INSPECTION TO THOROUGH INSPECTIONS, AND THEN WE WOULD FIGURE OUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. IT'S STILL NOT DETERMINED IF THE, IF IT HAS TO BE SPRINKLED OR NOT, RIGHT? BUT AS THE MAYOR POINTED OUT, UH, SUP IS JUST ZONING, RIGHT? IT'S CAN YOU OPERATE THAT TYPE OF, OF BUSINESS IN A ZONE THAT IT'S NOT AUTHORIZED. BUT SUP DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE, UM, WITH THE, UM, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT AND SAFETY ISSUES LIKE SPRINKLING. AND SO TYPICALLY WHEN SOMEBODY COMES AND RE AND REQUESTS SUP, THAT'S, THE COUNCIL CAN CONSIDER ALL FACTORS, RIGHT? AND ONE OF THE FACTORS WHEN THEY'RE SAYING, HEY, DO WE MAKE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION AND ALLOW YOU TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS NOT ZONED? UH, ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS THEY LOOK AT IS LIKE, WELL, IS THIS GONNA BE SAFE FOR YOU TO DO THAT ACTIVITY IN THIS ZONE? RIGHT? AND SO SAFETY AND, AND, UM, COMPLIANCE WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THOSE, 'CAUSE THESE ARE ULTIMATELY SAFETY ISSUES AND NOBODY WANTS YOU TO OPERATE AND SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON THESE ORDINANCES ARE IN PLACE IS TO PREVENT, YOU KNOW, FIRES AND PREVENT PEOPLE FROM BEING DAMAGED FROM ELECTRICAL PROBLEMS OR WHATEVER, RIGHT? AND SO, UM, I THINK IT'S JUST REASONABLE FOR THE COUNCIL IF THEY'RE GONNA CREATE A, CREATE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION IN AN SUP FOR AN APPLICANT TO CONSIDER. WELL, IF Y'ALL OPERATING IN A WAY THAT'S NOT ALLOWED IN THAT ZONING, ARE YOU GONNA BE ABLE TO OPERATE IN A SAFE MANNER? RIGHT? SO, UM, LIKE I SAID, I MEAN, I DON'T, WE DON'T NEED TO NECESSARILY GET INTO A LEGAL DEBATE IN, IN THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, RIGHT? UH, IT'S MUCH BETTER. UM, I THOUGHT IT WAS PRODUCTIVE WHEN Y WHEN Y'ALL HAD AN ATTORNEY. 'CAUSE THEN, YOU KNOW, THE ATTORNEYS COULD TALK KIND OF ATTORNEY, ATTORNEY ON THE, ON THE LEGAL BASIS BECAUSE IT'S, THESE THINGS ARE DIFFICULT FOR, YOU KNOW, UH, EVEN SOME ATTORNEYS, IT'S DIFFICULT TO GO THROUGH AND MAKE SENSE OF, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF CONSIDERATIONS WITH ZONING AND CODE ENFORCEMENT AND SUVS. UH, IT'S NOT A, IT'S A COMPLICATED, UH, NUMBER OF FACTORS, RIGHT? AND SO, UM, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, UH, FROM, YOU KNOW, MY, OUR DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAD IN THAT MEETING AND DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL AND THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AND THE FIRE MARSHAL, THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, WE REALLY DO, WE REALLY FEEL THAT WE'VE BEEN FAIR WITH Y'ALL AND WE REALLY DO WANNA WORK WITH YOU, BUT, UH, WE JUST HAVE TO BE ABLE TO, LIKE I SAID, WE THOUGHT WE HAD A PLAN PREVIOUSLY. AND IF THAT PLAN IS NOT, DOESN'T WORK FOR YOU, THEN WE CAN HAVE MORE DISCUSSION, RIGHT? UH, BUT IT'D BE EASIER IF WE'RE GONNA GET IN THE LAW THAT WE'RE TALKING WITH THE, WITH ANOTHER ATTORNEY THAT, THAT, UM, IS VERY CLEAR ON THAT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF MY SUMMARY OF HOW I SEE IT, RIGHT? YES, SIR. SO ON THE NONCONFORMING STRUCTURES, UM, YOU MENTIONED THE AREA LOT COVERAGE, LIKE THAT'S WHAT IT COVERS, BUT IT DOES SAY, RIGHT. OR ANY OTHER, OTHER REQUIREMENTS CONCERNING THE STRUCTURE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TOLD. WE WERE TOLD THAT WE HAD TO PUT A FIREWALL AND ALL THIS STUFF. AND THE POINT WAS WHY DO WE HAVE TO LIKE, AFFECT THE STRUCTURE, CHANGE THE STRUCTURE OF THE CHURCH TO BRING IT UP TO THE CURRENT CODE IF WE'RE GRANDFATHER? LIKE THAT'S WHY WE BROUGHT THIS UP AND WE'RE TOLD ABOUT HORROR WHILE WE'RE ALL THAT STUFF. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING. LIKE, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING BECAUSE OF SECTION 4.4 AS FAR AS THE SUVS, [00:40:01] WE WERE REJECTED. WE DID AFTER THE BEGINNING, WE WERE BEING COMPLIANT. EVERYTHING. AND Y'ALL SAID THE U BACK, WE HAD TO AVOIDED, LIKE THE CHECK GOT IN YOU, YOU REQUESTED THE WITHDRAWAL DURING THE COURSE OF OUR MEETING? NO, IT WAS, HE PICKED IT UP THAT DAY. IT WAS ALREADY, WE ALREADY HAD IT. I WAS TOLD TO PICK IT UP. YEAH. IT HAD ALREADY BEEN REJECTED. WELL, AND I WAS TOLD I HAD TO COME TO NO MEETINGS AT THE BEGINNING. SO I WAS THINKING, WELL, GOD, THIS AND THAT CHURCH DIDN'T EXPECT MEETINGS AND SO FORTH. I APPLIED FROM THE MEETING ON JULY. I'M SORRY, MA'AM, IF YOU, THE PEOPLE SPEAKING, WE NEED TO HAVE IT ON A MICROPHONE. IF YOU COULD COME TO A MICROPHONE BECAUSE EVERYTHING'S, EVERYTHING'S RECORDED FOR THE PUBLIC, RIGHT? SO WE CAN HEAR YOU IN THE ROOM, BUT THE PEOPLE MAY BE ONLINE AND, AND THE RECORD, THE RECORDING, IT WON'T ACKNOW YOU. WELL, YOU CAN FINISH. UM, WELL, SHE SAID THAT RIGHT, THAT YOU FILED OUT ON JULY 3RD AND YOU GOT REJECTED AND SENT BACK TO HER OFFICE, AND THEN THAT'S WHAT SHE BROUGHT TO THE, THAT DAY. SHE DIDN'T, OR SHE PICKED IT UP THAT DAY, BUT IT HAD ALREADY BEEN REJECTED. UM, AND I'M SORRY, IT HASN'T BEEN, IT HASN'T CAME TO COUNCIL, SO IT COULD HAVE BEEN REJECTED. RIGHT, STEPH? THAT'S WHAT WE SURE WANNA KNOW. WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY, UH, WE'RE HAVING TO REDO . SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE MET WITH YOU AND YOUR ATTORNEY, YOU WERE GONNA REFILE YOUR PERMIT APPLICATION AND PROVIDE US WITH PLANS SO THAT WE COULD CONDUCT A STRUCTURAL REVIEW AND THEN CONDUCT THE INSPECTIONS. YEAH, BECAUSE IT WAS, IT WAS, IT HAD ALREADY BEEN REJECTED. NO, IT HADN'T BEEN REJECTED. SHE HAD PICKED IT UP, BUT WE ASKED YOU TO RESUBMIT IT AND RESUBMIT IT WITH PLANS SO THAT WE COULD CARRY OUT THE PROCESS. WELL, WE CAN, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I I THINK IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT PRODUCTIVE FOR US, YOU KNOW, UM, REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE FIRST SUP, IF IT, IF Y'ALL VOLUNTARILY WITHDREW IT OR IF IT OR SOMEBODY IN THE WINDOW TOLD YOU SOMETHING DIFFERENT, REGARDLESS, WHEN WE HAD THE MEETING, YOU KNOW, THE PLAN WAS THAT Y'ALL WERE GOING TO REFILE THE SUP BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S REQUIRED TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE PROCESS, RIGHT? SO IF Y'ALL WANT TO FILE THE SUP AGAIN, UM, WE CAN GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND, AND HOPEFULLY WORK TOGETHER AND GET IT, GET THIS ACCOMPLISHED SO Y'ALL CAN MOVE IN. YEAH. WE HAD, WE HAD NO PROBLEM FILING THE SP WE'RE LIKE, OKAY, YEAH, WE'LL, EVERYTHING, THE PROBLEM IS IF WE WERE TOLD THAT IF WE FILED THE SP, IT TRIGGERS ALL THESE MANDATORY INSPECTIONS THAT'S GONNA TRIGGER LIKE OUR CHURCH HAVING TO BE BROUGHT UP TO MODERN CODE AND SPRINKLERS AND THEN VIRAL. THAT'S THE ONLY PROBLEM WE HAVE. THE SP OTHER THAN THAT, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH SP. THEY'RE SAYING THAT'S GONNA TRIGGER INSPECTION. LET ME EXPLAIN SOMETHING. THE STATE OF TEXAS MANDATES WHAT BUILDING CODES WE HAVE TO OPERATE UNDER. WE DON'T MANDATE 'EM, THE STATE OF TEXAS MANDATES 'EM, THEY TELL US WHAT OUR MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS ARE. I'M, AND THAT'S WHAT THE STATE OF TEXAS TELLS US WHAT OUR MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR BUILDING CODES. AND THEN, OKAY, AND THEN EXACTLY THE 1950S WHEN THE CHURCH WAS BUILT, IT WAS UP TO CURRENT CODE. THAT'S WHAT THAT, BUT IT'S NOT UP TO CURRENT CODES NOW, WHICH IS WHAT THE STATE OF TEXAS IS MANDATING AT THIS PRESENT TIME. BUT THE SECTION 4.4 GIVES THAT PROTECTION. NO, HE GRANTS THAT PROTECTION. NO, BEFORE THAT TEXAS LAW TOO. THAT'S WHAT SHE DECIDED. IT DOES. IT, THEY, THEY CHANGE THE BUILDING CODES EVERY YEAR IN AUSTIN. AND THEN THAT WOULD MEAN THAT IT, LIKE THE SCORE, ANY LIKE MODERN NEW CODE IS, IS GONNA MAKE EVERYBODY OUT OF CODE AND UNLAWFUL AND HAVING TO BE BROUGHT UP. IT'S JUST, WELL, AND I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, YOU, WE, UH, PUT YOU ON THE AGENDA TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNCIL KNOWS Y'ALL'S POSITION, RIGHT. UH, KNOWS, UH, HOW Y'ALL FEEL ABOUT THINGS, YOUR POSITION ON WHAT YOU, ON THE GRANDFATHERING AND THOSE THINGS, RIGHT? AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AND THAT YOU'VE, YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS YOU'VE TOLD US, NOW YOU'VE TOLD IT TO THE WHOLE COUNCIL, RIGHT? AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL'S ELECTED OFFICIALS, THEY WILL CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, UH, WHAT YOU'VE HAD TO SAY, RIGHT? UH, THERE'S NO ACTION ON THE, ON THE AGENDA. SO THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A, UH, THERE'S NO WAY TO LIKE HAVE A VOTE OR HAVE A PUBLIC NEGOTIATION ON THIS, RIGHT? BUT, UH, I THINK WE KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY STAFF, WE KNOW WHAT Y'ALL'S POSITION IS, AND NOW THE CITY COUNCIL KNOWS, YOU KNOW, WHAT Y'ALL'S POSITION IS ON WHAT YOU, ON WHAT YOU THINK THE LAW IS AND SO FORTH. AND, UM, BUT IT, IT IS WRITTEN RIGHT THERE. AND SO, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, WELL OBVIOUSLY CONSIDER THAT. AND IF, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING, TAKE SOME ACTION, THEY, THEY KNOW Y'ALL SITUATION AT THIS POINT, RIGHT? SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA, LIKE I SAID, UNDER THE AGENDA, THERE'S NO METHOD FOR US TO HAVE LIKE A PUBLIC NEGOTIATION. LIKE, OKAY, LET'S HAVE HORSE TRADING NOW. I MEAN, THAT'S, IT DOESN'T DO THAT. THE CITY COUNCIL IS, THEY'RE THE BOSS RIGHT? OF ME. THEY'RE THE BOSS OF THE CITY MANAGER. THEY'RE THE BOSS OF, UH, CITY STAFF, RIGHT? AND SO THEY'VE HEARD WHAT Y'ALL HAVE TO SAY, RIGHT? AND IF, AND IF, IF THEY FEEL THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN DONE IMPROPERLY OR THAT YOU'RE NOT BEING TREATED FAIRLY, UH, I GUARANTEE YOU THEY WILL LET CITY STAFF AND CITY ATTORNEY AND CITY MANAGER KNOW. RIGHT? [00:45:01] BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING UP HERE BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO COUNCIL DIRECTLY TO COUNCIL 'CAUSE THEY'RE THE BOSS, RIGHT? THEY'RE ELECTED. RIGHT. I JUST WANTED TO MENTION IT'S, IT'S RIGHT THERE IN THE LAW. AND THEN IT IS TOO. WE COULD HAVE ARGUED THAT TEMPLE BAPTIST, LIKE IF EVERY BUILDING HAS TO BE BROUGHT UP TO CODE WHEN NEW CODES COME OUT, TEMPLE BAPTIST COURT DIDN'T HAVE TO, AND I'M NOT LIKE, WE'RE NOT PULLING FINGERS, BUT WE'RE JUST SAYING THAT LIKE, LIKE THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO FOR A REASON. IT'S BECAUSE THAT RIGHT THERE, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S THE POINT. EXECUTED SHOULDN'T EVEN APPLY TO US BECAUSE IT CAN'T BE RETROACTIVE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, ENFORCED, RIGHT? THE CHURCH IS BUILT BEFORE REQUIRED. CHURCHES ARE NOT LISTED AS A PERMISSIBLE UH, OPERATION IN THE CITY OF CLU WITHOUT A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT THAT'S IN THE CODE. SO THE CHURCH CAME BEFORE THAT. THAT'S THE POINT. THAT'S WHY BEFORE THAT DOESN'T MATTER. THIS IS NOT TEMPLE BAPTIST, THIS IS YOUR CHURCH. THERE'S NOTHING AND, AND THE LAW THAT SAYS THAT A CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP OR A CHANGE OF THE NAME DOES THAT, THAT TAKES AWAY THE GRANDFATHER, RIGHT? THAT REMOVED THAT. THERE'S NOTHING THERE. THAT'S JUST THE CITY POLICY, BECAUSE THAT FEELS ARBITRARY. THAT JUST FEELS LIKE Y'ALL CAN ENFORCE THE LAW HOWEVER YOU WANT. I KNOW Y'ALL LIKE THE CITY DOES HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY DO HAVE THE DISCRETION AND YOU KNOW, THE RIGHT TO INTERPRET THE LAW. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT JUST FEELS LIKE IT'S ARBITRARY AND THAT AT ANY POINT THAT Y'ALL, YOU KNOW, FORCE A BUILDING TO BE BROUGHT UP TO CURRENT CODE AND THAT FEELS UNFAIR. CAN I, I'M NOT LEGAL BY ANY SORT OF THE MEANS, I'M JUST GETTING THE INFORMATION YOU'VE GOT AND AS DESCRIBED. UM, I CAN'T GET IN AN ARGUMENT WHETHER IT'S LEGAL OR WHETHER IT'S NOT. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE'S A SIDE OF IT THAT SAYS IT IS, BUT FROM YOU, ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU'RE HERE NOT WANTING TO HAVE TO GET AN SUP? WELL, WE, IT'S YES OR NO. WELL, RIGHT NOW, IF IT TRIGGERS INSPECTIONS AND HAVE AN AGREEABILITY, YES OR NO, IF THAT, THAT'S WHAT I ASK YOU IF THAT'S THE CASE, DO YOU NOT WANT TO GET AN SUP IF WE HAD YES OR NO? THAT'S THE POINT. SO NO, YOU DON'T WANNA GET AN SUP. YES. THE, SO WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING AS COUNSEL UNTIL YOU BRING US AN SUP TO BARTER BARGAIN DISCUSS CHANGE. YEAH. THE ONLY PEOPLE, THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT CAN APPROVE AN SUP IS CITY COUNCIL AND WE DON'T HAVE ONE THAT MAY BE FOR A MISCOMMUNICATION OF WHY WE DON'T HAVE ONE YET, BUT FROM STARTING TOMORROW, REFILE IT AND THEN WE, I'M ASSUMING THEN WE HAVE SOME KIND OF INPUT. RIGHT NOW I'M TALKING OUTTA LINE TRYING TO CUT THROUGH THE CHASE. AND SO AS OF NOW, FOR ME, YOU'VE MADE YOUR POINT. I GET IT. YOU'VE HANDED ME MORE PAPERWORK THAN I CAN READ IN THE 10 MINUTES WHILE YOU WERE TALKING, HIGHLIGHTING, AND UH, WELL THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH HIGHLIGHTING. YOU ONLY GET A PIECE OF IT. I DID LEARN THAT WHEN I FIRST GOT ON HERE, BUT WHEN I'M NOT. BUT, BUT, BUT THE POINT BEING MADE, I THINK AT THIS POINT WE UNDERSTAND HOW YOU FEEL. I, LET ME BACK UP. I UNDERSTAND HOW YOU FEEL AND I DON'T BELIEVE IN MY POSITION HERE AT THIS POINT THAT UNTIL YOU FILE THIS SUP, THERE'S NOTHING THAT ME PERSONALLY, AS COUNCILPERSON CAN DO THAT NEEDS TO BE THE NEXT MOVE. YOU SAID YOU CAME HERE WANTING TO KNOW WHAT TO DO. UH, IF WE NEED TO ADDRESS OUR HANDWRITTEN SITUATION, YOU BROUGHT IT TO OUR OPINION, WE WILL. BUT I STAND ON THE SITUATION OF, UNTIL YOU BRING THAT SUP, BASICALLY I'M BEING TOLD THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT I CAN DO. I, I WAS, I WAS TOLD THAT I DO IT. I NEVER DID. OKAY. I, I APPLIED ON JULY. OKAY? THAT'S A MOOD POINT. THAT'S A MOOD POINT. THAT DOESN'T MATTER AT THIS POINT TO MOVE FORWARD. AND IF YOU HAVE IT, YOU CAN FILE IT IN THE MORNING AND THEN WE CAN PROCEED. I, I KNOW. SO KEEP TO CONTINUE ARGUING AND BOUNCING HAS ZERO ACCOMPLISHMENT OTHER THAN PEOPLE GETTING THEIR FEELING HURT. WE DIDN'T COME TO ARGUE, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. SECONDLY, UM, ATTORNEY CHRIS DUNCAN DID SAY THAT HE FELT LIKE WE LEFT WITH GOOD SO AND SO. YES, OKAY. I THOUGHT, OKAY, BUT WE'RE LIKE HAVING TO START ALL OVER. AFTER BRINGING MY SUP APPLICATION AND MY FEE AND THE EXPLANATION OF OUR CHURCH, I ASKED, OKAY, I SEE THERE'S MEETINGS. WHEN ARE THE MEETINGS? OH NO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ATTEND MEETINGS. I'M LIKE, OH, WE'RE PRAISE BE TO GOD. WE WENT AND HAVE CHURCH BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE DO. WE JUST WANTED TO WORSHIP THE LORD. SO WE WERE EXCITED UNTIL WE WERE TOLD, OH, WE HAVE TO SHUT IT DOWN. LIKE, OH, OKAY, WELL COME BACK. I CAME AND GOT THE APP, FILLED IT OUT. EVERYTHING. I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT WAS REJECTED. I WAS CALLED. IT HADN'T BEEN REJECTED 'CAUSE IT HADN'T COME TO COUNCIL. NO, IT CAN'T, IT CAN'T BE REJECTED. IT HAS TO BE, IT HAS TO BE REJECTED BY US. TOLD ME WE'RE GONNA SIT HERE TO CHECK BACK. THEY DID REJECT IT AND I WAS TOLD IT WAS NOT ACCEPTED. IT WAS REJECTED. AND SO THAT'S WHY I LIKE, OKAY, WHY ARE WE GONNA DO THIS AGAIN? AND THEN TO HAVE THE CITY OFFICIALS GO BACK IN TO DO WHAT THEY ALREADY HAVE DONE SEVERAL TIMES. AND THEN [00:50:01] I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT IT, BECAUSE I HAVE MR. JERRY ALREADY RECORDED ON OUR VERY LAST DAY ON AUGUST 11TH. OKAY, BUT WE'RE REACHING THE POINT NOW. WE GET YOUR POINT. HE SAID THAT HE WOULD WE GET YOUR POINT. HE DOES NOT EVER WANNA GO BACK INTO THIS CHURCH AGAIN. THE, THE EVERYTHING THAT'S LEFT. OKAY, MAYOR, WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYWHERE WITH THIS. IT'S COMING TO A, IT'S COMING TO A STEP UP TO THE PODIUM AT THIS POINT. MY UNDERSTANDING IS Y'ALL COME AND ASK WHAT TO DO. WE'RE TELLING YOU, YOU GOTTA GET YOU AN SUP. OKAY? BUT THAT'S NEXT. THERE IS NO BUTS. THAT'S THE FIRST STEP. AND WE WERE TOLD THAT WE WERE OVER. I'M YOU NOW AS COUNCIL PERSON ON ADVICE OF IT. WE'RE NOT GONNA ARGUE ANYMORE. GONNA ASK MAYOR TO CLOSE THIS. WE'VE BEEN DOING IT. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT LONG ENOUGH AND WE'RE NOT MOVING FORWARD. AND IS THE CHURCH BILL BEFORE S WERE REQUIRED? I, I'VE HEARD I'VE HEARD YOU NINE TIMES. THAT'S WHY WE SHOULD HAVE, I'M A PRETTY SIMPLE PERSON. YOU AIN'T GOT NUMBER ONE MEETING. THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS CLOSED. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM WOULD BE FINANCIAL REPORT FOR QUARTER ENDING SEPTEMBER THE 30TH, 2025. MAKE THIS SHORT BUT COMPREHENSIVE. READY? MM-HMM . OKAY. SO THIS IS A SNAPSHOT OF THE FISCAL YEAR ENDING IN 25. THE GENERAL FUND WE HAVE HERE, UH, THAT OUR RESERVES WERE, UH, 996,000 ABOVE BUDGET WHILE THE EXPENDITURES WERE UNDER BUDGET, ABOUT 1.3 MILLION RESULTING IN A POSITIVE NET VARIANCE. 1.28 MILLION. LOOK AT THE LISTED HERE OF OUR ANNUAL BUDGET YEAR TO DATE, AND THEN THE VARIANCE. ALRIGHT, HERE'S OUR CITYWIDE REVENUE SUMMARY. UH, THE SALES TAX COLLECTIONS WERE UP 210, SO 6% OVER BUDGET, WHICH WE'RE PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. UM, EMS WAS ROCKING IT THIS YEAR. THE REVENUE EXCEEDED PROJECTIONS BY 275,000 REFLECTING HIGH SERVICE ACTIVITY. SO OVERALL REVENUES HAVE OUTPERFORMED BUDGET PROJECTIONS, STRENGTHENING THE YEAR END CASH. OUR EXPENDITURES REMAIN WELL CONTROLLED. POSITIONING THE CITY TO FINISH THE YEAR UNDER BUDGET. OOPS, SORRY. OKAY. HERE'S SOME OF OUR OVERALL OPERATING OVERVIEW. UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THE GENERAL FUND, UH, THE EXPENSE FUND, THE RESERVES AND THE EXPENDITURES WERE NEARLY ON TARGET. UM, THE HOT FUND, THE REVENUES WERE, UH, WITH SOME COLLECTION EFFORTS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND I, WE WERE ABLE TO, UM, IMPROVE WITH SOME OF THE COMPLIANCES WITH THE HOTELS. UH, STREETS AND DANA DRAINAGE WERE UNDER BUDGET DUE TO SOME PROJECTS BEING, UH, UNDER SOME MAJOR WORK IN PROGRESS, A DC SLIGHTLY OVER BUDGET FROM THAT TRANSFER THAT WE DID. UH, THE MOSQUITO FESTIVAL SELF-FUNDED, THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN 181,000. THAT'S OUR BUDGET. WE WENT, WE'RE ABOVE BUDGET. SO WE, UH, HAD A SUCCESSFUL MOSQUITO FESTIVAL. LET'S SEE, CONSTRUCTION FUND, UM, THE REMAINING REVENUES FOR CAPITAL. THE VARIANCE WAS RE REMAINING REVENUES FOR THE CAPITAL PROJECTIONS. UM, EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENTS, UM, THAT'S ON TRACK. DEBT SERVICE FUND, SLIGHTLY OVER BUDGET JUST DUE TO TIMING THAT ALL THIS IS GOING TO, UH, RECONCILE WHEN THE ATTORNEY OR THE ATTORNEY WHEN THE CPA COMES AND IT WILL ALL, UH, RECONCILE SOME OF OUR CAPITAL PURCHASES. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAD ONE ANIMAL CONTROL VEHICLE. FOUR POLICE VEHICLES, SANITATION. WE HAD A CREW TRUCK SIGN LOADER, TRUCK STREETS AND DRAINAGE CREW, TRUCK DUMP, TRUCK PULL BEHIND LIGHT TOWER, UH, TRACTOR ATTACHMENT, [00:55:01] FLAIL MOWER, AND A TOAL MOWER FIRE DEPARTMENT. GOT SOME AIR TANKS, AIR COMPRESSORS, AND SOME JAWS OF LIGHT TOOLS. UTILITIES GOT A CREW TRUCK DITCH, WITCH SEWAGE PUMP AND PARKS AND RECS. GOT SOME PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, UH, FOR HARDEE STREET IN PHASE TWO WITH THE PICKLEBALL AND THE BASKETBALL COURTS. I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT MY LIST HERE. OKAY. I HAD THE DEPARTMENTS JUST GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF A COUPLE THINGS THAT THEY, UH, REVIEWED OVER THE YEAR. THE BUILDING AND PERMITS COMPLETED 20 FRUIT, 24 NEW HOMES. UM, SOME MAJOR PROJECTS WHERE THE HIGH SCHOOL POOL STORAGE FACILITY. UM, AND THERE'S, UH, IN CONSTRUCTION UNDERWAY FOR KEMP FAB GAS STATION AND, UH, PLANTATION AND CITY HALL GROUP REPLACEMENT. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WELCOMED FOUR NEW MEMBERS LAUNCHED, UM, ROOKIE. OH, ROOKIE TRAINING. CAN YOU WELCOME? I'LL TAKE IT OFF OF THIS. JUST A TEAM THERE. THANKS. OKAY. GOT IT. OKAY. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. WELCOME. FOUR NEW MEMBERS LAUNCHED ROOKIE TRAINING CLASSES, IMPROVED ISO TRAINING, UH, RATING EFFORTS AND EXPANDED SCHOOL FIRE PREVENTION PROGRAMS, UH, PARKS AND RECS. THERE WE GO. REPLACE PLAYGROUNDS AT HARDY AND MUNICIPAL PARK. PHASE TWO, THEY ADDED BASKETBALL AND PINBALL COURTS AND MEMORIAL BENCHES. SENIOR PROGRAM AVERAGED OVER A HUNDRED PARTICIPANTS. THE OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT SECURED 250 KEG AND GLO GRANT FOR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. MANAGE 2 MILLION IN FEMA BARREL REIMBURSEMENT, COORDINATED OLIN CHLORINE RESPONSE AND SUBMITTED 1 MILLION SIDEWALK GRANT. ALONG, UM, HIGHWAY 3 32. THE IT DEPARTMENT INSTALLED THE UNIFOR DOOR ACCESS 22 AI CAMERAS WITH PD LINK EXPANDED NETWORK FOR 3000 PLUS USERS AT THE MOSQUITO FESTIVAL. CONNECTED FIRE STATION TWO VIA SECURE V-P-N-E-M-S INSTALLED A ED CITYWIDE TRAINED ALL STAFF AND CPR COMPLETED STATION UPGRADES AND BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS AT STATION ONE. FINANCE STRENGTHENED CAPITAL AND ASSET POLICIES, SUPPORTED SYSTEM UPGRADES. AUDITS GRANT FEMA MANAGEMENT ENSURED ACCURATE RECONCILIATIONS AND SMOOTH YEAR END CLOSE. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ADDED THREE NEW PATROL VEHICLES. AN A CO TRUCK ADDED TWO DEPARTMENT, UH, THE FIRE MARSHAL AND CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. OKAY, THERE WE GO. STREETS AND DRAINAGE COMPLETED. GROUND STORAGE TANK IMPROVEMENTS. REPLACE CITY RICHWOOD, UH, CL RICHWOOD PUMP AND ADVANCE THE COMPREHENSIVE SANITATION REVIEW TO IMPROVE EFFICIENCY AND SERVICE DELIVERY. HUMAN RESOURCES REDUCE TURNOVER FROM 25 TO 9%, UPDATED 60% OF JOB DESCRIPTIONS AND ENHANCE EMPLOYEE BENEFITS TO STRENGTH, STRENGTHEN RETENTION AND ENGAGEMENT. ANY QUESTIONS? IS THAT CLOSE TO THE CLOSEOUT? THAT'S CLOSE TO THE CLOSEOUT? WE WILL CONDUCT OUR FINAL RECONCILIATION AT THE END OF NEXT MONTH. RIGHT? OR DID THEY COME? THEY COME IN DECEMBER, BUT WE'LL GET A PRESENTATION ABOUT FEBRUARY RIGHT FROM THEM. THAT, THAT'S CLOSE TO THE FINAL NUMBERS. OVERALL, WE WERE, YES. YES. VERY WELL PLEASED WITH THE STRENGTH, STRENGTH AND REVENUE. UH, WE WERE SHOCKED BY THE, WELL, PLEASANTLY SURPRISED BY THE SALES TAX AND THE EMS REVENUES BEING ABOVE BOARD OR ABOVE PROJECTIONS THIS PAST YEAR. UH, AND WE CONTINUE, CONTINUE. TURN THAT OFF. SORRY. IT'S OKAY. CONTINUE TO, TO HAVE GOOD FISCAL STRENGTH IN OUR RESERVE FUND BALANCES. I WANNA CREDIT COREY FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER, UH, AND INVOLVING THE DEPARTMENT HEADS. UH, SHE DID A REALLY GOOD JOB, SO, OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH, NO, THANK YOU. AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK ON THE HOT TEXT THAT IT'S A GOOD WORK VIDEO. YOU DO. THANK YOU, CORY. THANK YOU, CORY. NEXT ITEM WOULD BE CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 52 DASH 2025, AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR'S SIGNATURE ON THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH BRAZORIA COUNTY FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 20 25, 20 26 ROAD BRIDGEWORK PROJECTS REQUEST SUMMARY LIST, AND IT WOULD BE RESOLUTION NUMBER 52 20 25, A RESOLUTION CITY COUNCIL CITY OF CL TEXAS AUTHORIZING [01:00:01] THE MAYOR'S SIGNATURE APPROVING THE 2026 ROAD PROJECT SUMMARY REQUEST UNDER THE CITY'S INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH BRAZO COUNTY, WHEREAS THE CITY OF CLUTE, BERO COUNTY HAVE LONG PARTNER TO CONDUCT MUCH NEEDED ROAD STREET WORK PROJECT UNDER A LONGSTANDING INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT. WHEREAS THIS AGREEMENT ALLOWS THE CITY TO USE COUNTY RESOURCES FOR ROAD REPAIR PROJECT LISTED ON THE INTER-LOCAL AGREEMENT PROJECT REQUEST SUMMARY FISCAL YEAR 26TH, AND NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED BY THE CITY COUNCILS FLUTE, TEXAS, THAT THE PROVOST PROJECT LISTED ARE HEREBY APPROVED. AND THE MAYORS AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 ROAD PROJECTS REQUEST SUMMARY FORM FOR BRAZO COUNTY RED PASS AND ADOPTED HIS 23RD DAY OF OCTOBER, 2025, SIGNED BY MYSELF AND TESTIFIED BY ROAD DEPARTMENT CITY CLERK. AND AS YOU SEE, THERE IS AN ATTACHMENT, UH, ABOUT A MILE, UH, A LITTLE OVER A MILE. WE'VE GOT, I THINK 449 LINEAR FEET LEFT OVER. RIGHT? WASN'T THAT THE 400 9490 LINEAR FEET THAT WE TRIED TO, THEY WANT US TO OPERATE IN A SPECIFIC AREA, AND SO BECAUSE WE'RE ASKING THEM TO DO THE REBUILD MILL AND OVERLAY THE CONTRACT AND FOR OUR SPECIFICATIONS THIS TIME, UH, WE FOCUSED ON THE BROCKMAN MCKEE COPPER AREA, WHICH ALL ARE ANCILLARY TO, UH, TO COMMERCE STREET, ANYWHERE. NONE THAT WE GET IS GREAT. AND THESE, SO YOU SAID THEY WANTED WORK DONE, I GUESS, AROUND A CERTAIN AREA, THAT WAY THEY'RE NOT MOVING AROUND, CORRECT? YEAH. TO SAVE ON MOBILIZATION COSTS AND, AND TRANSPORTATION COSTS. YEAH. IF THEY, IF YOU TYPICALLY, IF YOU DON'T TRY TO CENTRALLY LOCATE THE WORK YEAH. THEY WILL COME IN AND DO ONE PHASE AND THEN THEY COME BACK WHEN THEY GET THE EQUIPMENT LOOSE. NEXT TIME IT MAY BE SIX MONTHS, IT MAY BE NINE MONTHS BEFORE THEY COME BACK. YEAH. I REMEMBER , I REMEMBER THAT LAST TIME. NO, I THINK THIS IS GOOD. AND THOUGH THE WAY THAT, WHAT WAS THE WAY THAT YOU LOOKED AT THESE? AND SO WE SAID THESE ARE THE ONES, IF YOU'LL RECALL, LAST YEAR, WE TOOK CARE OF BILLING. WELL, I SAY WE TOOK CARE OF, THEY OVERLAID BILLINGTON IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE FOCUSED ON TRYING TO GET THAT TRIANGULAR AREA FINISHED OFF, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE TO ANOTHER AREA IN THE NEXT STEP. SO WHERE IT SAYS COMMERCE, THE FRONTAGE ROAD, COPPER ROAD, WHAT? TELL ME WHERE THAT'S EXIT. OKAY. IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE END OF WHERE, UH, USED TO BE, THE OLD CENTER POINT, UHHUH BUILDING, THERE'S A ROAD THAT CONNECTS THE FRONTAGE ROAD TO COMMERCE. AT THAT POINT, IF YOU'VE TRIED TO DRIVE IT, UM, YOU PROBABLY NEED TO GO SEE A DENTIST, UM, BECAUSE IT'S IN REALLY BAD SHAPE. AND SO, UH, THIS IS RESURFACING REBUTTING THAT ONE AS WELL. THERE'S A LOT OF INDUSTRIAL TRAFFIC THAT TAKES THAT CUT THROUGH. AND SO THIS WILL FACILITATE THAT COPPER ROAD GOES TO THE, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW THAT THAT WAS CALLED COPPER ROAD TOO. COPPER ROAD GOES TO THE OLD, THE OLD HOWARDS OKAY. . HUH? IT LOOKS LIKE A TURN LANE. IT DOES LOOK LIKE A TURN LANE. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A STREET, SO, YEAH. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL AGUILAR. WE ADOPT RESOLUTION 52 DASH 2025. YES, SIR. SECONDED BY COUNCILPERSON BOND. ALL NO QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, I'LL ENTERTAIN THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. IT'S UNANIMOUS. WE WILL GET SOME SPEECH FIXED, HOPEFULLY. NEXT ITEM IS CONSIDERATION THE POSSIBLE ACTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 53 DASH 2025 APPROVING THE CONTRACT FOR THE REPLACEMENT INSTRUCTORS AT STRAT RIDGE PARK. FOLLOWING HURRICANE BARREL, IT WOULD BE RESOLUTION NUMBER 53 DASH 2025. A RESOLUTION OF CITY COUNCIL CITY INCLUDE TEXAS APPROVING THE ORDER FOR THE REPAIR REPLACEMENTS OF STRUCTURES AT STRAT RIDGE PARK, MITIGATING DAMAGE FROM HURRICANE AND BARREL, WHEREAS MANY OF THE STRUCTURES THAT STRAT RIDGE SUPPORT PLATE WERE DAMAGED BY HURRICANE BARREL, WHERE THE CITY HAS DESIRES FOR REPAIRING AND MITIGATING THIS DAMAGE TO ALLOW FOR THE SAFE USE OF THE FACILITY BY THE PUBLIC, WHERE THE CITY HAS RECEIVED NOTICE BY FEMA THAT THIS PROJECT IS ELIGIBLE FOR REIMBURSEMENT, WHEREAS THE CITY HAS RECEIVED AND REVIEWED MULTIPLE BIDS FOR THE COMPLETION OF THIS WORK. AND WHEREAS STAFF HAVE DETERMINED THAT THE BIDS SUBMITTED BY APEX METAL ASSISTANCE INCLUDE TEXAS PRESENTS THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE SOLUTION TO THIS MITIGATION PROJECT. NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF CITY OF CLUTE, TEXAS, THAT THE APEC BE SYSTEM OF INCLUDE TEXAS IS HEREBY APPROVED TO REPAIR AND MITIGATE DAMAGES TO THE ATHLETIC FACILITIES AT STRIKE RANGE SUPPORT PARK, RED PATH, AND ADOPTED THIS 23RD DAY OF OCTOBER, SIGNED BY MYSELF AND THE ROAD CITY CLERK. APEX WAS THE LOW BID. UM, IT, THE WORK NEEDS TO GET DONE. AND DO YOU, I MEAN, IF IT SAYS 75% REIMBURSEMENT, OH, I'M SORRY. [01:05:01] I'M SORRY, SIR. YES. WELL, UH, SO, UH, FEMA REIMBURSEMENT IS TYPICALLY 75%. UH, WE HAVE BEEN INFORMED BY THE STATE THAT THEY WILL BE MATCHING THE ADDITIONAL 25%. WE'LL SEE IF THAT COMES TO FRUITION. UH, WE'LL ALSO SEE WHEN THE FEDERAL FUNDING COMES, BECAUSE AS WE ALL KNOW, EVERYTHING IS FROZEN RIGHT NOW. SO WE WERE UNDER A FINAL REVIEW BY OUR PDMG AT, AT FEMA, UH, PRIOR TO THE SHUTDOWN. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THEY'RE CONTINUING TO WORK, BUT THEY CANNOT RELEASE FUNDS. BUT IT'LL COME EVENTUALLY, SOME SOMEDAY. I, I WOULD NOTE THAT, YOU KNOW, ON IKE, I THINK IT WAS 10 YEARS BEFORE WE FINALLY SAW OUR MONEY, SO, UH, WE HOPE IT NOT, WE HOPE IT'S NOT THAT WAY THIS TIME. UH, WHAT, 10 YEARS BEFORE? BEFORE WE SAW ALL OF IT. ALL OF IT. THAT'S GREAT. , WE, WE GOT PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL PORTION. YEAH. UP. THAT'S TRUE. YEAH. BUT I WILL HAVE TO SAY THAT PART OF THAT WAS OUR FAULT. OH, GOTCHA. . OUR PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION. I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN AGUILAR THAT WE APPROVE RESOLUTION 53 DASH 1 25. SECONDED BY I'LL SECOND COUNCILPERSON BOND. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. I'LL ENTERTAIN THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM WOULD BE CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 54 25, AFFIRMING THE CITY'S CONTINUED MEMBERSHIP IN THE TEXAS COALITION FOR AFFORDABLE POWER TCAP UNDER THE SHORT TERM HEDGING PROGRAM. SHP CONTRACT SET TO CONTINUE FROM JANUARY 1ST, 2028 TO DECEMBER THE 31ST, 2032. LEVERAGING COMPETITIVE PRICING AND AGGREGATE LOAD BENEFITS WITH NO ACTION REQUIRED TO REMAIN. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. WE'VE ALWAYS GOTTEN COMPETITIVE RATES. I KNOW IT'S A WEIRD TIMEFRAME, BUT YOU HAVE TO PRE-BUY IN ORDER TO LOCK IN THOSE PRICES. MAYOR, COUNSEL, MY NAME'S MARGARET SUMMARY. I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF TCAP. SORRY, YOU SN IT ON ME. HEY, HOW YOU DOING? GOOD TO SEE YOU, . HOW ARE YOU? IF YOU HAVE A FEW MINUTES, I'LL GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION REAL QUICK. OKAY. KIND OF GIVE YOU, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT TCAP AND HOW WE BUY ELECTRICITY IN WAY. CAN I? OH, I CAN. SO WHO IS TCAP? UM, WE ARE, UM, AN ORGANIZATION OF 173 MEMBERS, UM, THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF TEXAS. WE HAVE, UM, 13 MEMBERS HERE IN THE WEST ZONE. I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, WE HAVE 15 MEMBERS IN THE HOUSTON ZONE. YOU'D THINK I'D KNOW WHERE I AM TODAY. IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY. I'M SURE IT HAS BEEN FOR Y'ALL AS WELL. UM, THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS IS MADE UP OF OUR MEMBERSHIP. UM, ANYONE CAN RUN FOR THE BOARD. HALF THE POSITIONS ARE, UM, OPEN EVERY YEAR. SO WE HAVE, UM, A, UM, REQUEST FOR NOMINATIONS FOR THE BOARD COMING OUT, UH, NEXT WEEK. IF YOU WANNA RUN FOR THE BOARD RIGHT NOW. THE HOUSTON ZONE IS REPRESENTED BY THE CITY OF SUGARLAND AND TOMBALL. SO WHY TCAP? WHAT MAKES US DIFFERENT? UM, FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE A NON-PROFIT POLITICAL SUBDIVISION ORGANIZATION, SO WE ONLY HELP LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. MOST OF OUR MEMBERSHIP IS CITIES. ABOUT 89% OF OUR MEMBERSHIP IS CITIES, BUT WE ALSO HAVE OTHER, UM, POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS, WATER DISTRICTS, ESPECIALLY UTILITY DISTRICTS, UM, HOUSING AUTHORITIES, TRANSIT AUTHORITIES. WE POOL, EVERYONE'S, UM, AGGREGATE THEIR, UH, KILOWATTS TOGETHER AND WE GO OUT INTO THE WHOLESALE MARKET WITH ABOUT 1 BILLION KILOWATTS. SO WE'RE BUYING ONE BIG CONTRACT FOR THE ENTIRE GROUP. UM, AGAIN, WE'RE GOING OUT INTO THE WHOLESALE MARKET. UM, EVERYBODY ELSE PRETTY MUCH HANGS OUT IN THE RETAIL MARKET, SO THAT ALSO HELPS TO FIND SOME SAVINGS. THE OTHER THING IS THAT WHEN WE POOL EVERYONE TOGETHER, WHEN YOU BUY A CONTRACT ON YOUR OWN, IT'S BASED ON YOUR LOAD PROFILE, HOW YOU USE ELECTRICITY. SO IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A GOOD LOAD PROFILE, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, MEMBER B, UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY'RE USING MORE POWER, UM, IN THE DAYLIGHT HOURS WHEN MOST EVERYBODY ELSE IS USING, UM, POWER VERSUS MEMBER A, UM, IS A CITY THAT PROBABLY HAS WATER TREATMENT WASTEWATER, UM, TREATMENT AND HAS MORE POWER IN THE OVERNIGHT HOURS. WHEN YOU COMBINE EVERYONE TOGETHER, WE START FLATTENING OUT AND WE'RE THE BLUE LINE ON THAT GRAPH. AND THE FLATTER THE LOAD, THE BETTER THE PRICING BECAUSE WE'RE USING IT AT, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH A SIMILAR, UM, AT ALL TIMES. SO WE ARE UNIQUELY DIFFERENT. WE ARE ACTUALLY WRITTEN INTO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE. UM, BACK WHEN DEREG HAPPENED IN 1999, CITIES CAME TOGETHER AND DECIDED THAT WE NEEDED TO, YOU KNOW, JOIN TOGETHER TO, UM, WATCH OUT FOR EACH OTHER. WE HAVE A BIFURCATED CONTRACT. THAT MEANS, AGAIN, WE GO [01:10:01] OUT INTO THE WHOLESALE MARKET FOR THE ENERGY. WE DO HAVE A CONTRACT WITH A RETAIL ELECTRIC PROVIDER, BUT THEY'RE ONLY OUR BILLING PARTNER. THEY HAVE NO, UM, PARTICIPATION AT ALL IN THE CONTRACT. UM, THEY ARE GONNA BUILD, UM, WHOEVER WE TELL THEM TO BILL. THE GOOD NEWS ABOUT THAT IS THAT FOR SOME REASON WE DON'T THINK RIGHT NOW IT'S JEX A, BUT IF WE DON'T THINK JEX A'S DOING GOOD IN CUSTOMER SERVICE, WE CAN GET RID OF JA GET A DIFFERENT BILLING PARTNER AND STILL KEEP OUR RATES. WE DON'T LOSE THAT PART OF THE CONTRACT. SO YOU DON'T SEE THAT ANYWHERE ELSE. IF YOU DON'T LIKE YOUR RATES AT HOME, YOU CHANGE THE RATE. YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T LIKE YOUR PROVIDER, YOU CHANGE, YOU LOSE YOUR RATES. WE DO CHARGE A VERY SMALL AGGREGATION FEE. IT'S LESS THAN A MIL OF A CENT PER KILOWATT, BUT FOR THAT YOU GET A LOT OF, UH, MEMBERSHIP SERVICES. WE'LL SEND OUT ANNUAL BUDGET ESTIMATES OF WHAT WE THINK THE CITY SHOULD BUDGET FOR ITS ELECTRICITY NEXT, UM, FISCAL YEAR. UM, WE ALSO WILL ASSIST WITH STATE REPORTING. AND BECAUSE CLU IS IN THE NON-ATTAINMENT AREA, THERE IS A CCO REPORTING. WE'LL, UM, SEND ALL THAT INFORMATION OUT, UM, IN FEBRUARY AS WELL. UM, WE ALSO, UM, DO MONTHLY WEBINARS. WE ACTUALLY HAVE ONE TOMORROW ON HOW TO RUN HVAC BETTER, UM, TO TRY AND SAVE MONEY. UM, WE DO THOSE THE LAST, UM, FRIDAY OF THE MONTH. UM, WE ALSO HAVE A VOICE OF THE LEGISLATURE, UM, THE PUC AND ERCOT. UM, THIS LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION, WE GOT HOUSE BILL 29 62 INTRODUCED BY REPRESENTATIVE JEFF BERRY. UM, IT WAS GOING TO EXEMPT CITIES FROM THE GROSS RECEIPTS TAX. SO, UM, BASICALLY, UM, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS PAY THE STATE A SALES TAX ON THEIR ELECTRICITY BILL. WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THAT REPEALED. SCHOOL DISTRICTS GOT IT REPEALED SEVERAL SESSIONS AGO, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, UM, REPRESENTATIVE BARRY DID A GREAT JOB, UM, FOR US AND REALLY TRIED TO GET THE BILL OUTTA COMMITTEE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THE COMMITTEE CHAIR DIDN'T WANNA GET IT OUTTA COMMITTEE, SO IT FAILED. BUT IN THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION, WE'LL TRY AGAIN. SO, CON CONTRACTING, UM, PRIOR TO WINTER STORM URI BACK IN 21, CONTRACTS WERE PRETTY SIMPLE. THEY WERE FIXED PRICE, FIXED TERM. YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY YOU'D GO FOR A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT. THAT'S THE WAY TCAP DID IT. THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS, IS THAT YOU'RE BUYING, UM, A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT ON ONE DAY ELECTRICITY PRICES CHANGE DAILY. YOU HOPE YOU FOUND THE PERFECT DAY AND THAT YOU'RE GONNA SAVE MONEY. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, IF FOR SOME REASON, AND WE SAW THIS BACK IN 2014 WITH FRACKING, IF THE PRICE HAS TAKE A NO DIVE, YOU'RE LOCKED INTO A CONTRACT AND YOU CAN'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE LOWER PRICES. THE FLIP SIDE IS TRUE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE LOCKED INTO A CONTRACT AND PRICES RISE, YOU'RE LOCKED INTO A CONTRACT. UM, WHAT WE STARTED SEEING BACK IN ABOUT 2015 WAS THAT THE BEST CONTRACT TO BUY IN THE MARKET WAS A ONE YEAR CONTRACT, TWO YEARS IN ADVANCE. AND SO THE BOARD DETERMINED BACK IN 2020 THAT WE WOULD, FOR THE PERIOD 23 THROUGH 27, IS WE WOULD BUY ONE YEAR CONTRACTS TWO YEARS IN ADVANCE FOR A PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS. THE FIVE YEARS ENDS, UM, IN 27. SO THE BOARD AT ITS MAY MEETING, UM, APPROVE THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE DOING THAT FOR AN ADDITIONAL FIVE YEARS. AND SO THE GOOD NEWS IS, IS THAT YOU'RE NEVER LOCKED INTO A LONG-TERM CONTRACT. IF WE SEE PRICES GO REALLY LOW, WE CAN LOCK IN BIGGER PORTIONS OF THE CONTRACT, UM, TO HELP MAKE THOSE COST SAVINGS, ONLY BUYING ONE YEAR CONTRACTS. A LOT OF ADDITIONAL COSTS THAT THEY PUT INTO FIVE YEAR CONTRACTS DISAPPEAR. THEY PUT IN PRICE PREMIUMS BECAUSE THEY NEVER KNOW WHAT'S REALLY GONNA HAPPEN IN THOSE OUT YEARS. AND SO THOSE DISAPPEAR IN THESE SHORT TERM CONTRACTS. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PRO IS, UM, THAT WE'RE GETTING THE BEST CONTRACT IN THE MARKET. THE CON IS, IS THAT YES, IT COULD, UM, GO UP, UM, THE PRE THE NEXT YEAR VERSUS THE PREVIOUS YEAR. AND SINCE 23, WE HAVE SEEN THE PRICES GO UP. THE PROBLEM IS THE PRICES AREN'T NECESSARILY GOING UP ON THE COMMODITY. THEY'VE GONE UP SLIGHTLY. WHAT THE PRICES HAVE GONE UP FOR IS EVERYTHING AFTER WINTER STORM MURRY, ALL OF THE ERCOT CHARGES. UM, JUST REAL BRIEFLY, SO THIS JUST TELLS YOU, UM, THE CHART HERE SHOWS YOU THE BLUE LINES REPRESENT EVERY PRICE IN THAT PARTICULAR YEAR. AND AGAIN, IF YOU'RE BUYING LONG-TERM CONTRACTS, YOU HOPE YOU'RE AT THE BOTTOM, BUT YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW WHEN YOU'RE AT THE BOTTOM TILL THE YEAR'S PASSED. THE RED LINE IS THE AVERAGE PRICE OF ELECTRICITY FOR EVERY YEAR, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE AVERAGE IS A LOT MORE STABLE. AND SO WITH OUR SHP PROGRAM, WE'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT RED LINE AND TRYING TO BE MUCH MORE STABLE IN PRICING. VERY TOUCHY. YES, IT'S [01:15:01] . VERY TOUCHY. UM, SO A COUPLE THINGS REAL QUICKLY. ELECTRICITY IS EXEMPT FROM, UH, THE BIDDING LOSS, UM, BECAUSE YOU CAN DO AN RFP, BUT IT, THE CONTRACT ITSELF COULD NEGATE A LOW PRICE. UM, THERE CAN BE LANGUAGE IN THE CONTRACT THAT, UM, WOULD OFFSET ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD SHOW ON AN RFP SHEET. SO, UM, THE ELECTRICITY IS EXEMPT FROM BIDDING. UM, THE OTHER THING IS CONTRACT LANGUAGE COULD INCLUDE COSTS THAT AREN'T INCLUDED IN THE PRICE AND OFF THE SHELF. CONTRACTS DON'T HELP CITIES. UM, WHEN YOU GET, IF ANYONE COMES TO YOUR DOOR AND SAYS, HERE'S AN ELECTRICITY CONTRACT THAT'S BASICALLY THE SAME CONTRACT AS THEY'RE GIVING WALMART OR A MCDONALD'S, WE HAVE OUR OWN CONTRACT TO TAKE, UM, INTO CONSIDERATION THE NEEDS OF CITIES. UM, AND SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE WRITTEN A LOT OF THINGS IN OUR CONTRACT AND THEN WE GO TO THE PROVIDERS AND SAY, YOU HAVE TO LIVE BY THIS. AND THEY AGREE AND THEY AGREE BECAUSE WE ARE A GOOD LOAD, WE'RE A LARGE LOAD AND WE'RE, UM, A PRETTY STABLE LOAD. AND THEN DON'T BE FOOLED BY, UM, FIXED PRICES. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT ON THIS SHEET, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING SINCE WINTER STORM URI. WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW IS A LOT OF OUR COMPETITORS WILL COME AND TELL YOU THEY'VE GOT THIS GREAT RATE 4 CENTS, YOU KNOW, TCAPS AT 6 CENTS, THEY'RE AT 4 CENTS. THE REASON THEY'RE AT 4 CENTS IS THEY'RE EXCLUDING EVERYTHING OUT OF THAT PRICE TO MAKE IT LOOK LOWER. AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS, IS THAT ALL OF THOSE ERCOT CHARGES THAT WE'RE STARTING TO, THAT WE'VE SEEN THAT HAVE JUST SKYROCKETED OUT OF CONTROL, THEY'RE LINE ITEMING THEM, UM, AND WHEN THEY LINE ITEM THEM, THEY CHANGE THE NAMES. THERE'S ALL SORTS OF NAMES FOR THEM. UM, AND THEY'LL JUST KEEP LINE ITEM IN THEM. SO THE PROBLEM BECOMES, THE ONE WE GOT UP THERE ACTUALLY DOES SHOW THE RATE. MOST OF THE TIME THEY DON'T TELL YOU WHAT THE RATE'S GONNA BE, SO YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY'RE CHARGING YOU, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE FROM ONE MONTH TO THE NEXT. WHAT TCAP DOES IS BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY BUYING ONE YEAR CONTRACTS, WE UM, FIGURE OUT WHAT THE REASONABLE, UM, ERCOT CHARGES HAVE BEEN OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS. WE ROLL THEM IN. SO IT DEFINITELY DOES FIX YOUR RATE. AT THE END OF EACH QUARTER, IT GETS TRUED UP. SO IF THERE IS, UM, TOO MUCH MONEY THAT WE PAID THAT THE COLLECTED FROM THE CITIES, IT COMES BACK TO TCAP, IT GOES INTO AN ESCROW ACCOUNT. IF THE NEXT QUARTER, UM, THERE WE OWE MONEY, WE PAY IT OUT OF THE ESCROW ACCOUNT. SO WE ARE NOT COMING BACK TO Y'ALL. SO WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP RATES AS STABLE AND AS FIXED AS POSSIBLE. UM, JUST REAL BRIEFLY, THE CITY OF CLU, YOU'VE BEEN A MEMBER SINCE 2011. UM, YOU'VE RECEIVED $28,797 AND 96 CENTS IN REFUNDS FROM US. WE WERE ABLE TO DO REFUNDS OUT OF THAT ESCROW ACCOUNT PRIOR TO 2018. 2018. THE BIG THING WAS THEY SHUT DOWN ALL OF THE COAL PLANTS AND SO THERE WASN'T AS MUCH, UM, ENERGY ON THE GRID AND THEN WINTER STORM AREA ROLLED AROUND IN 2021. SO, UM, WE'VE BEEN PAYING ALL OF THE ADDITIONAL COSTS, UM, AND NOT PUSHING THOSE THROUGH AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. YOU CAN SEE ON HERE, UM, THAT WHAT THE OTHER THING THAT IS ALSO MAKING UP A LARGE PORTION OF YOUR BILL ARE THE CENTER POINT CHARGES AND THOSE CONTINUE TO GO UP AS WELL. AND OUR ATTORNEYS, UM, ARE AT THE PUC FIGHTING TO KEEP THOSE CENTER POINT CHARGES DOWN AS WELL. SO THAT'S TCAP. UM, SO AGAIN, UM, YOU SIGNED THE CONTRACT IN 2020, THE CONTRACT TERMS ENDING IN 27. UM, IF YOU WANT TO STAY WITH TCAP, I KNOW YOU HAVE A RESOLUTION. WE, UM, TOLD ROSIE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA ADOPT A RESOLUTION, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING BECAUSE YOUR CONTRACT ALLOWS FOR THESE EXTENSIONS, UM, JUST TO CONTINUE IN TCAP AND CAN, UM, HAVE US BUY ELECTRICITY FOR YOU. ALRIGHT, I JUST WANNA THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR ADVOCACY AND YOUR OUTREACH. YOU GUYS DO A GREAT JOB OF KEEPING US INFORMED AND AND REPRESENTED. I KNOW, I'M SORRY ROSIE. I I'LL LEAN IN FURTHER. UH, NO Y Y'ALL HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB FOR US AND I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF ALL THE HELP. THANK YOU. THE HELP. WOULD YOU BRING YOUR MIC UP A LITTLE BIT? YEAH, I DON'T, WE'RE NOT SOMETHING I WANNA SAY, BUT I'M NOT GONNA SAY IT. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. YES, APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR PATIENCE WITH OUR MEETING TONIGHT. I GET IT. , APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NO OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. WE ALL, WE ALL DEAL WITH HIGHER PRISES EVERY DAY. YEAH, WE UNDERSTAND . IT WOULD BE RESOLUTION NUMBER 54 DASH 2025, A RESOLUTION OF CITY COUNCIL OF CITY TEXAS AFFIRMING CONTINUED MEMBERSHIP OF THE TEXAS COALITION FOR AFFORDABLE POWER AND INC UNDER THE SHORT TERM HEDGING PROGRAM SHP CONTRACT. WHEREAS THE CITY HAS BEEN A MEMBER OF THE TEXAS COALITION OF AFFORDABLE POWER INC. [01:20:01] DECAP A NONPROFIT POLITICAL SUBDIVISION CORPORATION SINCE 2011 FOR THE PURCHASE OF APPROXIMATELY 4,888,488 KILOWATTS OF ELECTRICITY ANNUALLY. THAT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT. WHEREAS TCAP OWNED AND CONTROL BY 172 POLITICAL SUBDIVISION MEMBERS AND GOVERNED BY A 15 MEMBER BOARD OF DIRECTORS PROVIDES COMPETITIVE ELECTRICITY PRICING THROUGH A SHORT TERM HEDGING PROGRAM SHP, WHICH PRODUCES ONE 12TH OF THE ANNUAL SUPPLY MONTHLY TWO YEARS FORWARD, REDUCING CARRYING CHARGES AT RISK PREMIUMS. AND WHEREAS THE TCAP BOARD APPROVED THE CONTINUATION OF THE SHP CONTRACT FOR AN ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIOD FROM JANUARY THE FIRST, 2028 TO DECEMBER THE 31ST, 2032, WITH NO ACTION REQUIRED BY THE CITY OF PLU TO REMAIN IN THE PROGRAM. WHEREAS TCAPS AGGREGATED LOAD OF 1.04 BILLION KILOWATT HOURS ANNUALLY GEOGRAPHICALLY DIVERSIFIES ACROSS ALL FOUR ERCOT ZONES AND A 2024 LOAD FACTOR OF 70. WHEREAS THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY OF CLUTE, DESIRES TO AFFIRM ITS COMMITMENT TO CONTINUED MEMBERSHIP TO TCAPS TO LEVERAGE THESE BENEFITS FOR COST EFFECTIVE AND COST EFFECTIVE AND RELIABLE ELECTRICAL PROCUREMENT. NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED BY THE CITY OF COUNCIL OF CITY CL TEXAS, THAT THE CITY OF PLU AFFIRMS ITS INTENT TO CONTINUE ITS MEMBERSHIP IN THE TEXAS COALITION FOR AFFORDABLE POWER INC. DECAP UNDER THE SHORT TERM HEDGING PROGRAM SHP FOR THE CONTRACT PERIOD OF JANUARY THE FIRST 2028 TO DECEMBER 31ST, 2032. THIS RESOLUTION WILL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY UPON PASSAGE, ITS PATH THAT ADOPTED THIS 23RD DAY OF OCTOBER, 2025 OF THE CITY COUNCILMAN CITY CLERK SIGNED BY MYSELF AND TESTIFIED BY ROSA APPOINTMENT CITY CLERK I FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE. CORRECT. I'LL MAKE THE MOTION. COUNCILMAN COUNCILMAN GUIAR MAKES A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 52 DASH 2025. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SO MOVED. MOVED BY COUNCIL PER BOND. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE ALL ENTERTAIN VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM WOULD BE THE CONSIDERATION, THE POSSIBLE ACTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 55 20 25 TO APPROVE M-E-P-H-V-A-C ENGINEERING CHANGE ORDER RELATED TO THE ROOF REPLACEMENT PROJECT. IT WOULD BE RESOLUTION NUMBER 55 DASH 2025. RESOLUTION OF CITY COUNCIL OF CITY OF CLUTE, TEXAS APPROVING A CHA CHANGE TASK ORDER FOR HVAC MEP ENGINEERING RELATED TO THE ROOF REPLACEMENT ON CITY HALL AND THE RECORDS BUILDING. WHEREAS CIVIL CORP LLC WAS PREVIOUSLY COMMISSIONED BY THE CITY OF CLU TO CONDUCT A STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING REPORT RELATED TO DAMAGE MITIGATION FOR CITY HALL. THE RECORD BUILDING AND FIRE STATION NUMBER ONE FOLLOWING DAMAGES IS RELATED TO HURRICANE BARREL, WHEREAS CITY CLU CONDITIONALLY APPROVED TWO CHANGE TASK ORDERS FOR THE ENGINEERING DESIGN AND OTHER SERVICES RELATED TO THE INSTALLATION OF THE NEW ROOFING SYSTEM AT CITY HALL IN THE RECORD BUILDING. AND WHEREAS THE ORIGINAL TASK ORDER OMITTED THE REPLACEMENT AND OUR RELOCATING OF THE HVAC SYSTEM, WHEREAS CIVIL CORP HAS LOCATED AND RETAINED THE SERVICES OF BOZEMAN ENGINEERING WHO SPECIALIZE IN MEP AND HVAC ENGINEERING. AND WHEREAS AFTER REVIEWING THE SCOPE AND SCALE OF THE PROJECT, BOZEMAN HAS SUBMITTED A CHANGE TASK ORDER FOR THE EVALUATION DESIGN AND OVERSIGHT OF THE RELOCATION REPLACEMENT OF THE HVAC SYSTEMS ASSOCIATED WITH BOTH BUILDINGS. NOW THEREFORE, IT BE RESOLVED BY THE CITY OF COUNCIL, CITY OF KLUTE, TEXAS THAT THE ATTACHED HERE TO ATTACHED TASK ORDER ATTACHED HERE TO PRESENTED BY BOZEMAN ENGINEERING IS HEREBY APPROVED AT A COST NOT TO EXCEED 24,000 AND STAFF ARE DIRECTED TO PROCEED WITH ALL STEP, ALL NEEDED STEPS TO EXECUTE A PROJECT TO RELOCATE, REPLACE THE HVAC SYSTEM TO INSTALL A PIT ROOF ON CITY HALL AND THE RECORD BUILDING FOR FUTURE DAMAGE MITIGATION. FURTHER A TASK ORDER HEREBY APPROVED TO INITIATE THE DESIGN BID LETTING AND CONSTRUCTION SUPERVISION FOR SUCH MITIGATION PROBLEM. PROJECT RED PATH THAT ADOPTED THE 23RD DAY OF OCTOBER, 2025, SIGNED BY MYSELF AND TESTIFIED I CITY CLERK. SO WE UH, IF YOU RECALL LAST TIME WE APPROVED THE CHANGE ORDER FOR CIVIL COURT TO INCLUDE UH, THE MEP. UH, ONCE THEY GOT A LOOK AT THE PRELIMINARY PLANS, THEY REALIZED THAT THEY HAD DRASTICALLY UNDERBID IT AND COULDN'T PRODUCE THE PROJECT AT THE SCALE THAT WE NEED. THEY THOUGHT WE WERE JUST LIFTING THE HVAC UNITS AND UH, THAT'S NOT THE CASE. WE NEED TO GET 'EM OFF THE ROOF IF WE'RE GONNA PUT A PITCH DRIFT ON HERE. SO, UH, I'VE TRIED TO NEGOTIATE WITH 'EM, UM, BUT THEY FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE BOTTOM DOLLAR. SO, SO THEY'LL PRESENT US WITH MULTIPLE OPTIONS ON REPLACEMENTS, [01:25:01] WHETHER IT'S PUTTING THE CURRENT UNITS BACK ON THE GROUND AND REDUCTING, WHETHER IT'S PUTTING A CHILLER IN, WHETHER IT'S PUTTING MINI SPLITS IN, WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION ONCE THEY FINISH THEIR DESIGN. SO HOW MUCH LONGER IS THIS GONNA TAKE? WELL, THEY'VE ALREADY STARTED THE WORK. UH, THEY'RE WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH, UH, CIVIL COURT. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE REVISED WIND ROAD WIND LOAD RATINGS ON THE ACTUAL ROOF, UH, HOPEFULLY BY TOMORROW, MONDAY AT THE LATEST SO THEY CAN FINISH THE DESIGN ONCE WE FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. THE PRELIMINARY PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED WAS, UH, LESS THAN, UH, LESS THAN WHAT WE WOULD HOPE FOR FROM AN AESTHETIC POINT OF VIEW. AND QUITE FRANKLY, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL RISK THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE ROOF. JERRY, MYSELF AND JOHN JOINED THEM ON A CONFERENCE CALL TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT OUR CONCERNS. SO THEY'RE GOING BACK AND RERATING LOOKING AT THE WIND LOAD RATING ON THE, ON THE BUILDING ITSELF. SO WAY THEY CAN RE-ENGINEER IT. THAT MAY CAUSE, UH, THE INSTALLATION OF ADDITIONAL STEEL JOIST POTENTIALLY EVEN POST OUTSIDE THE BUILDING TO SUPPORT THE SUPER STRUCTURE OF THE, OF THE, UH, OF THE ACTUAL ROOF ONCE IT GOES ON. SO, UM, WE'RE NOT SURE THE QUALITY OF THE STEEL THAT WAS USED IN THE CURRENT JOISTS AND WHETHER THEY WOULD SUPPORT THE WEIGHT OF A PITCHED ROOF, UM, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ANALYZE ALONG WITH THE WIND LOAD FOR THE EXTERIOR WALLS. NO, I MEAN THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE GOTTA DO TO GET THIS DONE. I MEAN, THERE'S NOT MUCH REALLY MUCH TO SAY. YEAH, I MEAN, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO PUT A NEW ROOF ON POKE HOLES IN IT. MM-HMM . ABSOLUTELY NOT. AND THIS 24,000 IS JUST FOR THE ENGINEERING. THAT'S JUST THE ENGINEERING. IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE COST PROJECTIONS ON WHAT THEY WOULD COST TO REPLACE THE SYSTEM OR, AND WE BUILT IN, I THINK IT WAS ALMOST 400,000 BECAUSE WE ASSUMED WE WERE GONNA BE PUTTING A CHILLER IN, BUT THEY MAY THINK THAT WE WANNA DO SOMETHING LESS THAN A CHILLER. SO INTO THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION BUDGET. I GUESS EVERYTHING HIT ME. I'LL MAKE THAT MONEY. I GUESS EVERYTHING IN YOU, YOU'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. WELL, THANK YOU SIR. UH, I'LL SEND MOTION. HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN AGUILAR DISCUSSION THAT COME OUT WRONG, . OR MAYBE, MAYBE IT JUST BE TOO LONG. MAYBE WE CAN GET RID OF OUR GUTTERS. YEAH. HEY, THE INTERNAL GUTTERS. YES. THAT'S OUR PLAN. IT FEELS TEMPORARY. OKAY. YOU DISCUSS ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS? HEARING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR A AYE. THANK YOU. IT'S UNANIMOUS. NEXT ITEM WILL BE CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 56 DASH 2025 APPROVING THE REVISION TO THE CITY MASTER FEE SCHEDULE AND IT WOULD BE RESOLUTION NUMBER 56 DASH 2025. A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL CITY INCLUDE TEXAS APPROVING THE CITY'S MASTER FEE SCHEDULE, WHEREAS THE CITY'S REQUIRED BY STATE LAW TO DEVELOP, REVISE, AND POST A MASTER FEE SCHEDULE PERIODICALLY. AND WHEREAS CITY IS DESIRES OF COMPLYING WITH THIS REQUIREMENT AS A MATTER OF PUBLIC TRANSPARENCY AND WHEREAS THE STAFF HAVE CONDUCTED AN EXTENSIVE REVIEW OF THE FEES CHARGED BY THE CITY TO ENSURE THEY MEET THE STATE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS ARE IN LINE WITH REGIONAL NORMS, WHEREAS CITY HAS REVIEWED THE FEES AND IT'S IN CONCURRENCE WITH STAFF NOW, THEREFORE, IT BEING RESOLVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, CITY OF CLUTE, TEXAS, THAT THE MASTER FEE SCHEDULE HERE TO ATTACH IS APPROVED AND ADOPTED FOR THOSE FEES CURRENTLY AUTHORIZED BY ORDINANCE. FURTHER STAFF ARE DIRECTED TO ENSURE THAT SAID FEES ARE UPDATED AND POSTED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. RED PATHS HAD ADOPTED THIS 23RD DAY OF OCTOBER, 2025, SIGNED BY MYSELF, TESTED BY ROSIE ONE, THE CITY CLERK. I WANT TO THANK THE DEPARTMENTS FOR GETTING US THE INFORMATION TO PULL THIS ALL TOGETHER. UH, WE HAVEN'T HAD A COMPREHENSIVE LISTING IN QUITE SOME TIME. UH, YOU'LL NOTE THERE'S COLOR CODING TO THE ACTUAL MASTER FEE SCHEDULE. THOSE IN GREEN WILL REQUIRE A FOLLOW-UP ORDINANCE. UH, SO WE WILL BRING THOSE ORDINANCES BACK TO YOU. UH, WHAT YOU'RE ADOPTING TONIGHT IS EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S NOT IN GREEN. UH, THOSE INCLUDE THE CHANGES TO THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS, WHICH NOW BRING US INTO ALIGNMENT. UH, WITH STATE LAW WE'RE NO LONGER ALLOWED TO BILL BASED ON VALUATION. WE HAVE TO BILL BY SQUARE FOOT. UH, SO WE HAVE TAKEN A LOOK AT THE REGIONAL NORMS AND WE THINK WE'RE IN THE BALLPARK ON THOSE. UH, WE'VE ALSO BEEN PREEMPTED ON A COUPLE OF THEM. UH, MAINLY THE, UH, MOBILE VENDING UNIT OR FOOD TRUCKS, UH, THAT GOES INTO EFFECT IN JULY. BUT WE WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO CHARGE A PERMIT FEE FOR THOSE, UH, AS LONG AS THEY HAVE A STATE HEALTH PERMIT OR A PER HEALTH PERMIT FROM THE COUNTY. AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE QUESTIONS [01:30:01] YOU ANSWERED FOR ME ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ASKING HIM ANYWAY. I THINK THE OTHER DAY I ASKED HIM LIKE FOUR TIMES THE SAME QUESTION, SO I APPRECIATE THAT. SEE IF $85 TO PASS THE STATE OR WHAT? NO, YEAH. NO, THE SUP IS ACTUALLY UNDER A ZONING PERMIT APPLICATION. IT'S ALL INCLUSIVE. SO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION? 56 DASH 2025. SO MOVED. MOVE BY COUNCIL PERSON OF HONOR. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. AND THE GREEN ONE REQUIRES ORDINANCE, WE'VE GOTTA GO BACK AND DO ORDINANCES TO, TO BRING IT INTO, TO BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE. YES, SIR. AND THE YELLOW? THE YELLOW ARE ONES THAT HAVE CHANGED FROM CURRENT, CURRENTLY AUTHORIZED ORDINANCES THAT ALREADY ARE ON THE BOOKS, BUT IN SOME CASES WE HAD TO CHANGE THE MODEL WITH WHICH WE DERIVED THE FEE. SO PLAN REVIEW, UH, BUILDING PERMITS, UH, EVALUATION ON GENERATORS. WE'RE ALSO, UH, I FORGOT TO MENTION NOW, PRECLUDED FROM CHARGING A PERMIT FOR AN ELECTRICAL GENERATOR IF YOU ATTACH ONE TO YOUR HOUSE. BUT FOR THE ACTUAL ELECTRICAL WORK THAT IS DONE TO CONNECT IT. SO THE VALUE OF THOSE PERMITS HAVE DROPPED SIGNIFICANTLY. HMM. WELL I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT IN THE GREEN SECTION. WE'RE UNDER GAS TESTING. YES MA'AM. IT SAYS NEW RESIDENCE. NEW COMMERCIAL IS YOU SAY NEW. DOES THAT MEAN LIKE BRAND NEW HOME BEING BUILT? CORRECT. OR SOMEONE MOVING INTO A, A NEW HOME FOR THEM? SO, SO THE UNDER THE GAS TESTING NEW RESIDENCE IS A NEW RESIDENCE THAT'S BEING CONSTRUCTED. OKAY. YES. RESIDENTIAL REMODEL REPAIRS. IF THEY HAVE TO REPLACE, LET'S SAY THEY CHANGE OUT THEIR WATER HEATER OR THEY'RE INSTALLING A NEW FURNACE. I DON'T THINK MANY FOLKS HAVE GAS FURNACE. WELL MAYBE THEY DO, BUT THAT KIND OF WORK. I SEE IT NOW. I'M FUZZY ON MY PAPER. YEAH, I'M SORRY FOR THE PRINT, PRINT QUALITY. NO MA'AM. IT'S NOT, IT'S FINE AS WELL. IT UHUH. ANY MORE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? HEARING NONE? I'LL ENTERTAIN THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR A AYE. UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. OH AND AND ANSWER. UH, I THINK YOU WERE PROBABLY GONNA FOLLOW UP WITH WHY WAS IT IN GREEN IN THE PAST THOSE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN TREATED AS PLUMBING PERMITS BASED ON VALUE. AH, NOT SEPARATED OUT. OKAY. NEXT ITEM WOULD BE CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION OF 57 20 25 APPOINTING MEMBERS TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. AND IT WOULD BE CITY OF CL RESOLUTION NUMBER 57 DASH 2025 APPOINTING MEMBERS TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION BOARD OF DIRECTORS. WHEREAS CA CITY COUNCIL SHALL APPOINT MEMBERS TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND WHEREAS EACH DIRECTOR SHALL SERVE A TERM OF TWO YEARS OR UNTIL HIS OR HER SUCCESSOR APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, UNLESS SUCH DIRECTOR HAS BEEN APPOINTED TO FILL AN UNEXPIRED TERM, IN WHICH CASE DETERMINED THE DIRECTOR SHALL EXPIRE ON THE EXPIRATION DATE OF THE TERM OF THE DIRECTOR WHOSE POSITION HE OR SHE WAS APPOINTED TO FILL. WHEREAS POSITION ONE, THREE AND SEVEN EXPIRE IN OCTOBER, 2025 AND CITY COUNCIL WISHES TO REAPPOINT THE CURRENT MEMBERS TO THE EXPIRING POSITIONS AT THIS TIME. NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF PLU BRAZO COUNTY, TEXAS. FIRST THE CAL SHIFFLET IS HEREBY REAPPOINTED TO FIELD POSITION ONE WHICH EXPIRES IN OCTOBER, 2027 AND SECOND THAT KENNY BURNER IS HEREBY REAPPOINTED TO FIELD POSITION THREE, WHICH EXPIRES IN OCTOBER 20, 27 AND THIRD THAT SCOTT FERRY IS HEREBY REAPPOINTED TO FIELD POSITION SEVEN, WHICH EXPIRES IN OCTOBER 27TH AND FOURTH THAT THIS RESOLUTION AFTER EXECUTION THAT TESTATION SHALL BE MAINTAINED IN THE PERMANENT RECORDS. CITY TEXAS READ PASS APPROVED THIS 23RD DAY OF OCTOBER, 2025 AD SIGNED BY MYSELF ATTESTED BY ROSE EMPLOYMENT CITY CLERK I THE MOTION. MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN AGUILAR, SECONDED BY I'LL SECOND COUNCIL FIRST BOND DISCUSSION. THEY KNOW SIGNED UP AGAIN . THEY DID. OH YEAH. WERE THEY VOLUNTOLD OR THEY THEY NO, THEY, THEY WELL I HAVE BEEN THEY WERE WILLING VOLUNTEERS ALL THE WAY. THEY WERE ALL ASKED I'M SURE. YEAH. HEARING NONE I'LL ENTERTAIN A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. NEXT OUT CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTS TO APPOINT TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 58 20 25 APPOINTED A REPRESENTATIVE IN ONE ALTERNATE TO H D'S 2026 GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND IT WOULD BE CITY OF CLUE RESOLUTION NUMBER 58 DASH 2025 DESTINATION OF REPRESENTATIVE AND ALTERNATE HOUSTON GALVESTON AREA COUNCIL 2026 GENERAL ASSEMBLY BE [01:35:01] RESOLVED BY THE BARRIER CITY COUNCIL OF CITY OF CL, TEXAS THAT BLANK. B AND IS HEREBY DESIGNATED AS REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE HOUSTON GALVESTON COUNCIL FOR THE YEAR 2026. FURTHER, THAT THE OFFICIAL ALTERNATE AUTHORIZED TO SERVE AS THE VOTING REPRESENTATIVE SHALL BE, SHOULD, SHOULD THE HEARING ABOVE NAMED REPRESENTATIVE BECOME ELIGIBLE OR SHOULD HE OR SHE RESIGN IS BLANK. AND THAT THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE HOUSTON AREA GAPS COUNCIL BE NOTIFIED OF THE DESIGNATION OF THE HEARING ABOVE NAMED REPRESENTATIVE AND ALTERNATE PAST. ADOPTED THIS 23RD DAY OF OCTOBER, 2025 APPROVED BY MYSELF AND ATTESTED BY ROSA APPOINTMENT CITY CLERK TYPICALLY IN THE PAST HAS BEEN THE MAYOR AND THE MAYOR PRO TIM. SOUNDS GOOD. SOUNDS WONDERFUL. IS THAT A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION. I'M SORRY. SO YOU MAKE A MOTION THAT RESOLUTION 58 20 25 BE PASSED AND THE NAMES INSTALL THE MAYOR AND THE MAYOR PRO TEAM. I GUESS THAT MEANS I SECONDED. AND SECOND BY COUNCIL PER OF ALL DISCUSSION. HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU GENTLEMEN. I'VE BEEN MARRIED OUTTA THIS MEETING, HUH? SAID HAVE YOU EVER MISSED A MEETING, PLEASE? HGAC? YES, I'VE, BECAUSE MOST OF THE TIME THEY HAVE THOSE IN DOWNTOWN HOUSTON. HAD ONE TUESDAY. HUH? HAD ONE TUESDAY. YEAH. YEAH, I WAS THERE. NEXT ITEM [V. CLOSED EXECUTIVE SESSION ] WOULD BE A CLOSED EXECUTIVE SESSION. CLOSED EXECUTIVE SESSION AS AUTHORIZED BY THE TEXAS O MEETING ACT. SECTION 5 5 1 0.071. GOVERNOR CODE CONSULTATION WITH CITY ATTORNEY ATTORNEY PENDING OR CON CONTEMPLATED LITIGATION SETTLEMENT OFFICER OR ANOTHER MATTER WHICH IS DUTY TO THE CITY COUNCIL UNDER THE RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT OF THE STATE OF TEXAS CLEARLY CONFLICT WITH CHAPTER FIVE FIVE. ONE. GOVERNMENT CODE TO WITH STATUS OF WASTE CONNECTIONS, LITIGATION, WE WILL RETIRE TO EXECUTIVE SESSION. MAYOR, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO COME BACK. HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL NLAR TO COME BACK INTO OPEN SESSION. I'LL SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCIL PERSON. VAUGHN. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. UNANIMOUS. WE'RE BACK IN OPEN SESSION. NEXT ITEM. ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION. NO ACTION TAKEN THIS EVENING. UH, AND NOTICE AND ANNOUNCEMENTS [VI. NoticeE/ANNOUNCEMENT OF UPCOMING EVENTS AND MEETINGS ] OF UPCOMING EVENTS AND MEETINGS, FOOD TACULAR DRIVE THROUGH TRUNK OR TRICK OR TREE, MUNICIPAL PARK, THURSDAY, OCTOBER 30TH, 2025 AT 5:30 PM ELECTION DAY IS TUESDAY, NOVEMBER THE FOURTH, 2025 AT THE EVENT CENTER. SEVEN TO SEVEN VETERAN'S DAY IS TUESDAY, NOVEMBER THE 11TH, 2025. CITY HOLIDAY, JOINT PUBLIC HEARING AND REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING. NOVEMBER THE 13TH, 2025 AT 7:00 PM EMPLOYEE THANKSGIVING LUNCHEON WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER THE 19TH, 2025 AT 12 AT THE INCLUDE EVENT CENTER. CITY OF INCLUDE IS HOSTED THE BCCA DINNER WEDNESDAY EVENING, NOVEMBER THE 19TH, 2025 AT THE INCLUDE EVENT CENTER AND THEN A TENTATIVE JOINT PUBLIC HEARING IN REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING THURSDAY, DECEMBER THE 11TH, 2025 7:00 PM AND THE NEXT ITEM WILL BE ADJOURN. SO MOVED. I'LL SECOND. MOVED BY COUNCIL CHRIS SECOND BY COUNCIL AGUILAR PENDING. NO DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. AYE. MEETING ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.