[I. COMMENCEMENT]
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IS HERE THAT THE FLUENCY COUNSEL AND THE PARKVIEW DRIVE, TEXAS YOUR PROPERTY DELIBERATION.
PRIOR PUBLIC COMMUNIST HEARING RECORDING OF THE VIDEO.
HAS WE COME TONIGHT OR ASK THAT YOU BE WITH US TONIGHT? ORDER AND MAKE DECISION, OR WE ASK THAT YOU AND WE ASK THAT YOU OF US, COLUMBUS, TONIGHT, LORD, AND UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
AND TWO, THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY, JUSTICE FOR ALL.
PRESENT TO ORDER OF GERALD KENNY.
WE A PERSON THAT HAS STEPPED UP AND VOLUNTEERED TO, UH, POSITION AND THE FIRST ITEM IS CONSIDERATION.
[II. CITY COUNCIL MEMBER APPOINTMENT]
POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING COUNCIL RESOLUTION 43.WHERE THE CITY, THE HOME RULE CITY AND THE HOMEROOM MUNICIPALITY.
THE PROVIDE CITY, CITY COUNCIL DAYS.
ERIC WAS TO THE OFFICE OF COUNCIL.
BILL FIRST MADE SUCH OFFICE BECAME VACANT WHERE DISTRICT VACATED UPON EFFECTIVE DATE OF 31ST 20, 26TH.
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APPLICATION.NOW THEREFORE WE REV SOME COUNCIL CITY THROUGH TEXAS FIRST COUNCIL.
THE CITY FINDS THE FACT DECIDED THE PRE SECOND AFTER ADOPTION.
CHRIS, DO I HAVE A SECOND DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.
THE NEXT ITEM WOULD BE ADMINISTRATOR.
STATEMENT OF OFFICER NOTES OF OFFICE TO THE DUTY APPOINTED CITY COUNCIL.
DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR NOR AFFIRM OR AFFIRM THAT I HAVE NOT DIRECTLY HAVE.
ANY MONEY, ANY MONEY OR VALUE OR PROMISE? ANY PUBLIC OFFICE OR PROMISE.
PUBLIC OFFICE OR EMPLOYMENT? EMPLOYMENT.
AT THE ELECTION OF WHICH I WAS ELECTED THE VOTE WHICH I ELECTED, OR A, AS A REWARD.
CONFIRMATION, CONFIRMATION OBJECT.
THE CASE MAY BE, WHICHEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
DO THOSE ALL I SOLE SWEAR OR AFFIRM, SOLE SWEAR AFFIRM THAT I'LL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE, UH, FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE, THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE COUNCIL WARD B.
COUNCIL WARD B FOR THE CITY, TEXAS, TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY TO BEST CONSTITUTION AND CONSTITUTION THE LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES, LAW OF THE UNITED STATES AND IN THIS STATE OF TEXAS, IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.
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NOW[III. JOINT PUBLIC HEARING-REPLAT-818 BROCKMAN STREET]
AND REQUIREMENTS 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY.THIS NOTICE, NOTICE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE COUNTY TEXAS LOCATED, DRIVE TEXAS.
AT WHICH TIME? PLACE SECTION FOLLOW PROPERTY.
AND NEXT ITEM WOULD BE THE NOTE TO AFFIDAVIT.
AND IT WAS THROUGH ON AUGUST THE SEVENTH.
AND THEN THE NEXT ITEM IS LIST ORDERS NOTIFIED BY MAIL 24.
ITEM MEASURE RETURNER ITEM THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION.
SO NEXT, IF I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR, OH, JUST I HAVE, I'M JUST SPLITING TO TRY TO SELL THOSE TWO.
DO YOU LIVE AT THAT ONE WITH THE HOUSE? I DID.
THE PLAN IS TO RENT THAT HOUSE AFTER OUR
SO THAT WHAT? IT'S ONE BIG PIECE OF LAND RIGHT NOW.
A HOUSE IS ON ONE SIDE AND THE OTHER SIDE.
SO WE DO, WE'RE DOING IT'S THREE SEPARATE.
THREE SEPARATE WITH THE HOUSE.
YEAH, THE HOUSE WILL BE ONLINE AND THEN IT'S GONNA BE TWO SEPARATE LOTS.
THIS, THIS FEEDS UNDER THE STANDARD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? NEXT ITEM.
HEARING NONE YOU HAVE YOU GOT A COMMENT? QUESTIONS NEXT TIME WILL BE CLOSED.
AND HERE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR PLANNING ZONING.
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THE RECOMMENDATION FORWARD TO THE MOTION MADE.THE ITEM WOULD BE CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTIONS.
COUNSEL TO APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE COMMISSION.
YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FROM ZONING THAT THIS BE, UH, GIVEN OR BE APPROVED.
[IV. ADJOURN JOINT PUBLIC HEARING]
FOR PLAINTIFF, THE ZONING COMMISSION TO ADUR.WE WILL NOW ADUR THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE INTO THE REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING.
[VI. CONSENT AGENDA]
THE CODE FIRE RECORDS.SO I SECOND, I'LL SECOND BE REMOVED.
I WANT REMOVE THE, UH, PARTS OF RECREATION, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T HERE TONIGHT.
SO I'LL, I'LL JUST GET WITH HIM THE OTHER ONE.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR DISCUSSIONS? NEXT ONE
[VII. BUSINESS ITEMS]
IS THE BUSINESS ITEM.THE FIRST ITEM IS CONSIDERATION RESOLUTION 44 20 SIXTH.
MODIFY TERMINATION TO INCLUDE IT WOULD BE SOLUTION RESOLUTION OF CITY COUNCIL.
LAND OFFICE LO HAD BEEN GRANT CONTRACT NUMBER EIGHT.
SO FOR COUNCIL'S CERTIFICATION, UH, ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE HAVING TO ABANDON THE HAZARD.
HAZARD MITIGATION GRANT PROJECT.
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PHASES.PHASE ONE WAS
WHAT TURNED INTO PIN MONEY PHASE ONE, WHICH WOULD IMPROVED THE DRAINAGE FROM DIXIE ALONG PLANTATION BACK TOWARDS, UH, THE PIN MONEY USAGE SYSTEM AND ALSO THE CULVERTS UNDERNEATH PLANTATION DRIVE CONNECTED TO THAT CHANNEL.
SO, UH, BECAUSE WE HAD A, UH, CORPORATE PARTNER THAT HAS A PIPELINE THAT LIES WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY OF FLAG LAKE DITCH AND THEY REFUSED TO MOVE THE RELOCATE THE PIPELINE AT TIME, MAN, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO MEET THE CONSTRUCTION GUIDELINES OF THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT.
AND, UH, THROUGH A SERIES OF DISCUSSIONS WITH GLO OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS, UH, THEY RECOMMENDED THAT WE TAKE THIS COURSE OF ACTION.
SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS FOLD THE ORIGINAL HEAD PHASE ONE INTO THE MID PROJECT, WHICH IS SUBSEQUENT 5 0 3, UH, FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS THERE ALONG PLANTATION AND WE'LL DRIVE AND THAT CONTRACT, UH, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT GL WAS GONNA MAKE THE CITY HOLD FOR THE EXPENSES WE HAD INCURRED PRIOR TO THIS POINT.
UH, AND MOVING THE PAYMENT ON THE, UH, ENGINEERING STUDIES AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL WORK THAT WAS DONE ALONG LAKE DRIVE TO MAKE THE CITY HOLD COVER A LOT OF WHAT HAPPENED WAS DURING ALL THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE, YOU TOOK THE COMPANY MOVING THEIRS, THEIR PROBLEM HERE, THEIR SURFACE TO GET IT CORRECTLY, TIME BASICALLY EXPIRED ON THE CONTRACT, WHICH LEFT US ONLY FOUR MONTHS TO TRY TO DO ANYTHING AND IT JUST WASN'T ENOUGH TIME TO FULFILL THE CONTRACT.
THE NEGOTIATIONS DEALING WITH WHERE, WHERE WE ARE ALL NEGOTIATIONS PRIOR TO THAT.
YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT DOING THIS AS YES.
WELL I THINK THAT WE WERE IN DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY OF THE TAMPA RIGHT NOW TO MAYBE FILE SOMETHING JOINTLY TO DO TO DO THAT AND POSSIBLY HAVE A LITTLE MORE STRENGTH IN NUMBERS.
YEAH, THE, UH, THE MIGHT HAVE THAT'S BEING PULLED BACK WAS GONNA BE A RE LET IN OCTOBER UNDER THE, AND THEY'VE GOT ANOTHER ACRONYM FOR, AND I CAN'T RECALL IT, BUT BASICALLY THE POOL CASH THAT THEY PULLED BACK FROM ONE BAY UNDER AND ABLE TO COMPLETE ON TIME ARE GONNA BE PULLED.
AND SO, UH, WE'RE TALKING WITH LAKE JACKSON ABOUT COOPERATING ON THE APPLICATIONS AND
UH, I THINK THAT, UH, THE PIPELINE COMPANY'S STANCE WAS THAT THEY DIDN'T NEED TO MOVE BECAUSE WE HAD TECHNICALLY THEY FELT LIKE THEY WEREN'T REQUIRED TO.
WE TRIED TO ARGUE THAT WE COULD, WE WERE GONNA BE BO DOWN LAWSUITS BY THE TIME, UH, BY TIME WE GOT THEM TO AGREEMENT.
SO THEY WILL THIS MONEY, THEY MONEY DOESN'T GUARANTEE THEY WILL BE, GET REAPPLY FROM THE BUILDING AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN IF WE REAPPLY JOINT MAY HAVE.
SO YOU MOTION TO DO THIS? YES.
SO MOVE BY CAPTAIN CHRIS, DO I HAVE SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
NOT P MATTER SECOND OF JUSTICE.
UNANIM, THANK NEXT ITEM WOULD BE THE CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 45 ITEM THE PROPERTY LOCATED AND IT WOULD BE 45 SIXTH RESOLUTION COUNCIL CITY OF THE PROPERTY, LOCATED AT EIGHT 18 ROCKTON STREET, TEXAS, WHERE THE CITY ION CITY COUNCIL HAS AUTHORITY, DENY
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DO CONSIDERATION AND DISCUSSING PLANNING RECOMMENDED CIVIL REQUEST.THE CITY COUNCIL REQUEST REQUIREMENTS NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED.
CITY COUNCIL TO INCLUDE TEXAS.
THAT SECTION ONE CITY COUNCIL PROVES AND REQUEST TO PROPERTY LOCATED AT 18 ROCK STREET FROM TEXAS.
SECTION TWO, EFFECTIVE DATE RESOLUTION REGULATIONS, REQUIREMENTS MATTER ESTABL TAKE EFFECT BEING FULL FORCE AND EFFECTIVE ON THE DAY PASSAGE UPON EXECUTED BY THE VARIOUS CITY SECRETARY IS SET BELOW IN SECTION THREE.
PROPER NOTICE MEETING IS BY THE MEETING COUNCIL OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND THE PUBLIC NOTICE AT THE TIME, PLACE THE PURPOSE PEOPLE WAS GIVEN A READ ACT CODE FIVE ONE AND ADOPTED THE 27TH DAY OF AUGUST, 2020 SIXTH.
SIGNED BY I WOULD CONSIDER A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 45 AT 2026 SUB DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
NEXT ITEM, CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO ADOPT ROOF FROM 11 REQUIRED ALL POOLS OF FILED ON THE PREMISES OF MULTIFAMILY AND HOTELS TO A UNDERGO IN B.
FEES NUMBER OH ONE ONE DASH 2 0 2 6.
TEXAS TWO, ARTICLE NINE 20 CODE ADDING SECTIONS 22 3 3 20 PRECINCT FIVE.
PROVIDING FOR ANNUAL SWIMMING POOL AND SPOT INSPECTIONS FOR BOTH WELDING AND HOTELS.
PROVIDING FOR A PENALTY, PROVIDING FOR A SEPARATE FILE, PROVIDING FOR SAFETY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND PROVIDING FOR A PROPER NOTICE.
I TO CHIEF ON THIS ONE, UH, SINCE YOU DRAFTED THE CODE AS AS CODE HEALTH IS, UH, REALLY STARTING TO PICK UP THE SCENE, WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THE ORDINANCES AND FINDING SOME HOLES THAT WE JUST KIND OF NEED TO FILL IN.
UM, ONE OF THOSE IS THAT WHERE THE CURRENT ORDINANCE SAYS THAT PEOPLE MUST BUY, ABIDE, ABIDE THE INTERNATIONAL POOL CODE, BUT THERE IS NOTHING THERE TO WHERE, WHERE WE CAN GO TO, UM, AND, AND GO TO THESE PLACES AND INSPECT THE POOLS.
UM, THEY HAVE THE CODE ENFORCEMENT, UH, HAVE TO BE A CERTIFIED POOL INSPECTOR, BUT THIS WILL GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY, IT WILL MANDATE THAT THEY HAVE THE POOLS INSPECTED.
LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO WE HAD A YO A LOCAL ESTABLISHMENT THAT THE POOL WAS NOWHERE CLOSE TO UP TO CODE AND WE HAD A NEAR DROWNING.
LUCKILY, UH, BETWEEN THE OFFICERS AND, AND EMS, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO SAVE THE LITTLE GIRL'S LIFE.
UH, BUT WE WANTED MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.
NOW, JUST SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS, THIS IS FOR APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND HOTELS, NOT PRIVATE POOLS, BUT, UH, JUST APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND HOTELS.
DID I HEAR RIGHT THAT THIS WE'RE NOT GOING DO IN SPACE? ARE ARE GUYS BEEN REQUIRED TO HAVE YEAH, NO, WE WILL, WE WILL GO INSPECT THEM.
SOMEONE, SOMEONE IN OUR DEPARTMENT.
IN YOUR DEPARTMENT GONNA GET CERTIFIED, CORRECT.
THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE THE FEE COMES IN FOR EACH ONE OF THESE, UM, BUSINESSES TO PAY THE CITY FOR SET INSPECTION AND HAVE HIM SIGN OFF ON.
SO WE, WE WANT SEND MORE OF OUR CODE FOR HIM YES.
AND THIS WOULD BE DONE ANNUALLY? YES.
PROBABLY EARLY SPRING, UH, YOU KNOW, RIGHT BEFORE POOL SEASON BASICALLY.
UM, THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE MANDATED TO NOTIFY US, SET UP THOSE INSPECTIONS AND THEN
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MY FOLKS AND WEATHER AND DO THOSE INSPECTIONS.HOW MANY POOL DO YOU THINK WE HAVE? I THINK I COUNTED NINE.
YEAH, IT'S SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT.
I WAS WONDER, I WAS THINKING THERE WAS, WELL NEVER MAY BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE, I MEAN, BETWEEN THE HOTELS AND THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES, THERE MAY BE MORE THAN THAT, BUT NOT SO MANY THAT WE, THAT IT COULD INVOLVE END THE SPRING.
NO, I DON'T KNOW WHY I WAS THINKING GRAND A LOT MORE, I THINK MORE A COMPLEX APARTMENT COMPLEX
WE'VE GOT ONE THAT HAS TWO POOL.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING AS FAR AS SOME PENALTIES FOR IDE? YES SIR.
UM, 500, $500 PER, UH, VIOLATION UP TO $2,000 MAX.
AND THIS ONE, FROM MY CURIOSITY, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD BE LOOKING AT, I MEAN, I'M SURE Y'ALL LOOKED INTO FOR SURE.
I LIKE THE, THE BIG ONE IS I, I I MEAN THEY'RE SIMPLE THINGS.
LIKE YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE THE LIFESAVER RING, YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
BUT THE ONE THAT WE WERE DEALING WITH, THERE WAS NO GATE ON THE FENCING INTO THE POOL.
SO MAKING SURE IT'S FENCED IN THAT A CHILD CAN'T GET THERE WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, THE DOORS, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S CERTAIN DISTANCES THAT THE LOCK HAS TO BE HIGH TO MAKE SURE KIDS CAN OPEN IT.
I ACTUALLY WANT THAT PERSON TO PUT UP WITH FOR AN INSURANCE COMPANY? YES.
AIR, I MEAN WATER QUALITY, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE, THERE IS TESTING ON THAT AS WELL, BUT THEY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, SOME OF THAT GOES WITH THE WEATHER.
UH, I GUESS THIS MAY BE A A TURN QUESTION, BUT ALONG WITH THESE FINES, WE HAVE GUIDELINES OR STEPS THAT LEAD TO, HEAVEN FORBID WE HAVE TO PUNISH SOMEONE, HAVE TO, UH, A STEP PROCESS OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANNA GO WRONG WITH THE SHOW.
SO I MEAN, YEAH, WE DO THAT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY THAT DOES IT.
WE TALK ABOUT IT AND WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT, AND WE'VE GOT PEOPLE RIGHT NOW, TWO YEARS OUTTA LINE THAT WE STILL DON'T HAVE IN LINE AND OTHER THINGS.
SO I HATE TO ADD SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA FOLLOW THROUGH WITH.
I WOULD THINK I HATE PUTTING JUST AS MOM WITH, WITH SMALL KIDS, THE KIDS SCREAMING THE THE POOL HAS BEEN CLOSED WITH JUST CAUTION TAPE.
NO, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT.
JUST NOT A SITUATION OF, I'M SORRY SIR, YOUR POOL'S NOT UP TO STANDARDS.
AND THEN A YEAR FROM NOW, UH, MA'AM, I'M SORRY, YOUR POOL IS STILL NOT UP TO STANDARDS AND YOU WILL NOT, YOUR POOL IS STILL NOT UP TO STANDARDS.
THAT'S AN ONGOING ISSUE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO I THINK SO, SO, SO BASICALLY THE POOL WOULD, THE POOL WOULD BE CLOSED.
THE FINES ARE GOING TO COME INTO WHERE THEY JUST DON'T GET IT INSPECTED.
SO THE NOW THEY COULD, THEY COULD BE FINED FOR ALLOWING PEOPLE TO SWIM WITH IT BEING CLOSED.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD, WE WOULD TAKE THE, THE GATES OFF.
WE WOULD NOT ALLOW ANYBODY TO SWIM IF THEY, IF IT DIDN'T PASS INSPECTION.
SEE THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THE KIDS WOULD DRIVE THE MOMS AND SAME MOM TO BE HARING ON GETTING IT INSPECTED AND OPEN FOR THEIR KIDS OR GO TO THE HOTEL AND THEIR POOL'S BEEN CLOSED.
AND THAT'S GONNA BE A BAD REVIEW.
SO THERE IS SOME LIKE INCENTIVE, I THINK, IN THE PUBLIC TO GET THE POOL UP TO STAND UP STANDARD.
I, I, I THINK THAT, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MR. CHRIS, WE WOULD FIGURE OUT A WAY I WOULD WORK WITH THE PROSECUTOR AND WE WOULD GET IT IF SOMEBODY DID ALLOW SOMEBODY TO SWIM, SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, THEN WE WOULD SET IT FOR COURT, HAVE A HEARING, AND THEN THE JUDGE COULD LEVY THOSE FILES.
AND I AGREE WITH THE WHOLE PROCESS.
AND I DON'T, I THINK, AND I HAVE DIFFERENT PAGES HERE ON WHAT I'M, I'M QUESTIONING, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT BEFORE IT COMES
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ALONG THAT WE HAVE A PROCESSING ORDER LIST, UH, WHERE, WHERE ARE TO GET SOMETHING DONE.AND I, I THINK SO, UH, THE PROSECUTOR AND I ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON THAT SAME THING FROM JUNK VEHICLES.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE NEXT TO OUR LIST, THAT STEP, THAT PROCESS OUT TO WHERE WE WOULD GET 'EM.
I KNOW YOU HAVE LIVE, SO I I'M NOT HERE.
SO THAT, THAT'S REALLY MY POINT FOR MY QUESTION.
JUST, JUST TO POINT OUT, POINT OUT FOR THE PENALTY, UH, THESE SECTIONS ARE ADDED ONTO THE, THE
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF SOMEONE, IF YOU LOOK AT 22 365 ON THE PENALTY, UH, IT HAS, UH, UH, THE MAXIMUM FINDING IS $500, UNLESS IT'S A VIOLATION THAT AFFECTS THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC.
UH, AND THEN THE MAXIMUM WOULD BE 2000.
SO LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, SOMEBODY DID NOT, UM, PAY THEIR FEE AND HAVE THEIR ANNUAL INSPECTION DONE.
OKAY, UH, THAT WOULD BE A 500 FINE.
'CAUSE THAT'S NOT A SPECIFIC HEALTH AND SAFETY VIOLATION.
RIGHT? BUT LET'S SAY THAT THE, UM, UH, DOING AN INSPECTION OR ANY TIME DURING THE YEAR, 'CAUSE THIS IS LIKE CODE ENFORCEMENT, RIGHT? THERE'S STILL SAFETY REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED, RIGHT? SO LET'S SAY SOMEBODY'S IN A HOTEL AND THEY SAY, HEY MAN, THAT GATE DOESN'T LOCK.
IT'S JUST WIDE OPEN ALL DAY AND KIDS ARE RUNNING OUT AND THEY COULD DROWN AT ANY TIME.
AND THEY CALL KOCH ENFORCEMENT AND SAY, Y'ALL NEED TO GET OUT HERE.
IT'S UNSAFE, RIGHT? THEY COULD, COKE CAN COME OUT, UH, AT ANY TIME, YOU KNOW, WITH PROBABLE CAUSE OR COMPLAINT OR WHATEVER.
AND DURING INSPECTION, IF THEY FIND A SAFETY VIOLATION, THEN THE FINE FOR THAT WOULD BE UP TO TWO, THE 2000, UH, PER OCCURRENCE.
UM, AND THEN TYPICALLY A LOT OF TIMES WITH, WITH BASIC CODE VIOLATIONS, A LOT OF TIMES THE GOAL IS COMPLIANCE.
YOU DON'T JUST WRITE A TICKET RIGHT TODAY AND SAY, HEY, YOUR GRASS ARE TOO HIGH OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE CODE VIOLATION IS, RIGHT? YOUR SIGN IS NOT THE RIGHT TIE OR SOMETHING.
YOU GO AND TALK TO PEOPLE AND SAY, HEY, CAN YOU COME INTO COMPLIANCE? AND IF THEY COME WITH COMPLIANCE, THEN YOU ACHIEVE YOUR GOAL BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET MONEY OUT OF YOU.
WE REALLY JUST WANT COMPLIANCE, RIGHT? UM, IF IT'S A
RIGHT? SO, UM, BUT JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE THIS IS INTEGRATED AS PART OF OUR ALREADY EXISTING REQUIREMENT TO COMPLY WITH THE CODE, UM, THAT'S WHY THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT LEVELS OF THE $500 VERSUS THE 200, THE $2,000 ON THE FILES.
CAN I MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT ON THAT? IN THEORY, THAT'S GREAT.
HOW MANY TICKETS DID YOU RECEIVE FROM CODE
THIS WHOLE QUESTION WE HAVE, THE STUFF WE HAVE, WE HAVE IT IN WORDED, BUT AT WHAT POINT DO WE START DOING IT? DO WE CHECK ONE? WE SPOKE WITH THEM, CHECK TWO, WE SPOKE TO THEM AGAIN, CHECK THREE, WE SENT 'EM RUSH 11, CHECK FOUR, I SPOKE TO 'EM AGAIN.
CHECK FIVE WEDNESDAY, I STILL DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT SAYS THERE'S FIVE STEPS TO GETTING A TICKET OR 10 WHATEVER, WHAT WORKS FOR YOU OR WHATEVER WORKS.
BUT UNTIL THAT, AND MAYBE IT'S A PET PEE, I'M STILL WORKING ON SOMETHING ON 18 MONTHS AND PEOPLE CAN'T SELL THEIR HOUSE TO THE NEIGHBORS NEXT DOOR HAD BEEN UP TICKET ROAD, I WENT OVER THERE MYSELF WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL ON CODE ENFORCEMENT.
I'VE BEEN BACK THREE TIMES AND NOTHING IS BEING DONE.
SO WHERE'S OUR LIST THAT GOES WITH THAT ARE ANOTHER METHOD POSSIBLY OF GIVING THE OFFICERS MAYBE, I KNOW THEY'RE BUSY TOO, BUT AT WHAT POINT DOES A TICKET GET WITH I, I MEAN, SO AGAIN, I KNOW IT'S A JUDGMENT CALL MAYBE, BUT AT A POINT I THINK WE'RE WE WE REACH PAST JUDGMENT IN THE FACTS OR AM I JUST OVERTHINKING? YEAH, SO, SO, SO THERE, THERE ABOUT, AGAIN, THERE MAIN THING IS, IS GETTING THE COMPLIANCE AND GETTING THE GRASS MOW WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, GETTING THE VEHICLES MOVED.
SO UNFORTUNATELY WE DO HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH THOSE HOOPS, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
WE, WE CAN START ISSUING CITATIONS.
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IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT GETS, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT GETS MOWED, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT GETS CLEANED UP.PART OF OUR PROBLEM IS FINDING THE RIGHT PERSON TO ISSUE A CITATION TO.
UM, AS WE'VE GOTTEN FURTHER INTO IT, THERE IS SO MANY PROPERTIES INCLUDE THAT ARE IN ESTATES AND YOU JUST, YOU SIMPLY CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHO TO DO THAT.
THERE IS A LOT OF PROPERTY THAT IS THAT WHOEVER OWNS IT DOESN'T EVEN LIVE IN CLUE.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE RUN INTO SOME OF THE CITATION ISSUES IS FINDING WHO DO WE WRITE THOSE CITATIONS TO.
SO WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO WORK WITH THE HOMEOWNERS TO, TO GET SOME OF THIS.
WE HAVE PUT MANY LIENS ON PROPERTIES WHEN WE'VE TAKEN CARE OF IT.
IT'S, IT'S A PROCESS AND, AND, AND WE'LL GET THERE, BUT IF, IF Y'ALL WANT US TO START WRITING THE CITATIONS, WE CAN START WRITING CITATIONS.
A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD TO TO MOW THEIR YARD AND NOW THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY A TICKET.
SO IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF THAT CATCH 22 OF SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, WILL THE PEOPLE LET IT GET BAD SEX? IT'S NOT GONNA FIX IT UNTIL YOU MAKE IT OR IT WOULD BE IN THAT POSITION OTHER THAN HEALTH ISSUES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, I MEAN EVEN TO THE POINT OF GOING AND MOWING SOME PEOPLE'S PROPERTY MYSELF, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE CIRCUMSTANCES LIKE YOU'RE DEALING, BUT THERE'S OTHER ONES THAT'S JUST NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING.
AND SO AT THAT POINT, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE DRAW A LINE.
I MEAN WE FINALLY DREW A LINE ON GETTING TWO TRAILER HOUSES CLEANED UP AFTER HOW MANY YEARS.
AND I KNOW MY NAME IS STILL MUD BECAUSE OF IT,
SO I JUST HATE FOR US TO ADD ANOTHER ORDINANCE AND NOT HAVE SOME MEAT TO IT OR SOME STEPS TO DO TO DONALD SAY THAT WAY.
REALLY IT TAKES, WELL, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO HELP YOU BUT UH, NUMBER FIVE SAID THIS TIME YOU, YOU TAKE YES, I UNDERSTAND.
UNDERSTAND AND THAT TAKES THE PRESSURE OFF YOU.
I I WOULD THINK TO SOME EXTENT BUT, AND YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU IN TALKING TO ORDINANCES AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN FIGHTING WITH THIS IS, IS RIGHT OF WAYS AND WHO'S RESPONSIBLE AND, AND THOSE THINGS.
SO WE WILL, WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK OUT AND WE WILL SECURE THE PROCESS A LITTLE BETTER.
I THINK, I THINK THE MAINTENANCE HERE IS IT IS THAT THE TOOLS TO
WELL, I MEAN I SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.
I DON'T SEE WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
YEAH, MAYBE THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WITHOUT THAT PAUSE IN THERE WE SURE.
AND THAT THE PROBLEM LOT OF OUR ARGUMENT I THINK WE HAD, BUT WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE AN ENFORCEMENT FOR WHATEVER REASON.
THAT YOU KIND HAVE YOUR HAND TIED.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 1 26 BY CHRIS.
THE NEXT ITEMS CONSIDERATION OF BOB TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 46 DATED 2026 SETTING POOL FIVE INSPECTION FEE AT $400 ON THE FEE AND THIS ADJUST TO THE SCHEDULE SO WE COULD LEAVE CORRECT.
AND IT WOULD BE RESOLUTION NUMBER 46 DASH 4 26, THE RESOLUTION OF CITY COUNCIL CITY INCLUDING TEXAS ADOPTING AN AMENDMENT TO THE MASTER FEE SCHEDULE TO ESTABLISH AN ANNUAL POOL INSPECTION FEE OF $400 FOR MULTIFAMILY WELDING AND HOTELS.
PROVIDING FOR SOME PROVIDED FOR EFFECTIVE DATA PROVIDED FOR A FINDING FOR PROPER NEEDS.
NOTICE CONSIDER A MOTION TO RESOLUTION SIX.
ADDING THE POOL INSPECTION, THE FEE.
I GUESS IT'S $400 COUNTY LINE PLUMBING.
THAT'S PROBABLY JUST ABOUT PHASE
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FOR TRAINING.HOW LONG BEFORE WE THIS COVER OFF? WELL WE GETTING TOWARDS THE END.
SO THIS WILL, YOU KNOW, WE'LL WE'VE GOTTA MAKE ALL THESE NOTIFICATIONS SO I WOULD ANTICIPATE NEXT SPRING THAT YOU KNOW WE'LL HAVE OUR FOLKS TRAINED.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, IF SOMEBODY CALLS A COMPLAINT, WE ARE INVESTIGATING ABSOLUTELY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND WITH NO FURTHER DISCUSSION ON UNANIM.
NEXT ITEM WOULD BE CONSIDERATION ACT TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 47 DASH 2047 APPROVING PLACEMENT AGENT AGREEMENT WITH DA DAVIDSON FOR POTENTIAL CAPITAL LEASES OF CAPITAL IN THE ENTERPRISE RESPONSE.
IT WOULD BE RESIDENCE NUMBER 47 DASH 26 RESIDENCE CITY COUNCIL CITY, TEXAS AUTHORIZED THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE PLACEMENT.
AGENT DISCLOSURE, ENGAGE THE COMPANY PURCHASED BY METER.
EQUIP DOES NOT REPLACE RC CAPITAL MARKET FINANCIAL ADVISOR BOND DEBT PROVIDING FOR FOR TERMINATION, PROVIDING FOR AVAILABILITY, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE FOR THIS IS RELATED TO THE BUDGET.
DISCUSS DISCUSSION, DISCUSSION WITH DAVIDSON ON A PURCHASE AGREEMENT AND FINANCING PACKAGE FOR THE MOMENT.
STOCK ASSOCIATED WITH THE IN TRANSITION MEETING IN SOLID WASTE.
I WENT AHEAD AND HAD HIM COST OUT VEHICLES AS I DISCUSSED IN MY BUDGET MEMO EARLIER IN THE WE, UH, TO TAKE SOME OF THE PRESSURE OFF ON 1 0 6 AND ALLOW IT TO A LITTLE BIT MORE NATURALLY, UH, IN ORDER FOR THEM TO START SHOPPING THE AND GIVE FULL QUOTE ESTIMATE ON WHAT IT WOULD COST TO LEASE THE VEHICLE LEASE PURCHASE THE VEHICLE ON A THREE FIVE YEAR.
THE, ON A 20 YEAR TERM FOR THIS IS FOR WHAT YOU MEAN? OKAY, SO IT'S TWO THINGS ON THE ENTERPRISE.
ONE, IT'S THE LEASE PURCHASE OF THE METER EQUIPMENT AND THE TRANSMISSION DECIDED THE A MI AND PROJECT AND IT'S FOR THE, IF WE PURCHASE FOR SOLID WASTE, IT'S THE NEW AUTOMATED SYSTEMS FOR SOLID WASTE.
AND THEN I ALSO WENT AHEAD AND HAD THAT PRICE IN, UH, OR SEE PRICING FOR THE POLICE VEHICLES AS WELL.
AND IT WOULD BE ON A THREE YEAR TERM SO IT WOULD NOT LIVE THE ACTUAL LIFE OF CAPITAL SIGN.
AND THIS IS FOR WATER METERS AS WELL.
WATER METERS AND THEN THE GARBAGE, GARBAGE, GARBAGE.
AND THE IDEA IS THAT YOU WOULD BE PRESERVING SOME OF THE FRONT SO WE NOT INTO THAT AND ALLOWING TO GO BACK UP.
UM, THE DEFERRALS WOULD BASICALLY ALLOW US TO PAY THE NIGHT FOR THE ACTUAL EQUIPMENT OR BEFORE THE END OF THE EQUIPMENT.
I, YEAH, I JUST HAVE AT LEAST PURCHASE.
I GET I YEAH, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT.
I'M JUST THINK MOST TROUBLE FOR HAVING WATER METER.
WE REALLY WANNA PURCHASE SOME.
WELL, I MEAN IN THEORY I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT MIGHT BE AN OPTION QUESTION.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S AN MR STILL QUESTION.
I I COUPLE THE WARRANTY BUT UH, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF WE OUT, I DON'T THEY'LL TAKE 'EM BACK OBVIOUSLY IF WE DON'T MAKE PAYMENT.
BUT WARRANT, THAT'S JUST WHAT CALL AND WE COULD, WE'RE STILL WAITING ON A RESPONSE FROM RBC.
THEY'RE TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT'S THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE WAY TO PUT THE LEAST CASH PRESSURE ON THE CITY.
THIS IS JUST, ITS NOT CONTRACT, CORRECT? IT'S NOT
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A CONTRACT.THIS IS, WE TERMINATE TELL WE DON'T HAVE, BUT THIS IS THIS ACTUAL PRICING BECAUSE I WON'T WORK IN FRONT THIS POINT.
WELL I GUESS I'LL MAKE A MOTION GOING.
THANK COUNCIL FURTHER DISCUSSION.
UH, THIS RESOLUTION, IT SAYS LIKE THE 1.5% OF A FAR AMOUNT OF, UH, PUT THAT LAY TERM FOR ME.
SO BASICALLY THE PRIOR AGREEMENT IS WHAT IT COST TO ISSUE.
AND SO DEPENDING ON WHAT COST WE GET BACK, THEY GIVE 1.5% OF THAT TRANSACTIONAL COST.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE PAYING A, A CHECK DIRECT DATE BEFORE WE DO OUR DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT.
THAT'S WHEN THEY'LL COLLECT THEIR FEE.
JEFF QUESTIONS COMMON WATER METER SPEED.
AND THIS IS ONLY, THIS IS ONLY FOR THE WASTE FOR TRUCKS AND THE WATER VEHICLE.
I INCLUDE THE POLICE VEHICLES IN THERE AS WELL TO KEEP THE PRESSURE OFF 1 0 6.
SO INSTEAD OF PAYING FOR OUT 1 0 6, WE WOULD PULL THAT INTO THIS NOTE.
BUT THERE'LL BE TWO SEPARATE INSTRUMENTS.
THERE'LL BE ONE THREE YEAR INSTRUMENT ON THE VEHICLES AND THE BROKEN SIDE.
AND THEN ANOTHER INSTRUMENT FOR THE WATER.
I'M JUST LOOKING TO MAKE SURE.
NO FURTHER DISCUSSION ON, ON THE AYE.
THEN THE NEXT ITEM WOULD BE TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER OFF ELECTION REGARDING THE PLANNING OF ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION.
RECOMMENDATION TO SCHEDULE A JOINT PUBLIC HEARING FOR A SPECIFIC PERMIT TO ALLOW A CHURCH NOTHING RESALE.
SHOP PROPERTY LOCATED PLANTATION DRIVE.
2020 AT 7:00 PM DID YOU THE YES.
I HAVE TO APPROVE JUDGE JOINT HEARING FOR 30 24.
I'LL MAKE A ONE BY COUNCIL SECOND.
COUNCIL DISCUSS HEARING NONE VOTE.
SO THE NEXT ITEM IS DISCUSSION OF FISCAL 2027.
I KNOW THAT THERE BEEN ED AGAIN AND ED AGAIN.
WE FINALLY GOT THE HEALTH INSURANCE PREMIUM BACK DOWN.
UH, BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD WILL BE THE CONTINUED CARRIER.
UM, ADDITIONAL FOCUS RATE INCREASE 25%.
WE'VE GOT THAT 10%, UH, WHICH COMPARED TO SOME OF WHAT I'M HEARING FROM OUR SISTER CITIES IS ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD DEAL, WHICH STILL SEEMS LIKE A HARD DEAL FOR US.
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IN ADDITION TO THE INSURANCE RENEWAL, UH, THE MODEL WE HAD BEFORE YOU, UM, BASICALLY WE TOOK, IT TOOK A LOOK AT THE OVERTIME.WE PULLED THE NUMBER DOWN FROM THE, UH, WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED THAT THE FIVE 50 DOWN TO THE SEVEN YEAR MEETING OF MEDIAN, WHICH I THINK PULLING DOWN
CHIEF'S TALKED TO HIS FOLKS, UH, CHIEF'S TALKING TO HIS FOLKS ABOUT WAYS ADVANTAGE OF THAT, UH, AND TRY TO BRING IT DOWN.
UM, AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'VE GOT THE, THE BIG QUESTION, WHICH IS THE SOLID WAYS, UH, AS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED AND THE FREQUENCY.
UM, WE BOTTLED IT DOWN IN THE MASS MODEL.
I THINK WE HAD FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT OPTIONS, TWO OUTSOURCE OPTIONS, UH, TWO TIMES A WEEK AUTOMATED, ONE TIME A WEEK AUTOMATED, UM, STATUS QUO.
AND THEN ALSO, UH, IF WE GOT RID OF COMMERCIAL GOING ON ON RESIDENTIAL, THE REALITY IS THAT WE, BEFORE, BEFORE WENT THE COMMERCIAL COLLECTION, WE NEED LOSING ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS IN YEAR REVENUE.
SO WE CAN'T AFFORD TO DO THAT.
UM, THE OUTSOURCING I DON'T THINK IS DIRECTLY, UH, POPULAR WITH COUNCIL AND QUITE FRANKLY, ONCE WE GET RID OF IT, IT DOESN'T COME BACK.
SO THE MODELS YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, THAT'LL INCLUDE IN YOUR PACKET, UH, LOOK AT AN AUTOMATED COLLECTION OF ONE OR TWO TIMES PER PER PER WEEK.
UH, JOHN AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON A SERVICE DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WOULD INCLUDE, UH, CONTINUATION OF ONE REAR LOAD TRUCK ALONG WITH THE NEW AUTOMATED EQUIPMENT, UH, FOR THOSE STREETS THAT HAVE BEEN IN.
UM, AND THEN THE ELIMINATION OF THE HEAVY DEBRIS AND TRASH PICKUP.
UM, WITH A SMALL, AND I MEAN VERY SMALL AMOUNT COMPARED TO WHAT WE CURRENTLY COLLECT IN TERMS OF DEBRIS RUBBISH, UH, ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR AT AN ANNUAL PICKUP SITE AS OPPOSED TO THE WEEKLY PICKUP THAT WE'RE DOING NOW, THAT'S COSTING US SIGNIFICANTLY.
SO, UM, IF YOU GO THROUGH THE MODELS, WE DO NOTHING WITH SOLID WASTE.
WE'LL HAVE RUN OUT $1.9 MILLION OUT OF GENERAL FUND RESERVES.
UH, IF EVERYTHING GOES THROUGH THE FORM, THE BUDGET, IF WE GIVE A TWO TIMES COLLECTION, THAT NUMBER DROPS DOWN TO $858,000 DROP.
NOW, I WANNA GIVE MY DEPARTMENT HEADS A LOT OF CREDIT.
THEY ALWAYS TRY TO COME IN UNDER, THEY WANNA DO THEIR BEST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT BROUGHT OVER BUDGET.
BUT THE REALITY IS, IS WE HAVE A SUSTAINABILITY ISSUE IN THIS, IN THIS COMMUNITY.
UH, THE LACK OF ABILITY GENERATE REVENUE.
UH, SINCE 2020 OUR COST HAVE INCREASED 50 56 0.9% AND OUR ABILITY TO GENERATE REVENUE HAS ONLY GONE UP 27%.
SO THAT'S A 19% GAP THAT HAS TO BE CLOSED.
AND SO WE HAVE A CHOICE BEFORE US.
OBVIOUSLY IF WE OUTSOURCE, WE WOULD MAKE MORE MONEY, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHERE THE COMMUNITY OR THE COUNCIL'S HARDEST.
SO I PULLED THOSE OUT, PULLED THOSE OUT OF THE BUDGET, AND COUNCIL WANTS ME TO PUT THOSE BACK IN FOR CONSIDERATION.
YOU'LL NEVER GET IT BACK HERE AT THE MERCY.
WE, WE SO ASSUME THAT WE GONNA WRITE A TIGHTER CONTRACT, INCREASE THE, SO DID YOU SAY THE HEAVY TRASH PICKUP WOULD BE JUST TWICE A YEAR? WE WOULD DO COMMUNITY, UH, COLLECTION POINTS TWICE A YEAR.
THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT, UH, ONCE WE HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT IS ASTRONOMICAL.
WE ALMOST TRIPLE OUR ANNUAL IN HEAVY HEAVY BRUSH.
HOW MANY, HOW MANY DIFFERENT? BECAUSE MY FEAR IS LIKE BIG LIMBS AND STUFF THAT ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE FEMA.
JUST TRIMMING YOUR TREES AND YOU AS I FOUND OUT AS A LOG AND, AND MOVING IT FROM MY PROPERTY TO SAY MAIN STREET.
I MEAN THAT'S, AND I ONLY HAVE A FOUR DOOR DAUGHTER, SO I'M LIKE, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING OF IS HOW MANY ARE LIKE A LOT? LIKE EACH NEIGHBORHOOD HAS SOMETHING OR ARE WE TALKING EVERY THREE NEIGHBORHOODS HAS ONE SPOT? I WHAT I
SO FIVE EACH HAD A CENTRALIZED COLLECTION WE COULD REMODEL THE OTHER WAY.
IF WE WERE TO COLLECT, JUST TO GIVE Y'ALL AN IDEA, WE'D HAVE TO THREAT TO TAKE OFF THE AMOUNT OF DEBRIS AND HEAVY TRAPS THAT WE TAKE OUT PER YEAR.
782 40 YARD DUMPSTERS WORTH EVERY YEAR IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN
AND THAT'S NOT INCLUDING STORM DEBRIS, THAT IS JUST WHAT WE COLLECT.
AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AROUND THE COMMUNITY, WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS THIS FOLKS ARE ACTUALLY BRINGING DEBRIS.
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SO WHEN YOU LOOK AROUND THE COMMUNITY, WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS THIS FOLKS ARE ACTUALLY BRINGING DEBRIS AND HEAVY OBJECTS TO THE COMMUNITY TO SET ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD BECAUSE THEY KNOW WE'LL COLLECT IT.IS THAT CONSTRUCTION STUFF LIKE SHINGLES AND SOME OF IT'S CONSTRUC, SOME OF IT'S, YOU SEE A LOT OF MATTRESSES, A LOT OF SOFAS, A LOT OF SHARES.
YOU NAME IT, IT'S, IT, IT'S PUT BY THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.
THERE'S A LOCATION, I'M NOT GONNA NAME THE INTERSECTION THAT YOU WILL REGULARLY FIND.
I'M PRETTY SURE THAT THEY WORK AT A FURNITURE STORE OR A RENTAL PLACE OR WHATEVER GETS TURNED BACK IN THAT ISN'T GOOD.
THE EMPLOYEES TO BE TAKEN OUT BY US RATHER THAN TAKEN CARE OF BY THE COMPANY THAT ACTUALLY
AND THE MONTHLY REPORT THERE WAS 2,209 CUBIC YARDS OF HEAVY HAUL VERSUS 936 CUBIC YARDS AND JUST RESIDENTIAL STUFF.
SO I'VE SEEN THE SAME THING THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE SEE IS AS SOON AS THEY COME BY AND PICK IT UP, SOMEBODY BACKS UP THERE AND START STUFFING IT AGAIN.
AND SO WE'RE PAYING SYSTEMS INCLUDED ARE PAYING TO HAUL OFF CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL.
PEOPLE GOT, UH, TREE SERVICES OR BRANCHES STUFF OVER.
I DON'T, I'M, I'M NOT LIKING IT, BUT I THINK IT'S TO A POINT THAT WE, WE GOT WORKING, DOING SOMETHING BECAUSE IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO ENFORCE AND I'S THOUGHT WE WEREN'T PICKING UP CONSTRUCTION STEPHANIE ANYMORE.
WE CHARGED FOR WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED UP.
BUT IT, IT'S THERE LONG ENOUGH AND THEN WE END UP HAVING PICK IT UP.
ONCE IT'S DONE, UH, IT, IT MIGHT BE DUMPED IN A VACANT HOUSE AND THE PERSON THAT DUMP IT, I, I HAVE NO ASSOCIATION WITH THAT HOUSE.
SO IT IS HARD TO, IT IS SORT OF LIKE, AND LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ENFORCING THESE HIGH GRASS ON PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT YOU CAN'T FIND, DO ALL THIS GRASS.
I MEAN IT, IT'S A TOUGH DEAL IF WE HAVE COMMON DUMP AREAS.
IS THERE ANY WAY TO DO SOME POLICING AS FAR AS CAMERAS AND STUFF? NOT HAVING A, A HUMAN BEING THERE, BUT CAMERAS TO WELL, YOU CAN PUT A NICE PLATE THERE FOR SURE.
I TELL YOU, EVEN LIKE JACKSON I TALKING WITH TRYING TO MAKE A CHANGE TO THEIR SYSTEM BECAUSE THEY'RE SO ABUSE.
GET THEIR UNCLE'S WATER BILL AND GO DUMP THEIR STUFF FROM WEST COLUMBIA
BUT THAT'S A, THAT'S A BIG PART OF THE BUDGET AND EVERYTHING.
THAT'S, THAT'S BIG MONEY THERE.
I MEAN YOU HAD HAD MORE HEAVY, HEAVY PICKUP THAN YOU DID RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PICKUP.
BUT EACH ONE OF THEM AND IT'S, I DON'T KNOW, I I'M STRUGGLING WITH DOING AWAY WITH IT.
I'M WONDERING HOW HOW WE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE RISE AND PUT AWAY EVERYTHING IS HOW YOU CAN AFFORD TO CONTINUE PAYING IT WITHOUT GOING UP EXTREMELY HIGH ON YOUR, YOUR TRASH PICKUP.
BUT IF IT'S ILLEGAL DUMP, NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, IT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO HAPPEN UNLESS, WELL, BUT I THINK, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S A METHOD THAT MAY CODE ENFORCEMENT ALSO BE IF WE'RE NOT PROVIDING THE SERVICE FREE, IF IT'S DONE, WE'RE NO LONGER PROVIDING THE SERVICE.
I DON'T THINK YOU'LL SEE AS MUCH ON THE STREET BECAUSE FOLKS AT THAT POINT THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY.
SO TO IT OFF THE ENFORCEMENT PART IS TOUGH BECAUSE OF WHAT IS BEING DUMPED.
IF THEY WERE DUMPED IN TRASH BAGS AND WE'VE HAD, I I'M GIVING MY FOLKS CREDIT, WE HAVE GONE THROUGH TRASH BAGS AND FOUND MAIL TO FIND OUT.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TIRES, MATTRESSES, THOSE THINGS, UNLESS YOU HAPPEN TO SEE THEM IN THE RIGHT PLACE, RIGHT TIME AND IF THEY SEE YOU, THEY'RE NOT GONNA DUMP IT.
IT'S JUST, YOU'VE GOTTA BE IN THE RIGHT PLACE AT THE RIGHT TIME TO CATCH THEM TO ENFORCE IT.
IS THAT THE MAJORITY OF WHAT WE'RE PICKING UP OF? NO, I, I THINK OVER 2000 SQUARE FEET, I THINK YOU'VE GOT, I THINK THERE'S TWO THINGS GOING ON.
A YOU'VE GOT SCREEN DEVICE BECAUSE THE CITY PROVIDES THE SERVICE FOR YOUR CHARGE.
SO FOLKS FEEL COMFORTABLE AND THINK THAT THEY CAN JUST COME OVER HERE AND BRING IT AND SET IT OUT BECAUSE EVERYBODY ELSE IS DOING IT TO BE TAKEN CARE OF.
SO I THINK YOU'VE GOT THAT MECHANISM AND THEN I THINK WE'VE GOTTA A CUSTOMER BASE TO CONTINUE
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TO, HEY, YOU GOTTA GET RID OF THAT.SO JUST BRING IT OVER HERE AND PUT IT OUT.
I'LL PUT IT OUT FOR YOU BECAUSE THE CITY'S PICKING IT UP.
WE'RE CHARGING FOR, BUT AGAIN, YOU END UP IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE PAYING MORE THAN WE'RE COLLECTING FOR THE ACTUAL ITEM.
IS THIS SOMETHING WE KICKING AROUND? DO SOMETHING IN TERMS OF THE DECISION ON THE GARBAGE? YES.
WELL, I MEAN IT'S UNDER CONSIDERATION IN THE BUDGET.
SO THE BUDGET DECISION GETS PAID IS WHAT WE END UP HAVING TO LIVE WITH.
SO RIGHT NOW WE RAISED OUR RATES TO 34.93 LAST YEAR.
UM, WHICH IS THE HIGHEST TRADE IN THE, IN THE REGION AT THIS POINT.
THE ACTUAL COST OF SERVICE THIS YEAR LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE CLOSER TO 39 80 4 CENTS PROVIDING ALL THE SERVICES WE PROVIDED.
AND WE CAN'T KEEP, I DON'T THINK SUSTAINABLE FOR US RAISING RATES AT THAT.
IT ABSOLUTELY IS NOT UNLESS YOU KEEP GOING LIKE OTHER AND THE BUDGET JUST GOES BY THE WAYSIDE WHEN WE RUN OVER IT.
WE DON'T HAVE TO DON'T WORK YOUR WAY AT MY HOUSE OR I CHECK WHAT DO WE DO WHEN WE RUN OUT OF MONEY IN OCTOBER? IT WAS OR NOVEMBER.
WHERE DID DECEMBER MONEY COME FROM? AND IF YOU DO THE MATH, I REALLY TO STAY QUIET.
WHERE DID, WHERE WHERE DOES THE PROPERTY OWNER ACCOUNTABILITY KEEP YOU? EXACTLY DIFFERENT? THE WORD ACCOUNTABILITY IN GENERAL.
SO IT WASN'T INTENDED SERVICE.
THE CITY WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND.
UH, I I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION ON THIS.
SO THE COMMERCIAL SIDE SHOULD BE BROKEN OUT IN THE REPORT, BUT ALL THAT GOES IN, WE, WE TIP THOSE DUMPSTERS.
I WAS JUST THINKING OF THE NUMBERS, NOT THE TRUCK AND OH, DUMP TRUCK.
IS IT TRASH AS WELL? WELL, OUR DUMPSTER TRASH GATES PUT INTO THE TRASH INSIDE.
BUT IT DOES, IT DOESN'T EXCLUDE STORM DEBRIS.
WE'LL STILL COLLECT THE STORM DEBRIS.
WE STORM SURFACE IF THERE'S A MAJOR EVENT LIKE EMERGENCY.
UM, AND ACTUALLY OUR STORM BREW GUYS ACTUALLY THEY PAID REAL CLOSE ATTENTION TO WHAT WE DO.
THEY ACTUALLY SAW THIS ON THE AGENDA AND SAW THE BUDGET DISCUSSION OFFERED UP THEIR SERVICES IF WE WANTED TO HAVE THEM COME IN AND DO A ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR CLEANUP FOR A FEE COURSE.
BUT WOULD RESIDENTS STILL BE ABLE TO GET A DUMPSTER, WHATEVER IT IS DELIVERED TO THEIR HOUSE THAT THEY COULD FILL UP FOR A FEE? UM, I'M WORRIED ABOUT PEOPLE THAT HAVE LIKE THE LIMBS AND STUFF THAT CANNOT TRANSPORT IT THAT TO HAVE NO WAY TRANSPORT IT.
SO TO A EDGE THE ROAD FOR SIX MONTHS.
SO, SO I, I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN BOTTLE SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THERE, BUT I, I HAVEN'T MODELED A ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE BIG, I JUST REMEMBER THAT WHEN I WAS THINKING I WAS GONNA BE CLEANING A BUNCH OF STUFF OUT, LIKE THIS WOULD BE WAY MORE THAN THE CITY ALLOWS FOR HEAVY PICKUP.
AND SO I THOUGHT WELL MAYBE I COULD JUST GET, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CITY WOULD HAVE BROUGHT, SO, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING THEY WERE GONNA BRING.
PUT IT IN MY DRIVEWAY, I CAN FILL IT UP AND THEN, BUT THERE WAS A PRICE THAT THIS BIG, IT'S A HUNDRED BUCKS.
IT'S THIS BIG, IT'S 150 BUCKS, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS.
SO THERE ARE PRIVATE PROVIDERS YOU CAN DO THAT WITH AND VARIOUS RETAILERS.
UM, I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE PLAN, THIS ENTIRE SYSTEM WAS BASED ON CONVERSIONS TO A NINE FIVE GALLON CART THAT HOLDS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TRASH FOR THE COLLECTION.
UM, AND I, I DON'T WANT SAY, HEY, PUT IT IN THE CART, BUT PUT IT IN THE CART ALSO COME TO AN ACCOMMODATION WITH US.
I YOU COULD MODEL SOMETHING TOGETHER THAT MIGHT PROVIDE A BOX, BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT MODEL INTO THIS PROJECT.
I, I'VE RENTED A BOX WHEN I TRIMMED ONE OF ONE OF MY TREES AND IT WENT FROM JUST CUTTING IT OR PICKING IT UP AND PUT IT IN THE BOX.
I KNOW THERE'S A SERVICE THAT LIKE DEPOT OFFERS.
I KNOW THOSE HAVE A SIMILAR PRODUCT, BUT THIS IS FROM THE CITY, FROM THE CITY USED TO, COULD RUN A TRUCK FROM THE CITY BECAUSE THEY'D BRING YOU OLD TRASH TRUCKS.
YOU PUT EVERYTHING IN THAT TAKE THE DUMP PRICE TO PUT THAT PROBABLY SCARE YOU.
I I BUT I MEAN THIS WAS 30 YEARS AGO.
THAT'S WHY WE GOTTA TELL THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.
THEY USED, THEY USED TO BRING THE BLACKED DUMP TRUCK TO YOUR HOUSE,
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RIGHT, THE ROOF OFF.PUT IT INTO THE DUMP TRUCK AND PLANT THE HAUL OFF.
UH, I MEAN WE HAVE THE ROLLING STOCK AND THE STAFF, I MEAN, IN THEORY WE COULD OFFER A RENTAL PROGRAM LIKE THAT, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE COST HOW LONG OUT? THAT'S AT SOME POINT WE'RE ALL, IF WE'RE ALL GONNA MITIGATE THIS LOSS AND WE ALL LOVE THE CITY OF FLU AND WANT TO KEEP PAYING BILLS, THERE'S THERE, THERE'S JUST THE COST FOR DOING BUSINESS.
AND I WOULD, I I I'M STRUGGLING WITH THIS BUDGET A LOT.
KEEP GOING DOWN HERE, SEEING OUTTA THE LIFE.
I KEEP GETTING MORE QUESTIONS.
WHAT IF, WHAT IF AND IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN OPENING YOUR CHECKBOOK AT HOME AND YOU'RE MISSING 30% OF YOUR, UH, BALANCE WHAT I DO.
THAT'S JUST A REAL, THAT'S A REALIZATION ON, ON A LOT LARGER SCALE OF COURSE.
I DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER.
THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL OF US TALK ABOUT IT, BUT AT SOMEWHERE THAT WE HAVE TO MITIGATE OUR LOSS AND THAT'S JUST OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
THE REALITY IS, IS UNDER THE
IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AND GETS A PERMIT TO HAVE A ROOF DONE, YOU KNOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SHINGLES.
THEY PUT IT IN THERE, WHATEVER.
WELL, IS THERE A WAY OF SAYING, UH, WE NEED TO SEE A RECEIPT OF WHERE YOU TOOK IT? NO, I DON'T TO GET RID OF IT.
TYPICALLY
YOU DON'T WANT, I I THINK IT'S INCUMBENT ON, ON A PROPERTY OWNER.
I THINK HIRE LEGAL CONTRACT THAT'S GONNA TAKE CARE THAT THEY GENERATE.
IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THE STANDARD REMOVAL QUOTE, IT'S GONNA INCLUDE REMOVAL.
AND YET WE'LL HAVE FREE SERVICES COME TAKE THE TREE DOWN AND JUST LAY BECAUSE THEY, WE'LL COME PICK IT UP.
CHARGE AND BASICALLY THE, EVEN EVEN WHEN WE HAVE THE HURRICANE INSTRUCTED FOR OUT CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS GOES IN ONE PILE.
AND I GUARANTEE YOU, IF YOU DRIVE DOWN THE STREET, NINE OUTTA 10 PILE AND THE KEY TO THAT IS YOU CAN CONSTRUCTION AND CHIPPER.
THAT'S WAY'S NEXT IT'S ALL TRACK VERSUS COULD BE A ABOUT YOU, YOU KNOW, DO.
BUT IF THE CITY GIVES INSTRUCTION, CAN'T PUT IT IN.
IF THEY GIVE YOU PERMISSION TO BURN IT OR CHIP IT OR WHATEVER, IF IT'S BIG, YOU CAN'T RUN IT IN THE BURN BOTTLE.
YOU CAN'T RUN IT IN THE CHIPPER BOTTLE.
BUT IF THE CITY GIVES INSTRUCTIONS, HEY, YOU GOTTA SEPARATE 'EM.
AND THEY, AND IT GETS MIXED UP THEN, THEN CAN THE CODE ENFORCEMENT SAY, HEY, IF YOU WANT THIS PICKED UP, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SEPARATE IT.
WE WILL GLADLY COME AND PICK IT UP FOR YOU THAT THAT WAY THE LABOR'S ON THEM TO CORRECT IT AND NOT US.
WELL THE PROBLEM IS WE CAN'T, WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE KEEPING UP WITH WHAT WE GOT.
AND NOW YOU, THAT'S AGAIN, ANOTHER LAYER OF ENFORCEMENT AND ADMINISTRATIVE INTRUSIVENESS THAT I DON'T THINK IS SUSTAINABLE EITHER BECAUSE THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
WELL WHAT I, WHAT I SEE AND, AND PLEASE DON'T TAKE ME WRONG, IS, UH, MAYBE WE NEED TO HELP ENFORCEMENT OUT AND GET MORE OR TAKE SOME OF THE LOAD OFF OF THEM OR NEIGHBORS SHOULD DO A LOT OF POLICE INSTEAD OF GOING BECAUSE THE ROOM KNOW THE NEIGHBOR.
HEY, NOT, NOT MY TRASH, NOT MY PROBLEM.
YEAH, BECAUSE IT IT, IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYTHING WE'VE BEEN SAYING IS IN COVID ENFORCEMENT THEY CAN'T BE EVERYWHERE AND THEY EXACTLY.
THAT'S WHAT, IF YOU SEE SOMEBODY DUMP AND YOU GET THE LICENSE PLATE OFF THAT VEHICLE, I'D GLADLY DO IT.
BUT I DON'T GO DOWN THOSE ROADS.
IT IS ON SIDE, IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF PROBABLY FOUR.
I LIVE ON THAT SIDE OF THE HANG OUT OVER ON MY STREET
BUT I DO, I DO LIKE THE QUESTION OF, OF FAIRNESS.
YOU'RE GETTING A ROOFING PERMIT WITH A BARN.
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YOU KNOW, HOW ARE YOU TAKING CARE OF DEBRIS ROOFER TALL OFF OR I'M GOING DO IT MYSELF.UH, IT WOULD BE MAYBE AN INCENTIVE TO GO BECAUSE I DON'T, IF YOU GET STREET CUT DOWN, IT'S CHEAPER IF THEY DON'T HAUL OFF THE DRUGS.
AND AT THIS POINT, WELL HEY SEE FIX IT UP ANYWAY, SO I'LL SAVE THAT 500.
WHEREAS WE DON, IF YOU DON'T PICK IT UP ANYMORE, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO EITHER MAKE THE ARRANGEMENTS OR YOU KNOW, TRY TO PARK THEIR DEAL.
IT'LL PUSH THAT LIABILITY OR PROJECTED A LIABILITY BACK HAVING THAT FORM.
YOUR MATERIALS TELL US WHAT YOU QUESTION'S A FAIR NO, I THINK WE CAN DEFINITELY PERMIT PROCESS.
PERMIT ACTUALLY GO OUT AND YEAH, OF COURSE ONE.
I KNOW, BUT AT LEAST SET THE TIME.
BUT THEN AGAIN, ENFORCEMENT WE ARE, I MEAN IT SOUNDS LIKE A WEAK LINK SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
IT'S ALL ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY AND HOW DO YOU THAT YEAH.
IN TODAY'S WORLD, THAT'S A TOUGH THING TO DO.
THERE WAS ALREADY STUFF BACK PILE BEFORE THEY HAD TO BE MADE TO STREETS.
CAMERAS START CHARGING US FOR IT.
I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S A SIMPLE WAY OF, IF THEY'RE GONNA COME TO JEFF'S HOUSE AND CUT THE TREE DOWN AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY 'EM $500 A PILE 'EM OUT THERE, YOU CHARGE THE CITY CHARGES US $500, COME GET THE PILE.
I MEAN, I MEAN I KNOW I'VE SEEN A LOT OF TREES AND I'VE TALKED ABOUT PILES IN THE PAST THAT HEY, WHY DON'T Y'ALL PICK THAT UP? 'CAUSE IT'S A PAYPAL.
OKAY, WELL WHO CARES IF IT'S A PAYPAL, GO PICK THE TRASH UP AND BUILD IT, FIGURE OUT HOW TO BUILD 'EM.
BUT PAY, THAT GETS INTO THE QUESTION OF THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.
IT MAY BE YEARS, MONTHS, DECADES BEFORE WE GET REPAID.
AND IF YOU STICK, WE CONTINUE TO STICK TO ON WITH THE BILL.
BUT THE REALITY IS A LOT HOMES ARE DOING THIS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT.
DON'T WANNA PAY FOR IT FOR OR DISAVOW HOUSE.
I MEAN THAT'S LIKE STATION THREE OVER HERE.
IT GOT A WHOLE TREE IN FRONT OF IT AND THERE AIN'T NO TREES CUT IN FRONT OF FIRE STATION.
AND THAT'S THE ILLEGAL WEAPON.
THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA, THAT'S, I MEAN, FILED.
SO WHOEVER DONE IT, DONE A GOOD JOB, BUT THEY, IT'S NOT GONNA GO AWAY OVERNIGHT.
BUT AS, AS LONG AS WE CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THIS HEAVY SERVICE, THERE'S A SCREEN FOR FOLKS TO COME AND BRING THEIR DEBRIS HEAVY.
AND HERE'S THE THING, HERE'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE FACE.
EVERY TIME THAT WE HAVE A HEAVY FORECAST, THE RAIN PEOPLE THAT WENT OUT, YOU KNOW, STILL HAS A LOT OF OPEN CONDITIONS.
NOT EVERY STREET, NOT EVERY STREET HAS A
AND IN EVIDENTLY WHEN PEOPLE PILE THEIR TRASH OUT AND PILE IT INTO THE DITCH, THEY DON'T PILE IT ON THE SHOULDER OR ON THE DRIVEWAY.
SO THEN YOU GOT A CLO WHEN IT RAIN AND THEY CALL, HEY, WE'RE PLUGGING OVER HERE.
WELL I WONDER WHY WE HOUSES DOWN.
THEN IT FALLS BACK ON CODE ENFORCEMENT,
NO, IT FALLS IT FALLS BACK ON JOHN.
THEY DO, THEY DO THEY, SORRY JOHN, IT IS NOT FINALIZE.
SO IF SOMEBODY GOT SOME SUGGESTION, I'M SURE WE'LL, WE SURE WILL TAKE IT.
WELL I, ALL I SEE IS A VICIOUS CIRCLE THAT THERE'S NO END TO IT.
WELL, I, I WENT INTO THIS ONE AND CJ BE ADAMANT THAT WE WEREN'T THE SERVICES THAT WE FOR FOR A HUGE PLACE, YOU KNOW, AND THE MORE WE DUG INTO IT, WE COULDN'T SEE ANY WAY OUTTA IT.
WELL IT, IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME WE USED TO BE FINE.
I, I MEAN I'VE BEEN HERE 24, 25 YEARS WHEN I MOVED TO CLUE AND WE WERE FINE.
AND, AND JUST IN THE LAST, NOW I UNDERSTAND THE PRICE OF STUFF GOES UP, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE, DO WE HAVE OUTSIDE PEOPLE THAT FROM OTHER CITIES AND ALL OR WHATEVER, UH, JUST DUMPING ALL THEIR STUFF.
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I REALIZE WE HAVE SOME, BUT IS IS THE NUMBER REALLY FREEZING? IT'S BIGGER PROBLEM, BIGGER PROBLEM THAN WARD A DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE ADDRESSES WHERE IT'S VERY COMMON THAT IT HAPPENS STREET? NO, I MEAN SERIOUSLY, CHERRY STREET.WELL I, LIKE I SAY, I DON'T GO THERE, BUT HELL, I'D BE WILLING, EXCUSE ME, I, I'D BE WILLING TO DRIVE AROUND AND AND SEE IF I SEE SOME STRANGER DUMPING WHERE YOU GUYS, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE IT.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE IT.
MOTHER DONE WHEN WE WERE ASLEEP.
WHEN YOU GO HOME THAT AFTERNOON, THERE'S NOTHING THERE WHEN YOU COME BACK THE NEXT MORNING.
BUT JUST AN ATTEMPT IF YOU STOP ONE AND WORK IT OUT, YEAH, IT SPREADS LIKE CANCER ONCE AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO NEIGHBOR.
IT'S ALL WHAT IS THAT IS RIGHT NOW, AS BAD AS IT IS SOCIETY AND OTHER THINGS, IT'S LESS WHAT MY BUSINESS.
YEAH, WELL IT'S EVERYBODY NOWADAYS YOU GETTING SHOT HERE, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE BA WE BUDGETED $34.
$5 HAS TO COME OUT PIECE TAXES.
NOT, IT DOESN'T COME OUT THE FEE.
IT COMES OUT OUT THE MONEY THAT YOU BE GOING STREETS, DRAINING ROADS, YEAH, WHATEVER.
AND THEN IT IS $5 PER YEAH, HER, HER CABINET.
NOT JUST, I SUPPOSED SAY IT COST, WE GOT 34 CHARGES.
BUT YOU PROBABLY DIDN'T SEE MATTRESSES YEARS AGO.
NOW DROP BLOCK RANGE, NO USE OF MATTRESS.
10-YEAR-OLD, THEY BUY 'EM BOX AND ONCE BLOW UP FOR SIX MONTHS TO IT OUT FRONT.
IT USED TO BE A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT.
ANYWAY, HERE WE ARE, WE GLADLY TAKE SUGGESTIONS UP OVER AND EVERYBODY'S GOT A COMMENT ON THE STREET CORNER, BUT IT SURE WOULD BE NICE TO HEAR IN HERE.
YEAH, EVERYBODY THAT EXAGGERATION, SOME PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT IN THE STREET CORNER.
WELL ALSO, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE AN AUTOMATIC AUTOMATIC IT BE, IT'D BE PHASED OUT.
WE GOTTA DO A, A REAL GOOD JOB COMMUNICATE THIS THROUGH, THROUGH THE SOCIAL MEDIA.
WE CAN LET FOLKS UNDERSTAND AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S EDUCATED ON WHAT CAN AND CAN AND WHAT THE PROCESS WILL BE.
BECAUSE IT'S A RADICAL CHANGE SOMETIMES BETWEEN THE, WE GO THE MANUAL MOTORS WE GOT, WE'RE GOING HAVE TO HAUL A WHOLE BUNCH OF TRASHCANS
WELL THERE ARE, WE RECENTLY, UH, A FEW AGO WE GOT 600 OF THEM IN UNITED SIX COUNTY TOTAL.
WE'VE GOT PROBABLY ROUGHLY ABOUT 380, ALMOST FOUR.
UH, THE TOWS ARE ONE THING, UH, THE AMOUNT OF TRASH THEY PUT IN THOSE TOES IS ANOTHER, THE CHIPPERS GOING ON ON BACK OF TRUCK CAN ONLY HANDLE SO MUCH WEIGHT.
OTHERWISE YOU START BLOWING HOSE OUT ON THE CHIPPER WE HAD ON THE TRUCK THAT BLEW OUT BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE COLLECTING SINK THAT LIKE TO PUT ANYTHING ON WANT IN THERE.
WE HAVE THEM GET OUT THEIR FREEZERS, THEIR CABINETS AND, AND PULLING A NICE OUT TOTE OUT THERE AND TOTALLY PULL THE TOP.
WELL IT PULL CONCRETE SO IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR THESE TRUCKS TO PICK THEM UP.
OTHER CITIES, THEY LOOK, THEY, THEY DON'T TAKE THE TOES OR THEY DON'T MAKE THE CANS WHEN PUT IT OUT.
IN OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE, THERE'S A 50 GALLON, 50 POUND LIMIT THAT WE HAVE SET THAT WE CAN PICK UP BECAUSE IT GETS TO A POINT WHERE IT'S UNSAFE, BUT THE DRIVER CAN PICK IT UP, PUT ON THE BACK.
GOING TO THE, THE, THE AUTOMATED AS YOU WERE MENTIONING IS WHAT A LOT OF CITIES DO IN CERTAIN AREAS THAT OUTSOURCE IT.
UH, IT'S NOT SAYING THAT THE CITY CAN'T DO THAT THEMSELVES.
UH, THE OTHER ISSUE WITH THAT IS, LIKE WE MENTIONED EARLIER, DID IN STREETS TOTAL UH, UH, AUTOMATED TRUCK IS GONNA HAVE TO GO DOWN THE STREET TWICE, NO MATTER WHERE YOU GO.
THEY'RE GONNA GO DOWN ONE SIDE AND IT PICK UP FROM THE PASSENGER SIDE.
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TO COME BACK DOWN THE OTHER SIDE TO PICK UP THE OTHER WAY.ON DEAD END STREETS, THAT MEANS IT'S GONNA HAVE TO GO DOWN THE ROAD TWICE.
IT'S GONNA GO DOWN, BACK OUT, TURN AROUND, BACK DOWN, PULL OUT.
SO IT'S GONNA MAKE IT A CHALLENGING PROCESS TO DO THAT.
IT, IT'S NOT A MATTER OF IF SOMETHING'S GONNA HAPPEN, IT WILL HAPPEN.
THERE WILL BE BACKING ACCIDENTS OR SUCH LIKE THAT.
AND THAT'S WHY JOHN, WE WANNA TALK ABOUT THE 39, THE THE 39 STREETS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THIS.
THE TOTAL DISTANCE OF BACKING THAT THEY WOULD'VE TO DO IF THEY PICKED UP ONCE A WEEK, ABOUT 8.67 MILES IN ONE WEEK.
THAT'S DOWN, TAKING DOWN ALL THE STREETS THAT ARE 39 STREETS THAT ARE INCLUDED.
A SOLUTION TO THAT IS, IS TO, ONE THING WOULD BE AUTOMATED.
IF YOU WENT TO A ONE ONCE A WEEK PICK UP, THEN YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU COULD PICK 'EM UP, TAKE THEM RIGHT NOW, RUN IT LIKE A BRUSH CREW RUNS.
IT WOULD, IT WOULD DOWNSIZE THE AMOUNT OF AREA THAT THEY WOULD'VE TO PICK UP, WHICH WOULD ALLOW 'EM TO DO THAT.
BUT ALSO IN THE EVENT, IF SOMETHING WAS TO HAPPEN TO THAT SIDE LEVEL PICKUP, IF WE WOULD MAINTAIN THE REAR ROVER WITH THE TIPPERS ON IT SO THEY COULD FILL IN FOR THAT DAY.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW, IF THE TRUCK GOES DOWN, WE HAVE TO PULL IT RIGHT TOGETHER TO GO DOWN AND MAKE UP THE FINISHES ZONE FOR THAT DAY WHEN WE DO IT TWICE A WEEK RIGHT NOW.
SO IF YOU DOWNSIZE THE ZONE AND THEY WOULD'VE LESS TO PICK UP.
IF SOMETHING WAS TO HAPPEN, THE REAR LOADER COULD GO OUT.
WE COULD THROW TWO GUYS ON THE BACK OF THAT REAR LOADER AND FINISH OUT THAT ZONE TO THEN THE, UH, AUTOMATED REPAIR OR ANOTHER'S BROUGHT IN FOR IT.
UH, IN ADDITION TO THE DEAD END STREETS, IF YOU KEPT THAT REAR LOADER, THEN THAT REAR LOADER COULD ACTUALLY HANDLE ALL THE DEAD END STREETS, WHICH IS ABOUT 405 CUSTOMERS OWN THOSE 39 DEAD END STREETS.
THAT'S ABOUT 15% OF THE AMOUNT CUSTOMERS THAT YOU HAVE THAT YOU'RE PICKING UP TRASH FOR.
SO THAT REAR LOAD TRUCK WITH TWO PEOPLE ON THE BACK OF IT COULD HANDLE THOSE, THOSE AREAS IN ONE THEY PICK OF, YOU COULD USE A WHI TO PICK UP THAT AREA WITH THE REAR LOAD TRUCK THAT THE AUTOMATED COULD FOCUS ON THOSE OTHER FOUR DAYS WITH THE AREAS WHERE THEY COULD PICK THEM UP THERE.
THE TOTE STILL, UH, PEOPLE FILL 'EM UP.
BUT THE IDEAL THING IS WITH THE TOTE, IF YOU DO THAT WITH AN AUTOMATED, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL THEY'RE GONNA PICK UP.
IF THEY START PULLING TRASH OUT BESIDE IT, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO PICK IT UP.
BUT THERE'S YOUR ENFORCEMENT ISSUE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO ENFORCE THAT AND EVERYBODY'S NOT TO UNDERSTAND IT.
I CANNOT PUT EXTRA STUFF OUT THERE, OR THERE'S GONNA BE A CHARGE ORDER.
NOW, UH, THE, I SAID IF YOU DON'T GO WITH THE TOAST, THEN THE BAG WILL BE AN OPTION.
BUT THEN AGAIN, HOW MANY BAGS ARE WE PUT OUT THERE? YOU MENTIONED THAT PEOPLE JUST STOLE EVERYTHING OUT THERE AND YOU HAVE STUFF EVERYWHERE.
UH, THERE'S CERTAIN AREAS THAT ARE REAL BAD ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T, I MEAN, MAYBE I MIGHT PUT OUT TWO BAGS OF TRASH A WEEK.
THERE ARE OTHERS THAT MAY PUT SIX OR SEVEN BAGS OF TRASH DOWN A WEEK.
HOW THEY DO THAT? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A LOT OF TRASH PUT OUT OR DOES IT COME FROM OTHER AREAS? THE, UH, WITH THE BRUSH YOU WERE TALKING A MINUTE AGO, UM, THEY'RE GONNA FIND SOME PLACE TO PUT IT.
PEOPLE WILL REMODEL THE HOUSE.
IF THEY DON'T PUT IT IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE, THEY'LL PUT IT IN FRONT THE VACANT LOT.
AND THEN, BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL SEE THAT TRASH ON VACANT LOT, SOMEBODY WILL LAND WILL COME OVER THERE AND PILE IN ON THAT LOT.
SO BY TIME YOU GET READY TO PICK IT UP, IT'S NOT JUST REMODEL MATERIALS, IT'S TREELINES.
SO WHAT WE DO RIGHT NOW IS IF WE GO IN THERE AND WE ARE MAKING OUR ROUNDS, THE BRUSH CREW, AND IF THEY FIND A SIZE LOW THAT'S OVERSIZED LOW, THEY WILL TAG THAT POP.
AND RIGHT NOW WE ARE GIVING 'EM ABOUT A WEEK TO PAY IT.
IF THEY DON'T PAY IT, THEN WE, WE PUT IT ON THEIR BILL AND THEN WE PICK IT UP THAT WAY WE GET, WE COLLECTED THAT, THAT THAT PO OUT.
UM, THE QUESTION IS HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU GO ABOUT PRICING THAT PO WE, WE LOOK AT TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.
COMPRESSED TRASH SHOULD, IF CONSIDER THE FACT THAT ONCE YOU COMPRESS THAT TRUCK, IT MAY LOOK BIG, BUT IT'S GONNA COMPRESS DOWN TO SIZE.
SO ALL THOSE THINGS HAVE TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE'RE GOING AROUND PICKING UP THE EVERY BRUSH.
UM, BUT THEY WILL, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S SEVERAL OPTIONS OUT THERE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, YOU'RE TRYING TO CONSIDER.
UM, THESE GUYS TRY TO WORK THEIR BEST TO GET EVERYTHING PICKED UP THAT'S PUT OUT THERE.
WHEN WE HAVE TRUCKS THAT BREAK DOWN, UH, IT'S, WE'RE GONNA PULL EVERYBODY TOGETHER.
WE'RE GET THIS ALL FINISHED THAT DAY.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS IT'S THE VEHICLES.
IT'S WEAR AND TEAR ON THE VEHICLES.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT RUNNING TRUCK THAT MANY TIMES A WEEK, THE LOADS TRASH, WHAT THEY PICK UP, THE STUFF THAT THEY PICK UP, IT'S, IT'S TEAR THE TRUCKS.
SO RED LEASING 'EM RIVER DIRECTION GO.
WE'RE GONNA DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO GET
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THE TRASH PICKED UP IF WEUH, THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS OUT THERE, BUT, UM, LIKE YOU SAID, IT, IT'S A MATTER OF WHAT YOU WANT, UH, HOW YOU GO WITH IT.
SO IS THE 95 THE ONLY AUTOMATED? NO, YOU CAN, YOU CAN, YOU CAN DOWN NINE FIVE IS THE LARGEST, THE AUTOMATED SYSTEM TO RUN, I MEAN OUTSIDE THE THREE YARD REAR FOUR, THE NINE FIVE, I MEAN IT'S VERY, TO MAKE IT WAY 160 POUNDS, IT'S THE NICEST.
AND, AND IF ARMS AREN'T THAT STRONG ON THE DRUG, WELL IT IS THE TIP ON THE BACK OF THAT WHERE DESIGNED TO PICK IT UP AND DUMP IT UP.
AND THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO PUT RESIDENTIAL TRASH IN THERE.
THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO OVERLOAD THE THINGS THAT ARE, THAT THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE PUTTING IN, BUT THEY WILL DO IT.
NOW YOU HAVE SOME AREAS LIKE SAN ANTONIO, WE, WE NO LONGER RECYCLE, BUT YOU'LL HAVE PLACES LIKE THAT THAT WILL HAVE THREE TO EACH HOUSE HAS THREE TOKEN INSIDE YOUR HOUSE OF LIVING GROUND GREEN AND ONE FOR RECYCLE, ONE FOR BROKE.
YOU KNOW THAT THEY WILL ONLY PICK IT UP A CERTAIN TIME AND IF YOU PUT STUFF OUT, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO PUT IT OUT, THEY'RE GONNA FIND YOU.
SOME, IN SOME CASES, I WANT DATE.
SO YOU SET SOME GUIDELINES LIKE THAT, OR YOU SET SOME TYPE OF GUIDELINE ON A FINE AND HOLD 'EM TO IT.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA PUT IT OUT THERE UNLESS THEY HAVE, UH, IF THEY KNOW YOU'RE GONNA GET UP OR YOU GONNA CANCEL IT TO BE PICKED UP.
HEY, I'M GONNA PUT THIS MUCH OUT HERE.
WE CAN NOT PUT IT OUT THAT YOU PICKED UP AND, AND DID IT SCHEDULED.
BUT OTHERWISE, LIKE, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, LIKE THE MAYOR MENTIONED, WE NO LONGER GET OFF THE STREET AND LOOK BACK AND THEY'RE PUTTING MORE STUFF OUT.
AND IF THOSE ARE PUT OUT OUTSIDE OF THE ZONE, THEN WE NATURALLY WE'RE SUPPOSED TO CHARGE 'EM FOR, BUT WE HAD, WE HAD TO REDUCE IT DOWN TO, WE WERE GONNA PASS DOWN THE STREET ONE TIME BECAUSE IN ORDER FOR US TO GET THE ZONE FINISH IN, IN THE TIMEFRAME THAT WE HAVE TO GET IT FINISHED, WE CAN'T BE GOING UP ON THE STREET TWO OR THREE TIMES BECAUSE THEY COME OUT BEHIND US AND PICK IT UP.
BUT THERE IS A LOT OF STUFF THAT, THAT THAT'S OUT THERE.
AND I DON'T THINK IT'S ALL FROM THE SAME HOUSEHOLD.
I THINK IT COMES IN FROM OTHER AREAS.
IN SOME CASES, LARGE REMODEL MATERIAL, PEOPLE ARE DOING WORK AND THEY'RE DUMP HERE BECAUSE THEY KNOW, WE'LL PICK IT UP WHEN YOU FOLLOWED YOUR BATHROOM AND PUT IT IN THAT, PUT IT IN THAT, IN THAT 95, WE'RE GONNA BREAK THE TRUCK, IT'S GONNA TEAR UP SOMETHING.
AND I, AND I WOULD SAY, SO THERE ARE SYSTEMS YOU CAN ATTACH TO, TYPICALLY SPEAKING AN RFID TAG ON THE, ON THE CART THAT'S RED IN ITS TIP.
THAT'S HOW MOST SERVICE MANAGE IT.
SO IF YOU END UP WITH AN ERROR, A LOW BEAR, IT'S GONNA TAG THAT HOUSE AND YOU NOT PICK IT UP.
SO YOU CAN MAKE, YOU CAN AUTOMATE THE SYSTEM DOOR.
YOU OTHER QUESTION, YOU ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YOU THERE A SMALL TO A 60, BUT I THINK YOU'RE SELF-DEFEATING IF THAT'S WHERE YOU WANT GO.
WHY YOU'RE GONNA THE LAUNDRY BECAUSE YOU'RE PICKING IT UP LEFT.
UH, BUT THEN THERE'S A REALIZATION OF PEOPLE OVERLOADING IT, TEARING UP THE EQUIPMENT.
SO WHERE THAT HACK IS, AND WE HAVE REFUSED TO PICK UP SOMETHING IN SOME CASES.
WE'VE HAD SOME HERE RECENTLY WHERE THEY HAD CONCRETE OPEN AND THE DRIVER WILL CALL IN AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE OUT GONNA FIX THIS UP BECAUSE IT'S GOT CONCRETE.
WE, IT'S TOO HEAVY TO PICK UP.
UH, WE'VE HAD ONE HERE JUST THE OTHER DAY THAT, UH, A COURTESY, THEY WENT OUT THERE.
WE HAD FOUR GUYS TO GO DOWN INTO THE BACK OF THE TRUCK BECAUSE IT WAS, THEY EMPTIED OUT THE FREEZER AND THEIR, THEIR UH, CABINET STUFF AND PUT OUT THERE.
AND WE ACTUALLY HAD FOUR GUYS THAT CAME INTO THE BACK OF THE TRUCK.
COULD, THAT TRUCK DIDN'T HAVE A TIP.
MR. BEN POINTED OUT ON SOME OF THE TRUCKS, DEPENDING ON THE MODEL, THE VEHICLE HAVE A SELF RESTRICTION OR IF ITS A WHITE TOO, IT'S NOT GONNA YEAH, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A PRESSURE LIMIT OR SOMETHING.
I JUST, UH, I SAID THIS IS THE MOTION.
THE ONLY SUBJECT THAN THIS ONE IS PEOPLE THAT PASSED PETS, VILLE CITY HALL UP.
TALK ABOUT DOING, PUTTING MORE RULES ON YOUR PATH, TALK ABOUT MESSING WITH THEIR TRAFFIC.
IT'S NOT, NOT JUST WHAT IS A THROW AWAY SOCIETY, SIR.
IT'S A THROW AWAY SOCIETY THAT WE LIVE IN.
YOU DON'T FIX ANYTHING ANYMORE.
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I CAN IMAGINE CARDBOARD, AMAZON, YEAH.I KNOW THEY GET DIFFICULT, MORE DIFFICULTY EVERY YEAR.
I DON'T SEE IT GETTING BETTER.
LET ASK YOU, SURROUND THE TOWN WELL.
SO LAKE JACKSON INCLUDED THE ONLY TWO CITIES IN THIS AREA.
SO THE REASON THAT WE LOOK AT THE PRIVATE MARKET, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE EVERYBODY ELSE IS IN TEXAS NOW.
THE HOUSTON REGION, THE CITY OF HOUSTON, THE CITY OF
WHAT ARE ALL OF THEM VEHICLES THEY PREFER, THEY JUST NOT HAVE.
UH, IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TRASH PROVIDER IN THE CITY.
SOME DO A PICKUP, SOME DO A ONCE A MONTH OR ONCE TWICE A YEAR.
UM, IT REALLY VARIES BY THE CONTRACT.
SO IN THE RESPONSES THAT WE GOT THERE, PROVISIONS FOR HEAVY TRASH PICKUP THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE OUTSOURCE.
UH, I TRIED TO BOTTOM A PORTION THAT COST, BUT ONCE I TYPICALLY GET WHAT IT WAS GOING TO COST TO ACTUALLY TAKE DONE HERE, IT'S COST PROHIBIT RIGHT BACK IN THE SAME BOAT AND THEN THEY SHIP IT DOWN HERE.
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